I issued netstat -M and it show that there is an listing with msgr-ns4.hotmail.com on this tcp 1:44.83 jlmiller msgr-ns4.hotmail.com 1231 -> 1863 (63124) any idea what this connection is for as I do have MSN turned off. Thanks Jon L. Miller Novell MCNE Compaq ASE MMT Networks Pty Ltd jlmiller at mmtnetworks.com.au