I am happy with my Tuxman mug, sorry .... Fat little penguin with "Screw you guys, I'm running Linux" on it :) PS: Leon I finally got Mandrake 8.2 on the system - required a linux ide=nodma install in the end !! Cheers, Craig. Mandrake Linux 8.2 Kernel version: 2.4.18-6mdk Current Linux uptime: 11 hours 28 minutes. Registered Linux User: 228534