[plug] the debate round 3

[alex polglaze]

Michael Hunt wrote:
> 
> I thought this was a PLUG (Perth Linux User Group) mailing list.
> 
> Wasn't the original point about hardware and overclocking ?
> 
> I can certainly see how valid discussion on operating systems can be useful
> to a group like this, but it seems to me you have lost the point "Bill G.
> Gruff" if you that (to quote)
> 
> > Have you ever thought that maybe it's us windows users
> > who are getting Real Work Done that are superior to you.
> 
> Tell me do you think that the system admins at Networx are not doing any
> "Real Work" even though they support and provide you with Internet services.
> And not just you but many other customers with solutions that are not all
> based around "Bill's OS of choice" ? Are not NASA, Cisco the US Post office,
> Universities, Research institutions, the military, etc etc etc etc using
> Unix based solutions for doing "Real Work" ? Next time you go to a hospital
> with a serious injury, ask them if they are using a windows based solution.
> I think you'll find that you'll have to check out as these people aren't
> doing any "real work" according to your definition.
> 
> > I can do very complex things in windows. You can do almost anything with
> > Visual Basic, and you don't even have to know anything about programming.
> 
> Two things about VB One its is Visual (i.e. has a graphical front end) and
> two it is Basic (easy). MS want it that way so that you relied more heavily
> on paying them money for there solutions. I can write complex things in
> Perl, C, sed, AWK, Java etc and using some utilities and other people's code
> I can get by with out knowing anything about programming, but that doesn't:
> 
> 1. Make me a programmer
> 2. Make my programs any good.
> 
> You seem to me to be a donkey that has been lead up the garden path by the
> MS carrot dangling from a stick and now you want to be the one who tries and
> leads other up the same path.  Then you go onto say about the uptime of
> Linux boxes in comparison to Windows NT
> 
> > That's nothing. I've had an NT box that ran 12 hours a day for 3 months
> > without crashing.
> 
> Don't you realise there are 24 hours in a day ? Some of us administer boxes
> that are mission critical and have to be up 24 hrs a day. Even a reboot can
> cost big bucks because we have brought the box done and production time has
> been lost.
> 
> All I can suggest is that you are living in a world where you have a clouded
> judgement that has all been brought about by looking at a MS background for
> to long.
> 
> Please go back there and let us get some real work helping people done.

touche

well said

Alex