console hang, was RE: [plug] reiserfs

[Dennis Plester]

<group hug> Ahhh... That's better. No harm done. All I was saying was that
there are some who find this list a bit blunt at times, and not as helpful
as one might have hoped for. I'm certainly not running home (or trimming my
replies :-p). It's going to take a lot more than that...

There is no conspiracy here. Maybe the others just don't want to get chopped
down in public like I just was. 

Apart from the odd cup of coffee and my home brew beer (which is very
refreshing this time of year), I'm not on anything to speak of. "hic" ;-)

Back to business... This is the last I'm saying on the subject. By the way
Mike, if I don't correspond with you before, Merry Christmas and a very
happy and prosperous New Year, and I mean that sincerely.

Dennis.


	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Mike Holland [SMTP:myk at golden.wattle.id.au]
	Sent:	Friday, 8 December 2000 10:19
	To:	'plug at plug.linux.org.au'
	Cc:	Dennis Plester
	Subject:	RE: console hang, was RE: [plug] reiserfs

	On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Dennis Plester wrote:

	> Maybe Mike should have rephrased his email a little differently.
Rather than
	> saying, "you are stuck in the windoze mentality", he could have
said, "have
	> you tried <insert useful tip here>? You might not need to reboot
your PC
	> like you are probably used to in Windows.", rather than a blunt,
easily
	> misinterpreted response.

	Wow! Ouch! Who is the one taking it too seriously? Not me, honest.

	Isnt it amazing how much some people can read from a two-line post?
I
	thought it did manage to contain a useful tip for those coming to
Linux
	from Windows - "get out of the habit of rebooting". As Christian
expanded,
	its unnecessay, and often doesnt help.

	 It can be very counter-productive on a list like this if people
choose to
	take offense too easily.

	> Perhaps I read too much into the tone of his email, but if that's
the case,

	Tone? What tone? Just the facts sir. This is a low-bandwidth medium
:)

	> I'm not the only one. I've had something like 10 emails sent to me
off list
	> over night from others, suggesting that Mike's response was
probably not
	> appropriate.

	I could only guess as to why they replied off-line rather than
	contributing to the forum. Sounds very conspiratorial.

	> Some of my friends who are dyed in the wool Windows sufferers
	> have stayed away from Linux because of a perceived arrogance from
Linux

	 I give up. I really wish you good luck, and I'd like to help,
	but this whinging is getting too much. Sorry.

	How about a little tolerance for short replies that are just trying
to
	help? We dont have time to coocoon every reply in diplomatic,
politically
	correct kid-glove language, just in case some poor delicate
	newbie (I dont mean you) is offended by discovering he isnt perfect.

	> to be careful how we phrase our replies to the bleeding obvious.
If PLUG
	> doesn't want to tolerate the inexperienced, they should not
promote
	> installfests and the PLUG list as a resource for newcomers.

	What are you on Dennis ????  Newbies are most welcome, but we'd
rather
	they didnt burst into tears and go home e.g. the first time someone
asks
	them to trim their quotes in replies. They might just learn a
little.

	So lets all calm down and have a group hug,

	Mike Holland  <mike at golden.wattle.id.au>
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