From solhanna at dingoblue.net.au Tue Jan 1 14:07:45 2002 From: solhanna at dingoblue.net.au (Sol) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 14:07:45 +0800 Subject: [plug] blowing away WindowsME References: <4.2.0.58.20011229075851.00990960@decisions-and-designs.com.au> <3C2D7A00.3090208@dingoblue.net.au> <20011229.10481500@ladyhawke.anjov.org> <01123109094406.12576@202.1.30.40> Message-ID: <3C315231.90107@dingoblue.net.au> Steve Grasso wrote: > >BTW blowing away an MBR, Windows or otherwise is easy. Boot from a Linux boot >disk - any will do eg. the one mentioned above, Toms Root Boot etc. At the >prompt type: > >dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 > Thanks for the tip Steve. I was on the verge of using Tom's when I gave Mandrake a go and it worked. Why RH7.1 wouldn't boot from disk is beyond me. > > >Incidently, when I'm replacing any OS with another on any HDD, I do this as a >matter of course after saving the original MBR first. It's not so important >with Win9x, but I've found it necessary for WinME/NT/2k/XP. I also usually >switch the BIOS boot virus checker off first. YMMV > Good point. But ME is a bad product even by M$'s low standards. If my brother does decide to return to WinWorld, which may prove to be a necessity as a result of certain proprietry apps which he is required to use for his work (mortgage broking), it won't be ME. Actually he seems to like Mandrake so far but it's not all peachy-creamy. The winmodem is a dead loss - and no linmodems.org doesn't help. This can be got around with an external modem so there's no drama. Apart from that he may be forced - against his will - to use some proprietry software called Mortgage Broker Assist, which so far has been more of a hindrance than a help. He's also having some trouble with power management. His battery runs down even faster than it did with Windows which doesn't make sense. I checked top which said that kapm-idled was using anywhere between 60-90% of the CPU. Weird.... Happy New Year all!!! Sol > From Adrian at Diskworld.com.au Tue Jan 1 14:49:22 2002 From: Adrian at Diskworld.com.au (Adrian Woodley) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 14:49:22 +0800 Subject: [plug] ISDN Message-ID: <3C315BF2.3000906@Diskworld.com.au> HELP! Where do I find out about using ISDN? I've found German howtos but not much else. I don't really know what I'm doing when it comes to ISDN and any help will be greatly apprecicated. Cheers, Adrian From zombie at wasp.net.au Tue Jan 1 15:33:34 2002 From: zombie at wasp.net.au (Matt Kemner) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:33:34 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] ISDN In-Reply-To: <3C315BF2.3000906@Diskworld.com.au> Message-ID: Hi Adrian On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Adrian Woodley wrote: > HELP! Where do I find out about using ISDN? I've found German howtos but > not much else. I don't really know what I'm doing when it comes to ISDN > and any help will be greatly apprecicated. Try the Linux section on http://www.traverse.com.au/ or ask specific questions on this list - there's a few of us here that have played with ISDN under Linux (esp the Traverse NetJET cards) - Matt From arkem at mornmist.2y.net Tue Jan 1 22:22:38 2002 From: arkem at mornmist.2y.net (Arkem) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:22:38 +0800 Subject: [plug] Window Managers Message-ID: I've been using KDE for a while now (since early 1.x series) but I'm starting to find my system sluggish at times. The system itself probably isn't the problem (Athlon 1.2Ghz, 768mb ram, etc) so it comes down to what I'm running. I've decided that I'm going to have a look at other window managers to see if another window manager can preform all the functions I require without quite as much bloat. I know this is a dangerous question (not quite as bad as Which distro is best though *grins*) what window manager is best if I'm operating a desktop and would prefer a sleek and slim window manager over a bells and whistles one? (Of course I'd like my window manager to look good but that's not the first priority). I've been thinking of trying out Window Maker but have decided to seek counsel first. What are the opinions floating around out there? Regards, Paul C From anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com Tue Jan 1 22:47:24 2002 From: anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com (John Knight) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 22:47:24 +0800 Subject: [plug] Window Managers Message-ID: Easy mate, although it's probably a better idea to nip the problem in the bud first, shutdown all extranious bollocks that you don't need (maybe certain firewall stuff etc, basically anything that remains unutilised). As for the window manager thing, good for you! It's great to jump into the alternative side of things and it certainly does reap its benefits. I'd recommend Window Maker too, as it's been around a long time and is quite clean and complete. If you've got a major distro like SuSE, RH or Mandrake installed, you'll also have access to the invaluable pre-configured menu that they provide. Anyway, try Window Maker, Ice WM, Blackbox and maybe Enlightenment too. Can I suggest that you download "mplayer" from www.mplayerhq.hu and get the win32 codecs? Run this with Window Maker with a divx movie and full screen turned on and you're in absolute windoze replaced, X Windows heaven! en_GB KDE guy (yeah I know, but Window Maker boots in 3 seconds!) > >I've been using KDE for a while now (since early 1.x series) but I'm >starting to find my system sluggish at times. The system itself >probably isn't the problem (Athlon 1.2Ghz, 768mb ram, etc) so it >comes down to what I'm running. I've decided that I'm going to have a >look at other window managers to see if another window manager can >preform all the functions I require without quite as much bloat. > >I know this is a dangerous question (not quite as bad as Which distro >is best though *grins*) what window manager is best if I'm operating >a desktop and would prefer a sleek and slim window manager over a >bells and whistles one? (Of course I'd like my window manager to look >good but that's not the first priority). > >I've been thinking of trying out Window Maker but have decided to >seek counsel first. What are the opinions floating around out there? > >Regards, >Paul C > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From mullerc at iinet.net.au Tue Jan 1 22:51:29 2002 From: mullerc at iinet.net.au (Christian =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=FCller?=) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 22:51:29 +0800 Subject: [plug] Window Managers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20020101224902.00bb6bd8@192.168.1.1> Have you tried turning all the bells an whistles off? You can turn all the sliding/fading effects off. I've been using Windowmaker for a while and found that it is a very fast WM, it takes a bit of getting used too after coming from the likes of KDE, Gnome or Windows. Hope this helps, Christian At 22:22 1/01/2002 +0800, you wrote: >I've been using KDE for a while now (since early 1.x series) but I'm >starting to find my system sluggish at times. The system itself >probably isn't the problem (Athlon 1.2Ghz, 768mb ram, etc) so it >comes down to what I'm running. I've decided that I'm going to have a >look at other window managers to see if another window manager can >preform all the functions I require without quite as much bloat. > >I know this is a dangerous question (not quite as bad as Which distro >is best though *grins*) what window manager is best if I'm operating >a desktop and would prefer a sleek and slim window manager over a >bells and whistles one? (Of course I'd like my window manager to look >good but that's not the first priority). > >I've been thinking of trying out Window Maker but have decided to >seek counsel first. What are the opinions floating around out there? > >Regards, >Paul C From leon at brooks.fdns.net Tue Jan 1 23:28:23 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:28:23 +0800 Subject: [plug] Making a CD image In-Reply-To: <20011231130219.D1401@eagle.amnet.net.au> References: <20011231120550.B1401@eagle.amnet.net.au> <0112311247570A.12576@202.1.30.40> <20011231130219.D1401@eagle.amnet.net.au> Message-ID: <20020101152900.B82AD32520B@mail.old-firestation.net> On Monday 31 December 2001 13:02, Christian wrote: > BTW, I get the same error using dd with ANY CD, not just the one that > cdrdao won't copy. Is that normal? No. That's how I read all of my CDs. Cheers; Leon From wootenaa at hotmail.com Tue Jan 1 23:55:42 2002 From: wootenaa at hotmail.com (Aaron Wooten) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 23:55:42 +0800 Subject: [plug] Ram Problems Message-ID: Hi , I have an aopen Ak33 Motherboard and I have noticed tha my two 128 sticks of SDRAM appear to be corrupted as the system is very unstable and in a slow POST where it checks each sector of the ram, it comes up with a memory failure. However When there is only one stick in at a time, it performs perfectly, when both sticks are in with an additional spare 128 stick of mine it also performs perfectly.I have also tried moving them around in different slots, with no luck. I have had this type of problem before and the computer store said my ram was faulty and told me to buy these two sticks, but after a month or two the same problem arises, I have flashed the bios to the latest version with no luck. Could this be a fault with my motherboard ? Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From solhanna at dingoblue.net.au Wed Jan 2 00:17:42 2002 From: solhanna at dingoblue.net.au (Sol) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 00:17:42 +0800 Subject: [plug] Window Managers References: Message-ID: <3C31E126.8010003@dingoblue.net.au> > > > >I've been thinking of trying out Window Maker but have decided to >seek counsel first. What are the opinions floating around out there? > >Regards, >Paul C > > I've messed around with quite a few window managers and have to say that Blackbox was better than I expected. My previous fave had been Enlightenment for its extensive and relatively easy to use menus (three menus - one for each mouse button) and the look. But Blackbox has just as much and is much lighter. It integrates well with GNOME too. Personally I never liked WindowMaker as it seems really clunky and I wasn't too impressed with the menuing. But try it and see for yourself. Everyone has different prefenences; and no doubt one of the reasons you're a Linux user is because you actually have a choice! Of course if you REALLY want to go for minimalism and speed there's always twm!:) regards, Sol From billk at iinet.net.au Wed Jan 2 07:28:32 2002 From: billk at iinet.net.au (Bill Kenworthy) Date: 02 Jan 2002 07:28:32 +0800 Subject: [plug] Galeon and pncs NetLink Message-ID: <1009927712.8040.14.camel@rattus.Localdomain> Galeon and netteller (pncs NetLink). It appears that Galeon reports itself as netscape 5.0 which is causing problems with the above site. Is it possible to force Galeon to report itself as ns4 as apparently you can do with Konquerer? Maybe hack the src before compile as a last resort? The problem is a toolbar which tests for ns4 and wont display otherwise, so you have to view src to get the link and manually paste the info! It tests for the browser version as below, I presume coz some ns6.0 functions dont work. isMinNS4 returns the browser version in a standard fashion. ___________________________________ if ((isMinNS4) && (version == 4)) { init(); } ___________________________________ BillK From: http://www.gemal.dk/browserspy/basic.html appName Netscape appCodeName Mozilla appVersion 5.0 (X11; en-US) appMinorVersion Property not supported or blank! IE real version Not Internet Explorer or undetectable! UserAgent Mozilla/5.0 Galeon/1.0.1 (Linux i686; U;) Gecko/0 Security Policy Property not supported or blank! Platform Linux i686 - Other platform CPU Property not supported or blank! Online Property not supported or blank! Connection Type Property not supported or blank! From arkem at mornmist.2y.net Wed Jan 2 08:38:44 2002 From: arkem at mornmist.2y.net (Arkem) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:38:44 +0800 Subject: [plug] mplayer was(Re:Window Managers) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Anyway, try Window Maker, Ice WM, Blackbox and maybe Enlightenment > too. Can I suggest that you download "mplayer" from > www.mplayerhq.hu and get the win32 codecs? Run this with Window > Maker with a divx movie and full screen turned on and you're in > absolute windoze replaced, X Windows heaven! Yes mplayer is a wonderful program once you get it to compile and install satisfactorly (it took some fiddlin' and also a bit to figure out gui support isn't in by default) I still haven't gotten it so that it will run as non-root but I have no idea why (actually I might just need to give read privs to the codecs or something). Anyway mplayer is a very lovely program and combined with xmms it fufills all my multimedia needs ^_^ Oh and thanks everyone for the comments, I'm going to have to try out a few different window managers now. Paul C From pete at akira.apana.org.au Wed Jan 2 10:16:21 2002 From: pete at akira.apana.org.au (Peter Wright) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:16:21 +0800 Subject: [plug] Window Managers In-Reply-To: <3C31E126.8010003@dingoblue.net.au> References: <3C31E126.8010003@dingoblue.net.au> Message-ID: <20020102101621.A4144@chef.flooble.net.au> On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 12:17:42AM +0800, Sol wrote: [ ... ] > But Blackbox has just as much and is much lighter. It integrates well > with GNOME too. Also, Fluxbox ( http://fluxbox.sf.net/ ) is a spin-off of the Blackbox code with a few extra features. If you like BB, you'll probably like FB as much or more. > Everyone has different prefenences; and no doubt one of the reasons > you're a Linux user is because you actually have a choice! Indeed. > Of course if you REALLY want to go for minimalism and speed there's > always twm!:) On a recent discussion on slashdot regarding lightweight apps (including, but not limited to, window managers), I suggested Ratpoison ( http://ratpoison.sf.net/ ) as probably the lightest WM around (I mean, you have to mention the one you're using at the time if nobody else does! :). Someone else responded and corrected me, pointing out that lwm ( http://www.boognish.org.uk/enh/lwm/ ) would in fact be even lighter, and indeed it was (23k executable anyone? :). The twm executable by contrast is about 130k. Ratpoison about 54k. > regards, > Sol Pete. PS. Ratpoison really is very cool. :) -- http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/ -- If at first you don't succeed, you must be a programmer. From T.Phillips at murdoch.edu.au Wed Jan 2 11:29:58 2002 From: T.Phillips at murdoch.edu.au (Trevor Phillips) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 11:29:58 +0800 Subject: [plug] Debian support for newest CD Writers References: <4.2.0.58.20011228091807.009eb360@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <3C327EB6.6000402@murdoch.edu.au> Beau Kuiper wrote: > On Friday 28 December 2001 18:12, Harry McNally wrote: > >>I'm looking at CD Writers at http://www.austin.net.au and reviews in >>http://www6.tomshardware.com/storage/01q4/011213/index.html and Linux >>compatibility at http://wt.xpilot.org/cgi-bin/winni/lsc.pl >> >>Has anyone bought a recent CD Writer and set it up under Debian Woody ? Yep!! I did a bit of research (read reviews, etc...) and it came down to an LG drive (16/10/40) and a Yamaha drive (24/10/40??). Although the Yamaha was overly swanky (gotta love variable-rate burns - not gear changing, but smooth altering of burn speed!), I settled for the LG drive, at about $180. I've been very impressed with this drive! Built-in burn protection (no software tweaks needed), good support for different modes, etc, etc... Runs very quietly, too (esp compared to my Pioneer DVD-ROM ^_^;;). I haven't tried copying fancy copy-protected stuff, but from what I read, it has the capabilities required to do so. I use gcombust for most of my burning (creating from content, not duping). Anyone have any other recommendations for feature-filled GUI burners? >>Am I right in thinking the emulated SCSI commands haven't changed and it >>should kick into life anyway ? Yep! Once I got the Fake SCSI stuff working, everything worked first go. >>Any other monumentous (cavernous ?) pitfalls with these gadgets ? Don't burn at 8x from content over a 10Mbit network. ^_^;; It was an interesting experiment, actually, sitting there watching the buffer slowly empty, not quite keeping up. Interestingly, the burn died at about 400Mb, had thousands of FIFO being empty errors - but the disk looked like only 400Mb had been written (looking at the physical etched part), and the content that WAS written was readable with no errors or speed/seek problems. Only mystery is why did it stop? Perhaps the software gave up after all the errors... > The only downfalls are: > > 1) The drive gets awfully confused if you cancel a cd burn using control-C, > requiring a reboot. I had the same problem, so I suspect it's a driver issue, rather than the drive itself? (Luckily, I was doing it with a CD-RW burn. ^_^) > 2) You need to eject the disk after a simulated write to make the drive work > correctly. Not sure if mine is the same - I rarely bother with sim writes, and the burner seems to auto-eject to reinitialise itself as needed. > There is a more detailed review of the Ricoh on www.cdrinfo.com I found http://www.cdrlabs.com/ to have really informative reviews on different drives. -- . Trevor Phillips - http://jurai.murdoch.edu.au/ . : CWIS Systems Administrator - T.Phillips at murdoch.edu.au : | IT Services - Murdoch University | >--------------------------------------------------------------------< | On nights such as this, evil deeds are done. And good deeds, of / | course. But mostly evil, on the whole. / \ -- (Terry Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters) / From jason at mindsocket.com.au Wed Jan 2 12:09:38 2002 From: jason at mindsocket.com.au (Jason Nicholls) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:09:38 +1100 Subject: [plug] Window Managers In-Reply-To: <20020102101621.A4144@chef.flooble.net.au>; from pete@akira.apana.org.au on Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 10:16:21AM +0800 References: <3C31E126.8010003@dingoblue.net.au> <20020102101621.A4144@chef.flooble.net.au> Message-ID: <20020102150938.D1016@thinker.mindsocket.com.au> On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 10:16:21AM +0800, Peter Wright wrote: > On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 12:17:42AM +0800, Sol wrote: > [ ... ] > > But Blackbox has just as much and is much lighter. It integrates well > > with GNOME too. > > Also, Fluxbox ( http://fluxbox.sf.net/ ) is a spin-off of the Blackbox code > with a few extra features. If you like BB, you'll probably like FB as much > or more. I've been in Sydney the last couple weeks using my old P233 laptop with 96Mb of RAM. I find that sawfish (the usual gnome compliant WM) and the gnome panel is quite fast even on this old thing (no pixmap type themes though). Also, unless you really want a GUI file manager consider killing off GMC or Nautilus, I know I don't miss them at all. Oh and if you haven't tried already, grab the preemptible kernel patches too ;) http://www.tech9.net/rml/linux/ Later, Jason Nicholls -------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Nicholls icq: 11745841 email: Proprietor mobile: 0417 410 811 Mind Socket [web services] http://www.mindsocket.com.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- From myk at golden.wattle.id.au Wed Jan 2 12:20:32 2002 From: myk at golden.wattle.id.au (Mike Holland) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:20:32 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] OT: LoTR:FoTR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Dec 2001, Craig Foster wrote: > In a word, 'Fellowship of The Ring' "Rocks" If you like FOTR, see some of Peter Jacksons earlier work, especially "Meet the Feebles". I think Frodo was influenced by Robert (the hedgehog). http://us.imdb.com/Title?0097858 -- There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes. -- Dr. Who From pete at akira.apana.org.au Wed Jan 2 13:09:30 2002 From: pete at akira.apana.org.au (Peter Wright) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:09:30 +0800 Subject: [plug] Window Managers In-Reply-To: <20020102150938.D1016@thinker.mindsocket.com.au> References: <3C31E126.8010003@dingoblue.net.au> <20020102101621.A4144@chef.flooble.net.au> <20020102150938.D1016@thinker.mindsocket.com.au> Message-ID: <20020102130930.A4419@chef.flooble.net.au> On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 03:09:38PM +1100, Jason Nicholls wrote: [ ... ] > I've been in Sydney the last couple weeks using my old P233 laptop with > 96Mb of RAM. I find that sawfish (the usual gnome compliant WM) and the > gnome panel is quite fast even on this old thing (no pixmap type themes > though). Um... you may find that CPU speed is pretty irrelevant here, your RAM is high enough that your machine cannot really be considered terribly low-end. I have used KDE2 quite happily even on my current Pentium 90 / 40meg RAM laptop. Not running all that much, of course, but it works. Good for demonstrating KDE prettiness and ease-of-use to non-Linux people. 32 meg RAM and below is where you'll really start to feel the pinch and need a really lightweight WM. I've used twm and fvwm reasonably happily on my oooold laptop (a 486 DX2-50 with 8 (yes, _eight_ ;) meg RAM) - but didn't run anything more than a few terminals and nedit. > Also, unless you really want a GUI file manager consider killing off GMC > or Nautilus, I know I don't miss them at all. File managers? What are they? :) I'm just in the process of annoying one of my co-workers by demonstrating how easy it is to do something using the Cygwin shell that would have taken, um, a long time using the MSWindows file manager. :) > Oh and if you haven't tried already, grab the preemptible kernel patches > too ;) > > http://www.tech9.net/rml/linux/ Hadn't heard of this... will have a look, thanks. > Later, > Jason Nicholls Pete. -- http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/ -- It isn't easy being the parent of a six-year-old. However, it's a pretty small price to pay for having somebody around the house who understands computers. From wayne.vovil at ausi.com Wed Jan 2 13:30:55 2002 From: wayne.vovil at ausi.com (Wayne Vovil) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:30:55 -0800 Subject: [plug] OT: LoTR:FoTR Message-ID: <200201020530.g025UtQ20107@mail13.bigmailbox.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From patrick at perthix.net Thu Jan 3 05:48:26 2002 From: patrick at perthix.net (Patrick Tehvand) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:48:26 -0800 Subject: [plug] windows terminal services Message-ID: <200201020548.g025mcn20668@roo.perthix.net> Hmmm... Anyone have any idea how i can access Windows Terminal Services from my linux (KDE) desktop. From memory it uses explorer to do the terminal emulation... is there any apps that will allow me to access a windows server? cheers Patrick From wootenaa at hotmail.com Wed Jan 2 13:59:33 2002 From: wootenaa at hotmail.com (Aaron Wooten) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 13:59:33 +0800 Subject: [plug] windows terminal services Message-ID: Ive heard of somthing called rdesktop you might want to give it a try rdesktop.sourceforge.net Aaron >From: Patrick Tehvand >Reply-To: plug at plug.linux.org.au >To: >Subject: [plug] windows terminal services >Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:48:26 -0800 > >Hmmm... > >Anyone have any idea how i can access Windows Terminal Services from my >linux >(KDE) desktop. From memory it uses explorer to do the terminal emulation... > >is there any apps that will allow me to access a windows server? > >cheers >Patrick > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From patrick at perthix.net Thu Jan 3 06:23:29 2002 From: patrick at perthix.net (Patrick Tehvand) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:23:29 -0800 Subject: [plug] windows terminal services In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200201020623.g026Nfn21438@roo.perthix.net> ta. I am having difficulties but i think it is on out terminal services server side. cheers Patrick On Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:59, Aaron Wooten wrote: Ive heard of somthing called rdesktop you might want to give it a try rdesktop.sourceforge.net Aaron From: Patrick Tehvand >Reply-To: plug at plug.linux.org.au >To: >Subject: [plug] windows terminal services >Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:48:26 -0800 > >Hmmm... > >Anyone have any idea how i can access Windows Terminal Services from my >linux >(KDE) desktop. From memory it uses explorer to do the terminal emulation... > >is there any apps that will allow me to access a windows server? > >cheers >Patrick _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From fordham at bekkers.com.au Sun Jan 6 15:40:40 2002 From: fordham at bekkers.com.au (Susan Fordham) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:40:40 +0800 Subject: [plug] UNSUBSCRIBE Message-ID: <000001c19685$8c2471e0$cdb237cb@ford> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alan.graham at infonetsystems.com.au Wed Jan 2 17:57:14 2002 From: alan.graham at infonetsystems.com.au (Alan Graham) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:57:14 +0800 Subject: [plug] windows terminal services In-Reply-To: <200201020548.g025mcn20668@roo.perthix.net> References: <200201020548.g025mcn20668@roo.perthix.net> Message-ID: <20020102095453.AAE2A7C09@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Go to the Citrix web site and download the terminal server client for linux. Comes as an rpm and is small, works well. Caveat. I've only used it to connect to Metaframe, but AFAIK Metaframe and WTS use the same underlying protocol. Metaframe has extension, which would mean a TS client may have problems with a metaframe server, but vice versa should be fine. Regards Alan On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 05:48, Patrick Tehvand wrote: > Hmmm... > > Anyone have any idea how i can access Windows Terminal Services from my > linux (KDE) desktop. From memory it uses explorer to do the terminal > emulation... > > is there any apps that will allow me to access a windows server? > > cheers > Patrick From alan.graham at infonetsystems.com.au Wed Jan 2 17:58:33 2002 From: alan.graham at infonetsystems.com.au (Alan Graham) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:58:33 +0800 Subject: [plug] windows terminal services In-Reply-To: <200201020548.g025mcn20668@roo.perthix.net> References: <200201020548.g025mcn20668@roo.perthix.net> Message-ID: <20020102095612.03C0C7C09@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Just for ref, the URL is http://www.citrix.com/download/unix-downloads.asp Have fun Alan On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 05:48, Patrick Tehvand wrote: > Hmmm... > > Anyone have any idea how i can access Windows Terminal Services from my > linux (KDE) desktop. From memory it uses explorer to do the terminal > emulation... > > is there any apps that will allow me to access a windows server? > > cheers > Patrick From shahmann at hotmail.com Wed Jan 2 10:18:39 2002 From: shahmann at hotmail.com (stephen shah) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 10:18:39 Subject: [plug] firewalling Message-ID: hello thier, does anyone know why the example of ipchains firewalling published in the advanced linux pocket book does not appear to work. both services r available in ntsysv ie ipchains and iptables I have disabled iptables. I havent try iptables yet but is this problem I should b using iptables ? I upgraded my my linux to kernel ver 7.1, 2-4-2-2 ( yes I know this is an old kernel now :) ) ipmasq'ring works ok after I flush the ipchain ruleset but when I run the rc.firewall script is doesnt not allow ipmasq'ring anyone know why or have had this problem ? thanx this is the published firewall script (modified ip #'s only) #!/bin/sh IP=$1 /sbin/ipchains -F input /sbin/ipchains -A input -s 192.168.1.0/24 -j ACCEPT /sbin/ipchains -A input -p TCP ! -y -d $IP 1024:65535 -j ACCEPT /sbin/ipchains -A input -p TCP -y -s 0.0.0.0/0 20 -d $IP 1024:65535 -j ACCEPT /sbin/ipchains -A input -p UDP -s 0.0.0.0/0 53 -d $IP 1024:65535 -j ACCEPT /sbin/ipchains -A input -p ICMP -j ACCEPT /sbin/ipchains -A input -i ! lo -l -j DENY _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com Wed Jan 2 23:21:53 2002 From: anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com (John Knight) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 23:21:53 +0800 Subject: [plug] mplayer was(Re:Window Managers) Message-ID: I must warn you that the Hungarians that make mplayer are rather hostile and always reply with "RTFM"! The best thing to do would be to find out where your mplayer executable is held. For all users to access it, its optimal installation directory (of which it should take first preference, assuming that you have an up to date version) is /usr/locl/bin, if it's not in there, but actually somewhere in /root, then it's "problem solvered". If you're typing out "mplayer" from anywhere instead of /usr/local/bin, make sure that it's in your path (you'll need to RTFM on paths for this). If you're saying that it works but some files don't run etc, make sure that codecs.conf is copied into ~/.mplayer/. seeya then! en_GB KDE guy (otherwise known as anarchist tomato, nhoJ, John or anarchsit tomato when I mistype)! > > > > Anyway, try Window Maker, Ice WM, Blackbox and maybe Enlightenment > > too. Can I suggest that you download "mplayer" from > > www.mplayerhq.hu and get the win32 codecs? Run this with Window > > Maker with a divx movie and full screen turned on and you're in > > absolute windoze replaced, X Windows heaven! > >Yes mplayer is a wonderful program once you get it to compile and >install satisfactorly (it took some fiddlin' and also a bit to figure >out gui support isn't in by default) I still haven't gotten it so >that it will run as non-root but I have no idea why (actually I might >just need to give read privs to the codecs or something). Anyway >mplayer is a very lovely program and combined with xmms it fufills >all my multimedia needs ^_^ > >Oh and thanks everyone for the comments, I'm going to have to try out >a few different window managers now. > >Paul C > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From arkem at mornmist.2y.net Thu Jan 3 00:15:50 2002 From: arkem at mornmist.2y.net (Arkem) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:15:50 +0800 Subject: [plug] mplayer was(Re:Window Managers) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 23:21, John Knight wrote: > I must warn you that the Hungarians that make mplayer are rather > hostile and always reply with "RTFM"! The best thing to do would be > to find out where your mplayer executable is held. For all users to > access it, its optimal installation directory (of which it should > take first preference, assuming that you have an up to date > version) is /usr/locl/bin, if it's not in there, but actually > somewhere in /root, then it's "problem solvered". If you're typing > out "mplayer" from anywhere instead of /usr/local/bin, make sure > that it's in your path (you'll need to RTFM on paths for this). > > If you're saying that it works but some files don't run etc, make > sure that codecs.conf is copied into ~/.mplayer/. I've checked the things you've mentioned, I actually explicitly installed it in /usr/bin as opposed to /usr/local/bin (personal preference I suppose). Everytime I invoke mplayer's gui as user (mplayer --gui) it segmentation faults and then complains about a particular line in codecs.conf (and if I comment out that line it complains about another line and then another). It seems to run fine without the gui option but I haven't actually tested it. Regards, Paul C (Thanks for the help) ^_^ From simpware at yahoo.com Thu Jan 3 09:35:42 2002 From: simpware at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Andrew=20Furey?=) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:35:42 +1100 (EST) Subject: [plug] CDROM weirdness Message-ID: <20020103013542.48643.qmail@web11202.mail.yahoo.com> Howdy folks (Happy New Year and all that). I have an Acer 12/8/32 CDRW drive, so I'm using SCSI emulation. It seems to work fine, but for one nagging problem... When I use dd and md5sum to verify CDs I burn, dd seems to read slightly more than the original image (maybe 4-8 kb). I'm guessing this is the fixating section of the CD. If I use count= , the md5sum matches that of the original ISO. Hence the CD does work, but it's very annoying having to specify the count value. My CDROM at home has no trouble with CDs burned from this burner (dd gets the correct size). I've also noticed it (the CDRW) has much the same problem with some pressed CDs (but not all). Anyone have any ideas? TIA, Andrew ===== "One Architecture, One OS" also translates as "One Egg, One Basket". http://my.yahoo.com.au - My Yahoo! - It's My Yahoo! Get your own! From steveg at calm.wa.gov.au Thu Jan 3 09:38:48 2002 From: steveg at calm.wa.gov.au (Steve Grasso) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:38:48 +0800 Subject: [plug] blowing away WindowsME In-Reply-To: <3C315231.90107@dingoblue.net.au> References: <4.2.0.58.20011229075851.00990960@decisions-and-designs.com.au> <01123109094406.12576@202.1.30.40> <3C315231.90107@dingoblue.net.au> Message-ID: <0201030938480E.12576@202.1.30.40> Hi Sol, On Tuesday 01 January 2002 14:07, Sol wrote: [snip] > Actually he seems to like Mandrake so far but it's not all > peachy-creamy. The winmodem is a dead loss - and no linmodems.org > doesn't help. This can be got around with an external modem so there's > no drama. Apart from that he may be forced - against his will - to use > some proprietry software called Mortgage Broker Assist, which so far has > been more of a hindrance than a help. It may work under WINE.... > He's also having some trouble > with power management. His battery runs down even faster than it did > with Windows which doesn't make sense. I checked top which said that > kapm-idled was using anywhere between 60-90% of the CPU. Weird.... Yup. That's normal. kapm-idled is designed to keep the CPU ticking over. Apparrently this makes the CPU feel very happy. All the best for 2002, Steve From jason at mindsocket.com.au Thu Jan 3 10:07:37 2002 From: jason at mindsocket.com.au (Jason Nicholls) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:07:37 +1100 Subject: [plug] security related articles Message-ID: <20020103130737.A3228@thinker.mindsocket.com.au> OnLamp (http://www.onlamp.com/) has a link to a couple security related articles that PLUGers may find interesting: Snort 'n' Dragon Snort and Dragon are two intrusion-detection programs that allow you to detect hackers trying to break into your system Understanding Rootkits Hackers have many tools that allow them to remain undetected during an attack. Understanding these tools is key to recognizing and cleaning up after an attack. Tripwire When a hacker gets through your primary defences, its hard to tell what they may have done to your system. Tripwire can reliably detect changes to your system, including rootkits. Later, Jason Nicholls -------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Nicholls icq: 11745841 email: Proprietor mobile: 0417 410 811 Mind Socket [web services] http://www.mindsocket.com.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- From christian at amnet.net.au Thu Jan 3 11:07:05 2002 From: christian at amnet.net.au (Christian) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:07:05 +0800 Subject: [plug] Making a CD image In-Reply-To: <20020101152900.B82AD32520B@mail.old-firestation.net>; from leon@brooks.fdns.net on Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 11:28:23PM +0800 References: <20011231120550.B1401@eagle.amnet.net.au> <0112311247570A.12576@202.1.30.40> <20011231130219.D1401@eagle.amnet.net.au> <20020101152900.B82AD32520B@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: <20020103110705.A7714@eagle.amnet.net.au> On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 11:28:23PM +0800, Leon Brooks wrote: > On Monday 31 December 2001 13:02, Christian wrote: > > BTW, I get the same error using dd with ANY CD, not just the one that > > cdrdao won't copy. Is that normal? > > No. That's how I read all of my CDs. Any suggestions why? It's starting to look like a kernel problem... -- DSA 0x0EC1D28C: BBCB 0D79 4EBB 078A A066 7267 8BED E9D6 0EC1 D28C From patrick at perthix.net Fri Jan 4 03:33:50 2002 From: patrick at perthix.net (Patrick Tehvand) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:33:50 -0800 Subject: [plug] windows domain Message-ID: <200201030333.g033Xun11137@roo.perthix.net> I am currently trying (emphasis here on trying) to set up a linux workstation. a few problems have arisen and thanks to all who have assisted. but once again i have exhausted my searches so i turn to you. I am currently trying to log on to a windows domain so that i can edit word documents on a win2k shared machine this is all good. I have mounted the drive and can access the documents with staroffice and change them to my hearts content. but... when i go to save them back to the drive the error comes up that i cannot access the object due to insufficient user rights. is this a problem with my workstation settings or with the permissions on the win2k server? cheers Patrick From anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com Thu Jan 3 11:46:25 2002 From: anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com (John Knight) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:46:25 +0800 Subject: [plug] mplayer was(Re:Window Managers) Message-ID: > >I've checked the things you've mentioned, I actually explicitly >installed it in /usr/bin as opposed to /usr/local/bin (personal >preference I suppose). Everytime I invoke mplayer's gui as user >(mplayer --gui) it segmentation faults and then complains about a >particular line in codecs.conf (and if I comment out that line it >complains about another line and then another). It seems to run fine >without the gui option but I haven't actually tested it. Whack it in /usr/local/bin, it's not worth the effort and trouble of reconfiguring everything, it either looks in ~/something or /usr/local/bin, putting it elsewhere will stuff it up no end. Have you actually got codecs.conf in your ~/.mplayer dir? If not, it's somewhere in the source tree. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From steveg at calm.wa.gov.au Thu Jan 3 12:08:18 2002 From: steveg at calm.wa.gov.au (Steve Grasso) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:08:18 +0800 Subject: [plug] windows domain In-Reply-To: <200201030333.g033Xun11137@roo.perthix.net> References: <200201030333.g033Xun11137@roo.perthix.net> Message-ID: <0201031208180F.12576@202.1.30.40> Patrick, On Friday 04 January 2002 03:33, Patrick Tehvand wrote: > I am currently trying (emphasis here on trying) to set up a linux > workstation. > > a few problems have arisen and thanks to all who have assisted. but once > again i have exhausted my searches so i turn to you. > > I am currently trying to log on to a windows domain so that i can edit word > documents on a win2k shared machine this is all good. I have mounted the > drive and can access the documents with staroffice and change them to my > hearts content. but... when i go to save them back to the drive the error > comes up that i cannot access the object due to insufficient user rights. > > is this a problem with my workstation settings or with the permissions on > the win2k server? Sounds like a W2K issue. Try adding the user you're mounting the drive as to the Administrators group on the W2K box. Note: There may be security issues you need to explore here. Regards, Steve From ian.kent at pobox.com Wed Jan 2 22:01:39 2002 From: ian.kent at pobox.com (raven) Date: 02 Jan 2002 22:01:39 +0800 Subject: [plug] firewalling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1009980113.26151.0.camel@raven> On Wed, 2002-01-02 at 18:18, stephen shah wrote: > hello thier, > > does anyone know why the example of ipchains firewalling published in the > advanced linux pocket book does not appear to work. > > both services r available in ntsysv ie ipchains and iptables > I have disabled iptables. I havent try iptables yet but is this problem > I should b using iptables ? > > I upgraded my my linux to kernel ver 7.1, 2-4-2-2 ( yes I know this is an > old kernel now :) ) > ipmasq'ring works ok after I flush the ipchain ruleset > but when I run the rc.firewall script is doesnt not allow ipmasq'ring > > anyone know why or have had this problem ? > > thanx > > this is the published firewall script (modified ip #'s only) > #!/bin/sh > IP=$1 So you have a fixed IP on you internet port - yes? > /sbin/ipchains -F input > /sbin/ipchains -A input -s 192.168.1.0/24 -j ACCEPT Accept anything that comes from this (private IP) subnet on any interface (including external IP). I like that. > /sbin/ipchains -A input -p TCP ! -y -d $IP 1024:65535 -j ACCEPT Accept reply packets from outgoing connections (aka do not allow incoming connection establishment). > /sbin/ipchains -A input -p TCP -y -s 0.0.0.0/0 20 -d $IP 1024:65535 -j > ACCEPT Accept incoming ftp-data connection establishment packets. > /sbin/ipchains -A input -p UDP -s 0.0.0.0/0 53 -d $IP 1024:65535 -j ACCEPT Accept incoming DNS queries on any interface for any IP. You are authorative for a DNS domain - no? > /sbin/ipchains -A input -p ICMP -j ACCEPT Accept all ICMP. In many ways a good idea. > /sbin/ipchains -A input -i ! lo -l -j DENY Chuck everything else. No masquerade there. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From billk at iinet.net.au Thu Jan 3 12:42:17 2002 From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy) Date: 03 Jan 2002 12:42:17 +0800 Subject: [plug] CDROM weirdness In-Reply-To: <20020103013542.48643.qmail@web11202.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020103013542.48643.qmail@web11202.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1010032937.8094.0.camel@microarray> Try doing the md5sum twice, one after the other. I have a problem where the first run will always fail, all subsequent runs will be good until the cd is changed. The only reference related to this that I have found is that some floppies will fail when md5sum'med the first time as a buffer in the driver needs flushing to give a clean run - this seems a logical explanation billK On Thu, 2002-01-03 at 09:35, Andrew Furey wrote: > Howdy folks (Happy New Year and all that). > > I have an Acer 12/8/32 CDRW drive, so I'm using SCSI > emulation. It seems to work fine, but for one nagging > problem... > > When I use dd and md5sum to verify CDs I burn, dd > seems to read slightly more than the original image > (maybe 4-8 kb). I'm guessing this is the fixating > section of the CD. If I use count= , the md5sum > matches that of the original ISO. Hence the CD does > work, but it's very annoying having to specify the > count value. > > My CDROM at home has no trouble with CDs burned from > this burner (dd gets the correct size). I've also > noticed it (the CDRW) has much the same problem with > some pressed CDs (but not all). > > Anyone have any ideas? > > TIA, > Andrew > > ===== > "One Architecture, One OS" also translates as "One Egg, One Basket". > > http://my.yahoo.com.au - My Yahoo! > - It's My Yahoo! Get your own! > From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Thu Jan 3 12:43:35 2002 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (craig at postnewspapers.com.au) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:43:35 +0800 Subject: [plug] RealPlayer XMMS plugin Message-ID: <20020103044334.GA2213@geek.localnet> Hi all I remember a while ago I asked about getting RealPlayer working with the VIA cxCRAP AC97 Audio Controller. Well, I got it working, and as a few others expressed having similar problems with RealPlayer's... odd... OSS dsp handling, thought I'd mention it. There is an xmms plugin, rmxmms, that uses an installed copy of RealPlayer 8 as a decoding filter or something and feeds the output through XMMS. Good for those of you using aRts, ALSA, esd (only technically working in realplayer), or crap OSS drivers. Works wonders... and that way you can use the DiskWriter plugin to record shows if you're not there using cron and xxms-console. *woohoo* Now I just have to figure out how to stream the diskwriter output to lame or the vorbis encoder. Ideas anybody? URLs for plugin: http://xmms.org/plugins_input.html ftp://ftp.xmms.org/xmms/plugins/rmxmms/libreal.so ftp://ftp.xmms.org/xmms/plugins/rmxmms/ -- Craig Ringer IT Manager, POST Newspapers http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/ http://oberthur.dyndns.org/~craig/ GPG Key Fingerprint: AF1C ABFE 7E64 E9C8 FC27 C16E D3CE CDC0 0E93 380D -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From billk at iinet.net.au Thu Jan 3 12:53:51 2002 From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy) Date: 03 Jan 2002 12:53:51 +0800 Subject: [plug] RealPlayer XMMS plugin In-Reply-To: <20020103044334.GA2213@geek.localnet> References: <20020103044334.GA2213@geek.localnet> Message-ID: <1010033631.8094.2.camel@microarray> alternative: vsound is a wrapper that grabs the audio from an application (like realplayer) and writes it to disk (and can play it at the same time if required!). BillK On Thu, 2002-01-03 at 12:43, craig at postnewspapers.com.au wrote: > Hi all > I remember a while ago I asked about getting RealPlayer working with the > VIA cxCRAP AC97 Audio Controller. Well, I got it working, and as a few > others expressed having similar problems with RealPlayer's... odd... OSS > dsp handling, thought I'd mention it. > > There is an xmms plugin, rmxmms, that uses an installed copy of > RealPlayer 8 as a decoding filter or something and feeds the output > through XMMS. Good for those of you using aRts, ALSA, esd (only > technically working in realplayer), or crap OSS > drivers. > > Works wonders... and that way you can use the DiskWriter plugin to > record shows if you're not there using cron and xxms-console. *woohoo* > > Now I just have to figure out how to stream the diskwriter output to > lame or the vorbis encoder. Ideas anybody? > > URLs for plugin: > http://xmms.org/plugins_input.html > ftp://ftp.xmms.org/xmms/plugins/rmxmms/libreal.so > ftp://ftp.xmms.org/xmms/plugins/rmxmms/ > > -- > Craig Ringer > IT Manager, POST Newspapers > http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/ http://oberthur.dyndns.org/~craig/ > GPG Key Fingerprint: AF1C ABFE 7E64 E9C8 FC27 C16E D3CE CDC0 0E93 380D From patrick at perthix.net Fri Jan 4 04:53:52 2002 From: patrick at perthix.net (Patrick Tehvand) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:53:52 -0800 Subject: [plug] windows domain In-Reply-To: <0201031208180F.12576@202.1.30.40> References: <200201030333.g033Xun11137@roo.perthix.net> <0201031208180F.12576@202.1.30.40> Message-ID: <200201030453.g034rwn12840@roo.perthix.net> actually, (and i feel rather silly) it was my permissions in my fstab i needed to add a uid and gid reference... hmmm... thanks anyway. Patrick On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:08, Steve Grasso wrote: Patrick, On Friday 04 January 2002 03:33, Patrick Tehvand wrote: > I am currently trying (emphasis here on trying) to set up a linux > workstation. > > a few problems have arisen and thanks to all who have assisted. but once > again i have exhausted my searches so i turn to you. > > I am currently trying to log on to a windows domain so that i can edit word > documents on a win2k shared machine this is all good. I have mounted the > drive and can access the documents with staroffice and change them to my > hearts content. but... when i go to save them back to the drive the error > comes up that i cannot access the object due to insufficient user rights. > > is this a problem with my workstation settings or with the permissions on > the win2k server? Sounds like a W2K issue. Try adding the user you're mounting the drive as to the Administrators group on the W2K box. Note: There may be security issues you need to explore here. Regards, Steve From arkem at mornmist.2y.net Thu Jan 3 13:10:05 2002 From: arkem at mornmist.2y.net (Arkem) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:10:05 +0800 Subject: [plug] mplayer was(Re:Window Managers) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Whack it in /usr/local/bin, it's not worth the effort and trouble > of reconfiguring everything, it either looks in ~/something or > /usr/local/bin, putting it elsewhere will stuff it up no end. Have > you actually got codecs.conf in your ~/.mplayer dir? If not, it's > somewhere in the source tree. I've finally got this sorted for those who are interested. It looks like there was a copy of mplayer in /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin, root doesn't seem to have /usr/local/bin in its path so used the /usr/bin one. The /usr/loca/bin must of been compiled incorectly or something and thus the segfaults. I recompiled it and it still didn't work and then I realised that the skins in /usr/local/mplayer/Skins/ weren't readable by users. Also it was about this time I realised that I didn't have mtrr support in my kernel and that this was a bad thing. I've fixed all of those problems and everything is peachy. Thanks for the help, Paul C From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Thu Jan 3 14:15:42 2002 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (craig at postnewspapers.com.au) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:15:42 +0800 Subject: [plug] CDROM weirdness In-Reply-To: <20020103013542.48643.qmail@web11202.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020103013542.48643.qmail@web11202.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020103061542.GA6691@geek.localnet> > When I use dd and md5sum to verify CDs I burn, dd > seems to read slightly more than the original image > (maybe 4-8 kb). I'm guessing this is the fixating > section of the CD. If I use count= , the md5sum > matches that of the original ISO. Hence the CD does > work, but it's very annoying having to specify the > count value. I think ISO9660 tracks have to be padded out to fill the last sector on the CD, and thats what you're getting as part of the MD5SUM - the padding bytes. Hence count= fixes it as you ignore the padding. If this is the case, and I'm fairly sure it is, there isn't much to be done but use a count= argument all the time. -- Craig Ringer IT Manager, POST Newspapers http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/ http://oberthur.dyndns.org/~craig/ GPG Key Fingerprint: AF1C ABFE 7E64 E9C8 FC27 C16E D3CE CDC0 0E93 380D -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From simpware at yahoo.com Thu Jan 3 16:10:28 2002 From: simpware at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Andrew=20Furey?=) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:10:28 +1100 (EST) Subject: [plug] CDROM weirdness In-Reply-To: <1010032937.8094.0.camel@microarray> Message-ID: <20020103081028.76811.qmail@web11201.mail.yahoo.com> > Try doing the md5sum twice, one after the other. I > have a problem where > the first run will always fail, all subsequent runs > will be good until > the cd is changed. The only reference related to > this that I have found > is that some floppies will fail when md5sum'med the > first time as a > buffer in the driver needs flushing to give a clean > run - this seems a > logical explanation Unfortunately not. I did 4 runs one after the other. All four gave the same incorrect size (4kb bigger). The first two gave a wrong md5sum as a result, and the last two gave two more (wrong) sums. Weird. > I think ISO9660 tracks have to be padded out to fill > the last sector on > the CD, and thats what you're getting as part of the > MD5SUM - the > padding bytes. Hence count= fixes it as you ignore > the padding. If this is the case, and I'm fairly sure > it is, there isn't much to be > done but use a count= argument all the time. By padding do you mean up to the nearest 1024 bytes? Isn't that mkisofs' job? (BTW I'm specifying bs=1k all the time.) In any event, I can burn an image on this burner from a disk image on this machine, take the newly burned CD home to my box (which works fine), put it in, do dd with no count, and get the exact same values as if I had done a dd of the source image. In my mind this is as it should be, it just doesn't work reading on this drive :( Andrew ===== "One Architecture, One OS" also translates as "One Egg, One Basket". http://my.yahoo.com.au - My Yahoo! - It's My Yahoo! Get your own! From bernard at blackham.com.au Thu Jan 3 16:14:20 2002 From: bernard at blackham.com.au (Bernard) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:14:20 +0800 Subject: [plug] CDROM weirdness In-Reply-To: <20020103081028.76811.qmail@web11201.mail.yahoo.com> References: <1010032937.8094.0.camel@microarray> <20020103081028.76811.qmail@web11201.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020103161420.B13212@bernard.home> On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 07:10:28PM +1100, Andrew Furey wrote: > By padding do you mean up to the nearest 1024 bytes? > Isn't that mkisofs' job? (BTW I'm specifying bs=1k all > the time.) From jlmiller at mmtnetworks.com.au Thu Jan 3 17:01:48 2002 From: jlmiller at mmtnetworks.com.au (Jon Miller) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 17:01:48 +0800 Subject: [plug] WXP & Linux Message-ID: Anyone tried WXP desktops with RH7.x yet and can shine some light on the subject as far as performance goes. I'm also interested in hearing from those that have mixed W2KP with RH7.x. Thanks Jon L. Miller, MCNE Director/Sr Systems Consultant MMT Networks Pty Ltd http://www.mmtnetworks.com.au "I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody." -Bill Cosby From patrick at perthix.net Fri Jan 4 08:31:13 2002 From: patrick at perthix.net (Patrick Tehvand) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:31:13 -0800 Subject: [plug] WXP & Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200201030831.g038VIn17970@roo.perthix.net> On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:01, Jon Miller wrote: Anyone tried WXP desktops with RH7.x yet and can shine some light on the subject as far as performance goes. I'm also interested in hearing from those that have mixed W2KP with RH7.x. I am currently playing with RH7.2 and Win2kpro (dual booting) so far no problems (other than issues with logging into a win2kserver domain) have mounted the win partition and all is good. Performance wise there is no percevable difference. Cheers Patrick Thanks Jon L. Miller, MCNE Director/Sr Systems Consultant MMT Networks Pty Ltd http://www.mmtnetworks.com.au "I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody." -Bill Cosby From shahmann at hotmail.com Thu Jan 3 08:27:57 2002 From: shahmann at hotmail.com (stephen shah) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 08:27:57 Subject: [plug] firewalling Message-ID: thanz 4 the reply raven, I guess I should have included my rc.masq script as well but the prob is that side works fine Its only when I run the rc.firwall script that ipforwarding no longer works, cant ssh into the box etc flush the the ipchain ruleset and presto, ipforwarding working oks again anyways, I think I might try iptables c if that solves my problem ps r u a q3 player, I am sure I have seen your nic b4 , just cant remember where, maybe at a uwalan frag fest ;) >From: raven >Reply-To: plug at plug.linux.org.au >To: plug at plug.linux.org.au >Subject: Re: [plug] firewalling >Date: 02 Jan 2002 22:01:39 +0800 > >On Wed, 2002-01-02 at 18:18, stephen shah wrote: > > hello thier, > > > > does anyone know why the example of ipchains firewalling published in >the > > advanced linux pocket book does not appear to work. > > > > both services r available in ntsysv ie ipchains and iptables > > I have disabled iptables. I havent try iptables yet but is this problem > > I should b using iptables ? > > > > I upgraded my my linux to kernel ver 7.1, 2-4-2-2 ( yes I know this is >an > > old kernel now :) ) > > ipmasq'ring works ok after I flush the ipchain ruleset > > but when I run the rc.firewall script is doesnt not allow ipmasq'ring > > > > anyone know why or have had this problem ? > > > > thanx > > > > this is the published firewall script (modified ip #'s only) > > #!/bin/sh > > IP=$1 > >So you have a fixed IP on you internet port - yes? > > > /sbin/ipchains -F input > > /sbin/ipchains -A input -s 192.168.1.0/24 -j ACCEPT > >Accept anything that comes from this (private IP) subnet on any >interface (including external IP). >I like that. > > > /sbin/ipchains -A input -p TCP ! -y -d $IP 1024:65535 -j ACCEPT > >Accept reply packets from outgoing connections (aka do not allow >incoming connection establishment). > > > /sbin/ipchains -A input -p TCP -y -s 0.0.0.0/0 20 -d $IP 1024:65535 -j > > ACCEPT > >Accept incoming ftp-data connection establishment packets. > > > /sbin/ipchains -A input -p UDP -s 0.0.0.0/0 53 -d $IP 1024:65535 -j >ACCEPT > >Accept incoming DNS queries on any interface for any IP. You are >authorative for a DNS domain - no? > > > /sbin/ipchains -A input -p ICMP -j ACCEPT > >Accept all ICMP. In many ways a good idea. > > > /sbin/ipchains -A input -i ! lo -l -j DENY > >Chuck everything else. > >No masquerade there. > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From jensz at wn.com.au Thu Jan 3 17:26:45 2002 From: jensz at wn.com.au (Ben Jensz) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:26:45 +0800 Subject: [plug] firewalling In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003001c19438$c355e3f0$0a00a8c0@3fragsleft.net> Those "ipchains" and "iptables" scripts are used to run a script created by some GUI interface for creating a firewall. Personally I hate most GUI configuration type tools for Linux. I'd turn them off and create your own script. Since you're using a 2.4 kernel, you might as well use iptables as its far superior than ipchains (IMHO anyway). / Ben -----Original Message----- From: stephen shah [mailto:shahmann at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 3 January 2002 8:28 AM To: plug at plug.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [plug] firewalling thanz 4 the reply raven, I guess I should have included my rc.masq script as well but the prob is that side works fine Its only when I run the rc.firwall script that ipforwarding no longer works, cant ssh into the box etc flush the the ipchain ruleset and presto, ipforwarding working oks again anyways, I think I might try iptables c if that solves my problem ps r u a q3 player, I am sure I have seen your nic b4 , just cant remember where, maybe at a uwalan frag fest ;) >From: raven >Reply-To: plug at plug.linux.org.au >To: plug at plug.linux.org.au >Subject: Re: [plug] firewalling >Date: 02 Jan 2002 22:01:39 +0800 > >On Wed, 2002-01-02 at 18:18, stephen shah wrote: > > hello thier, > > > > does anyone know why the example of ipchains firewalling published > > in >the > > advanced linux pocket book does not appear to work. > > > > both services r available in ntsysv ie ipchains and iptables I have > > disabled iptables. I havent try iptables yet but is this problem I > > should b using iptables ? > > > > I upgraded my my linux to kernel ver 7.1, 2-4-2-2 ( yes I know this > > is >an > > old kernel now :) ) > > ipmasq'ring works ok after I flush the ipchain ruleset > > but when I run the rc.firewall script is doesnt not allow > > ipmasq'ring > > > > anyone know why or have had this problem ? > > > > thanx > > > > this is the published firewall script (modified ip #'s only) > > #!/bin/sh IP=$1 > >So you have a fixed IP on you internet port - yes? > > > /sbin/ipchains -F input > > /sbin/ipchains -A input -s 192.168.1.0/24 -j ACCEPT > >Accept anything that comes from this (private IP) subnet on any >interface (including external IP). I like that. > > > /sbin/ipchains -A input -p TCP ! -y -d $IP 1024:65535 -j ACCEPT > >Accept reply packets from outgoing connections (aka do not allow >incoming connection establishment). > > > /sbin/ipchains -A input -p TCP -y -s 0.0.0.0/0 20 -d $IP 1024:65535 > > -j ACCEPT > >Accept incoming ftp-data connection establishment packets. > > > /sbin/ipchains -A input -p UDP -s 0.0.0.0/0 53 -d $IP 1024:65535 -j >ACCEPT > >Accept incoming DNS queries on any interface for any IP. You are >authorative for a DNS domain - no? > > > /sbin/ipchains -A input -p ICMP -j ACCEPT > >Accept all ICMP. In many ways a good idea. > > > /sbin/ipchains -A input -i ! lo -l -j DENY > >Chuck everything else. > >No masquerade there. > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From arkem at mornmist.2y.net Thu Jan 3 17:42:00 2002 From: arkem at mornmist.2y.net (Arkem) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:42:00 +0800 Subject: [plug] OT: Psion / HP Jornada's and other PDAs Message-ID: I'm currently looking to by a palm top PC to help me with certain things (I'm planning among other things to use it for note taking at University next year to bypass my shockingly slow and messy handwriting). Currently I have my eye on several products, the Psion 5mx, the Psion 7 and the HP Jornada 720. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with products or could suggest something else in the palmtop computer/sub-notebook area. I currently like the idea of a clam shell design with included keyboard but does anyone here use a Palm/Visor/iPaq and can comment? Thanks in advance and appologies for the OT post Paul C From michael.j.hunt at usa.net Thu Jan 3 19:03:00 2002 From: michael.j.hunt at usa.net (Michael Hunt) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:03:00 +0800 Subject: [plug] security related articles In-Reply-To: <20020103130737.A3228@thinker.mindsocket.com.au> Message-ID: Jason, Thanks for the links but the toolkits are only as useful as the data that they turn out. Not saying here that they don't turn out good quality data its just that it is not 'user-friendly' (or newbie friendly. Anyone have any links on how to interpret snort data ??? Maybe a Linux security guru could give a PLUG talk ??? Maybe a Linux security guru will give a talk at LCA 2002 ??? Or maybe even at 2003 ??? (Can I wait that long ????) Maybe I should become a Linux security guru !!! Michael Hunt > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Nicholls [mailto:jason at mindsocket.com.au] > Sent: Thursday, 3 January 2002 10:08 AM > To: Perth Linux Users Group > Subject: [plug] security related articles > > > > OnLamp (http://www.onlamp.com/) has a link to a couple security related > articles that PLUGers may find interesting: > > Snort 'n' Dragon > > Snort and Dragon are two intrusion-detection programs that > allow you > to detect hackers trying to break into your system > > Understanding Rootkits > > Hackers have many tools that allow them to remain undetected during > an attack. Understanding these tools is key to recognizing and > cleaning up after an attack. > > Tripwire > > When a hacker gets through your primary defences, its hard to tell > what they may have done to your system. Tripwire can > reliably detect > changes to your system, including rootkits. > > > Later, > > Jason Nicholls > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Jason Nicholls icq: 11745841 email: > Proprietor mobile: 0417 410 811 > Mind Socket [web services] http://www.mindsocket.com.au/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From fostware at iinet.net.au Thu Jan 3 19:12:51 2002 From: fostware at iinet.net.au (Craig Foster) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:12:51 +0800 Subject: [plug] security related articles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Wanna NEWBIE Toolkit? For lots of modem users, I have portsentry running... You simply set it to DENY using ipchains or DROP using iptables the IP that scans your ports. Block all but your web and mail, and let portsentry grab anyone who scans for other stuff (like port 111 (sunrpc), 1080 (socks should be internal only), and 53 (unless you run a live DNS server in which case you don't set this kinda thing up)) It's small and the main downside is nasty people who use nmap to spoof your router or upstream DNS server (ie portsentry will block all traffic to your ISP's router, killing your connection) To guard against this, I config the ppp-up script to reset the blocked IPs Be aware that any moderate server would not take kindly to this type of program. Regards, Craig Foster > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Hunt [mailto:michael.j.hunt at usa.net] > Sent: Thursday, 3 January 2002 7:03 PM > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: RE: [plug] security related articles > > > Jason, > > Thanks for the links but the toolkits are only as useful as > the data that > they turn out. Not saying here that they don't turn out > good quality data > its just that it is not 'user-friendly' (or newbie friendly. > > Anyone have any links on how to interpret snort data ??? > > Maybe a Linux security guru could give a PLUG talk ??? Maybe a Linux > security guru will give a talk at LCA 2002 ??? Or maybe > even at 2003 ??? > (Can I wait that long ????) > > Maybe I should become a Linux security guru !!! > > Michael Hunt > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jason Nicholls [mailto:jason at mindsocket.com.au] > > Sent: Thursday, 3 January 2002 10:08 AM > > To: Perth Linux Users Group > > Subject: [plug] security related articles > > > > > > > > OnLamp (http://www.onlamp.com/) has a link to a couple > security related > > articles that PLUGers may find interesting: > > > > Snort 'n' Dragon > > > > Snort and Dragon are two intrusion-detection programs that > > allow you > > to detect hackers trying to break into your system > > > > Understanding Rootkits > > > > Hackers have many tools that allow them to remain > undetected during > > an attack. Understanding these tools is key to > recognizing and > > cleaning up after an attack. > > > > Tripwire > > > > When a hacker gets through your primary defences, > its hard to tell > > what they may have done to your system. Tripwire can > > reliably detect > > changes to your system, including rootkits. > > > > > > Later, > > > > Jason Nicholls > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Jason Nicholls icq: 11745841 email: > > > Proprietor mobile: 0417 410 811 > > Mind Socket [web services] http://www.mindsocket.com.au/ > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > From leon at brooks.fdns.net Thu Jan 3 20:26:31 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:26:31 +0800 Subject: [plug] blowing away WindowsME In-Reply-To: <0201030938480E.12576@202.1.30.40> References: <4.2.0.58.20011229075851.00990960@decisions-and-designs.com.au> <3C315231.90107@dingoblue.net.au> <0201030938480E.12576@202.1.30.40> Message-ID: <20020103122726.82BF53254E2@mail.old-firestation.net> On Thursday 03 January 2002 09:38, Steve Grasso wrote: > > He's also having some trouble > > with power management. His battery runs down even faster than it did > > with Windows which doesn't make sense. I checked top which said that > > kapm-idled was using anywhere between 60-90% of the CPU. Weird.... > Yup. That's normal. kapm-idled is designed to keep the CPU ticking over. > Apparrently this makes the CPU feel very happy. Apparently the practice doesn't always match the theory. Try a later kernel set from cooker and see if it makes a difference. Cheers; Leon From cottmain at yahoo.com.au Thu Jan 3 20:42:22 2002 From: cottmain at yahoo.com.au (Daniel) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 20:42:22 +0800 Subject: [plug] 1) interpreting snort data 2) Security Patches for kernel 2.4 In-Reply-To: References: <20020103130737.A3228@thinker.mindsocket.com.au> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020103203112.01e26960@144.135.24.13> Hi Mike and Plug, I was just musing over my lack of understanding of firewalls and logs [among other things]... then I found the following. Is this what you are after? 1) interpreting snort data http://www.grsecurity.net/misc.htm "grsparse is the only snort logfile parser written in pure c that acts as a cgi and outputs the logs in an organized way in HTML format. It's incredibly fast, features ip whois, nslookup, and domain whois all with internal code. It also allows you to sort by any criteria, and gives you a rundown of the most and least recurring of each field. It requires snort v1.8+ and the the snort config available on www.snort.org Now uses autoconf, so it will work on any operating system that can run snort. " 2) Security Patches for kernel 2.4 http://www.grsecurity.net/ "Grsecurity is the most extensive set of security patches to the 2.4 tree of Linux kernels to date. It features ports of popular security patches for the 2.2 tree of Linux kernels (such as Openwall, available at http://www.openwall.com/linux), its own ACL system, various other adapted features (such as the Trusted Path Execution and random IP ID implementations), as well as a great deal of enhanced auditing/logging features. It also includes the work of PaX, available at http://pageexec.virtualave.net. The goal of the project is to create the most secure system possible while requiring minimum configuration. With every new version that is released, that goal is being more fully realized." Regards, Daniel. At 19:03 3/01/2002 +0800, Michael Hunt wrote: >...snip... >Anyone have any links on how to interpret snort data ??? > >Maybe a Linux security guru could give a PLUG talk ??? Maybe a Linux >security guru will give a talk at LCA 2002 ??? Or maybe even at 2003 ??? >(Can I wait that long ????) > >Maybe I should become a Linux security guru !!! >Michael Hunt From michael.j.hunt at usa.net Thu Jan 3 21:01:59 2002 From: michael.j.hunt at usa.net (Michael Hunt) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:01:59 +0800 Subject: [plug] 1) interpreting snort data 2) Security Patches for kernel 2.4 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020103203112.01e26960@144.135.24.13> Message-ID: Daniel [mailto:cottmain at yahoo.com.au] wrote: > Hi Mike and Plug, Hiya Dan, > I was just musing over my lack of understanding of firewalls and logs > [among other things]... then I found the following. Is this what you are > after? > > 1) interpreting snort data > http://www.grsecurity.net/misc.htm > "grsparse is the only snort logfile parser written in pure c that > acts as a > cgi and outputs the logs in an organized way in HTML format. It's > incredibly fast, features ip whois, nslookup, and domain whois all with > internal code. It also allows you to sort by any criteria, and > gives you a > rundown of the most and least recurring of each field. It requires snort > v1.8+ and the the snort config available on www.snort.org Now uses > autoconf, so it will work on any operating system that can run snort. " Smoothwall (which is what I am using for my firewall at the moment) has something similar but not as fancy. What I am really looking for is a database that I can plug messages into and get some detailed analysis on. At the moment the information is very cryptic and doesn't really explain always what is going on. I certainly like the look of gparse and may use it when I do the "build your own slackware firewall from source and become an instant Linux/security guru overnight". I am thinking that the "apt-get" Debian firewall solution is looking much easier though *grin* > 2) Security Patches for kernel 2.4 > http://www.grsecurity.net/ > "Grsecurity is the most extensive set of security patches to the 2.4 tree > of Linux kernels to date. It features ports of popular security > patches for > the 2.2 tree of Linux kernels (such as Openwall, available at > http://www.openwall.com/linux), its own ACL system, various other adapted > features (such as the Trusted Path Execution and random IP ID > implementations), as well as a great deal of enhanced auditing/logging > features. It also includes the work of PaX, available at > http://pageexec.virtualave.net. The goal of the project is to create the > most secure system possible while requiring minimum configuration. With > every new version that is released, that goal is being more fully > realized." Smoothwall/Potato are both running 2.2 kernels so I don't think these are going to be any good to me at the moment. The patches are certainly something that are interesting and I hope to be having a good look into them soon. Now where did that spare time go ..... > Regards, > Daniel. Thanks Dan. Very informative. > At 19:03 3/01/2002 +0800, Michael Hunt wrote: > >...snip... > >Anyone have any links on how to interpret snort data ??? > > > >Maybe a Linux security guru could give a PLUG talk ??? Maybe a Linux > >security guru will give a talk at LCA 2002 ??? Or maybe even at 2003 ??? > >(Can I wait that long ????) > > > >Maybe I should become a Linux security guru !!! > >Michael Hunt From michael.j.hunt at usa.net Thu Jan 3 21:10:23 2002 From: michael.j.hunt at usa.net (Michael Hunt) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:10:23 +0800 Subject: [plug] Three PLUG posts on LWN.net Message-ID: Hiya all, For those who haven't seen/read LWN (Linux Weekly News http://lwn.net/) check out the two PLUG celebrities who managed to get there letters published. One infamous celeb managed to get two letters published. To find out who these people are check out http://lwn.net/2002/0103/letters.php3 Michael Hunt From leon at brooks.fdns.net Thu Jan 3 21:21:57 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:21:57 +0800 Subject: [plug] Three PLUG posts on LWN.net In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020103132252.7E761325852@mail.old-firestation.net> On Thursday 03 January 2002 21:10, Michael Hunt wrote: > For those who haven't seen/read LWN (Linux Weekly News http://lwn.net/) > check out the two PLUG celebrities who managed to get there letters > published. > One infamous celeb managed to get two letters published. > To find out who these people are check out > http://lwn.net/2002/0103/letters.php3 And check the timestamp on the second one. (-: Cheers; Leon From cottmain at yahoo.com.au Thu Jan 3 21:35:56 2002 From: cottmain at yahoo.com.au (Daniel) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 21:35:56 +0800 Subject: [plug] OT Any ISPs allow intelligent Spam filtering? In-Reply-To: <200201030831.g038VIn17970@roo.perthix.net> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020103212029.027b3eb8@144.135.24.13> Hi Plug, I'm sorry my understanding is still badly lacking on this spam filtering business. I considered forwarding my mail to a free service with a good spam filter but I couldn't find one that was above the basic level. I've looked at a few spam filtering mechanisms, but I am reluctant to have a permanent connection just to filter spam - can anyone tell me of an isp that offers a comprehensive spam filtering service (like those below)? I have looked at the following [on the off chance I can't find an isp] to try to learn more, but I think they require abilities and services many isps might be reluctant to give. Any ideas? Spambouncer http://www.devsite.org/internet/noframes.shtml seems very thorough and to have quite a following ... Procmail focused. Active Spam Killer (ASK) http://www.paganini.net/ask/ likewise seems good. Procmail focused. Tagged Message Delivery Agent (TMDA) http://software.libertine.org/tmda/index.html imho - wants to make a new e-mail address that is open for a short period of time to receive replies. Overkill for the trouble? Works more broadly than just Procmail. TIA Regards, Daniel From solhanna at dingoblue.net.au Fri Jan 4 01:31:36 2002 From: solhanna at dingoblue.net.au (Sol) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 01:31:36 +0800 Subject: [plug] blowing away WindowsME References: <4.2.0.58.20011229075851.00990960@decisions-and-designs.com.au> <3C315231.90107@dingoblue.net.au> <0201030938480E.12576@202.1.30.40> <20020103122726.82BF53254E2@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: <3C349578.8010500@dingoblue.net.au> > > > Try a later kernel >set from cooker and see if it makes a difference. > >Cheers; Leon > > Cheers for the advice. Will give it a go, if time (and my brother) permits. Thanks, Sol From grogers at vk6hgr.echidna.id.au Fri Jan 4 08:28:59 2002 From: grogers at vk6hgr.echidna.id.au (Gavin Rogers) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:28:59 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] OT Any ISPs allow intelligent Spam filtering? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020103212029.027b3eb8@144.135.24.13> Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Daniel wrote: > Hi Plug, > I'm sorry my understanding is still badly lacking on this spam filtering > business. > I considered forwarding my mail to a free service with a good spam filter > but I couldn't find one that was above the basic level. > I've looked at a few spam filtering mechanisms, but I am reluctant to have > a permanent connection just to filter spam - can anyone tell me of an isp > that offers a comprehensive spam filtering service (like those below)? Hello Daniel, Very few ISPs will filter spam as a general rule. If mail bombed by one source, then, of course, all ISPs will block the offender, but your average every-day spam usually is left be and ISPs aren't willing to change this anytime soon. One reason is that of performance. ISPs get a lot of email :-) Spam filtering and/or virus scanning every email would just kill performance. That leads to angry support calls. Anyone who has ever worked in a call centre can agree with me here - those sorts of calls are the worst kind! Even for the small email installation we have at work, servicing about 70 users, we receive about 3000 emails a day. exim + exiscan + mcafee + a few spam rules takes about 3 seconds of time on a Celeron 266 (on average) to scan each email. That's 150 minutes/day that our email server uses up scanning for viruses and spam. Take an ISP, with 5000 users. Every user, every day, receives 5 emails (say). That's 25,000 * 3 seconds = about 20 hours. Ouch. Large ISPs can hardly write the received emails to disk fast enough without also having to process them... The other sticky problem is that of liability. For your home and family email, it probably doesn't matter a great deal if a bit of spam got through or worse, a legit email was killed off as spam accidentally. For an ISP, they just can't do this! Customers would complain about receiving spam on their 'filtered' service, and customers would start threatening with legal nastiness if an email was ever deleted that shouldn't have. So, ISPs leave their customer's email alone and recommend they use virus scanning and spam filters of their own. Some have a @staff.isp.com.au sub-domain for staff email which is checked. I guess the ISP feels happy being resposibile for their own email... --- Gavin Rogers | Amateur radio station VK6HGR grogers at vk6hgr.echidna.id.au | http://vk6hgr.echidna.id.au:800/ From wayne.vovil at ausi.com Fri Jan 4 08:37:38 2002 From: wayne.vovil at ausi.com (Wayne Vovil) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:37:38 -0800 Subject: [plug] OT: Psion / HP Jornada's and other PDAs Message-ID: <200201040037.g040bcs23743@mail6.bigmailbox.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From batesy at batesy.net Fri Jan 4 10:02:17 2002 From: batesy at batesy.net (Jonathon Bates) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:02:17 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] Kernel Compilation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi guys, I have but a simple question that is annoying the shit out of me! :( Evertime I compile a new kernel, pppd never works. It says that the kernal lacks pppd support. Can anyon tell me what I need to compile into the kernel to get ppp working? Cheers Batesy From tony at cantech.net.au Fri Jan 4 10:10:34 2002 From: tony at cantech.net.au (Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:10:34 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] Kernel Compilation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Jonathon Bates wrote: > Hi guys, > I have but a simple question that is annoying the shit > out of me! :( > Evertime I compile a new kernel, pppd never works. > It says that the kernal lacks pppd support. > Can anyon tell me what I need to compile into the kernel > to get ppp working? It means either: a) you didn't include PPP support b) you included ppp support as a module and haven't loaded it, and you modutils don't work you your new kernel. These are easily fixed by reading the Changes file and ensuring that all your utils are of the correct versions. and includes PPP support into your kernel. Yours Tony. /* * "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the * same level of thinking we were at when we created them." * --Albert Einstein */ From steveg at calm.wa.gov.au Fri Jan 4 10:13:33 2002 From: steveg at calm.wa.gov.au (Steve Grasso) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:13:33 +0800 Subject: [plug] Kernel Compilation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0201041013330J.12576@202.1.30.40> PPP (point-to-point protocol) support and PPP support for async serial portss Adjust the rest to suit, but you need these two Regards, Steve On Friday 04 January 2002 10:02, Jonathon Bates wrote: > Hi guys, > I have but a simple question that is annoying the shit > out of me! :( > Evertime I compile a new kernel, pppd never works. > It says that the kernal lacks pppd support. > Can anyon tell me what I need to compile into the kernel > to get ppp working? > > Cheers > Batesy From pete at akira.apana.org.au Fri Jan 4 12:11:32 2002 From: pete at akira.apana.org.au (Peter Wright) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:11:32 +0800 Subject: [plug] OT: Psion / HP Jornada's and other PDAs In-Reply-To: <200201040037.g040bcs23743@mail6.bigmailbox.com> References: <200201040037.g040bcs23743@mail6.bigmailbox.com> Message-ID: <20020104121132.A7092@chef.flooble.net.au> On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 04:37:38PM -0800, Wayne Vovil wrote: > > Arkem plug at plug.linux.org.auDate: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:42:00 +0800 > >I'm currently looking to by a palm top PC to help me with certain > >things (I'm planning among other things to use it for note taking at > >University next year to bypass my shockingly slow and messy > >handwriting). Currently I have my eye on several products, the Psion > >5mx, the Psion 7 and the HP Jornada 720. > >Paul C > > I have used a Palm V and a WinCE palmtop; but if you intend to take notes > at uni, forget it. If they have a keyboard they are too small to use for > large amounts of typing. Most have either handwriting recognition (you > said yours was bad - so forget that), or a emulated 'tap' kb - too slow. Well, if you're willing to consider a Palm or Handspring Visor there's always: http://store.palm.com/Catalog/peripherals.asp?action=add&productnr=3180&parent=1003&type=5 and http://www.pfuca.com/products/hhkb/hhcindex.html I actually have a Happy Hacking cradle and a HHK Lite keyboard which I used to use with my Palm IIIx. Now, however, my main Palm is a Palm Vx and I can't use it with the cradle... however, as I can now see, the buggers at Pfuca have now decided to release the Palmdock V for _free_ along with the cradle! Bastards! Now how can I get one.... *thinking, thinking* :) Anyway though, a Palm with the HH cradle and a keyboard is really cool. Of course it's nicest with a HH keyboard, because they're very compact, but the HH cradle works with any PS/2 keyboard (ie. a bog standard keyboard that you can get for $10 or so). Have a look here: http://www.pfuca.com/products/hhkb/hhkb_pht.html#Happy%20Hacking%20Cradle or specifically here: http://www.pfuca.com/products/hhkb/img_hhkb/media/cradle_jpg/comb.jpg to get an idea of how cool it is. I just ordered mine along with the keyboard straight from Pfuca in the US (a year or two ago). It _may_ be possible to get them retail in Oz now, but I doubt it. However, I'm pretty sure you can get the "official" Palm portable keyboards (as in the top link about) retail here. A friend of mine has one which I've played around with for a bit. It's not bad, though I still prefer using a Real(tm) keyboard via the HH cradle. NB. They're both very good for freaking people out and making geeks go "ooooh.... coooooool...." :) > My suggestion would be the new Sony VAIO sub-notebook or one of the new > Apple ibooks. Ever so _slightly_ more expensive and power draining, though. :) > Wayne Pete. -- http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/ -- Real programmers disdain structured programming. Structured programming is for compulsive neurotics who were prematurely toilet-trained. They wear neckties and carefully line up pencils on otherwise clear desks. From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Fri Jan 4 12:54:08 2002 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (craig at postnewspapers.com.au) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:54:08 +0800 Subject: [plug] firewalling In-Reply-To: <003001c19438$c355e3f0$0a00a8c0@3fragsleft.net> References: <003001c19438$c355e3f0$0a00a8c0@3fragsleft.net> Message-ID: <20020104045408.GA26347@geek.localnet> > Personally I hate most GUI configuration type tools for Linux. Well, with many you're never sure exactly what they're doing... > I'd turn them off and create your own script. Since you're using a 2.4 > kernel, you might as well use iptables as its far superior than ipchains > (IMHO anyway). However, one GUI tool I know of is very good. Fwbuilder is a powerful interface for creating iptables scripts if you don't want to learn all the syntax and debug the f**ing things. You keep full control over your ruleset. -- Craig Ringer IT Manager, POST Newspapers http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/ http://oberthur.dyndns.org/~craig/ GPG Key Fingerprint: AF1C ABFE 7E64 E9C8 FC27 C16E D3CE CDC0 0E93 380D -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I no longer use RedHat so I can't check now. -- Craig Ringer IT Manager, POST Newspapers http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/ http://oberthur.dyndns.org/~craig/ GPG Key Fingerprint: AF1C ABFE 7E64 E9C8 FC27 C16E D3CE CDC0 0E93 380D -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From batesy at batesy.net Fri Jan 4 13:16:02 2002 From: batesy at batesy.net (Jonathon Bates) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:16:02 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] Kernel Compilation In-Reply-To: <0201041013330J.12576@202.1.30.40> Message-ID: Thanks Steve, It now dial's and so forth, but I get the following error message: Jan 4 13:06:16 batesy pppd[865]: Serial connection established. Jan 4 13:06:16 batesy pppd[865]: Couldn't attach tty to PPP unit 0: Invalid argument Jan 4 13:06:17 batesy pppd[865]: Exit. A touch confusing, and painstakingly slow, as I am doing this all over a modem connection.... Any ideas? Cheers Batesy On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Steve Grasso wrote: > PPP (point-to-point protocol) support > and > PPP support for async serial portss > > Adjust the rest to suit, but you need these two > > Regards, > Steve > > On Friday 04 January 2002 10:02, Jonathon Bates wrote: > > Hi guys, > > I have but a simple question that is annoying the shit > > out of me! :( > > Evertime I compile a new kernel, pppd never works. > > It says that the kernal lacks pppd support. > > Can anyon tell me what I need to compile into the kernel > > to get ppp working? > > > > Cheers > > Batesy > From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Fri Jan 4 13:22:07 2002 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (craig at postnewspapers.com.au) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:22:07 +0800 Subject: [plug] X Server for MacOS Message-ID: <20020104052206.GA26898@geek.localnet> Anybody know of a MacOS 9 compatable X server at a reasonable (say, free?) price? -- Craig Ringer IT Manager, POST Newspapers http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/ http://oberthur.dyndns.org/~craig/ GPG Key Fingerprint: AF1C ABFE 7E64 E9C8 FC27 C16E D3CE CDC0 0E93 380D -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From locust at iinet.net.au Fri Jan 4 13:47:21 2002 From: locust at iinet.net.au (Andrew Francis) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:47:21 +0800 Subject: [plug] X Server for MacOS References: <20020104052206.GA26898@geek.localnet> Message-ID: <005701c194e3$47bd2630$6400a8c0@bespin> wrote: > Anybody know of a MacOS 9 compatable X server > at a reasonable (say, free?) price? Take a look at: http://www.microimages.com/freestuf/mix/ My recollection of the Windows version (dating back to 1.0, which was free, as the Mac version remains) is that it was somewhat dodgy (not a full X11R6 implementation, some fonts were screwy, etc) but it worked. If bandwidth isn't a concern, you might be better off running the VNC X server on the remote machine and a VNC client on your Mac. http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/ -- Andrew Francis locust at iinet.net.au From macro at nathan.linux-dude.net Fri Jan 4 14:19:43 2002 From: macro at nathan.linux-dude.net (Nathan Alberti) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:19:43 +0800 Subject: [plug] Services required Message-ID: <027a01c194e7$ccd76930$6401a8c0@nathan> I have a small job for someone with a company in Fremantle. The have a linux box servicing their LAN that has been hacked and needs to be reinstalled. They want it done ASAP to restore their conectivity so if anyone offering these services has the time can they please contact me and I can put you in touch with the them. Regards, -- Nathan Alberti From steveg at calm.wa.gov.au Fri Jan 4 14:52:26 2002 From: steveg at calm.wa.gov.au (Steve Grasso) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:52:26 +0800 Subject: [plug] Kernel Compilation In-Reply-To: <20020104050158.GB26347@geek.localnet> References: <20020104050158.GB26347@geek.localnet> Message-ID: <0201041452260M.12576@202.1.30.40> Hmmm....now that I think about it, I also updated modutils and pppd in addition to the kernel config. I didn't need to screw around with /etc/modules.conf though because I compiled the modules into the kernel. Batesy, YMMV. Regards, Steve On Friday 04 January 2002 13:01, craig at postnewspapers.com.au wrote: > > It means either: > > a) you didn't include PPP support > > b) you included ppp support as a module and haven't loaded it, > > and you modutils don't work you your new kernel. > > This problem was common when a RedHat 7.0 system (or other distro of > that era) was upgraded to 2.4 from 2.2 . Updating modutils and pppd > did'nt fix it, I also needed to add the following line to > /etc/modules.conf > alias ppp ppp_async > > Don't know if that was a problem with RedHat's modutils build or what. > Preloading ppp with > modprobe ppp_async > before a connect attempt also fixed it. > > I no longer use RedHat so I can't check now. ---------------------------------------- Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; charset="us-ascii"; name="Attachment: 1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: ---------------------------------------- From anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com Fri Jan 4 15:57:12 2002 From: anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com (John Knight) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 15:57:12 +0800 Subject: [plug] RealPlayer XMMS plugin Message-ID: Does it allow full-screen output? > >Hi all >I remember a while ago I asked about getting RealPlayer working with the >VIA cxCRAP AC97 Audio Controller. Well, I got it working, and as a few >others expressed having similar problems with RealPlayer's... odd... OSS >dsp handling, thought I'd mention it. > >There is an xmms plugin, rmxmms, that uses an installed copy of >RealPlayer 8 as a decoding filter or something and feeds the output >through XMMS. Good for those of you using aRts, ALSA, esd (only >technically working in realplayer), or crap OSS >drivers. > >Works wonders... and that way you can use the DiskWriter plugin to >record shows if you're not there using cron and xxms-console. *woohoo* > >Now I just have to figure out how to stream the diskwriter output to >lame or the vorbis encoder. Ideas anybody? > >URLs for plugin: >http://xmms.org/plugins_input.html >ftp://ftp.xmms.org/xmms/plugins/rmxmms/libreal.so >ftp://ftp.xmms.org/xmms/plugins/rmxmms/ > >-- >Craig Ringer >IT Manager, POST Newspapers >http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/ http://oberthur.dyndns.org/~craig/ >GPG Key Fingerprint: AF1C ABFE 7E64 E9C8 FC27 C16E D3CE CDC0 0E93 380D ><< attach3 >> _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From gilksjm at iinet.net.au Fri Jan 4 15:43:43 2002 From: gilksjm at iinet.net.au (J Michael Gilks) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:43:43 +0800 Subject: [plug] Services required In-Reply-To: <027a01c194e7$ccd76930$6401a8c0@nathan> References: <027a01c194e7$ccd76930$6401a8c0@nathan> Message-ID: <20020104085915.EA6247A4A@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Try Linux Services WA at http://www.linuxwa.com.au On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:19, Nathan Alberti wrote: > I have a small job for someone with a company in Fremantle. The have a > linux box servicing their LAN that has been hacked and needs to be > reinstalled. They want it done ASAP to restore their conectivity so if > anyone offering these services has the time can they please contact me and > I can put you in touch with the them. > > Regards, From solhanna at dingoblue.net.au Fri Jan 4 22:26:53 2002 From: solhanna at dingoblue.net.au (Sol) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 22:26:53 +0800 Subject: [plug] simple Apache Q Message-ID: <3C35BBAD.8070608@dingoblue.net.au> Hi guys, I've just been getting stuck into learning some PHP and would like to do more experimenting on my box. So I read some docs and apt-got apache-perl plus the php4 modules so I could parse .php pages locally. However, when I tried to connect to http://localhost/ I was refused. Investigation led me to (the bleeding obvious) conclusion that the httpd wasn't running. "apachectl fullstatus" told me that this was because the "ServerName" in httpd.conf had not been set. I was tempted to change this to "localhost" or my localhostname but the docs told me not touch this unless I knew what I was doing, which clearly I don't. ;-) I know that this is supposed to be a proper, registered name and IP address for machines serving the internet, but is there a simple way I can get this serving locally so that I can save pages to /var/www and parse them to the browser client? Thanks, Sol From skribe at amber.com.au Fri Jan 4 22:37:50 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:37:50 +0800 Subject: [plug] simple Apache Q In-Reply-To: <3C35BBAD.8070608@dingoblue.net.au> References: <3C35BBAD.8070608@dingoblue.net.au> Message-ID: <02010422375004.29113@oberon.amber.com.au> Do you have something like this in your /etc/hosts? 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 Is there life before breakfast? From ryan at prodigital.net.au Fri Jan 4 22:38:44 2002 From: ryan at prodigital.net.au (Ryan) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 22:38:44 +0800 Subject: [plug] simple Apache Q In-Reply-To: <3C35BBAD.8070608@dingoblue.net.au> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020104223704.00a4bd20@10.10.10.1> ServerName localhost or ServerName 127.0.0.1 and a restart of apache should be fine to get it going, you can't do any damage changing this setting. Ryan At 10:26 PM 04-01-02 +0800, you wrote: >Hi guys, > >I've just been getting stuck into learning some PHP and would like to do >more experimenting on my box. So I read some docs and apt-got apache-perl >plus the php4 modules so I could parse .php pages locally. However, when I >tried to connect to http://localhost/ I was refused. Investigation led me >to (the bleeding obvious) conclusion that the httpd wasn't running. >"apachectl fullstatus" told me that this was because the "ServerName" in >httpd.conf had not been set. I was tempted to change this to "localhost" >or my localhostname but the docs told me not touch this unless I knew what >I was doing, which clearly I don't. ;-) >I know that this is supposed to be a proper, registered name and IP >address for machines serving the internet, but is there a simple way I can >get this serving locally so that I can save pages to /var/www and parse >them to the browser client? > >Thanks, > >Sol From jensz at wn.com.au Fri Jan 4 22:40:40 2002 From: jensz at wn.com.au (Ben Jensz) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:40:40 +0800 Subject: [plug] simple Apache Q In-Reply-To: <3C35BBAD.8070608@dingoblue.net.au> Message-ID: <000001c1952d$c84d7170$0a00a8c0@3fragsleft.net> If you're on the machine which is running Apache, just put "127.0.0.1" as the ServerName. Thats doesn't bind it to an interface though, it makes redirects etc work properly. If that machine is also connected to the net directly, I'd bind it to the localhost interface, so it only listens on 127.0.0.1 so you don't get some "1337 h at x0r" script kiddie trying to pull something. Personally I compile both Apache and PHP from source, because there are a lot of useful bits and pieces in both Apache and PHP that most packages don't compile in (just make sure you enable mod_so (DSO support) if you compile Apache from source so PHP works with it). / Ben -----Original Message----- From: Sol [mailto:solhanna at dingoblue.net.au] Sent: Friday, 4 January 2002 10:27 PM To: plug at plug.linux.org.au Subject: [plug] simple Apache Q Hi guys, I've just been getting stuck into learning some PHP and would like to do more experimenting on my box. So I read some docs and apt-got apache-perl plus the php4 modules so I could parse .php pages locally. However, when I tried to connect to http://localhost/ I was refused. Investigation led me to (the bleeding obvious) conclusion that the httpd wasn't running. "apachectl fullstatus" told me that this was because the "ServerName" in httpd.conf had not been set. I was tempted to change this to "localhost" or my localhostname but the docs told me not touch this unless I knew what I was doing, which clearly I don't. ;-) I know that this is supposed to be a proper, registered name and IP address for machines serving the internet, but is there a simple way I can get this serving locally so that I can save pages to /var/www and parse them to the browser client? Thanks, Sol From solhanna at dingoblue.net.au Fri Jan 4 22:46:39 2002 From: solhanna at dingoblue.net.au (Sol) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 22:46:39 +0800 Subject: [plug] simple Apache Q References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020104223704.00a4bd20@10.10.10.1> Message-ID: <3C35C04F.2040705@dingoblue.net.au> Ryan wrote: > > > ServerName 127.0.0.1 > > Too easy! Thanks Ryan (and skribe and Ben) for superprompt replies. Much appreciated, Sol From batesy at batesy.net Fri Jan 4 23:21:46 2002 From: batesy at batesy.net (Jonathon Bates) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:21:46 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] Kernel Compilation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks guys! :) Got it all working now! Funny, ive recompiled many a kernel before, and I have never had to worry about PPP! Thanks heaps! :) Cheers Batesy From batesy at batesy.net Fri Jan 4 23:24:47 2002 From: batesy at batesy.net (Jonathon Bates) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:24:47 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] mplayer was(Re:Window Managers) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mplayer seems to be really really really good! Only problem I have is that i can't get any divx vids to play. I have downloaded the codec's but I don't know where to put them. Can anyone offer any suggestions? As I have had a good good look on their site, and had no luck on what I am to do with these dll files and so forth. Ideas? Cheers batesy From arkem at mornmist.2y.net Fri Jan 4 23:25:12 2002 From: arkem at mornmist.2y.net (Paul Chamberlain) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:25:12 +0800 Subject: [plug] mplayer was(Re:Window Managers) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:24, Jonathon Bates wrote: > Mplayer seems to be really really really good! > Only problem I have is that i can't get any divx vids to play. > I have downloaded the codec's but I don't know where to put them. > Can anyone offer any suggestions? > As I have had a good good look on their site, and had no luck on > what I am to do with these dll files and so forth. > Ideas? > RTFM (just kiddin) ^_^ If you're talking about the win32 codecs put them in /usr/lib/win32 you'll probably have to recompile and install the program for it to affect things though. Hopes this helps, Paul C From ian.kent at pobox.com Sat Jan 5 08:43:26 2002 From: ian.kent at pobox.com (raven) Date: 05 Jan 2002 08:43:26 +0800 Subject: [plug] firewalling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1010191406.1522.8.camel@raven> Another thing came to mind. On Wed, 2002-01-02 at 18:18, stephen shah wrote: > /sbin/ipchains -A input -i ! lo -l -j DENY This should log all packet denied messages for all interfaces except lo to /var/log/messages. What do you get in there. From ian.kent at pobox.com Sat Jan 5 08:29:16 2002 From: ian.kent at pobox.com (Ian Kent) Date: 05 Jan 2002 08:29:16 +0800 Subject: [plug] firewalling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1010190557.1522.2.camel@raven> On Thu, 2002-01-03 at 16:27, stephen shah wrote: > thanz 4 the reply raven, > > I guess I should have included my rc.masq script as well > but the prob is that side works fine > > Its only when I run the rc.firwall script that ipforwarding no longer works, > cant ssh into the box etc > flush the the ipchain ruleset and presto, ipforwarding working oks again > > anyways, I think I might try iptables c if that solves my problem > > ps r u a q3 player, I am sure I have seen your nic b4 , just cant remember > where, maybe at a uwalan frag fest ;) > > So post the output of an ifconfig command with the machine not working. From ian.kent at pobox.com Sat Jan 5 08:26:19 2002 From: ian.kent at pobox.com (Ian Kent) Date: 05 Jan 2002 08:26:19 +0800 Subject: [plug] firewalling In-Reply-To: <003001c19438$c355e3f0$0a00a8c0@3fragsleft.net> References: <003001c19438$c355e3f0$0a00a8c0@3fragsleft.net> Message-ID: <1010190381.1522.0.camel@raven> On Thu, 2002-01-03 at 17:26, Ben Jensz wrote: > Those "ipchains" and "iptables" scripts are used to run a script created > by some GUI interface for creating a firewall. That's not right. I use the ipchains rc script. The function of the ipchains service is: a) once happy with a set of firewall rules use /etc/init.d/ipchains save to save it to /etc/sysconfig/ipchains. b) restore that same configuration at system startup and shutdown. c) as always you can start and stop (ie flush and set default policy to accept) the service. Works well for me. > > Personally I hate most GUI configuration type tools for Linux. > > I'd turn them off and create your own script. Since you're using a 2.4 > kernel, you might as well use iptables as its far superior than ipchains > (IMHO anyway). Yes. Would be good to rework my filter rules. > > > / Ben > From cottmain at yahoo.com.au Sat Jan 5 09:16:13 2002 From: cottmain at yahoo.com.au (Daniel) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 09:16:13 +0800 Subject: [plug] OT Any ISPs allow intelligent Spam filtering? In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020103212029.027b3eb8@144.135.24.13> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020105085534.01e1be78@144.135.24.13> Hi Gavin and Plug, excellent explanation - thank you. Back to the drawing board on filtering my own mail (I'll draft a question for plug) Regards, Daniel. At 08:28 4/01/2002 +0800, Gavin Rogers wrote: >On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Daniel wrote: > >.. snip ... can anyone tell me of an isp > > that offers a comprehensive spam filtering service (like those below)? > >Hello Daniel, > >Very few ISPs will filter spam as a general rule. If mail bombed by one >source, then, of course, all ISPs will block the offender, but your >average every-day spam usually is left be and ISPs aren't willing to >change this anytime soon. > >One reason is that of performance. ISPs get a lot of email :-) Spam >filtering and/or virus scanning every email would just kill performance. >That leads to angry support calls. Anyone who has ever worked in a call >centre can agree with me here - those sorts of calls are the worst kind! > >Even for the small email installation we have at work, servicing about 70 >users, we receive about 3000 emails a day. exim + exiscan + mcafee + a few >spam rules takes about 3 seconds of time on a Celeron 266 (on average) to >scan each email. That's 150 minutes/day that our email server uses up >scanning for viruses and spam. > >Take an ISP, with 5000 users. Every user, every day, receives 5 emails >(say). That's 25,000 * 3 seconds = about 20 hours. Ouch. Large ISPs can >hardly write the received emails to disk fast enough without also having >to process them... > >The other sticky problem is that of liability. For your home and family >email, it probably doesn't matter a great deal if a bit of spam got >through or worse, a legit email was killed off as spam accidentally. For >an ISP, they just can't do this! Customers would complain about receiving >spam on their 'filtered' service, and customers would start threatening >with legal nastiness if an email was ever deleted that shouldn't have. > >So, ISPs leave their customer's email alone and recommend they use virus >scanning and spam filters of their own. Some have a @staff.isp.com.au >sub-domain for staff email which is checked. I guess the ISP feels happy >being resposibile for their own email... >--- >Gavin Rogers | Amateur radio station VK6HGR >grogers at vk6hgr.echidna.id.au | http://vk6hgr.echidna.id.au:800/ From anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com Sat Jan 5 14:12:51 2002 From: anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com (John Knight) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 14:12:51 +0800 Subject: [plug] mplayer was(Re:Window Managers) Message-ID: If this doesn't work, try /usr/local/lib. Have you downloaded the OpenDivx codec? that's got much better performance and you can switch to it if you like by adding -vc odivx. It doesn't play all divxs so use the win32 codecs as a fallback. anarchist tomato > >If you're talking about the win32 codecs put them in /usr/lib/win32 >you'll probably have to recompile and install the program for it to >affect things though. > >Hopes this helps, >Paul C > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From cottmain at yahoo.com.au Sat Jan 5 15:51:22 2002 From: cottmain at yahoo.com.au (Daniel) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 15:51:22 +0800 Subject: [plug] E-mail Setup for spam filtering - Fetchmail-Procmail-ASK-Kmail ? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020103212029.027b3eb8@144.135.24.13> References: <200201030831.g038VIn17970@roo.perthix.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020105154315.01e37c28@144.135.24.13> Hi Plug, Spam is driving me crazy. Can't filter it at isp. How about the following? A 'mostly on' connection to grab my mail then filter it [if my machine goes down the mail will just build up at the isp]. Added benefits could be - mail stored locally using IMAP so it could be accessed by other machines and o/s. Maildir format for stability and I'm guessing the 'each e-mail is a separate file' means that e-mails can be archived to cd and then perhaps searched direct on cd. I need to find out what's required and the best/simplest way to set it up. Tasks: Grab the mail from the isp - Getmail [mail retriever with reliable Maildir. Does not need an MTA- but what about Anti spam filtering?] or - Fetchmail [needs an MTA. Then allows all your system MTA's filtering, forwarding, and aliasing facilities to work just as they would on normal mail.] Mail Transfer Agent - Procmail [mail processing - seems to be used by good anti-spam scripts] or Qmail or Exim or Sendmail Anti-Spam Scripts [pointers greatly appreciated] Spambouncer- seems very thorough and to have quite a following and be updated regularly ... Procmail focused. Active Spam Killer (ASK)- likewise seems good. Procmail focused. Mail User Agent - Gui - Gnome - Evolution, or KDE - Kmail [needs to be able to deal with maildir file format]. How about - Fetchmail-Procmail-Ask-Kmail? Am I heading in the right direction? TIA, Daniel. From kevins at wn.com.au Sat Jan 5 16:24:22 2002 From: kevins at wn.com.au (Kevin Shackleton) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 16:24:22 +0800 Subject: [plug] Installing RH7.1 with Adaptec 1542 SCSI card References: <3C35BBAD.8070608@dingoblue.net.au> Message-ID: <3C36B836.338B26C4@wn.com.au> Hi there, I have an oldish Acer PC (P75) which has a non-PNP ISA SCSI hard drive and no IDE hard drive. I can specify the SCSI card under RH6, and Mandrake 7.1 finds it, but RH7.1 does not find it. Even in Expert install mode does not come up with a place to set up a SCSI card, though it does let you put in a driver disc. Any ideas on setting up a driver disc that actually works, or entering options after the "expert" on the lilo boot? Thanks K. From garbuck at tpg.com.au Sat Jan 5 16:54:35 2002 From: garbuck at tpg.com.au (garry) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:54:35 +0800 Subject: [plug] E-mail Setup for spam filtering - Fetchmail-Procmail-ASK-Kmail ? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020105154315.01e37c28@144.135.24.13> References: <200201030831.g038VIn17970@roo.perthix.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020105154315.01e37c28@144.135.24.13> Message-ID: <200201050856.g058uA004562@bleys.tpgi.com.au> Hi Daniel, Kmail has built in filtering, which can send stuff to Oblivion(tm) once you have a set of logical operations established. This is the lowest tech and simplest to implement I can think of atm.. Finding a pattern of From: addresses or Subject: [contains] might work over a fairly short period.. eg if From: contains [adserver.com, hitbox.*, ms*.com] if Subject: contains [tits, $$, f*ck] Have had a quick look at kmail inbox format, it is a single text file format. If you are not a Kmail user, you could do the same thing with more difficulty using Perl, assuming the mailbox is still in single file format.. eg (using Kmail's names) Copy the "~/Mail/inbox" file to "~/Mail/inbox2" Perform rules as above on "~/Mail/inbox2". copy "~/Mail/inbox2" to "~/Mail//inbox" but implementing it is tough if you are not a Perl expert... I am not. Something to think about.. Garry. From batesy at batesy.net Sat Jan 5 20:37:12 2002 From: batesy at batesy.net (Jonathon Bates) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 20:37:12 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] mplayer was(Re:Window Managers) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks to all for the help! I have a bad feeling that I wont be able to get it to work, as I have upgraded X, upgraded my nvidia drivers, and still it does not play the files. I am guessing its a problem with nvidia drivers and mplayer......... argh well! I start mplayer with the following environment calls: mplayer -gui -vo x11 -vc wmv8 I get the following output... (cut down obviously) VO: [x11] 320x240 => 320x240 BGR 32-bit Sharing memory. AO: [oss] 32000Hz Stereo Signed 16-bit (Little-Endian) ao2: 32000 Hz 2 chans Signed 16-bit (Little-Endian) Can't open audio device /dev/dsp -> nosound couldn't open/init audio device -> NOSOUND Audio: no sound!!! Start playing... MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: decode_video vo: uninit! [mplayer] exit. [gtk] exit. gtk killed... *** free_stream() called *** Any ideas? Cheers batesy > If this doesn't work, try /usr/local/lib. Have you downloaded the OpenDivx > codec? that's got much better performance and you can switch to it if you > like by adding -vc odivx. It doesn't play all divxs so use the win32 codecs > as a fallback. > > anarchist tomato > > > > >If you're talking about the win32 codecs put them in /usr/lib/win32 > >you'll probably have to recompile and install the program for it to > >affect things though. > > > >Hopes this helps, > >Paul C > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > From leon at brooks.fdns.net Sat Jan 5 20:43:04 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 20:43:04 +0800 Subject: [plug] Editing help now required for conf video Message-ID: <20020105124406.30BEF3251EC@mail.old-firestation.net> We will be looking for video editing help for the 2003 conference promo videotape. I can rip the tapes easily on a Macintosh but it may be that the formats aren't convenient for your editing software. We will also be discussing what other footage we need for the Perth-is-great promo clip. If you're at all interested, join the conf list (OTTOMH conf-subscribe at plug.linux.org.au, please correct if wrong) noisily and/or turn up to the Blue Duck cafe on the beachfront in Cottesloe at 9AM tomorrow (Sunday 06Jan2002). Cheers; Leon From pete at akira.apana.org.au Sat Jan 5 21:01:17 2002 From: pete at akira.apana.org.au (Peter Wright) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:01:17 +0800 Subject: [plug] mplayer was(Re:Window Managers) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020105210117.A25437@chef.flooble.net.au> On Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 08:37:12PM +0800, Jonathon Bates wrote: > Thanks to all for the help! > I have a bad feeling that I wont be able to get it to work, as I have > upgraded X, upgraded my nvidia drivers, and still it does not play the > files. > I am guessing its a problem with nvidia drivers and mplayer......... > argh well! If you're still unable to get it working, I can suggest trying xine instead (just for something completely different :). xine is probably best known as a DVD player, but it's a great general video file player and that includes DivX (using either opendivx or the binary-only Linux/DivX). I used MPlayer a long time ago but have been using xine exclusively for my video needs for the past year or so. ...well, except for my sporadic use of the Quicktime player via the Wine-based Crossover :). Pete. -- http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/ -- The goal of Computer Science is to build something that will last at least until we've finished building it. From leon at brooks.fdns.net Sat Jan 5 22:12:26 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 22:12:26 +0800 Subject: [plug] Putting things into perspective Message-ID: <20020105141329.147B43251EC@mail.old-firestation.net> Worth quoting in your next job application: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-01-04-010-20-NW-BZ-MS-0040 Cheers; Leon From leon at brooks.fdns.net Sat Jan 5 22:17:50 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 22:17:50 +0800 Subject: [plug] Putting things into perspective (full text for archives) In-Reply-To: <20020105141329.147B43251EC@mail.old-firestation.net> References: <20020105141329.147B43251EC@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: <20020105141852.27052325879@mail.old-firestation.net> On Saturday 05 January 2002 22:12, Leon Brooks wrote: > Worth quoting in your next job application: > http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-01-04-010-20-NW-BZ-MS-0040 Full text for our archives: --------8<----cut-here----8<-------- > Everywhere you look a business saves money on Linux based systems. > 1) No license cost. No audits. No lawyers. > 2) Nobody paid to maintain license records. (No hassles with vendors > over licesnes) > 3) No (required) system hardware/software upgrades. Upgrade when you > like as much as you like. > 4) Reduced administrator costs, many fewer somewhat more expensive > admins still reduces the budget. (OK look at the fully burdened > cost - benefits, space, equipment, utilities - of each admin and > then compare) > 5) Minimal end user training costs. Moving to Linux is as easy as > moving to Windows XP. > 6) Much improved security - fewer costly security incidents > 7) Much improved system up time, lower cost of offline systems. > 8) Reduce time lost while waiting for the system to (re)boot. > 9) Reduced cost of recovering lost work after crashes. (Doesn't crash > as often) > 10) Dramatically reduced virus threat greatly reduces cleanup cost. No > more Outlook and IIS virus problems. No more macro viruses in word > docs. No more cost to recover from these problems. > 11) Reduced programming cost. There is a lot to be saved here: > a) there is a lot of source code available. This can be used as the > basis of a project or as sample code for how to solve various > problems. > b) extending a large program for a modest new feature is easier than > writing and qualifying a new program > c) bothersome bugs can be fixed, you have the source. Limits the need > for costly workarounds and related instability. > 12) better networking actually saves money. Admins can remotely > administer systems. Things connect better and with fewer problems. > 13) excellent support (at potential savings) from a variety of sources, > not just one source. Actually, how often do you really use the > support that you buy? With products that work better, you will > need less. > 14) You own your data and the systems and software needed to store and > process it. No vendor turn off your software or prevent access to > your data. > 15) No vendor can force you into new unwanted license arrangements and > unwanted upgrades. This also limits instability and related costs > during the upgrades. > There are a lot more savings if you stop to think about it for a while. > The ONLY reason not to change to Linux is the "fear of change" that > grips people. Add to this that a reasonably sized company of only 200 people hiring an onsite programmer is still cheaper than outfitting them all with the latest Windows and Office Suite (200 x $100 upgrade for OS [discounting any hardware upgrade] + 200 x $150 [simple number for Office Suite upgrade] = $50,000, or about the cost of one programmer to work on the specific free/open source features your company NEEDS. Combine that with the Open Source development method, and everyone benefits -- except software companies. --------8<----cut-here----8<-------- Cheers; Leon From batesy at batesy.net Sun Jan 6 00:02:37 2002 From: batesy at batesy.net (Jonathon Bates) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 00:02:37 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] mplayer was(Re:Window Managers) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Can't open audio device /dev/dsp -> nosound > couldn't open/init audio device -> NOSOUND > Audio: no sound!!! > Start playing... > > MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: decode_video > vo: uninit! > [mplayer] exit. > [gtk] exit. > gtk killed... > *** free_stream() called *** The really cool thing at the moment, is that AVI's are playing fine and dandy on my machine using SDL. mplayer -vo sdl /home/mathew/birdie.avi Just when i goto play a wmv8 file i get it dying on me. I guess it must just be a problem with the codec itself. For I am confuddled. Cheers batesy From fostware at iinet.net.au Sun Jan 6 03:02:00 2002 From: fostware at iinet.net.au (Craig Foster) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 03:02:00 +0800 Subject: [plug] KaZaA for linux Message-ID: Being the cynical bastard I am :) I don't trust precompiled P2P programs on my machine. I've got audiogalaxy running fine in it's own chroot, but I can't get KaZaA to run properly in it's own chroot... I've run ldd to find out what libs are required, I've run lsof -c kza to find files opened by kazaa (kza is the executable) and I've also run it from a bash shell (with libs) just to be sure (no change). The symptoms are simple. I login in with a valid username/password pair and it pauses for 1/4 sec and then seg faults, leaving a 21MB core file and a smile. I've added libresolv* and libnss_* to the ./lib/ and resolv.conf to ./etc/ to be safe , but still no luck. What I think is left is to use the core file, but I've generally stayed away from anything that produces core files (as a sign of dodgey programmng usually :) If anyone can suggest things to look at, or a quick explanation of what to do with the core file, that someone who isn't the original programmer can fathom, it would be much appreciated. Thanks, Craig Foster -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 2228 bytes Desc: not available URL: From wayne.vovil at ausi.com Sun Jan 6 08:49:41 2002 From: wayne.vovil at ausi.com (Wayne Vovil) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:49:41 -0800 Subject: [plug] KaZaA for linux Message-ID: <200201060049.g060nfi00740@mail1.bigmailbox.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From pete at akira.apana.org.au Sun Jan 6 09:21:45 2002 From: pete at akira.apana.org.au (Peter Wright) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:21:45 +0800 Subject: [plug] KaZaA for linux In-Reply-To: <200201060049.g060nfi00740@mail1.bigmailbox.com> References: <200201060049.g060nfi00740@mail1.bigmailbox.com> Message-ID: <20020106092145.A27476@chef.flooble.net.au> On Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 04:49:41PM -0800, Wayne Vovil wrote: > Hi > > Sorry I can't suggest anything myself. But could you tell me what Kaza is > and what you mean by "in its own chroot"? http://www.kazaa.com/ Shocking page, does a sodding browser version check with Javascript *roll of eyes*[0]. Had to turn off Javascript to look at the page. God I hate sites that do that. I think it's essentially a "peer-to-peer" filesharing program. Much like Napster or Gnutella clients, but uses its own protocol. For a brief comparison between Kazaa and a couple of alternatives Google gave me: http://www.speedclock.com/kazaa-aimster-bearshare/ man chroot Essentially, chroot ("change root") is a way to run a program in a fake "root" directory. A useful security technique - it means the program will not be able to access anything outside its given "root". Can be a good idea for certain network services... and for any program you simply don't trust :). > Wayne Pete. [0] "You need to download a version 4 or later browser." Well shit, good thing I looked at your page, I'd never have known otherwise. :-] -- http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/ -- There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies and the other is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. -- C.A.R. Hoare From batesy at batesy.net Sun Jan 6 10:45:16 2002 From: batesy at batesy.net (Jonathon Bates) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:45:16 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] mplayer was(Re:Window Managers) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Just when i goto play a wmv8 file i get it dying on me. > I guess it must just be a problem with the codec itself. For I am > confuddled. Ive got all but hte wmv7 and wmv8 codec's working! Better than nothing i guess! Cheers batesy From ryan at prodigital.net.au Sun Jan 6 13:03:57 2002 From: ryan at prodigital.net.au (Ryan) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 13:03:57 +0800 Subject: [plug] Building Debian packages (.deb) Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020106125353.00ab8430@10.10.10.1> Hi folks, I'm toying around trying to make a Debian package for a perl script I wrote, i have found this site: http://people.debian.org/~jaldhar/make_package1.html but it demonstrates how to build a package using C source, not init.d scripts and no config files. My entire package should end up installing: /usr/bin/mp3stream.pl /etc/mp3stream.conf /etc/init.d/mp3stream and I can not find and good tutorials on how to do this. Using 'debuild' I can successfully get it to make an empty .deb file after I botched together my own Makefile, but I can't get the config or init.d files involved. Anyone got a better site or their own experience on doing this? TIA, Ryan From jason at mindsocket.com.au Sun Jan 6 14:08:56 2002 From: jason at mindsocket.com.au (Jason Nicholls) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:08:56 +0800 Subject: [plug] mplayer was(Re:Window Managers) In-Reply-To: ; from batesy@batesy.net on Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 10:45:16AM +0800 References: Message-ID: <20020106140856.C1060@nikita.vic.bigpond.net.au> On Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 10:45:16AM +0800, Jonathon Bates wrote: > > > > Just when i goto play a wmv8 file i get it dying on me. > > I guess it must just be a problem with the codec itself. For I am > > confuddled. > > Ive got all but hte wmv7 and wmv8 codec's working! > Better than nothing i guess! Have you tried using a diff video out target. I guess by default you'd be using xv or dga? try x11 (eg: mplayer -vo x11) and see if that works. Later, Jason Nicholls -------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Nicholls icq: 11745841 email: Proprietor mobile: 0417 410 811 Mind Socket [web services] http://www.mindsocket.com.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- From batesy at batesy.net Sun Jan 6 14:57:01 2002 From: batesy at batesy.net (Jonathon Bates) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:57:01 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] mplayer was(Re:Window Managers) In-Reply-To: <20020106140856.C1060@nikita.vic.bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: > > Ive got all but hte wmv7 and wmv8 codec's working! > > Better than nothing i guess! > > Have you tried using a diff video out target. I guess by default you'd be > using xv or dga? try x11 (eg: mplayer -vo x11) and see if that works. Yeah surely have. I have tried every concoction(sp) of the bloody thing, all to no avail! Its a pain! :( Cya batesy From fostware at iinet.net.au Sun Jan 6 16:43:38 2002 From: fostware at iinet.net.au (Craig Foster) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:43:38 +0800 Subject: [plug] KaZaA for linux In-Reply-To: <200201060049.g060nfi00740@mail1.bigmailbox.com> Message-ID: background... KaZaA is a peer-to-peer file sharing system like napster. It uses ncursors to display on a text terminal. It runs on port 1214 and talks to the main server to do searches for files. chroot is best given by example. if I put program KZA in /chroot, along with all the libraries necessary for KZA to run - recreating /lib, /usr/lib, /bin, /etc, /tmp *relative* to /chroot (eg /chroot/lib, /chroot/usr/lib, etc), I can then run "chroot /chroot /bin/KZA" and then KZA will only be able to see /lib, /usr/lib, etc ... but in reality it will be seeing /chroot/lib, etc. That way if someone hacks KZA, they can only EVER see what's in chroot, even if they have shell access... Very useful in instances such as bind 8, as a buffer overflow will kill named and run a command, but as the shell (named) has stopped, it will restart. But If it doesn't restart, the person can see my DNS records and THAT'S IT. Regards, Craig Foster -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 2228 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kuiperba at cs.curtin.edu.au Sun Jan 6 17:06:54 2002 From: kuiperba at cs.curtin.edu.au (Beau Kuiper) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:06:54 +0800 Subject: [plug] KaZaA for linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh, Chroot DOES not work correctly unless you drop root permissions COMPLETELY after performing a chroot. Root can break out of a chroot jail via 1) create a new directory 2) chroot to the new directory (now the current directory is outside of the processes chroot jail) 3) repetitively run cd .. until you think you are in the real root directory 4) run chroot . So, make sure you lose the root account after doing your chroot, otherwise chroot is useless. Beau Kuiper kuiperba at cs.curtin.edu.au On Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:43, Craig Foster wrote: > background... > > KaZaA is a peer-to-peer file sharing system like napster. It uses ncursors > to display on a text terminal. > It runs on port 1214 and talks to the main server to do searches for > files. > > chroot is best given by example. if I put program KZA in /chroot, along > with all the libraries necessary for KZA to run - recreating /lib, > /usr/lib, /bin, /etc, /tmp *relative* to /chroot (eg /chroot/lib, > /chroot/usr/lib, etc), I can then run "chroot /chroot /bin/KZA" and then > KZA will only be able to see /lib, /usr/lib, etc ... but in reality it > will be seeing /chroot/lib, etc. > > That way if someone hacks KZA, they can only EVER see what's in chroot, > even if they have shell access... > > Very useful in instances such as bind 8, as a buffer overflow will kill > named and run a command, but as the shell (named) has stopped, it will > restart. But If it doesn't restart, the person can see my DNS records and > THAT'S IT. > > Regards, > > Craig Foster From anne at busby.net Sun Jan 6 18:49:05 2002 From: anne at busby.net (Anne Busby) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:49:05 +0800 (W. Australia Standard Time) Subject: [plug] Debian install - network card Message-ID: Hi all, I am trying to install debian on to a box with out an CD. I have get the base system installed, using floppies, but it will not install my network card so I can get the rest of it (HTTP the cd from the server). The card is SMC EtherCard Plus Elite 16 (wd/8013ep). I know that module 8390 needs to be loaded before the wd module. The network card settings (io and irq) under dos are not accepted. How do I find out what IO port and IRQ it is under linux. The card jumps are set to 'soft' for the config, if this is any help. Also, the modem is on the server, so the apt the web direct is not an option at the moment. TIA Anne Busby E-Mail: anne at busby.net Web: http://www.busby.net From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Sun Jan 6 18:49:20 2002 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 10:49:20 +0000 Subject: [plug] KaZaA for linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020106104624.009aeb60@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Just a note on this KazaA thing, Craig. The PLUG page today points to a /. article claiming that KaZaR has spyware clipped on. Don't know if that applies to your compiled Linux version tho'. See: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/01/05/2220242 All the best Harry From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Sun Jan 6 20:23:27 2002 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 12:23:27 +0000 Subject: [plug] Debian install - network card In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020106120114.00994430@decisions-and-designs.com.au> At 10:49 6/01/02 , you wrote: >Hi all, > >I am trying to install debian on to a box with out an CD. >I have get the base system installed, using floppies, but it will not >install my network card so I can get the rest of it (HTTP the cd from the >server). > >The card is SMC EtherCard Plus Elite 16 (wd/8013ep). > >I know that module 8390 needs to be loaded before the wd module. The >network card settings (io and irq) under dos are not accepted. > >How do I find out what IO port and IRQ it is under linux. Hi Anne I was struggling with the same install requirement and an ISA card that I didn't know it's settings. I avoided the whole Plug and Pray fiasco by swapping in a 10M PCI network card which the potato distro (2.2r4) was happy to just find and use after installing the third driver floppy when asked. Hang on ... ok I just checked and I was wrong ... I've rebooted the machine using the Rescue floppy (really the boot floppy) and it saw the Realtek network card at this boot up so it doesn't even need to get to the driver floppy. The Realtek is an NE2000 clone but being PCI the ne2k-pci.c code happily finds and reports it. The floppy set I built from the images on the potato distro were the "compact" version which makes me think that the NE2000 support must be common to each of the boot floppy sets. So, if you can put your hands on a PCI network card or two and boot up with the rescue disks until you see that it has found the network card it should be plain sailing. I used to scroll back through the screen text because the machine I'm playing with reports spurious floppy interrupts for some strange reason and spews a few pages of debug boomph onto the screen before asking for the Root floppy. After getting the machine booted, I mounted the CD and sym linked it to my server's Apache www directory, told the install machine the IP number of my Apache server and away it went doing the base install. Because debian is setup to install over HTTP, the HTTP install progress screen is much more informative that the NFS I was using earlier. I was impressed :) See how you go .. any grief .. praps give me a hoi. All the best Harry From anne at busby.net Sun Jan 6 21:16:30 2002 From: anne at busby.net (Anne Busby) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:16:30 +0800 (W. Australia Standard Time) Subject: [plug] Debian install - network card In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020106120114.00994430@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: Anne Busby E-Mail: anne at busby.net Web: http://www.busby.net On Sun, 6 Jan 2002, Harry McNally wrote: > At 10:49 6/01/02 , you wrote: > > >Hi all, > > > >I am trying to install debian on to a box with out an CD. > >I have get the base system installed, using floppies, but it will not > >install my network card so I can get the rest of it (HTTP the cd from the > >server). > > > >The card is SMC EtherCard Plus Elite 16 (wd/8013ep). > > > >I know that module 8390 needs to be loaded before the wd module. The > >network card settings (io and irq) under dos are not accepted. > > > >How do I find out what IO port and IRQ it is under linux. > > So, if you can put your hands on a PCI network card or two and boot up with > the rescue disks until you see that it has found the network card it should > be plain sailing. Unfortunately the machine is a 468 without any PCI slots > All the best > Harry I have discovered a utility called isapnp, which is meant to config ISA pnp devices - will this fix my problem - does any one know how to use it. The card has jumpers for specific configurations as well as the 'soft' option, would I be better change the jump to a specific configuration ? Thanks, Anne From garbuck at tpg.com.au Sun Jan 6 21:14:22 2002 From: garbuck at tpg.com.au (garry) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:14:22 +0800 Subject: [plug] Debian install - network card In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200201061313.g06DDtn27645@bleys.tpgi.com.au> The jumpers would be a good place to start. Note the settings, and check if they conflict with other bits in the box. If no conflicts, you might need to pass these settings in a config file, or a insmod call for testing. Otherwise look for a combo of settings that'll work. HTH Garry. > The card has jumpers for specific configurations as well as the 'soft' > option, would I be better change the jump to a specific configuration ? From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Sun Jan 6 21:47:09 2002 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 13:47:09 +0000 Subject: [plug] The member promotion brochure Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020106131432.009a62d0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Folks After a request from James B that we have a brochure to promote PLUG, I've created a document that was subject to vigorous scrutiny and editing at the conf2003 meeting this morning. The document may now be downloaded as either pdf or postscript from: http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~decdes/member.pdf and http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~decdes/member.ps The intention is that interested PLUGers will grab the document, print a few off (it's double sided) and triple fold the A4 landscape page into a DL envelope size and put them in the brochure trays of your local library. We printed ours on "Tux beak yellow" paper, we use Australian Paper, Optix, Tera Yellow for our fax paper because it screams "I'M A FAX PAGE" from 50 paces. Fortuitously, Tux has a beak that screams "I'm Tux" from a similar distance. If I'm not mistaken, this paper is a pretty standard 80 gsm ream from OfficeWorks but should be available elsewhere. Of course, If lime green's your favourite colour or white says "I'm on a budget" please go right ahead :) It's the message that matters. The final DL size is a portrait format with Tux visible at the top of the front page so he can peep over the brochure retaining panel when it is not transparent acrylic. btw, if there are any loud and obvious errors .. do let me know. Above all else .. have fun :-) Harry ps scribe, do you want to copy this across to the PLUG site ? pps we might need to get our TAFE venue finalised or we could look a bit silly ppps there is no phone contact number. I can add one if a willing volunteer takes one pace forward .... From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Sun Jan 6 22:00:18 2002 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 14:00:18 +0000 Subject: [plug] Debian install - network card In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20020106120114.00994430@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020106134731.009a3500@decisions-and-designs.com.au> At 01:16 6/01/02 , you wrote: >Anne Busby >E-Mail: anne at busby.net >Web: http://www.busby.net > >On Sun, 6 Jan 2002, Harry McNally wrote: > > > At 10:49 6/01/02 , you wrote: > > > > >Hi all, > > > > > >I am trying to install debian on to a box with out an CD. > > >I have get the base system installed, using floppies, but it will not > > >install my network card so I can get the rest of it (HTTP the cd from the > > >server). > > > > > >The card is SMC EtherCard Plus Elite 16 (wd/8013ep). > > > > > >I know that module 8390 needs to be loaded before the wd module. The > > >network card settings (io and irq) under dos are not accepted. > > > > > >How do I find out what IO port and IRQ it is under linux. > > > > > > So, if you can put your hands on a PCI network card or two and boot up with > > the rescue disks until you see that it has found the network card it should > > be plain sailing. >Unfortunately the machine is a 468 without any PCI slots Oh .. poop. Yep, it looks like persistence is your game. > > All the best > > Harry > >I have discovered a utility called isapnp, which is meant to config ISA >pnp devices - will this fix my problem - does any one know how to use it. Just had a quick look, Anne, and 'man isapnp' is your friend. That is the tool for explicitly setting the card arguments using PnP. I've had a fumble with this at the installfest but I didn't get fully conversant. I was getting a hand to have an ISA sound card running as well as the network card. Gave up and removed the sound card. With that in mind, if you can take out other ISA cards that you are not using that might avoid conflicts simply to get the base install loaded. If you need an alternative, I've got another ISA card which is also NE2000 compatible which is pretty likely to be recognised. I'm in South Perth if that's handy to you. See how you go. >The card has jumpers for specific configurations as well as the 'soft' >option, would I be better change the jump to a specific configuration ? Well, if you can. You may then be able to specify the io= and irq= on the boot line. I'm pretty sure the list archive will have posts about doing this. In that case, I don't think you need to use isapnp any more. All the best Harry From james at rcpt.to Sun Jan 6 22:29:02 2002 From: james at rcpt.to (James Bromberger) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:29:02 +0800 Subject: [plug] The member promotion brochure In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020106131432.009a62d0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> References: <4.2.0.58.20020106131432.009a62d0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <20020106142902.GC7524@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 01:47:09PM +0000, Harry McNally wrote: > ppps there is no phone contact number. I can add one if a willing volunteer > takes one pace forward .... I don't think it is important for PLUG to have a contact number per se. Web, email, yes, they're a given. A phone number becomes much more expensive and complicated. Firstly, fixed lines are out, since there is no where for a fixed line to go to. Personal numbers are out. Perhaps an 0500 number is an option (http://www.telstra.com.au/products/product.cfm?prod_id=2932) but.... this would just cost money ($5/month + inbound call changes), and is probably not worth it. Its not something you easily go into. You would be in a worse position if you ended up cancelling it 12 months down the track due to lack of interest because by that time you have printed material out there. *shrug* *chortle* $10 phone card, set it to divert.... ;) even easier... each divert will sap some money from the credit. Just need to know when to top up the card. *sigh* Perhaps chatting to someone at Tel$tra would be more approripate. James Thinking out loud. -- James Bromberger www.james.rcpt.to Australian Debian Conference: http://www.linux.org.au/conf/debiancon.html Remainder moved to http://www.james.rcpt.to/james/sig.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From billk at iinet.net.au Mon Jan 7 06:55:46 2002 From: billk at iinet.net.au (Bill Kenworthy) Date: 07 Jan 2002 06:55:46 +0800 Subject: [plug] The member promotion brochure In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020106131432.009a62d0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> References: <4.2.0.58.20020106131432.009a62d0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <1010357746.14388.9.camel@rattus.Localdomain> Neat Do not know if this was discussed, but in this day and age, I think most people have a colour printer, which would increase the impact - minimal required, perhaps just Tux? BillK On Sun, 2002-01-06 at 21:47, Harry McNally wrote: > Folks > > After a request from James B that we have a brochure to promote PLUG, I've > created a document that was subject to vigorous scrutiny and editing at the > conf2003 meeting this morning. The document may now be downloaded as either > pdf or postscript from: > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~decdes/member.pdf > > and > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~decdes/member.ps > > The intention is that interested PLUGers will grab the document, print a > few off (it's double sided) and triple fold the A4 landscape page into a DL > envelope size and put them in the brochure trays of your local library. > > We printed ours on "Tux beak yellow" paper, we use Australian Paper, Optix, > Tera Yellow for our fax paper because it screams "I'M A FAX PAGE" from 50 > paces. Fortuitously, Tux has a beak that screams "I'm Tux" from a similar > distance. > > If I'm not mistaken, this paper is a pretty standard 80 gsm ream from > OfficeWorks but should be available elsewhere. > > Of course, If lime green's your favourite colour or white says "I'm on a > budget" please go right ahead :) It's the message that matters. > > The final DL size is a portrait format with Tux visible at the top of the > front page so he can peep over the brochure retaining panel when it is not > transparent acrylic. > > btw, if there are any loud and obvious errors .. do let me know. > > Above all else .. have fun :-) > Harry > > ps scribe, do you want to copy this across to the PLUG site ? > > pps we might need to get our TAFE venue finalised or we could look a bit silly > > ppps there is no phone contact number. I can add one if a willing volunteer > takes one pace forward .... > > From james at rcpt.to Mon Jan 7 07:52:22 2002 From: james at rcpt.to (James Bromberger) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:52:22 +0800 Subject: [plug] The member promotion brochure In-Reply-To: <1010357746.14388.9.camel@rattus.Localdomain> References: <4.2.0.58.20020106131432.009a62d0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> <1010357746.14388.9.camel@rattus.Localdomain> Message-ID: <20020106235221.GA11744@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 06:55:46AM +0800, Bill Kenworthy wrote: > Do not know if this was discussed, but in this day and age, I think most > people have a colour printer, which would increase the impact - minimal > required, perhaps just Tux? I'd be careful about doing colour: each page costs more, often takes longer to print, can't be B&W photocopied for speed and convenience, and may (or may not) require special paper to look reasonable (if we're talking inkjets). You're right about percieved impact, but it may not be worthwhile in /this/ case. James -- James Bromberger www.james.rcpt.to Australian Debian Conference: http://www.linux.org.au/conf/debiancon.html Remainder moved to http://www.james.rcpt.to/james/sig.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Mon Jan 7 10:26:06 2002 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 02:26:06 +0000 Subject: [plug] The member promotion brochure In-Reply-To: <1010357746.14388.9.camel@rattus.Localdomain> References: <4.2.0.58.20020106131432.009a62d0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> <4.2.0.58.20020106131432.009a62d0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020107020629.00999350@decisions-and-designs.com.au> At 10:55 6/01/02 , you wrote: >Neat > >Do not know if this was discussed, but in this day and age, I think most >people have a colour printer, which would increase the impact - minimal >required, perhaps just Tux? Hi Bill I saw James' comments to your post and my main reticence was that sweaty paws (flippers?) tend to make the inkjet printing smudgy whereas laser printing is like a printed brochure. However, that said, I did start with the intention of colour so I'll drop the colour GIFs in and post up a colour version. That way ppl can play around and see what they'd like to do. Funnily enough, now that I've printed it on screaming yellow paper I think it will actually have more impact on the display than just seeing Tux on white. Remember it is only his beak and flippers that will show any colour. I've been wondering if Tony B-T could purchase a ream of Tera Yellow from PLUG funds and pass 20 sheets or so out to ppl that are going to join the campaign :-) That way there isn't a need for everyone to buy a ream of yeller paper and for Officeworks to wonder why Tera Yellow is suddenly popular ... Anyhoo, give us a bit of time and I'll post to the list when it's done. cu harry From skribe at amber.com.au Mon Jan 7 10:49:40 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:49:40 +0800 Subject: [plug] The member promotion brochure In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020106131432.009a62d0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> References: <4.2.0.58.20020106131432.009a62d0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <02010710494003.12518@oberon.amber.com.au> On Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:47, Harry McNally wrote: > Folks > > After a request from James B that we have a brochure to promote PLUG, I've > created a document that was subject to vigorous scrutiny and editing at the > conf2003 meeting this morning. The document may now be downloaded as either > pdf or postscript from: > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~decdes/member.pdf > > and > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~decdes/member.ps I can't view either of them. The ps file is giving me errors. skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 You are only young once, but you can stay immature indefinitely. From grahame at ucs.uwa.edu.au Mon Jan 7 10:56:23 2002 From: grahame at ucs.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: 07 Jan 2002 10:56:23 +0800 Subject: [plug] Building Debian packages (.deb) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020106125353.00ab8430@10.10.10.1> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020106125353.00ab8430@10.10.10.1> Message-ID: <1010372183.19916.5.camel@typhaon> On Sun, 2002-01-06 at 13:03, Ryan wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm toying around trying to make a Debian package for a perl script I > wrote, i have found this site: > http://people.debian.org/~jaldhar/make_package1.html but it demonstrates > how to build a package using C source, not init.d scripts and no config files. > > My entire package should end up installing: > > /usr/bin/mp3stream.pl > /etc/mp3stream.conf > /etc/init.d/mp3stream > > and I can not find and good tutorials on how to do this. Using 'debuild' I > can successfully get it to make an empty .deb file after I botched together > my own Makefile, but I can't get the config or init.d files involved. > > Anyone got a better site or their own experience on doing this? cat - > Makefile all: echo "MP3stream build stuff here" install: cp mp3stream.pl $(DESTDIR)/usr/bin/ cp mp3stream.conf $(DESTDIR)/etc/ cp mp3stream $(DESTDIR)/etc/init.d/ ^D dh_make (Select single binary) (Edit debian/* to add author name etc) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot Done! Or that's how I usually do hackish packages for myself :-) -- Grahame Bowland Email: grahame at ucs.uwa.edu.au University Communications Services Phone: +61 8 9380 1175 The University of Western Australia Fax: +61 8 9380 1109 CRICOS: 00126G From misprint at bizzpro.com.au Mon Jan 7 11:04:29 2002 From: misprint at bizzpro.com.au (Clinton Butler) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 11:04:29 +0800 Subject: [plug] The member promotion brochure References: <4.2.0.58.20020106131432.009a62d0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> <02010710494003.12518@oberon.amber.com.au> Message-ID: <3C39103D.DA35D79C@bizzpro.com.au> PLUG is in Inc. ??? From billk at iinet.net.au Mon Jan 7 11:02:59 2002 From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy) Date: 07 Jan 2002 11:02:59 +0800 Subject: [plug] PDF file repair Message-ID: <1010372579.4256.0.camel@microarray> I have a corrupted pdf file that xpdf refuses and gv can view (with error messages) but wont print. Is there a (preferably linux) repair utility for pdf's? BillK From skribe at amber.com.au Mon Jan 7 11:04:24 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:04:24 +0800 Subject: [plug] The member promotion brochure In-Reply-To: <3C39103D.DA35D79C@bizzpro.com.au> References: <4.2.0.58.20020106131432.009a62d0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> <02010710494003.12518@oberon.amber.com.au> <3C39103D.DA35D79C@bizzpro.com.au> Message-ID: <02010711042404.12518@oberon.amber.com.au> On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:04, Clinton Butler wrote: > PLUG is in Inc. ??? yup skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 Lack of capability is usually disguised by lack of interest. From grahame at ucs.uwa.edu.au Mon Jan 7 11:06:50 2002 From: grahame at ucs.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: 07 Jan 2002 11:06:50 +0800 Subject: [plug] PDF file repair In-Reply-To: <1010372579.4256.0.camel@microarray> References: <1010372579.4256.0.camel@microarray> Message-ID: <1010372810.20242.7.camel@typhaon> On Mon, 2002-01-07 at 11:02, William Kenworthy wrote: > I have a corrupted pdf file that xpdf refuses and gv can view (with > error messages) but wont print. Is there a (preferably linux) repair > utility for pdf's? You might try running it through pdf2ps and then back through ps2pdf but that'll very likely lose any PDF specific data like clickable links. -- Grahame Bowland Email: grahame at ucs.uwa.edu.au University Communications Services Phone: +61 8 9380 1175 The University of Western Australia Fax: +61 8 9380 1109 CRICOS: 00126G From tony at cantech.net.au Mon Jan 7 11:26:10 2002 From: tony at cantech.net.au (Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:26:10 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] Debian install - network card In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 6 Jan 2002, Anne Busby wrote: > I am trying to install debian on to a box with out an CD. > I have get the base system installed, using floppies, but it will not > install my network card so I can get the rest of it (HTTP the cd from the > server). > > The card is SMC EtherCard Plus Elite 16 (wd/8013ep). > > I know that module 8390 needs to be loaded before the wd module. The > network card settings (io and irq) under dos are not accepted. > > How do I find out what IO port and IRQ it is under linux. > > The card jumps are set to 'soft' for the config, if this is any help. Yeah this is the problem, If at all possible you should set this jumper so that the Card "knows" where it is. From there you should be abale to load the module with the correct IRA and IOBASE address. If changeing the jumpers is not possible then you need to look at ISAPNP. BUT I don't know how much of that is avilabale in the boot floppies and/or the base image. If you can't get the NIC working in this limited enviromnent Then you may need to grab the ISAPNP .debs from the CD 9put them on floppies) and then get yourself going that way. ISAPNP is not the easyest thing in the world to configure but you should be able to do it. If You still can't get it going then you could try PPP over a nullmodem cable. Or bringing the machine to UCC. With a lead time we should be able to get enough stuff together to get you going. Yours Tony. /* * "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the * same level of thinking we were at when we created them." * --Albert Einstein */ From tony at cantech.net.au Mon Jan 7 11:27:39 2002 From: tony at cantech.net.au (Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:27:39 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] The member promotion brochure In-Reply-To: <3C39103D.DA35D79C@bizzpro.com.au> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Clinton Butler wrote: > PLUG is in Inc. ??? Yes officially we are: Perht Linux Users Group INC. Yours Tony. /* * "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the * same level of thinking we were at when we created them." * --Albert Einstein */ From leon at lostrealm.com Mon Jan 7 11:30:43 2002 From: leon at lostrealm.com (Leon Blackwell) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:30:43 +0800 Subject: [plug] The member promotion brochure In-Reply-To: ; from tony@cantech.net.au on Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 11:27:39AM +0800 References: <3C39103D.DA35D79C@bizzpro.com.au> Message-ID: <20020107113042.A19536@lostrealm.com> On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 11:27:39AM +0800, Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima wrote: > Yes officially we are: > Perht Linux Users Group INC. Erm... "pert"? Oh, so many puns to choose from... :) -- Leon Blackwell | Millions long for immortality who do http://www.lostrealm.com/ | not know what to do with themselves on jabber:Lionfire at lostrealm.com | a rainy Sunday afternoon. | -- Susan Ertz From billk at iinet.net.au Mon Jan 7 11:30:53 2002 From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy) Date: 07 Jan 2002 11:30:53 +0800 Subject: [plug] PDF file repair In-Reply-To: <1010372810.20242.7.camel@typhaon> References: <1010372579.4256.0.camel@microarray> <1010372810.20242.7.camel@typhaon> Message-ID: <1010374253.4260.2.camel@microarray> Brilliant, thanks. It turns out there is a pdftops and a pdf2ps! The latter worked. BillK On Mon, 2002-01-07 at 11:06, Grahame Bowland wrote: > On Mon, 2002-01-07 at 11:02, William Kenworthy wrote: > > I have a corrupted pdf file that xpdf refuses and gv can view (with > > error messages) but wont print. Is there a (preferably linux) repair > > utility for pdf's? > > You might try running it through pdf2ps and then back through ps2pdf but > that'll very likely lose any PDF specific data like clickable links. > > -- > Grahame Bowland Email: grahame at ucs.uwa.edu.au > University Communications Services Phone: +61 8 9380 1175 > The University of Western Australia Fax: +61 8 9380 1109 > CRICOS: 00126G > From tony at cantech.net.au Mon Jan 7 11:31:43 2002 From: tony at cantech.net.au (Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:31:43 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] The member promotion brochure In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020107020629.00999350@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Harry McNally wrote: > I've been wondering if Tony B-T could purchase a ream of Tera Yellow from > PLUG funds and pass 20 sheets or so out to ppl that are going to join the > campaign :-) That way there isn't a need for everyone to buy a ream of > yeller paper and for Officeworks to wonder why Tera Yellow is suddenly > popular ... Yeah I Can see this ebing doable (I mean purchaning the paper that is). I agree that the Yellow is better than plain white. I think a slightly better way to deal with it is for me to get the paper and print/photpcopy and fold 100 (or other suitable number) brochures. I can then hand them out ate meetings to dedicated people. I don't mean to sound rude or ungratefull BUT we don't want people taking N copies and then leaving them in there bedroom. They need to be seen.!! Yours Tony. /* * "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the * same level of thinking we were at when we created them." * --Albert Einstein */ From tony at cantech.net.au Mon Jan 7 11:32:38 2002 From: tony at cantech.net.au (Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:32:38 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] The member promotion brochure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima wrote: > On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Clinton Butler wrote: > > > PLUG is in Inc. ??? > > Yes officially we are: > Perht Linux Users Group INC. s,Per(h)(t),Per$1$2,g; Yours Tony. /* * "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the * same level of thinking we were at when we created them." * --Albert Einstein */ From myk at golden.wattle.id.au Mon Jan 7 11:44:14 2002 From: myk at golden.wattle.id.au (Mike Holland) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:44:14 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] The member promotion brochure In-Reply-To: <20020106142902.GC7524@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: On Sun, 6 Jan 2002, James Bromberger wrote: > On Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 01:47:09PM +0000, Harry McNally wrote: > > ppps there is no phone contact number. I can add one if a willing volunteer > > takes one pace forward .... > > *chortle* $10 phone card, set it to divert.... ;) even easier... each > divert will sap some money from the credit. Just need to know when to top up Actually, a telstra communic8 prepaid card has free diversion - very useful. So if a club did want a contact number, money isnt a problem. I cant see the point for PLUG though. -- All things are possible, except for skiing through a revolving door. From jensz at wn.com.au Mon Jan 7 11:45:01 2002 From: jensz at wn.com.au (Ben Jensz) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:45:01 +0800 Subject: [plug] iptables Message-ID: <003901c1972d$afd85f40$0a00a8c0@infotech1> Hey all, I wonder if anyone knows whether this is possible with iptables. I'm trying to specify two different IP address in a statement that are completely different networks to be exempted by the rule, e.g. like this: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -s ! 192.168.0.1 -p tcp -j DROP But, being able to specify multiple IP addresses in the "-s ! 192.168.0.1" section, rather than just one. I have done a bit of searching, read man pages etc, but can't find anything that says whether you can or can't use multiple IP addresses in a statement such as that. Is it possible? TIA :) / Ben From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Mon Jan 7 11:53:57 2002 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 03:53:57 +0000 Subject: [plug] The member promotion brochure In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20020107020629.00999350@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020107034943.009a6cd0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> At 03:31 7/01/02 , Tony B-T wrote: >On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Harry McNally wrote: > > > I've been wondering if Tony B-T could purchase a ream of Tera Yellow from > > PLUG funds and pass 20 sheets or so out to ppl that are going to join the > > campaign :-) That way there isn't a need for everyone to buy a ream of > > yeller paper and for Officeworks to wonder why Tera Yellow is suddenly > > popular ... > >Yeah I Can see this ebing doable (I mean purchaning the paper that is). I >agree that the Yellow is better than plain white. I think a slightly better >way to deal with it is for me to get the paper and print/photpcopy and fold >100 (or other suitable number) brochures. I can then hand them out ate >meetings to dedicated people. I don't mean to sound rude or ungratefull BUT >we don't want people taking N copies and then leaving them in there bedroom. >They need to be seen.!! Sounds reasonable tho' the files can be downloaded and printed by our plain clothes operatives in Broome and the other regions. Praps ppl out and about should suggest to their boss that Tera Yellow would be really handy for the fax machine so faxes are more visible. Then admit that they have a noble purpose for a few sheets themselves :-) cu Harry From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Mon Jan 7 11:55:45 2002 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 03:55:45 +0000 Subject: [plug] The member promotion brochure In-Reply-To: <02010710494003.12518@oberon.amber.com.au> References: <4.2.0.58.20020106131432.009a62d0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> <4.2.0.58.20020106131432.009a62d0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020107030533.0099f9b0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> At 02:49 7/01/02 , scribe wrote: >On Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:47, Harry McNally wrote: > > Folks > > > > After a request from James B that we have a brochure to promote PLUG, I've > > created a document that was subject to vigorous scrutiny and editing at the > > conf2003 meeting this morning. The document may now be downloaded as either > > pdf or postscript from: > > > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~decdes/member.pdf > > > > and > > > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~decdes/member.ps > >I can't view either of them. The ps file is giving me errors. Arcch, no. Now what ? They were built with FrameMaker and didn't use any fancy stuff. Then used Acrobat Distiller to make the PDFs. What viewers have you tried, scribe ? Could it be viewer related ? I know Bill K and James have viewed them ok. Praps list ppl could have a look with there fave viewer and report success/failure. I have to admit that I used Frame and Distiller under Doze rather than the Sparc and we have always suspected minor differences as the Doze version moves away from the Unix version. Any clues welcome because ultimately I've got to be able to make PDFs and ps universally viewer friendly. btw, I've created a colour version in PDF and ps. They are: http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~decdes/member_colour.pdf and http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~decdes/member_colour.ps All are accessible from the index page at /~decdes/ Have fun Harry From jensz at wn.com.au Mon Jan 7 11:50:43 2002 From: jensz at wn.com.au (Ben Jensz) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:50:43 +0800 Subject: [plug] The member promotion brochure References: <4.2.0.58.20020106131432.009a62d0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> <4.2.0.58.20020106131432.009a62d0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> <4.2.0.58.20020107030533.0099f9b0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <004501c1972e$7ba58760$0a00a8c0@infotech1> PDF displays fine for me with AA. / Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry McNally" To: Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [plug] The member promotion brochure > At 02:49 7/01/02 , scribe wrote: > >On Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:47, Harry McNally wrote: > > > Folks > > > > > > After a request from James B that we have a brochure to promote PLUG, I've > > > created a document that was subject to vigorous scrutiny and editing at the > > > conf2003 meeting this morning. The document may now be downloaded as either > > > pdf or postscript from: > > > > > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~decdes/member.pdf > > > > > > and > > > > > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~decdes/member.ps > > > >I can't view either of them. The ps file is giving me errors. > > Arcch, no. Now what ? They were built with FrameMaker and didn't use any > fancy stuff. Then used Acrobat Distiller to make the PDFs. > > What viewers have you tried, scribe ? Could it be viewer related ? I know > Bill K and James have viewed them ok. Praps list ppl could have a look with > there fave viewer and report success/failure. > > I have to admit that I used Frame and Distiller under Doze rather than the > Sparc and we have always suspected minor differences as the Doze version > moves away from the Unix version. Any clues welcome because ultimately I've > got to be able to make PDFs and ps universally viewer friendly. > > btw, I've created a colour version in PDF and ps. They are: > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~decdes/member_colour.pdf > and > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~decdes/member_colour.ps > > All are accessible from the index page at /~decdes/ > > Have fun > Harry > > From skribe at amber.com.au Mon Jan 7 11:53:48 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:53:48 +0800 Subject: [plug] The member promotion brochure In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020107030533.0099f9b0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> References: <4.2.0.58.20020106131432.009a62d0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> <4.2.0.58.20020107030533.0099f9b0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <02010711534805.12518@oberon.amber.com.au> On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:55, Harry McNally wrote: > What viewers have you tried, scribe ? kghostview and xpdf. > I have to admit that I used Frame and Distiller under Doze rather than the > Sparc and we have always suspected minor differences as the Doze version > moves away from the Unix version. Tsk tsk =). Have you tried using SOffice (or I presume Open Office), saving a ps file and then using ps2pdf? Works a treat. > btw, I've created a colour version in PDF and ps. They are: > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~decdes/member_colour.pdf > and > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~decdes/member_colour.ps Same problems. skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 The number of licorice gumballs you get out of a gumball machine increases in direct proportion to how much you hate licorice. From macro at nathan.linux-dude.net Mon Jan 7 11:58:32 2002 From: macro at nathan.linux-dude.net (Nathan Alberti) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:58:32 +0800 Subject: [plug] The member promotion brochure References: <4.2.0.58.20020106131432.009a62d0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> <4.2.0.58.20020107030533.0099f9b0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> <02010711534805.12518@oberon.amber.com.au> Message-ID: <031801c1972f$92d404b0$6401a8c0@nathan> Works fine for me with xpdf. Nathan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "skribe" To: Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [plug] The member promotion brochure On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:55, Harry McNally wrote: > What viewers have you tried, scribe ? kghostview and xpdf. > I have to admit that I used Frame and Distiller under Doze rather than the > Sparc and we have always suspected minor differences as the Doze version > moves away from the Unix version. Tsk tsk =). Have you tried using SOffice (or I presume Open Office), saving a ps file and then using ps2pdf? Works a treat. > btw, I've created a colour version in PDF and ps. They are: > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~decdes/member_colour.pdf > and > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~decdes/member_colour.ps Same problems. skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 The number of licorice gumballs you get out of a gumball machine increases in direct proportion to how much you hate licorice. From skribe at amber.com.au Mon Jan 7 12:04:20 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:04:20 +0800 Subject: [plug] The member promotion brochure In-Reply-To: <031801c1972f$92d404b0$6401a8c0@nathan> References: <4.2.0.58.20020106131432.009a62d0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> <02010711534805.12518@oberon.amber.com.au> <031801c1972f$92d404b0$6401a8c0@nathan> Message-ID: <02010712042006.12518@oberon.amber.com.au> On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:58, Nathan Alberti wrote: > Works fine for me with xpdf. Mine now works too. Weird. I tried both versions (colour and bw) twice before and neither worked. Obviously the wind has changed direction. skribe > -- > Public key information available at: > http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html > Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 > > The number of licorice gumballs you get out of a gumball machine > increases in direct proportion to how much you hate licorice. -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 Repel them. Repel them. Induce them to relinquish the spheroid. -- Indiana University football cheer From tony at cantech.net.au Mon Jan 7 12:07:53 2002 From: tony at cantech.net.au (Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:07:53 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] The member promotion brochure In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020107034943.009a6cd0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Harry McNally wrote: > Sounds reasonable tho' the files can be downloaded and printed by our plain > clothes operatives in Broome and the other regions. Praps ppl out and about Yeah having the files downloadable is good. Just trying to help with the local delivery. > should suggest to their boss that Tera Yellow would be really handy for the > fax machine so faxes are more visible. Then admit that they have a noble We use pink for fax visiblity paper. > purpose for a few sheets themselves :-) Yours Tony. /* * "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the * same level of thinking we were at when we created them." * --Albert Einstein */ From ryan at prodigital.net.au Mon Jan 7 12:37:19 2002 From: ryan at prodigital.net.au (Ryan) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 12:37:19 +0800 Subject: [plug] Building Debian packages (.deb) In-Reply-To: <1010372183.19916.5.camel@typhaon> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020106125353.00ab8430@10.10.10.1> <5.1.0.14.0.20020106125353.00ab8430@10.10.10.1> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020107123340.00a30b10@10.10.10.1> Yep, that seems to work fine for me too, things are so easy when you know how :P Something to note for people trying this however, is that the indentations in the Makefile MUST be tabs, 8 spaces doesn't cut it. Thanks! Ryan At 10:56 AM 07-01-02 +0800, you wrote: >cat - > Makefile >all: > echo "MP3stream build stuff here" > >install: > cp mp3stream.pl $(DESTDIR)/usr/bin/ > cp mp3stream.conf $(DESTDIR)/etc/ > cp mp3stream $(DESTDIR)/etc/init.d/ >^D >dh_make >(Select single binary) >(Edit debian/* to add author name etc) >dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot > >Done! > >Or that's how I usually do hackish packages for myself :-) > >-- >Grahame Bowland Email: grahame at ucs.uwa.edu.au >University Communications Services Phone: +61 8 9380 1175 >The University of Western Australia Fax: +61 8 9380 1109 > CRICOS: 00126G From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Mon Jan 7 12:50:19 2002 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 04:50:19 +0000 Subject: [plug] The member promotion brochure In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20020107034943.009a6cd0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020107042234.009add20@decisions-and-designs.com.au> At 04:07 7/01/02 , Tony B-T wrote: >On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Harry McNally wrote: > > > Sounds reasonable tho' the files can be downloaded and printed by our > plain > > clothes operatives in Broome and the other regions. Praps ppl out and > about > >Yeah having the files downloadable is good. Just trying to help with the >local delivery. > > > should suggest to their boss that Tera Yellow would be really handy for > the > > fax machine so faxes are more visible. Then admit that they have a noble > >We use pink for fax visiblity paper. Eeesh. Yes, this is pretty normal. Depending entirely on your normality viewpoint of course :-) If it was a screamin' outrageous pink it would be fun but the standard seems to be woosy another-crappy-washed-out-fax-to-read pink. To misquote Good Morning Vietnam "[Print Tux on] anything as long as it's LOUD. Ok?" I really should get back to work or the boss will get cross. Damn this is fun :) H ;-) From trentlloyd at iprimus.com.au Mon Jan 7 12:58:53 2002 From: trentlloyd at iprimus.com.au (Trent Lloyd) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 12:58:53 +0800 Subject: [plug] Debian install - network card In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020107125822.00b88cf0@pop.iprimus.com.au> i found the wd card only works on the one of the settings (280 or 300) i think 300 didnt work then its modprobe wd io=0x280 irq=3 (or is it 10. i dont have the card on me sorry) At 11:26 AM 7/01/2002 +0800, you wrote: >On Sun, 6 Jan 2002, Anne Busby wrote: > > > I am trying to install debian on to a box with out an CD. > > I have get the base system installed, using floppies, but it will not > > install my network card so I can get the rest of it (HTTP the cd from the > > server). > > > > The card is SMC EtherCard Plus Elite 16 (wd/8013ep). > > > > I know that module 8390 needs to be loaded before the wd module. The > > network card settings (io and irq) under dos are not accepted. > > > > How do I find out what IO port and IRQ it is under linux. > > > > The card jumps are set to 'soft' for the config, if this is any help. > >Yeah this is the problem, If at all possible you should set this jumper so >that the Card "knows" where it is. From there you should be abale to load >the module with the correct IRA and IOBASE address. > >If changeing the jumpers is not possible then you need to look at ISAPNP. BUT >I don't know how much of that is avilabale in the boot floppies and/or the >base image. If you can't get the NIC working in this limited enviromnent >Then you may need to grab the ISAPNP .debs from the CD 9put them on floppies) >and then get yourself going that way. ISAPNP is not the easyest thing in the >world to configure but you should be able to do it. > >If You still can't get it going then you could try PPP over a nullmodem cable. >Or bringing the machine to UCC. With a lead time we should be able to get >enough stuff together to get you going. > >Yours Tony. > >/* > * "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the > * same level of thinking we were at when we created them." > * --Albert Einstein > */ -*- If Linux doesn't have the solution, you have the wrong problem -*- From leon at brooks.fdns.net Mon Jan 7 14:09:08 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:09:08 +0800 Subject: [plug] The member promotion brochure In-Reply-To: <20020106142902.GC7524@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <4.2.0.58.20020106131432.009a62d0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> <20020106142902.GC7524@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20020107060934.DC09632589F@mail.old-firestation.net> On Sunday 06 January 2002 22:29, James Bromberger wrote: > *chortle* $10 phone card, set it to divert.... ;) even easier... each > divert will sap some money from the credit. Just need to know when to top > up the card. I can supply a 'phone. Perhaps one of those cheap SIMs and roster the 'phone monthly? Cheers; Leon From wayne.vovil at ausi.com Mon Jan 7 20:21:59 2002 From: wayne.vovil at ausi.com (Wayne Vovil) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 04:21:59 -0800 Subject: [plug] The member promotion brochure Message-ID: <200201071221.g07CLxT10455@mail8.bigmailbox.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From wayne.vovil at ausi.com Mon Jan 7 20:27:43 2002 From: wayne.vovil at ausi.com (Wayne Vovil) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 04:27:43 -0800 Subject: [plug] The member promotion brochure Message-ID: <200201071227.g07CRhE22437@mail8.bigmailbox.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Mon Jan 7 22:16:26 2002 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 14:16:26 +0000 Subject: [plug] UK Government report champions OSS (a little hand wave anyway) Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020107133424.009a7100@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Folks Subsequent to Leon niggling the UK Govt to use open data formats; see his letter to LNW http://lwn.net/2002/0103/letters.php3 This report may or may not be the revised version of the one 'e took 'umbridge at :-) http://www.govtalk.gov.uk/interoperability/egif_document.asp?docnum=430 I still think it is a pretty insightful prediction for OSS now and in the next five years. You have to consider the conservatism and inertia of the authors expected audience. Any comment from Leon ? :-) Cheers Harry From billk at iinet.net.au Tue Jan 8 07:19:38 2002 From: billk at iinet.net.au (Bill Kenworthy) Date: 08 Jan 2002 07:19:38 +0800 Subject: [plug] spam delivery failure Message-ID: <1010445579.11956.5.camel@rattus.Localdomain> I am getting a few persistant spams that I would like the mail system to just send back a delivery failure report to see if that discourages them. What is the best way to do this. Is it even possible as this is a dialup and mail queues at the isp until I fetchmail it. BillK From cottmain at yahoo.com.au Tue Jan 8 07:57:18 2002 From: cottmain at yahoo.com.au (Daniel) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 07:57:18 +0800 Subject: [plug] Snort-Setup for Statistics - first release version In-Reply-To: <1010445579.11956.5.camel@rattus.Localdomain> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020108075348.00a94058@144.135.24.13> There has been a bit of discussion on how to make use of Snort stats recently - noticed this has just been released: http://www.linuxsecurity.com/articles/intrusion_detection_article-4240.html http://www.linuxsecurity.com/docs/HOWTO/Snort-Statistics-HOWTO/index.html SNORT-SETUP FOR STATISTICS HOWTO "This HOWTO describes how to configure Snort version 1.8.3 to be used in conjunction with the statistical tools ACID (Analysis Console for Intrusion Databases) and SnortSnarf. Additionally a description of how to automatically update Max Vision's rules, some scripts which may be helpful and a demo swatch configuration is included." From patrick at perthix.net Tue Jan 8 08:11:02 2002 From: patrick at perthix.net (Patrick Tehvand) Date: 08 Jan 2002 08:11:02 +0800 Subject: [plug] exchange 2k intergration Message-ID: <1010448667.26157.4.camel@noc7.perthix.net> does anyone know of any other Exchange 2K intergration projects other than Ximian Evolution's for Gnome? So far all i can find is IMAP compliant stuff with iCalander plugins... Just wondering if anyone has unearthed anything else? Patrick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Russell.Hobman at watercorporation.com.au Tue Jan 8 08:45:30 2002 From: Russell.Hobman at watercorporation.com.au (Russell Hobman) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:45:30 +0800 Subject: [plug] Linux support for Promise ATA100 Message-ID: <47E91C2E82EDD211A9980010E3621EADB4D457@SVNTBY1-03.watercorporation.com.au> Goodaye pluggers, I am fairly new to Linux, and I was hoping that someone could advise me which Linux distros are similar. the reason being is that I have just bought a promise ata100 card and plan to install it in my Mandrake 8.0 box. I have been to the promise Linux support page and cannot find a specific mandrake driver. however there is support for other Linux distros there. could someone advise which would be the closest match to use with mandrake 8.0. my choices are: 1. Turbo Linux Server 6.5 2. Open Linux 3.1 3. SuSe 7.1/7.2 4. Red Hat 6.2/7.0/7.1 many thanks for any assistance. regards, Russell. From garbuck at tpg.com.au Tue Jan 8 08:57:44 2002 From: garbuck at tpg.com.au (garry) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:57:44 +0800 Subject: [plug] Linux support for Promise ATA100 In-Reply-To: <47E91C2E82EDD211A9980010E3621EADB4D457@SVNTBY1-03.watercorporation.com.au> References: <47E91C2E82EDD211A9980010E3621EADB4D457@SVNTBY1-03.watercorporation.com.au> Message-ID: <200201080057.g080vLM29571@bleys.tpgi.com.au> The card should be picked up when you restart your computer. Mandrake is one of the best at correctly picking up hardware on its own. Be aware though, that the current mandrake distrobution is 8.1, and as usual a free d/l or inexpensive disk purchase from WALinux in Hilton. HTH Garry. On Tuesday 08 January 2002 08:45 am, Russell Hobman wrote: > Goodaye pluggers, I am fairly new to Linux, and I was hoping that someone > could advise me which Linux distros are similar. the reason being is that I > have just bought a promise ata100 card and plan to install it in my > Mandrake 8.0 box. I have been to the promise Linux support page and cannot > find a specific mandrake driver. however there is support for other Linux > distros there. could someone advise which would be the closest match to use > with mandrake 8.0. my choices are: > 1. Turbo Linux Server 6.5 > 2. Open Linux 3.1 > 3. SuSe 7.1/7.2 > 4. Red Hat 6.2/7.0/7.1 > many thanks for any assistance. regards, Russell. From Russell.Hobman at watercorporation.com.au Tue Jan 8 08:59:11 2002 From: Russell.Hobman at watercorporation.com.au (Russell Hobman) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:59:11 +0800 Subject: [plug] Linux support for Promise ATA100 Message-ID: <47E91C2E82EDD211A9980010E3621EADB4D458@SVNTBY1-03.watercorporation.com.au> Goodaye Garry, thankyou for your reply. I understand from what you are saying that I probably don't need further support from promise and that the mandrake 8.0 powerpak I have, is all I need. other than perhaps an update to 8.2 when it is released. is this correct? regards, Russell. > -----Original Message----- > From: garry [SMTP:garbuck at tpg.com.au] > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 8:55 AM > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: Re: [plug] Linux support for Promise ATA100 > > The card should be picked up when you restart your computer. Mandrake is > one > of the best at correctly picking up hardware on its own. > > Be aware though, that the current mandrake distrobution is 8.1, and as > usual > a free d/l or inexpensive disk purchase from WALinux in Hilton. > > HTH > > Garry. > > > On Tuesday 08 January 2002 08:45 am, Russell Hobman wrote: > > Goodaye pluggers, I am fairly new to Linux, and I was hoping that > someone > > could advise me which Linux distros are similar. the reason being is > that I > > have just bought a promise ata100 card and plan to install it in my > > Mandrake 8.0 box. I have been to the promise Linux support page and > cannot > > find a specific mandrake driver. however there is support for other > Linux > > distros there. could someone advise which would be the closest match to > use > > with mandrake 8.0. my choices are: > > 1. Turbo Linux Server 6.5 > > 2. Open Linux 3.1 > > 3. SuSe 7.1/7.2 > > 4. Red Hat 6.2/7.0/7.1 > > many thanks for any assistance. regards, Russell. From garbuck at tpg.com.au Tue Jan 8 09:16:39 2002 From: garbuck at tpg.com.au (garry) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 09:16:39 +0800 Subject: [plug] Linux support for Promise ATA100 In-Reply-To: <47E91C2E82EDD211A9980010E3621EADB4D458@SVNTBY1-03.watercorporation.com.au> References: <47E91C2E82EDD211A9980010E3621EADB4D458@SVNTBY1-03.watercorporation.com.au> Message-ID: <200201080116.g081G8108035@bleys.tpgi.com.au> The Promise card should be supported by 8.0. The current Mandrake is 8.1. You may choose to upgrade to 8.1 now, 8.2 when it comes, or live with 8.0. Hardware support is improving with each version, so it is reasonable to assume that the latest version is A Good Thing(tm). Regards, Garry. On Tuesday 08 January 2002 08:59 am, Russell Hobman wrote: > Goodaye Garry, thankyou for your reply. I understand from what you are > saying that I probably don't need further support from promise and that the > mandrake 8.0 powerpak I have, is all I need. other than perhaps an update > to 8.2 when it is released. is this correct? regards, Russell. > From leon at brooks.fdns.net Tue Jan 8 10:24:21 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:24:21 +0800 Subject: [plug] exchange 2k integration In-Reply-To: <1010448667.26157.4.camel@noc7.perthix.net> References: <1010448667.26157.4.camel@noc7.perthix.net> Message-ID: <20020108022450.451E93256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> On Tuesday 08 January 2002 08:11, Patrick Tehvand wrote: > does anyone know of any other Exchange 2K intergration projects other > than Ximian Evolution's for Gnome? > So far all i can find is IMAP compliant stuff with iCalander plugins... Two commercial ones (I think Bynari gives out source to at least some things): http://www.bynari.com/ http://www.samsungcontact.com/ Cheers; Leon From leon at brooks.fdns.net Tue Jan 8 10:32:14 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:32:14 +0800 Subject: [plug] spam delivery failure In-Reply-To: <1010445579.11956.5.camel@rattus.Localdomain> References: <1010445579.11956.5.camel@rattus.Localdomain> Message-ID: <20020108023243.29FF73256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> On Tuesday 08 January 2002 07:19, Bill Kenworthy wrote: > I am getting a few persistant spams that I would like the mail system to > just send back a delivery failure report to see if that discourages > them. What is the best way to do this. Is it even possible as this is > a dialup and mail queues at the isp until I fetchmail it. KMail has bounce-on-demand (Message/Bounce... menu) but your mileage will vary depending on the spammer. A bounce that doesn't work may convince the spamming software that the address is real. Using an email address like nospam at mydomain.com.au works reasonably well, for example nospam at cyberknights.com.au will get to me. (-: much spamming software throws away addresses with `nospam' in them, or at least deletes the word and sorrounding delimiters like `-', yielding `@cyberknights.com.au' :-). The domain nospam.com.au has no NS records, if you're interested. Cheers; Leon From leon at brooks.fdns.net Tue Jan 8 10:38:21 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:38:21 +0800 Subject: [plug] Another speedup in the works for Linux Message-ID: <20020108023849.C6B513256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> Linux's scheduling has traditionally hammered anything Windows, Mac or anything except the higher-end Unices have to offer, this article points at a detailed exposition of a new scheduler for the kernel which threatens to outdo even that (in some cases by enormous margins): http://kerneltrap.org/article.php?sid=461 There is also mention of work on getting it and the pre-emption patches to play nicely together. That and the recent work in making KDE more efficient should result in even heavyweight desktops with amazing responsiveness. Cheers; Leon From sbaker at icg.net.au Tue Jan 8 11:21:08 2002 From: sbaker at icg.net.au (Steve Baker) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:21:08 +0800 Subject: [plug] Tux racer in lotto ad? Message-ID: <009f01c197f3$847fce20$1ec8a8c0@corona.iinet.net.au> Hi, In an ad for lotto currently on TV the father asks the son, daughter, and wife if they want to go fishing. They are all out camping but each has a large tent decked out with all the comforts of home. The son is first, and is playing some sort of computer game. I've never played or even seen Tux Racer, I can't be sure if it's the game that the young kiddie is playing in the lotto ad. From what I have heard about the game, that is what it looks like. Has anyone noticed this? Regards, Steve -- Steve Baker Open your mind, then check out www.nexusmagazine.com From paul at canningcollege.wa.edu.au Tue Jan 8 11:24:36 2002 From: paul at canningcollege.wa.edu.au (Paul Dean) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:24:36 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] Tux racer in lotto ad? In-Reply-To: <009f01c197f3$847fce20$1ec8a8c0@corona.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: Hya, On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Steve Baker wrote: > Hi, > > In an ad for lotto currently on TV the father asks the son, daughter, and > wife if they want to go fishing. They are all out camping but each has a > large tent decked out with all the comforts of home. The son is first, and > is playing some sort of computer game. Haven't seen this one yet, but Tuxracer is a roolly kewl game...need a 3D card thou... DL it from www.tuxracer.com > > I've never played or even seen Tux Racer, I can't be sure if it's the game > that the young kiddie is playing in the lotto ad. From what I have heard > about the game, that is what it looks like. Has anyone noticed this? > > Regards, > Steve > -- > Steve Baker > Open your mind, then check out www.nexusmagazine.com > -- Paul... /***** Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again. -- Franklin P. Jones *****/ /*****All programmers are playwrights and all computers are lousy actors. -- Unknown*****/ /* How smart are Computers? They seem to need instructions all the time... -- Me */ From gilksjm at iinet.net.au Tue Jan 8 11:24:50 2002 From: gilksjm at iinet.net.au (J Michael Gilks) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:24:50 +0800 Subject: [plug] Local Apache problem Message-ID: <20020108032231.24FFF7C6D@spark.plug.linux.org.au> When I try to start apache I get the following message. Starting httpd-perl: [60G[ [1;32mOK [0;39m ] Starting httpd: [Tue Jan 8 11:16:40 2002] [alert] httpd: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName [60G[ [1;31mFAILED [0;39m] [Tue Jan 8 11:16:45 2002] [alert] httpd: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName [60G[ [1;31mFAILED [0;39m] [Tue Jan 8 11:16:51 2002] [alert] httpd: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName [60G[ [1;31mFAILED [0;39m] My hosts file contains the following entries 127.0.0.1 linux.personal localhost 192.168.0.1 linux.personal localhost linux The 127.0.0.1 line has been changed from localhost.localdomain to linux.personal with no effect. Can someone please suggest a solution to this problem as I need to debug some PHP scripts and the machine won't connect to anything local. I am running Mandrake 8.1 Love Mike. From jensz at wn.com.au Tue Jan 8 11:29:15 2002 From: jensz at wn.com.au (Ben Jensz) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:29:15 +0800 Subject: [plug] Local Apache problem References: <20020108032231.24FFF7C6D@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Message-ID: <000901c197f4$a66c62e0$0a00a8c0@infotech1> You need to give the "ServerName" directive in Apache a setting. If the machine you're using is the one running Apache, then just set ServerName to 127.0.0.1. If you're connected to the net, I'd also use the "BindAddress" directive and set it to "127.0.0.1" also, so you don't get people outside accessing stuff from port 80. / Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Michael Gilks" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 11:24 AM Subject: [plug] Local Apache problem > When I try to start apache I get the following message. > > Starting httpd-perl: [60G[ [1;32mOK [0;39m ] > Starting httpd: [Tue Jan 8 11:16:40 2002] [alert] httpd: Could not determine > the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName > [60G[ [1;31mFAILED [0;39m] > [Tue Jan 8 11:16:45 2002] [alert] httpd: Could not determine the server's > fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName > [60G[ [1;31mFAILED [0;39m] > [Tue Jan 8 11:16:51 2002] [alert] httpd: Could not determine the server's > fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName > [60G[ [1;31mFAILED [0;39m] > > My hosts file contains the following entries > > 127.0.0.1 linux.personal localhost > 192.168.0.1 linux.personal localhost linux > > The 127.0.0.1 line has been changed from localhost.localdomain to > linux.personal with no effect. > > Can someone please suggest a solution to this problem as I need to debug some > PHP scripts and the machine won't connect to anything local. > I am running Mandrake 8.1 > Love > Mike. > From wootenaa at hotmail.com Tue Jan 8 11:57:21 2002 From: wootenaa at hotmail.com (Aaron Wooten) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 11:57:21 +0800 Subject: [plug] Tux racer in lotto ad? Message-ID: Yeah I noticed that too, I think he appears to be using a gaming console though like n64 or somthing. It might also be mario64 where you have to race a penguin down a slide but then you should be able to see mario too. Aaron >From: "Steve Baker" >Reply-To: plug at plug.linux.org.au >To: "PLUG" >Subject: [plug] Tux racer in lotto ad? >Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:21:08 +0800 > >Hi, > >In an ad for lotto currently on TV the father asks the son, daughter, and >wife if they want to go fishing. They are all out camping but each has a >large tent decked out with all the comforts of home. The son is first, and >is playing some sort of computer game. > >I've never played or even seen Tux Racer, I can't be sure if it's the game >that the young kiddie is playing in the lotto ad. From what I have heard >about the game, that is what it looks like. Has anyone noticed this? > >Regards, >Steve >-- >Steve Baker >Open your mind, then check out www.nexusmagazine.com > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From arkem at mornmist.2y.net Tue Jan 8 12:12:02 2002 From: arkem at mornmist.2y.net (Arkem) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:12:02 +0800 Subject: [plug] Tux racer in lotto ad? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I doubt it is Tux Racer, it could be Mario64 but I think it is more likely to be a game called Pen Pen Tricelon which is a penguin themed racing game. It has been released for Sega Dreamcast. Regards, Paul C From gilksjm at iinet.net.au Tue Jan 8 12:23:46 2002 From: gilksjm at iinet.net.au (J Michael Gilks) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:23:46 +0800 Subject: [plug] Local Apache problem In-Reply-To: <000901c197f4$a66c62e0$0a00a8c0@infotech1> References: <20020108032231.24FFF7C6D@spark.plug.linux.org.au> <000901c197f4$a66c62e0$0a00a8c0@infotech1> Message-ID: <20020108042125.C3CF87C27@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Tried setting the server name to 127.0.0.1. httpd-perl starts OK, but httpd just fails. At least now I don't get the long message, but would be nice if I could make it work. Would it be something else in httpd.conf maybe. Thanks for your time. Love Mike. On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:29, Ben Jensz wrote: > You need to give the "ServerName" directive in Apache a setting. If the > machine you're using is the one running Apache, then just set ServerName to > 127.0.0.1. > > If you're connected to the net, I'd also use the "BindAddress" directive > and set it to "127.0.0.1" also, so you don't get people outside accessing > stuff from port 80. > > > / Ben > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Michael Gilks" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 11:24 AM > Subject: [plug] Local Apache problem > > > When I try to start apache I get the following message. > > > > Starting httpd-perl: [60G[ [1;32mOK [0;39m ] > > Starting httpd: [Tue Jan 8 11:16:40 2002] [alert] httpd: Could not > > determine > > > the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName > > [60G[ [1;31mFAILED [0;39m] > > [Tue Jan 8 11:16:45 2002] [alert] httpd: Could not determine the > > server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName > > [60G[ [1;31mFAILED [0;39m] > > [Tue Jan 8 11:16:51 2002] [alert] httpd: Could not determine the > > server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName > > [60G[ [1;31mFAILED [0;39m] > > > > My hosts file contains the following entries > > > > 127.0.0.1 linux.personal localhost > > 192.168.0.1 linux.personal localhost linux > > > > The 127.0.0.1 line has been changed from localhost.localdomain to > > linux.personal with no effect. > > > > Can someone please suggest a solution to this problem as I need to debug > > some > > > PHP scripts and the machine won't connect to anything local. > > I am running Mandrake 8.1 > > Love > > Mike. From jensz at wn.com.au Tue Jan 8 12:27:06 2002 From: jensz at wn.com.au (Ben Jensz) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:27:06 +0800 Subject: [plug] Local Apache problem References: <20020108032231.24FFF7C6D@spark.plug.linux.org.au> <000901c197f4$a66c62e0$0a00a8c0@infotech1> <20020108042125.C3CF87C27@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Message-ID: <001901c197fc$bdd1f190$0a00a8c0@infotech1> Whats the exact error that you get now? / Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Michael Gilks" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [plug] Local Apache problem > Tried setting the server name to 127.0.0.1. httpd-perl starts OK, but httpd > just fails. At least now I don't get the long message, but would be nice if I > could make it work. Would it be something else in httpd.conf maybe. > Thanks for your time. > Love > Mike. > On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:29, Ben Jensz wrote: > > You need to give the "ServerName" directive in Apache a setting. If the > > machine you're using is the one running Apache, then just set ServerName to > > 127.0.0.1. > > > > If you're connected to the net, I'd also use the "BindAddress" directive > > and set it to "127.0.0.1" also, so you don't get people outside accessing > > stuff from port 80. > > > > > > / Ben > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "J Michael Gilks" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 11:24 AM > > Subject: [plug] Local Apache problem > > > > > When I try to start apache I get the following message. > > > > > > Starting httpd-perl: [60G[ [1;32mOK [0;39m ] > > > Starting httpd: [Tue Jan 8 11:16:40 2002] [alert] httpd: Could not > > > > determine > > > > > the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName > > > [60G[ [1;31mFAILED [0;39m] > > > [Tue Jan 8 11:16:45 2002] [alert] httpd: Could not determine the > > > server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName > > > [60G[ [1;31mFAILED [0;39m] > > > [Tue Jan 8 11:16:51 2002] [alert] httpd: Could not determine the > > > server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName > > > [60G[ [1;31mFAILED [0;39m] > > > > > > My hosts file contains the following entries > > > > > > 127.0.0.1 linux.personal localhost > > > 192.168.0.1 linux.personal localhost linux > > > > > > The 127.0.0.1 line has been changed from localhost.localdomain to > > > linux.personal with no effect. > > > > > > Can someone please suggest a solution to this problem as I need to debug > > > > some > > > > > PHP scripts and the machine won't connect to anything local. > > > I am running Mandrake 8.1 > > > Love > > > Mike. > From leon at brooks.fdns.net Tue Jan 8 13:15:01 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:15:01 +0800 Subject: [plug] Grumble, grumble, Windows strikes again Message-ID: <20020108051531.E57743258B1@mail.old-firestation.net> I'm currently shopping around for broadband access, and discovered a couple of interesting things after talking to iiNet. One of them is that they filter ``code red,'' or in other words *all* HTTP access to their ADSL clients. Thanks for that, Bill. The other is that iiNet don't actually own any DSLAMs, they're all owned by Telstra. So if you buy ADSL through (for example) Indigo, you're getting it from a reseller for iiNet who in turn are a reseller for Telstra. The current choice in ADSL with affordable download limits is really Telstra or Telstra. Not healthy. One other thing, if you get iiNet's ``unlimited'' ADSL account, it's throttled at 10GB/month. The iiNet bloke was unable to tell me how throttled. Cheers; Leon From colin at twobluedots.com.au Tue Jan 8 13:23:34 2002 From: colin at twobluedots.com.au (Colin Muller) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:23:34 +0800 Subject: [plug] Grumble, grumble, Windows strikes again In-Reply-To: <20020108051531.E57743258B1@mail.old-firestation.net>; from leon@brooks.fdns.net on Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 01:15:01PM +0800 References: <20020108051531.E57743258B1@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: <20020108132334.C21994@twobluedots.com.au> On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 01:15:01PM +0800, Leon Brooks wrote: > I'm currently shopping around for broadband access, and discovered a couple > of interesting things after talking to iiNet. One of them is that they filter > ``code red,'' or in other words *all* HTTP access to their ADSL clients. Not to this client, they don't - or not successfully, anyway: 202.29.56.106 - - [06/Jan/2002:07:40:09 +0800] "GET /default.ida?NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u9090%u8190%u00c3%u0003%u8b00%u531b%u53ff%u0078%u0000%u00=a HTTP/1.0" 400 331 "-" "-" 210.33.82.188 - - [07/Jan/2002:19:51:16 +0800] "GET /default.ida?NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u9090%u8190%u00c3%u0003%u8b00%u531b%u53ff%u0078%u0000%u00=a HTTP/1.0" 400 331 "-" "-" Colin From james at rcpt.to Tue Jan 8 13:31:31 2002 From: james at rcpt.to (James Bromberger) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:31:31 +0800 Subject: [plug] Grumble, grumble, Windows strikes again In-Reply-To: <20020108132334.C21994@twobluedots.com.au> References: <20020108051531.E57743258B1@mail.old-firestation.net> <20020108132334.C21994@twobluedots.com.au> Message-ID: <20020108053130.GA24658@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 01:23:34PM +0800, Colin Muller wrote: > On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 01:15:01PM +0800, Leon Brooks wrote: > > I'm currently shopping around for broadband access, and discovered a couple > > of interesting things after talking to iiNet. One of them is that they filter > > ``code red,'' or in other words *all* HTTP access to their ADSL clients. > Not to this client, they don't - or not successfully, anyway: Could be new. The last CR attempt that I can see in my iiNet DSL web server access logs is Dec 19 2001 from sdn-ar-002paharrP084.dialsprint.net. -- James Bromberger www.james.rcpt.to Australian Debian Conference: http://www.linux.org.au/conf/debiancon.html Remainder moved to http://www.james.rcpt.to/james/sig.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From leon at brooks.fdns.net Tue Jan 8 14:08:13 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:08:13 +0800 Subject: [plug] Grumble, grumble, Windows strikes again In-Reply-To: <20020108132334.C21994@twobluedots.com.au> References: <20020108051531.E57743258B1@mail.old-firestation.net> <20020108132334.C21994@twobluedots.com.au> Message-ID: <20020108060844.7E4323258C1@mail.old-firestation.net> On Tuesday 08 January 2002 13:23, Colin Muller wrote: > On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 01:15:01PM +0800, Leon Brooks wrote: >> I'm currently shopping around for broadband access, and discovered a >> couple of interesting things after talking to iiNet. One of them is that >> they filter ``code red,'' or in other words *all* HTTP access to their >> ADSL clients. > Not to this client, they don't - or not successfully, anyway: Are you a home or business user? It probably makes a difference. Cheers; Leon From arkem at mornmist.2y.net Tue Jan 8 14:15:43 2002 From: arkem at mornmist.2y.net (Arkem (Paul)) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:15:43 +0800 Subject: [plug] Grumble, grumble, Windows strikes again In-Reply-To: <20020108060844.7E4323258C1@mail.old-firestation.net> References: <20020108051531.E57743258B1@mail.old-firestation.net> <20020108132334.C21994@twobluedots.com.au> <20020108060844.7E4323258C1@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:08, Leon Brooks wrote: > On Tuesday 08 January 2002 13:23, Colin Muller wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 01:15:01PM +0800, Leon Brooks wrote: > >> I'm currently shopping around for broadband access, and > >> discovered a couple of interesting things after talking to > >> iiNet. One of them is that they filter ``code red,'' or in other > >> words *all* HTTP access to their ADSL clients. > > > > Not to this client, they don't - or not successfully, anyway: > > Are you a home or business user? It probably makes a difference. > IIRC iiNet filters ports 25 and 80 on their home ADSL users because they are residential and not designed for hosting. The corporate accounts are hosting friendly as you get static IPs and no blocked ports. This is based off what iiNet told me when I enquired. Regards, Paul C From cottmain at yahoo.com.au Tue Jan 8 14:33:30 2002 From: cottmain at yahoo.com.au (Daniel) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 14:33:30 +0800 Subject: [plug] Grumble, grumble, Windows strikes again In-Reply-To: <20020108051531.E57743258B1@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020108142130.026eceb8@144.135.24.13> Hi Leon, iinet's new Explorer ADSL $79.95pcm Traffic 3000M(1000M Peak, 2000M Offpeak) seems much the same as Telstra with T chosen as a phone service provider except T doesn't care when you download, and I think T reduce it a further $5pcm when your contract expires. Would I be right in guessing you are looking at the more expensive options? Interesting what you say about iinet not having their own DSLAMS. I wonder if the service would have the same 'reliability' or 'uptime' associated with Telstra? Cheers, Daniel. At 13:15 8/01/2002 +0800, you wrote: >I'm currently shopping around for broadband access, and discovered a couple >of interesting things after talking to iiNet. One of them is that they filter >``code red,'' or in other words *all* HTTP access to their ADSL clients. >Thanks for that, Bill. > >The other is that iiNet don't actually own any DSLAMs, they're all owned by >Telstra. So if you buy ADSL through (for example) Indigo, you're getting it >from a reseller for iiNet who in turn are a reseller for Telstra. The current >choice in ADSL with affordable download limits is really Telstra or Telstra. >Not healthy. > >One other thing, if you get iiNet's ``unlimited'' ADSL account, it's >throttled at 10GB/month. The iiNet bloke was unable to tell me how throttled. > >Cheers; Leon From skribe at amber.com.au Tue Jan 8 14:30:24 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:30:24 +0800 Subject: [plug] Putting things into perspective In-Reply-To: <20020105141329.147B43251EC@mail.old-firestation.net> References: <20020105141329.147B43251EC@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: <02010814302402.19780@oberon.amber.com.au> On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 22:12, Leon Brooks wrote: > Worth quoting in your next job application: > > http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-01-04-010-20-NW-BZ-MS-0 >040 I've just got permission from the authors and have added it to the web site. Great stuff. Thanks Leon. skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 Q: Why don't lawyers go to the beach? A: The cats keep trying to bury them. From wootenaa at hotmail.com Tue Jan 8 14:31:18 2002 From: wootenaa at hotmail.com (Aaron Wooten) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:31:18 +0800 Subject: [plug] Gigbyte Motherboard References: <20020108051531.E57743258B1@mail.old-firestation.net> <20020108132334.C21994@twobluedots.com.au> <20020108060844.7E4323258C1@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: Hi All I am in the process of deciding which motherboard to buy for my Duron 950, and I have stumbled across a Gigabyte GA-7DXR+ It looks quite nice, does anyone have any comments, suggestion or alternatives ? Thanks Aaron From brian at paradigmit.com.au Tue Jan 8 14:26:24 2002 From: brian at paradigmit.com.au (Brian Tombleson) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:26:24 +0800 Subject: [plug] Grumble, grumble, Windows strikes again References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020108142130.026eceb8@144.135.24.13> Message-ID: <06fc01c1980d$6525d6e0$6400a8c0@brian> From: "Daniel" > iinet's new Explorer ADSL $79.95pcm Traffic 3000M(1000M Peak, 2000M > Offpeak) seems much the same as Telstra with T chosen as a phone service > provider except T doesn't care when you download, and I think T reduce it a > further $5pcm when your contract expires. Would I be right in guessing > you are looking at the more expensive options? One important thing you're overlooking is that Iinet provide a static IP address by default whereas with T you have to go to a compeltely different section of the company that don't talk to any other sections where you pay for every Mb with a minimum of $699pcm. "More expensive" doesn't begin to describe how f*!&ing ludicrously this is priced. Of course, if you don't want to host any services, then you can happily live without any of this concern. - Brian. From arkem at mornmist.2y.net Tue Jan 8 14:41:48 2002 From: arkem at mornmist.2y.net (Arkem (Paul)) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:41:48 +0800 Subject: [plug] Grumble, grumble, Windows strikes again In-Reply-To: <06fc01c1980d$6525d6e0$6400a8c0@brian> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020108142130.026eceb8@144.135.24.13> <06fc01c1980d$6525d6e0$6400a8c0@brian> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:26, Brian Tombleson wrote: > From: "Daniel" > > > iinet's new Explorer ADSL $79.95pcm Traffic 3000M(1000M Peak, > > 2000M Offpeak) seems much the same as Telstra with T chosen as a > > phone service provider except T doesn't care when you download, > > and I think T reduce it > > a > > > further $5pcm when your contract expires. Would I be right in > > guessing you are looking at the more expensive options? > > One important thing you're overlooking is that Iinet provide a > static IP address by default whereas with T you have to go to a > compeltely different section of the company that don't talk to any > other sections where you pay for every Mb with a minimum of > $699pcm. "More expensive" doesn't begin to describe how f*!&ing > ludicrously this is priced. The iiNet account above does not have a static IP address (according to iiNet) it also uses (or is being switched over to) pppoe like telstra. It appears that the iiNet explorer and Bigpond's unlimited account are both nigh on identical. With iiNet's being a little cheaper (both per month and per meg) but having its download limit split over time periods and having some blocked ports. While Bigpond is slightly more expensive but has no blocked ports. The reliability is the same due to the same infrastructure used and its interesting to see that fault reporting emails from iinet and bigpond seem to coincide when ADSL is concerned. The major difference between the two providers would have to be customer service. Whichever you think has the customer service would come out the winner if you were comparing iiNet Explorer home ADSL and Bigpond residential 3gb ADSL. - Paul C From Russell.Hobman at watercorporation.com.au Tue Jan 8 14:41:15 2002 From: Russell.Hobman at watercorporation.com.au (Russell Hobman) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:41:15 +0800 Subject: [plug] Gigbyte Motherboard Message-ID: <47E91C2E82EDD211A9980010E3621EADB4D45C@SVNTBY1-03.watercorporation.com.au> AARON, you might like to check out the MSI K7T266 pro2. cheers, Russell. > -----Original Message----- > From: Aaron Wooten [SMTP:wootenaa at hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 2:30 PM > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: [plug] Gigbyte Motherboard > > Hi All > > I am in the process of deciding which motherboard to buy for my > Duron 950, and I have stumbled across a Gigabyte GA-7DXR+ > It looks quite nice, does anyone have any comments, suggestion or > alternatives ? > > Thanks > > Aaron From jensz at wn.com.au Tue Jan 8 14:53:00 2002 From: jensz at wn.com.au (Ben Jensz) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:53:00 +0800 Subject: [plug] Gigbyte Motherboard References: <20020108051531.E57743258B1@mail.old-firestation.net> <20020108132334.C21994@twobluedots.com.au> <20020108060844.7E4323258C1@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: <002201c19811$2262a280$0a00a8c0@infotech1> I've been pretty happy with MSI motherboards, I've got MSI boards in all 3 of my computers (two Athlons (1.2 and 1.4) and one Celeron 400). Incidentally enough my work computer (Athlon 600) has an MSI motherboard in it too and its run flawlessly also. The only problem I've had with any of them was the MSI K7T Pro 2A, I run an Athlon T-Bird 1.2 on it and to keep it cool enough I had to put a heatsink with a 7000rpm Delta fan onto it. The power consumption of the Delta was too much for the motherboard fan power connectors to handle and the CPU fan connector died (rest of the board works fine), thats why most heatsink + fan combos with high speed fans (6000rpm+) now come with separate adaptors to run them directly off of the power supply. You could probably get an MSI K7T Turbo that will run your Duron from Austin for $215 (that board is almost the same as the K7T Pro 2 I've got). I've heard mixed things about Gigabyte motherboards.. some good, some bad. / Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Wooten" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 2:31 PM Subject: [plug] Gigbyte Motherboard > Hi All > > I am in the process of deciding which motherboard to buy for my > Duron 950, and I have stumbled across a Gigabyte GA-7DXR+ > It looks quite nice, does anyone have any comments, suggestion or > alternatives ? > > Thanks > > Aaron > From jensz at wn.com.au Tue Jan 8 14:55:37 2002 From: jensz at wn.com.au (Ben Jensz) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:55:37 +0800 Subject: [plug] Gigbyte Motherboard References: <47E91C2E82EDD211A9980010E3621EADB4D45C@SVNTBY1-03.watercorporation.com.au> Message-ID: <002801c19811$92188130$0a00a8c0@infotech1> You can run a Duron 950 on that board, but unless you've already got DDR SDRAM, or want to go and fork out the money for some, then it won't be of much use since its a DDR only board (same board I've got in my main computer). Its got a nice looking red PCB though :). / Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Hobman" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 2:41 PM Subject: RE: [plug] Gigbyte Motherboard > AARON, you might like to check out the MSI K7T266 pro2. cheers, Russell. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Aaron Wooten [SMTP:wootenaa at hotmail.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 2:30 PM > > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > > Subject: [plug] Gigbyte Motherboard > > > > Hi All > > > > I am in the process of deciding which motherboard to buy for my > > Duron 950, and I have stumbled across a Gigabyte GA-7DXR+ > > It looks quite nice, does anyone have any comments, suggestion or > > alternatives ? > > > > Thanks > > > > Aaron > From colin at twobluedots.com.au Tue Jan 8 15:00:06 2002 From: colin at twobluedots.com.au (Colin Muller) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:00:06 +0800 Subject: [plug] Grumble, grumble, Windows strikes again In-Reply-To: <20020108060844.7E4323258C1@mail.old-firestation.net>; from leon@brooks.fdns.net on Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 02:08:13PM +0800 References: <20020108051531.E57743258B1@mail.old-firestation.net> <20020108132334.C21994@twobluedots.com.au> <20020108060844.7E4323258C1@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: <20020108150006.E21994@twobluedots.com.au> On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 02:08:13PM +0800, Leon Brooks wrote: > >> they filter ``code red,'' or in other words *all* HTTP access to their > >> ADSL clients. > > > Not to this client, they don't - or not successfully, anyway: > > Are you a home or business user? It probably makes a difference. It's a business account. Perhaps that explains it. I'm noticing relatively few code reds nowadays on another, definitely unfiltered server - maybe one a day at most. Nimda, on the other hand, is all over my log files. Colin From jensz at wn.com.au Tue Jan 8 15:00:27 2002 From: jensz at wn.com.au (Ben Jensz) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:00:27 +0800 Subject: [plug] Grumble, grumble, Windows strikes again References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020108142130.026eceb8@144.135.24.13> <06fc01c1980d$6525d6e0$6400a8c0@brian> Message-ID: <002c01c19812$2710a4c0$0a00a8c0@infotech1> Also to note is that if you're with iiNet you do get access to the WAIX (if you're a gamer thats very useful), unlike BigPond, but apparently at this stage, the WAIX traffic is part of your download limit with iiNet. I did hear someone mention that they might change that at some stage though. It might be worth just waiting to see what exactly does end up happening. / Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arkem (Paul)" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [plug] Grumble, grumble, Windows strikes again On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:26, Brian Tombleson wrote: > From: "Daniel" > > > iinet's new Explorer ADSL $79.95pcm Traffic 3000M(1000M Peak, > > 2000M Offpeak) seems much the same as Telstra with T chosen as a > > phone service provider except T doesn't care when you download, > > and I think T reduce it > > a > > > further $5pcm when your contract expires. Would I be right in > > guessing you are looking at the more expensive options? > > One important thing you're overlooking is that Iinet provide a > static IP address by default whereas with T you have to go to a > compeltely different section of the company that don't talk to any > other sections where you pay for every Mb with a minimum of > $699pcm. "More expensive" doesn't begin to describe how f*!&ing > ludicrously this is priced. The iiNet account above does not have a static IP address (according to iiNet) it also uses (or is being switched over to) pppoe like telstra. It appears that the iiNet explorer and Bigpond's unlimited account are both nigh on identical. With iiNet's being a little cheaper (both per month and per meg) but having its download limit split over time periods and having some blocked ports. While Bigpond is slightly more expensive but has no blocked ports. The reliability is the same due to the same infrastructure used and its interesting to see that fault reporting emails from iinet and bigpond seem to coincide when ADSL is concerned. The major difference between the two providers would have to be customer service. Whichever you think has the customer service would come out the winner if you were comparing iiNet Explorer home ADSL and Bigpond residential 3gb ADSL. - Paul C From gilksjm at iinet.net.au Tue Jan 8 15:03:06 2002 From: gilksjm at iinet.net.au (J Michael Gilks) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:03:06 +0800 Subject: [plug] Local Apache problem In-Reply-To: <001901c197fc$bdd1f190$0a00a8c0@infotech1> References: <20020108032231.24FFF7C6D@spark.plug.linux.org.au> <20020108042125.C3CF87C27@spark.plug.linux.org.au> <001901c197fc$bdd1f190$0a00a8c0@infotech1> Message-ID: <20020108070045.73AC57CF6@spark.plug.linux.org.au> On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:27, Ben Jensz wrote: > Whats the exact error that you get now? > > > / Ben > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Michael Gilks" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 12:23 PM > Subject: Re: [plug] Local Apache problem > > > Tried setting the server name to 127.0.0.1. httpd-perl starts OK, but > > httpd > > > just fails. At least now I don't get the long message, but would be nice > > if I > > > could make it work. Would it be something else in httpd.conf maybe. > > Thanks for your time. > > Love > > Mike. > > > > On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:29, Ben Jensz wrote: > > > You need to give the "ServerName" directive in Apache a setting. If > > > the machine you're using is the one running Apache, then just set > > > ServerName > > to > > > > 127.0.0.1. > > > > > > If you're connected to the net, I'd also use the "BindAddress" > > > directive and set it to "127.0.0.1" also, so you don't get people > > > outside > > accessing > > > > stuff from port 80. > > > > > > > > > / Ben > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "J Michael Gilks" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 11:24 AM > > > Subject: [plug] Local Apache problem > > > > > > > When I try to start apache I get the following message. > > > > > > > > Starting httpd-perl: [60G[ [1;32mOK [0;39m ] > > > > Starting httpd: [Tue Jan 8 11:16:40 2002] [alert] httpd: Could not > > > > > > determine > > > > > > > the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for > > ServerName > > > > > [60G[ [1;31mFAILED [0;39m] > > > > [Tue Jan 8 11:16:45 2002] [alert] httpd: Could not determine the > > > > server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName > > > > [60G[ [1;31mFAILED [0;39m] > > > > [Tue Jan 8 11:16:51 2002] [alert] httpd: Could not determine the > > > > server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName > > > > [60G[ [1;31mFAILED [0;39m] > > > > > > > > My hosts file contains the following entries > > > > > > > > 127.0.0.1 linux.personal localhost > > > > 192.168.0.1 linux.personal localhost linux > > > > > > > > The 127.0.0.1 line has been changed from localhost.localdomain to > > > > linux.personal with no effect. > > > > > > > > Can someone please suggest a solution to this problem as I need to > > debug > > > > some > > > > > > > PHP scripts and the machine won't connect to anything local. > > > > I am running Mandrake 8.1 > > > > Love > > > > Mike. From brian at paradigmit.com.au Tue Jan 8 15:09:27 2002 From: brian at paradigmit.com.au (Brian Tombleson) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:09:27 +0800 Subject: [plug] Grumble, grumble, Windows strikes again References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020108142130.026eceb8@144.135.24.13> <06fc01c1980d$6525d6e0$6400a8c0@brian> <002c01c19812$2710a4c0$0a00a8c0@infotech1> Message-ID: <072b01c19813$68cf6f30$6400a8c0@brian> From: "Ben Jensz" > Also to note is that if you're with iiNet you do get access to the WAIX (if > you're a gamer thats very useful), unlike BigPond, but apparently at this > stage, the WAIX traffic is part of your download limit with iiNet. I did > hear someone mention that they might change that at some stage though. It > might be worth just waiting to see what exactly does end up happening. Err .. yeah, my understanding is that Telstra charge iiNet for all traffic through the ADSL gateway, regardless of destination. Of course, this *would* be what they still say even if they're creaming the bonus and Telstra were being fair. In my pesimistic state of mind, I don't know who to believe but I'm trying to think of a scenario where they are BOTH milking the system and I would accept that as the most likely scenario :-) > > From: "Daniel" > > > iinet's new Explorer ADSL $79.95pcm Traffic 3000M(1000M Peak, > > > 2000M Offpeak) seems much the same as Telstra with T chosen as a > > > phone service provider except T doesn't care when you download, > > > and I think T reduce it > > One important thing you're overlooking is that Iinet provide a > > static IP address > The iiNet account above does not have a static IP address (according > to iiNet) it also uses (or is being switched over to) pppoe like > telstra. It appears that the iiNet explorer and Bigpond's unlimited > account are both nigh on identical. With iiNet's being a little > cheaper (both per month and per meg) but having its download limit > split over time periods and having some blocked ports. While Bigpond > is slightly more expensive but has no blocked ports. Yes, sorry .. I only just checked on the new accounts and now agree. Since you can't (easily/reliably) run a web server on a dynamic IP anyway it's kinda moot that they block the ports. I was thinking of their original "Express" and "Corporate" accounts in my initial response. - Brian. From wootenaa at hotmail.com Tue Jan 8 15:09:47 2002 From: wootenaa at hotmail.com (Aaron Wooten) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:09:47 +0800 Subject: [plug] Gigbyte Motherboard References: <47E91C2E82EDD211A9980010E3621EADB4D45C@SVNTBY1-03.watercorporation.com.au> <002801c19811$92188130$0a00a8c0@infotech1> Message-ID: -Ben do you know of any good boards that support ATA133 as I was thinking of getting a new Maxtor ATA133 hdd. Do you know what kinda price the mbs would be ? Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Jensz To: Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [plug] Gigbyte Motherboard > You can run a Duron 950 on that board, but unless you've already got DDR > SDRAM, or want to go and fork out the money for some, then it won't be of > much use since its a DDR only board (same board I've got in my main > computer). Its got a nice looking red PCB though :). > > > / Ben > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Russell Hobman" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 2:41 PM > Subject: RE: [plug] Gigbyte Motherboard > > > > AARON, you might like to check out the MSI K7T266 pro2. cheers, Russell. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Aaron Wooten [SMTP:wootenaa at hotmail.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 2:30 PM > > > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > > > Subject: [plug] Gigbyte Motherboard > > > > > > Hi All > > > > > > I am in the process of deciding which motherboard to buy for my > > > Duron 950, and I have stumbled across a Gigabyte GA-7DXR+ > > > It looks quite nice, does anyone have any comments, suggestion or > > > alternatives ? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Aaron > > > > From plug at goa-trance.org Tue Jan 8 15:28:18 2002 From: plug at goa-trance.org (Luke Dudney) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 15:28:18 +0800 Subject: [plug] Syslog daemons Message-ID: <3C3A9F92.1060307@goa-trance.org> Does anyone know of a syslog daemon that has the ability to log remote incoming syslog messages into separate files dependant upon the source address of the message? That is, I want a central syslog server for a large number of devices to keep a different log file for each device. None of the matches for 'syslog' on freshmeat or soureforge explicitly state that they can do this. Cheers, Luke From gilksjm at iinet.net.au Tue Jan 8 15:28:53 2002 From: gilksjm at iinet.net.au (J Michael Gilks) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:28:53 +0800 Subject: [plug] Local Apache problem In-Reply-To: <001901c197fc$bdd1f190$0a00a8c0@infotech1> References: <20020108032231.24FFF7C6D@spark.plug.linux.org.au> <20020108042125.C3CF87C27@spark.plug.linux.org.au> <001901c197fc$bdd1f190$0a00a8c0@infotech1> Message-ID: <20020108072634.BF9FE7CA6@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Sorry about the wait. The exact message is below Starting httpd-perl: [ OK ] Starting httpd: [FAILED] [FAILED] [FAILED] After this I just get a message when I try to connect to http://localhost. Error> Could not connect to host localhost. Bummer eh. Love Mike. On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:27, Ben Jensz wrote: > Whats the exact error that you get now? > > > / Ben > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Michael Gilks" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 12:23 PM > Subject: Re: [plug] Local Apache problem > > > Tried setting the server name to 127.0.0.1. httpd-perl starts OK, but > > httpd > > > just fails. At least now I don't get the long message, but would be nice > > if I > > > could make it work. Would it be something else in httpd.conf maybe. > > Thanks for your time. > > Love > > Mike. > > > > On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:29, Ben Jensz wrote: > > > You need to give the "ServerName" directive in Apache a setting. If > > > the machine you're using is the one running Apache, then just set > > > ServerName > > to > > > > 127.0.0.1. > > > > > > If you're connected to the net, I'd also use the "BindAddress" > > > directive and set it to "127.0.0.1" also, so you don't get people > > > outside > > accessing > > > > stuff from port 80. > > > > > > > > > / Ben > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "J Michael Gilks" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 11:24 AM > > > Subject: [plug] Local Apache problem > > > > > > > When I try to start apache I get the following message. > > > > > > > > Starting httpd-perl: [60G[ [1;32mOK [0;39m ] > > > > Starting httpd: [Tue Jan 8 11:16:40 2002] [alert] httpd: Could not > > > > > > determine > > > > > > > the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for > > ServerName > > > > > [60G[ [1;31mFAILED [0;39m] > > > > [Tue Jan 8 11:16:45 2002] [alert] httpd: Could not determine the > > > > server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName > > > > [60G[ [1;31mFAILED [0;39m] > > > > [Tue Jan 8 11:16:51 2002] [alert] httpd: Could not determine the > > > > server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName > > > > [60G[ [1;31mFAILED [0;39m] > > > > > > > > My hosts file contains the following entries > > > > > > > > 127.0.0.1 linux.personal localhost > > > > 192.168.0.1 linux.personal localhost linux > > > > > > > > The 127.0.0.1 line has been changed from localhost.localdomain to > > > > linux.personal with no effect. > > > > > > > > Can someone please suggest a solution to this problem as I need to > > debug > > > > some > > > > > > > PHP scripts and the machine won't connect to anything local. > > > > I am running Mandrake 8.1 > > > > Love > > > > Mike. From tony at cantech.net.au Tue Jan 8 15:34:34 2002 From: tony at cantech.net.au (Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:34:34 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] Syslog daemons In-Reply-To: <3C3A9F92.1060307@goa-trance.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Luke Dudney wrote: > Does anyone know of a syslog daemon that has the ability to log remote > incoming syslog messages into separate files dependant upon the source > address of the message? > That is, I want a central syslog server for a large number of devices to > keep a different log file for each device. I'd say it's easier to get all devices to log to server a.b.c.d on say local5 then at the server split all the local5 entries into a differnt file. Then postprocess that file into seperate files for each source. I do just this for about 30 HP printers. Yours Tony. /* * "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the * same level of thinking we were at when we created them." * --Albert Einstein */ From ryan at prodigital.net.au Tue Jan 8 15:43:28 2002 From: ryan at prodigital.net.au (Ryan) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:43:28 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] Syslog daemons In-Reply-To: <3C3A9F92.1060307@goa-trance.org> References: <3C3A9F92.1060307@goa-trance.org> Message-ID: <2076.203.47.39.199.1010475808.squirrel@www.prodigital.net.au> Looked at syslog-ng ? I haven't had a good look at it's features but it looks like it may do what you want: http://www.balabit.hu/en/downloads/syslog-ng/ It's in the Debian distro too. Ryan > Does anyone know of a syslog daemon that has the ability to log remote > incoming syslog messages into separate files dependant upon the source > address of the message? > That is, I want a central syslog server for a large number of devices > to keep a different log file for each device. From jensz at wn.com.au Tue Jan 8 15:43:41 2002 From: jensz at wn.com.au (Ben Jensz) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:43:41 +0800 Subject: [plug] Local Apache problem References: <20020108032231.24FFF7C6D@spark.plug.linux.org.au> <20020108042125.C3CF87C27@spark.plug.linux.org.au> <001901c197fc$bdd1f190$0a00a8c0@infotech1> <20020108072634.BF9FE7CA6@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Message-ID: <005301c19818$317765b0$0a00a8c0@infotech1> Is it possible to do a "configtest" rather than "start" and see what that brings up. If that isn't possible with the httpd script, then have a look at the error_log file from Apache and see if it says anything meaningful in that. I don't know what the exact setup of Apache is like on Mandrake 8.1 (haven't touched Mandrake since 7.1), I'd be looking through httpd.conf to see if there is anything in there that hasn't been configured. Which version of Apache comes with Mandrake 8.1 anyway? / Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Michael Gilks" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [plug] Local Apache problem > Sorry about the wait. The exact message is below > > Starting httpd-perl: [ OK ] > Starting httpd: [FAILED] > [FAILED] > [FAILED] > After this I just get a message when I try to connect to http://localhost. > Error> Could not connect to host localhost. > Bummer eh. > Love > Mike. > > On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:27, Ben Jensz wrote: > > Whats the exact error that you get now? > > > > > > / Ben > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "J Michael Gilks" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 12:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [plug] Local Apache problem > > > > > Tried setting the server name to 127.0.0.1. httpd-perl starts OK, but > > > > httpd > > > > > just fails. At least now I don't get the long message, but would be nice > > > > if I > > > > > could make it work. Would it be something else in httpd.conf maybe. > > > Thanks for your time. > > > Love > > > Mike. > > > > > > On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:29, Ben Jensz wrote: > > > > You need to give the "ServerName" directive in Apache a setting. If > > > > the machine you're using is the one running Apache, then just set > > > > ServerName > > > > to > > > > > > 127.0.0.1. > > > > > > > > If you're connected to the net, I'd also use the "BindAddress" > > > > directive and set it to "127.0.0.1" also, so you don't get people > > > > outside > > > > accessing > > > > > > stuff from port 80. > > > > > > > > > > > > / Ben > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "J Michael Gilks" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 11:24 AM > > > > Subject: [plug] Local Apache problem > > > > > > > > > When I try to start apache I get the following message. > > > > > > > > > > Starting httpd-perl: [60G[ [1;32mOK [0;39m ] > > > > > Starting httpd: [Tue Jan 8 11:16:40 2002] [alert] httpd: Could not > > > > > > > > determine > > > > > > > > > the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for > > > > ServerName > > > > > > > [60G[ [1;31mFAILED [0;39m] > > > > > [Tue Jan 8 11:16:45 2002] [alert] httpd: Could not determine the > > > > > server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName > > > > > [60G[ [1;31mFAILED [0;39m] > > > > > [Tue Jan 8 11:16:51 2002] [alert] httpd: Could not determine the > > > > > server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName > > > > > [60G[ [1;31mFAILED [0;39m] > > > > > > > > > > My hosts file contains the following entries > > > > > > > > > > 127.0.0.1 linux.personal localhost > > > > > 192.168.0.1 linux.personal localhost linux > > > > > > > > > > The 127.0.0.1 line has been changed from localhost.localdomain to > > > > > linux.personal with no effect. > > > > > > > > > > Can someone please suggest a solution to this problem as I need to > > > > debug > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > PHP scripts and the machine won't connect to anything local. > > > > > I am running Mandrake 8.1 > > > > > Love > > > > > Mike. > From gilksjm at iinet.net.au Tue Jan 8 15:56:51 2002 From: gilksjm at iinet.net.au (J Michael Gilks) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:56:51 +0800 Subject: [plug] Local Apache problem In-Reply-To: <005301c19818$317765b0$0a00a8c0@infotech1> References: <20020108032231.24FFF7C6D@spark.plug.linux.org.au> <20020108072634.BF9FE7CA6@spark.plug.linux.org.au> <005301c19818$317765b0$0a00a8c0@infotech1> Message-ID: <20020108075430.C723E7CA0@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Configtest says configuration sanity is ok. Error log says there is a problem with the Zend debug server license. Will continue with that. Thanks for your time Love Mike. On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:43, Ben Jensz wrote: > Is it possible to do a "configtest" rather than "start" and see what that > brings up. If that isn't possible with the httpd script, then have a look > at the error_log file from Apache and see if it says anything meaningful in > that. > > I don't know what the exact setup of Apache is like on Mandrake 8.1 > (haven't touched Mandrake since 7.1), I'd be looking through httpd.conf to > see if there is anything in there that hasn't been configured. Which > version of Apache comes with Mandrake 8.1 anyway? > > > / Ben > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Michael Gilks" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 3:28 PM > Subject: Re: [plug] Local Apache problem > > > Sorry about the wait. The exact message is below > > > > Starting httpd-perl: [ OK ] > > Starting httpd: [FAILED] > > [FAILED] > > [FAILED] > > After this I just get a message when I try to connect to > > http://localhost. Error> Could not connect to host localhost. > > Bummer eh. > > Love > > Mike. > > > > On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:27, Ben Jensz wrote: > > > Whats the exact error that you get now? > > > > > > > > > / Ben > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "J Michael Gilks" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 12:23 PM > > > Subject: Re: [plug] Local Apache problem > > > > > > > Tried setting the server name to 127.0.0.1. httpd-perl starts OK, but > > > > > > httpd > > > > > > > just fails. At least now I don't get the long message, but would be > > nice > > > > if I > > > > > > > could make it work. Would it be something else in httpd.conf maybe. > > > > Thanks for your time. > > > > Love > > > > Mike. > > > > > > > > On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:29, Ben Jensz wrote: > > > > > You need to give the "ServerName" directive in Apache a setting. > > > > > If the machine you're using is the one running Apache, then just > > > > > set ServerName > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > 127.0.0.1. > > > > > > > > > > If you're connected to the net, I'd also use the "BindAddress" > > > > > directive and set it to "127.0.0.1" also, so you don't get people > > > > > outside > > > > > > accessing > > > > > > > > stuff from port 80. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > / Ben > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "J Michael Gilks" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 11:24 AM > > > > > Subject: [plug] Local Apache problem > > > > > > > > > > > When I try to start apache I get the following message. > > > > > > > > > > > > Starting httpd-perl: [60G[ [1;32mOK [0;39m ] > > > > > > Starting httpd: [Tue Jan 8 11:16:40 2002] [alert] httpd: Could > > not > > > > > > determine > > > > > > > > > > > the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for > > > > > > ServerName > > > > > > > > > [60G[ [1;31mFAILED [0;39m] > > > > > > [Tue Jan 8 11:16:45 2002] [alert] httpd: Could not determine the > > > > > > server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for > > ServerName > > > > > > > [60G[ [1;31mFAILED [0;39m] > > > > > > [Tue Jan 8 11:16:51 2002] [alert] httpd: Could not determine the > > > > > > server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for > > ServerName > > > > > > > [60G[ [1;31mFAILED [0;39m] > > > > > > > > > > > > My hosts file contains the following entries > > > > > > > > > > > > 127.0.0.1 linux.personal localhost > > > > > > 192.168.0.1 linux.personal localhost linux > > > > > > > > > > > > The 127.0.0.1 line has been changed from localhost.localdomain to > > > > > > linux.personal with no effect. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone please suggest a solution to this problem as I need > > > > > > to > > > > > > debug > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > PHP scripts and the machine won't connect to anything local. > > > > > > I am running Mandrake 8.1 > > > > > > Love > > > > > > Mike. From jensz at wn.com.au Tue Jan 8 15:59:30 2002 From: jensz at wn.com.au (Ben Jensz) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:59:30 +0800 Subject: [plug] Gigbyte Motherboard References: <47E91C2E82EDD211A9980010E3621EADB4D45C@SVNTBY1-03.watercorporation.com.au> <002801c19811$92188130$0a00a8c0@infotech1> Message-ID: <005801c1981a$69b9cb00$0a00a8c0@infotech1> I doubt that any new Via KT133 boards will be coming out, I think a fair few of those support ATA100 though (the MSI one I have does). I'd be guessing that the boards that are most likely to have ATA133 would be the new boards out, which most probably are DDR SDRAM only boards, as something with an ATA133 controller would probably be more aimed towards the performance users market. On a quick look around, the only AMD board I found with ATA133 was the Abit KR7A-RAID. The only place I found that actually sells them as yet is AusPc Market and it costs just under $400.. which is a pretty pricey motherboard... / Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Wooten" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [plug] Gigbyte Motherboard > -Ben do you know of any good boards that support ATA133 as I was thinking of > getting a new Maxtor ATA133 hdd. Do you know what kinda price the mbs would > be ? > > Thanks > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ben Jensz > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 2:55 PM > Subject: Re: [plug] Gigbyte Motherboard > > > > You can run a Duron 950 on that board, but unless you've already got DDR > > SDRAM, or want to go and fork out the money for some, then it won't be of > > much use since its a DDR only board (same board I've got in my main > > computer). Its got a nice looking red PCB though :). > > > > > > / Ben > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Russell Hobman" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 2:41 PM > > Subject: RE: [plug] Gigbyte Motherboard > > > > > > > AARON, you might like to check out the MSI K7T266 pro2. cheers, Russell. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Aaron Wooten [SMTP:wootenaa at hotmail.com] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 2:30 PM > > > > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > > > > Subject: [plug] Gigbyte Motherboard > > > > > > > > Hi All > > > > > > > > I am in the process of deciding which motherboard to buy for my > > > > Duron 950, and I have stumbled across a Gigabyte GA-7DXR+ > > > > It looks quite nice, does anyone have any comments, suggestion or > > > > alternatives ? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Aaron > > > > > > > > From jensz at wn.com.au Tue Jan 8 16:00:38 2002 From: jensz at wn.com.au (Ben Jensz) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:00:38 +0800 Subject: [plug] Local Apache problem References: <20020108032231.24FFF7C6D@spark.plug.linux.org.au> <20020108072634.BF9FE7CA6@spark.plug.linux.org.au> <005301c19818$317765b0$0a00a8c0@infotech1> <20020108075430.C723E7CA0@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Message-ID: <006001c1981a$8f889870$0a00a8c0@infotech1> Packages can be a real pain sometimes... good luck with it :). / Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Michael Gilks" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [plug] Local Apache problem > Configtest says configuration sanity is ok. > Error log says there is a problem with the Zend debug server license. Will > continue with that. Thanks for your time > Love > Mike. > On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:43, Ben Jensz wrote: > > Is it possible to do a "configtest" rather than "start" and see what that > > brings up. If that isn't possible with the httpd script, then have a look > > at the error_log file from Apache and see if it says anything meaningful in > > that. > > > > I don't know what the exact setup of Apache is like on Mandrake 8.1 > > (haven't touched Mandrake since 7.1), I'd be looking through httpd.conf to > > see if there is anything in there that hasn't been configured. Which > > version of Apache comes with Mandrake 8.1 anyway? > > > > > > / Ben > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "J Michael Gilks" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 3:28 PM > > Subject: Re: [plug] Local Apache problem > > > > > Sorry about the wait. The exact message is below > > > > > > Starting httpd-perl: [ OK ] > > > Starting httpd: [FAILED] > > > [FAILED] > > > [FAILED] > > > After this I just get a message when I try to connect to > > > http://localhost. Error> Could not connect to host localhost. > > > Bummer eh. > > > Love > > > Mike. > > > > > > On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:27, Ben Jensz wrote: > > > > Whats the exact error that you get now? > > > > > > > > > > > > / Ben > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "J Michael Gilks" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 12:23 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [plug] Local Apache problem > > > > > > > > > Tried setting the server name to 127.0.0.1. httpd-perl starts OK, but > > > > > > > > httpd > > > > > > > > > just fails. At least now I don't get the long message, but would be > > > > nice > > > > > > if I > > > > > > > > > could make it work. Would it be something else in httpd.conf maybe. > > > > > Thanks for your time. > > > > > Love > > > > > Mike. > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:29, Ben Jensz wrote: > > > > > > You need to give the "ServerName" directive in Apache a setting. > > > > > > If the machine you're using is the one running Apache, then just > > > > > > set ServerName > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > 127.0.0.1. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're connected to the net, I'd also use the "BindAddress" > > > > > > directive and set it to "127.0.0.1" also, so you don't get people > > > > > > outside > > > > > > > > accessing > > > > > > > > > > stuff from port 80. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > / Ben > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "J Michael Gilks" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 11:24 AM > > > > > > Subject: [plug] Local Apache problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I try to start apache I get the following message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Starting httpd-perl: [60G[ [1;32mOK [0;39m ] > > > > > > > Starting httpd: [Tue Jan 8 11:16:40 2002] [alert] httpd: Could > > > > not > > > > > > > > determine > > > > > > > > > > > > > the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for > > > > > > > > ServerName > > > > > > > > > > > [60G[ [1;31mFAILED [0;39m] > > > > > > > [Tue Jan 8 11:16:45 2002] [alert] httpd: Could not determine the > > > > > > > server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for > > > > ServerName > > > > > > > > > [60G[ [1;31mFAILED [0;39m] > > > > > > > [Tue Jan 8 11:16:51 2002] [alert] httpd: Could not determine the > > > > > > > server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for > > > > ServerName > > > > > > > > > [60G[ [1;31mFAILED [0;39m] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My hosts file contains the following entries > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 127.0.0.1 linux.personal localhost > > > > > > > 192.168.0.1 linux.personal localhost linux > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 127.0.0.1 line has been changed from localhost.localdomain to > > > > > > > linux.personal with no effect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone please suggest a solution to this problem as I need > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > debug > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > PHP scripts and the machine won't connect to anything local. > > > > > > > I am running Mandrake 8.1 > > > > > > > Love > > > > > > > Mike. > From skribe at amber.com.au Tue Jan 8 16:46:01 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:46:01 +0800 Subject: [plug] PLUG Logo Message-ID: <02010816460100.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> Celine has produced a contender for the logo. http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/PLUG-logo-sm.png A colour version will be available shortly. skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 Observe yon plumed biped fine. To activate its captivation, Deposit on its termination, A quantity of particles saline. From cottmain at yahoo.com.au Tue Jan 8 17:11:17 2002 From: cottmain at yahoo.com.au (Daniel) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:11:17 +0800 Subject: [plug] Setting up Bootable diskless workstations over network and remote booting In-Reply-To: <005301c19818$317765b0$0a00a8c0@infotech1> References: <20020108032231.24FFF7C6D@spark.plug.linux.org.au> <20020108042125.C3CF87C27@spark.plug.linux.org.au> <001901c197fc$bdd1f190$0a00a8c0@infotech1> <20020108072634.BF9FE7CA6@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020108165053.0285a008@144.135.24.13> Hi plug, I wonder if someone can put me right on this - to be able to boot diskless workstations do you need both a PXE compatable bios and NIC? Are these things expensive? Presumably the boot choice will then be available in the bios? (I know much more would need to be done to set up a bootable image it can access from the server) Is this the same sort of setup that can be used for remote booting of a regular machine with a hdd (as described by iinet at their open day to reconfigure a server remotely - they went on to say that they can remotely setup a new machine as a mail server running Debian in 10 minutes). Presumably if setup correctly it could be made to get an image of any o/s and dump it back on the machine's hdd? http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT5834950453.html Regards, Daniel. From konrad at impress-promotions.com.au Tue Jan 8 17:39:30 2002 From: konrad at impress-promotions.com.au (Konrad Rubin) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:39:30 +0800 Subject: [plug] PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: <02010816460100.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020108173313.00ab9dd0@webmail.linuxwa.com.au> Like the concept and if coloured in it would be a nice one. Miss the Spark though. Do we have to settle for one logo otr can we have a couple of them? I think this one and a Spark version - plug = spark from the plug would be the go. But the surfie one is nice. Konrad At 04:46 PM 8/01/2002 +0800, you wrote: >Celine has produced a contender for the logo. > >http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/PLUG-logo-sm.png > >A colour version will be available shortly. > >skribe >-- >Public key information available at: >http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html >Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 > >Observe yon plumed biped fine. >To activate its captivation, >Deposit on its termination, >A quantity of particles saline. From skribe at amber.com.au Tue Jan 8 17:47:50 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:47:50 +0800 Subject: [plug] PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: <02010816460100.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> References: <02010816460100.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> Message-ID: <02010817475002.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> Colour one now available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/PLUG-logo-colour-sm.png skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 Ever wonder if taxation without representation might have been cheaper? From leon at brooks.fdns.net Tue Jan 8 17:48:55 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:48:55 +0800 Subject: [plug] Grumble, grumble, Windows strikes again In-Reply-To: <072b01c19813$68cf6f30$6400a8c0@brian> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020108142130.026eceb8@144.135.24.13> <002c01c19812$2710a4c0$0a00a8c0@infotech1> <072b01c19813$68cf6f30$6400a8c0@brian> Message-ID: <20020108094927.546DC3256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> On Tuesday 08 January 2002 15:09, Brian Tombleson wrote: > From: "Ben Jensz" > Err .. yeah, my understanding is that Telstra charge iiNet for all traffic > through the ADSL gateway, regardless of destination. Yah, but I bet they don't charge anything like 17c a meg! Eftel charge 2c a meg for WAIX traffic, which IMHO is either a ripoff or they don't understand what they're getting from WAIX. Nevertheless, a policy like that would be an improvement on full price. > Yes, sorry .. I only just checked on the new accounts and now agree. Since > you can't (easily/reliably) run a web server on a dynamic IP anyway it's > kinda moot that they block the ports. Well... if your ADSL drops carrier once a month or less and for a minute or so only, a short (five-minutes or thereabouts) timeout on the DNS records makes this a reasonable proposition. Cheers; Leon From leon at brooks.fdns.net Tue Jan 8 17:53:27 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:53:27 +0800 Subject: [plug] PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: <02010816460100.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> References: <02010816460100.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> Message-ID: <20020108095359.B49303256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> On Tuesday 08 January 2002 16:46, skribe wrote: > Celine has produced a contender for the logo. > http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/PLUG-logo-sm.png > A colour version will be available shortly. The wave motif is very well done. Perhaps tilt the board a bit so that the 240V brass fins are visible? Show Celine a mains plug? What I'm hinting at, in plainer language, is that there's no actual plug anywhere in the logo. Other than that, it's sufficiently different from the others and way more than sufficently stylish and artistic to pass muster. Make sure Celine gets an attrib either directly or in the PNG comments field. Cheers; Leon From leon at brooks.fdns.net Tue Jan 8 17:55:35 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:55:35 +0800 Subject: [plug] PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: <02010817475002.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> References: <02010816460100.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> <02010817475002.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> Message-ID: <20020108095607.353AF3256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> On Tuesday 08 January 2002 17:47, skribe wrote: > Colour one now available at: > http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/PLUG-logo-colour-sm.png Perhaps also make the text a little more... wave-coloured? (-: The bold colours for the bird and board work well. Cheers; Leon From leon at brooks.fdns.net Tue Jan 8 17:57:39 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:57:39 +0800 Subject: [plug] PLUG Logo (alternate suggestion for colours) In-Reply-To: <20020108095607.353AF3256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> References: <02010816460100.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> <02010817475002.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> <20020108095607.353AF3256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: <20020108095811.484AE3256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> On Tuesday 08 January 2002 17:55, Leon Brooks wrote: > On Tuesday 08 January 2002 17:47, skribe wrote: >> Colour one now available at: >> http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/PLUG-logo-colour-sm.png > Perhaps also make the text a little more... wave-coloured? (-: Alternate suggestion: put it all on a water-coloured background (maybe water01 from the KDE background textures?) and leave the text white and foamy-looking. Cheers; Leon From hooker at opera.iinet.net.au Tue Jan 8 17:55:54 2002 From: hooker at opera.iinet.net.au (Hook) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:55:54 +0800 Subject: [plug] Grumble, grumble, Windows strikes again References: <20020108051531.E57743258B1@mail.old-firestation.net> <06a601c19806$1cce4370$6400a8c0@brian> Message-ID: <003e01c1982a$aa6552e0$0c00a8c0@hathor> Brian Tombleson wrote : > > From: "Leon Brooks" > > One other thing, if you get iiNet's ``unlimited'' ADSL account, it's > > throttled at 10GB/month. The iiNet bloke was unable to tell me how > throttled. > > Apparently down to 56K until the end of the month. How much it's throttled depends on how much of the link is in use. The ATM pipe is a fixed size, and the throttling process ensures that other classes of account get a higher proportion of the available bandwidth. Once you reach 10 Gb, you'll probably do better between midnight and 6 am. Paul Wilson From skribe at amber.com.au Tue Jan 8 18:09:11 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:09:11 +0800 Subject: [plug] PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: <20020108095359.B49303256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> References: <02010816460100.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> <20020108095359.B49303256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: <02010818091103.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:53, Leon Brooks wrote: > Make sure Celine gets an attrib either directly or in the PNG comments > field. How do I add a PNG comment with gimp? skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 Peace, n.: In international affairs, a period of cheating between two periods of fighting. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" From skribe at amber.com.au Tue Jan 8 18:11:09 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:11:09 +0800 Subject: [plug] PLUG Logo (alternate suggestion for colours) In-Reply-To: <20020108095811.484AE3256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> References: <02010816460100.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> <20020108095607.353AF3256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> <20020108095811.484AE3256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: <02010818110904.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:57, Leon Brooks wrote: > On Tuesday 08 January 2002 17:55, Leon Brooks wrote: > > On Tuesday 08 January 2002 17:47, skribe wrote: > >> Colour one now available at: > >> > >> http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/PLUG-logo-colour-sm.png > > > > Perhaps also make the text a little more... wave-coloured? (-: It is wave coloured =). The colour of a wave just as it is about to break. Been a while since your last visit to the beach? ;) > Alternate suggestion: put it all on a water-coloured background (maybe > water01 from the KDE background textures?) and leave the text white and > foamy-looking. Yeah, we were considering something like that, but we also wanted to keep the logo as simple as possible. We can do various versions as necessary. skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 Your domestic life may be harmonious. From leon at brooks.fdns.net Tue Jan 8 18:12:58 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:12:58 +0800 Subject: [plug] PLUG Logo (roughy of alt suggestion) In-Reply-To: <20020108095811.484AE3256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> References: <02010816460100.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> <20020108095607.353AF3256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> <20020108095811.484AE3256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: <20020108101332.6DF9B3256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> On Tuesday 08 January 2002 17:57, Leon Brooks wrote: > On Tuesday 08 January 2002 17:55, Leon Brooks wrote: >> On Tuesday 08 January 2002 17:47, skribe wrote: >>> Colour one now available at: >>> http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/PLUG-logo-colour-sm.png >> Perhaps also make the text a little more... wave-coloured? (-: > Alternate suggestion: put it all on a water-coloured background (maybe > water01 from the KDE background textures?) and leave the text white and > foamy-looking. For an example (I'm sure Celene can do this stuff much better than I, maybe warp the pattern a bit to visually link it with the ``frothy'' text), http://plug.linux.org.au/~leonb/plug-logo-small-watery.png (also .xcf). Cheers; Leon From fostware at iinet.net.au Tue Jan 8 18:19:06 2002 From: fostware at iinet.net.au (Craig Foster) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:19:06 +0800 Subject: [plug] Grumble, grumble, Windows strikes again In-Reply-To: <20020108051531.E57743258B1@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: 'Couse they don't own DSLAMs, they're not into being a Telco... yet... AFAIK RequestDSL are the only people with DSLAMs in local exchanges, explaining why the RequestDSL coverage is so different from Telstras. RequestDSL also also noticeable by using the roaring penguin diagnostics to see whether you're connected to wellington-wt1.per.bigpong.net.au . If you are? you're on a Telstra derived account. - eg iiNet, Highway1, etc. This is Request's selling point - they say they don't have the reliability issues of Telstra as they don't use their gear (and they enforce managed cisco routers on all their customers for QoS (maybe BS? but hey)) Any more Q? Regards, Craig Foster > -----Original Message----- > From: Leon Brooks [mailto:leon at brooks.fdns.net] > Sent: Tuesday, 8 January 2002 1:15 PM > To: Perth Linux User Group > Subject: [plug] Grumble, grumble, Windows strikes again > > > I'm currently shopping around for broadband access, and > discovered a couple > of interesting things after talking to iiNet. One of them > is that they filter > ``code red,'' or in other words *all* HTTP access to their > ADSL clients. > Thanks for that, Bill. > > The other is that iiNet don't actually own any DSLAMs, > they're all owned by > Telstra. So if you buy ADSL through (for example) Indigo, > you're getting it > from a reseller for iiNet who in turn are a reseller for > Telstra. The current > choice in ADSL with affordable download limits is really > Telstra or Telstra. > Not healthy. > > One other thing, if you get iiNet's ``unlimited'' ADSL > account, it's > throttled at 10GB/month. The iiNet bloke was unable to tell > me how throttled. > > Cheers; Leon > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 2228 bytes Desc: not available URL: From leon at brooks.fdns.net Tue Jan 8 18:20:08 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:20:08 +0800 Subject: [plug] PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: <02010818091103.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> References: <02010816460100.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> <20020108095359.B49303256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> <02010818091103.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> Message-ID: <20020108102040.C434C3256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> On Tuesday 08 January 2002 18:09, skribe wrote: > On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:53, Leon Brooks wrote: >> Make sure Celine gets an attrib either directly or in the PNG comments >> field. > How do I add a PNG comment with gimp? It looks like you don't. pgntopnm file-sans-comment.png | \ pnmtopng -text 'Drawn by Celine ' \ > file-with-comment.png DON'T use the same name for input & output files! )-: Cheers; Leon From leon at brooks.fdns.net Tue Jan 8 18:22:04 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:22:04 +0800 Subject: [plug] Grumble, grumble, Windows strikes again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020108102236.86C3E3256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> On Tuesday 08 January 2002 18:19, Craig Foster wrote: > 'Couse they don't own DSLAMs, they're not into being a Telco... yet... > AFAIK RequestDSL are the only people with DSLAMs in local exchanges, > explaining why the RequestDSL coverage is so different from Telstras. > RequestDSL also also noticeable by using the roaring penguin diagnostics > to see whether you're connected to wellington-wt1.per.bigpong.net.au. If > you are? you're on a Telstra derived account. - eg iiNet, Highway1, etc. > This is Request's selling point - they say they don't have the reliability > issues of Telstra as they don't use their gear (and they enforce managed > cisco routers on all their customers for QoS (maybe BS? but hey)) > Any more Q? URL? And I presume that they don't have cheapie 3G accounts...? Cheers; Leon From fostware at iinet.net.au Tue Jan 8 18:42:07 2002 From: fostware at iinet.net.au (Craig Foster) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:42:07 +0800 Subject: [plug] Grumble, grumble, Windows strikes again In-Reply-To: <20020108102236.86C3E3256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: They're into wholesale business only (not big residentially) as DSLAMs 'n' stuff aren't cheap, especially when you're laying your own cable from exchange to exchange Australia wide :) - Sorry if that bursts your bubble :( They "refer" enquiries to the local reseller. The Perth list is also growing. www.requestdsl.com.au PS There are some wierd limitations to iiNet's service. I can ssh, web, pop3 to clients on 56K explorer dialup, but I can't to my own machine at home (iiNet 56K explorer). I've checked the logs at home, and the machine doesn't see a thing. Not happy Jan. Someone from iiNet willing to unofficially tell me show to get files xfered from home? > -----Original Message----- > From: Leon Brooks [mailto:leon at brooks.fdns.net] > Sent: Tuesday, 8 January 2002 6:22 PM > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: Re: [plug] Grumble, grumble, Windows strikes again > > > On Tuesday 08 January 2002 18:19, Craig Foster wrote: > > 'Couse they don't own DSLAMs, they're not into being a > Telco... yet... > > AFAIK RequestDSL are the only people with DSLAMs in local > exchanges, > > explaining why the RequestDSL coverage is so different > from Telstras. > > RequestDSL also also noticeable by using the roaring > penguin diagnostics > > to see whether you're connected to > wellington-wt1.per.bigpong.net.au. If > > you are? you're on a Telstra derived account. - eg iiNet, > Highway1, etc. > > > This is Request's selling point - they say they don't > have the reliability > > issues of Telstra as they don't use their gear (and they > enforce managed > > cisco routers on all their customers for QoS (maybe BS? but hey)) > > > Any more Q? > > URL? And I presume that they don't have cheapie 3G accounts...? > > Cheers; Leon > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 2228 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hooker at opera.iinet.net.au Tue Jan 8 18:50:17 2002 From: hooker at opera.iinet.net.au (Hook) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:50:17 +0800 Subject: [plug] Grumble, grumble, Windows strikes again References: <20020108051531.E57743258B1@mail.old-firestation.net> <20020108132334.C21994@twobluedots.com.au> <20020108060844.7E4323258C1@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: <004e01c19832$42e0cca0$0c00a8c0@hathor> Leon Brooks wrote: > On Tuesday 08 January 2002 13:23, Colin Muller wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 01:15:01PM +0800, Leon Brooks wrote: > >> I'm currently shopping around for broadband access, and discovered a > >> couple of interesting things after talking to iiNet. One of them is that > >> they filter ``code red,'' or in other words *all* HTTP access to their > >> ADSL clients. > > > Not to this client, they don't - or not successfully, anyway: > > Are you a home or business user? It probably makes a difference. No it doesn't. iiNet used to filter code red, but stopped a month or so ago. Paul Wilson From colin at twobluedots.com.au Tue Jan 8 19:18:07 2002 From: colin at twobluedots.com.au (Colin Muller) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:18:07 +0800 Subject: [plug] PLUG Logo (alternate suggestion for colours) In-Reply-To: <02010818110904.01761@oberon.amber.com.au>; from skribe@amber.com.au on Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 06:11:09PM +0800 References: <02010816460100.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> <20020108095607.353AF3256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> <20020108095811.484AE3256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> <02010818110904.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> Message-ID: <20020108191807.F21994@twobluedots.com.au> On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 06:11:09PM +0800, skribe wrote: > Yeah, we were considering something like that, but we also wanted to > keep the logo as simple as possible. We can do various versions as > necessary. +1 on "simple". For what it's worth, an advertising whizz once advised me that logos should ideally be designed to render recognisably at 5mm high in print. A rule of thumb, of course, but it's the sort of advice that's worth keeping in mind - like the requirement someone mentioned in the leaflet thread for things to photocopy recognisably (and that in black and white, with no shades of grey). Apple, IBM, Coke, Ford, Nike, all pass these tests, as does the basic Linux penguin: even if some elements - like the Apple rainbow colours - get lost in the process, the logo remains distinctively recognisable. On the other hand, I don't even know what M$'s logo is, and they seem to be doing okay ... Colin From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Tue Jan 8 19:28:33 2002 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 11:28:33 +0000 Subject: [plug] PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: <02010818110904.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> References: <20020108095811.484AE3256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> <02010816460100.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> <20020108095607.353AF3256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> <20020108095811.484AE3256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020108111721.00a18ba0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> At 10:11 8/01/02 , you wrote: >On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:57, Leon Brooks wrote: > > On Tuesday 08 January 2002 17:55, Leon Brooks wrote: > > > On Tuesday 08 January 2002 17:47, skribe wrote: > > >> Colour one now available at: > > >> > > >> http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/PLUG-logo-colour-sm.png > > > > > > Perhaps also make the text a little more... wave-coloured? (-: Wave-coloured ? :-) I think Tux is a pretty out there board rider. Woo Hoo :-) The only thought I had was that I know that the wave says PerthLinuxUserGroup but with so many letters I find it a bit tricky to read. But I can see that the letters have got to string out without being too long hence the squishiness .. technical term ;-). Is it possible to make it say P L U and G still in the groovy seventies style so it can have breaking wave shape-ness ? Please discard post if this is a dumb idea or it's been tried (and discarded as a dumb idea :-) cu Harry From leon at brooks.fdns.net Tue Jan 8 19:20:18 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:20:18 +0800 Subject: [plug] PLUG Logo (roughy of alt suggestion) In-Reply-To: <20020108101332.6DF9B3256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> References: <02010816460100.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> <20020108095811.484AE3256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> <20020108101332.6DF9B3256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: <20020108112056.C3BC63258AA@mail.old-firestation.net> On Tuesday 08 January 2002 18:12, Leon Brooks wrote: > On Tuesday 08 January 2002 17:57, Leon Brooks wrote: > For an example (I'm sure Celene can do this stuff much better than I, maybe > warp the pattern a bit to visually link it with the ``frothy'' text), > http://plug.linux.org.au/~leonb/plug-logo-small-watery.png (also .xcf). Now try: http://plug.linux.org.au/~leonb/plug-logo-small-watery-prongs.png http://plug.linux.org.au/~leonb/plug-logo-small-watery-prongs.xcf http://plug.linux.org.au/~leonb/plug-logo-small-watery-prongs-comment.png That last has had a comment added with pnmtopng's -text option. Cheers; Leon From myk at golden.wattle.id.au Tue Jan 8 19:22:42 2002 From: myk at golden.wattle.id.au (Mike Holland) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:22:42 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] No meeting tonight? Message-ID: just checking, according to the website there is no 2nd Tues meeting tonight. Correct? -- All things are possible, except for skiing through a revolving door. From bob at contact.omen.com.au Tue Jan 8 20:12:31 2002 From: bob at contact.omen.com.au (bob) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:12:31 +0800 Subject: [plug] PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: <02010817475002.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> References: <02010816460100.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> <02010817475002.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> Message-ID: <200201082010.4933373.6@contact.omen.com.au> On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:47, skribe wrote: > Colour one now available at: > > http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/PLUG-logo-colour-sm.png > > skribe Hey, if you're going to use a font like that the least you could do is a paisley fill. ("Electric Cool Aid Acid Test" anyone ? :) -- bob fingerprint = BBC8 A0BD 10DF CBF6 08C9 86AE 4672 2095 D705 90E9 From skribe at amber.com.au Tue Jan 8 20:59:33 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:59:33 +0800 Subject: [plug] PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020108111721.00a18ba0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> References: <20020108095811.484AE3256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> <4.2.0.58.20020108111721.00a18ba0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <02010820593306.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:28, Harry McNally wrote: > Is it possible to make it say P L U and G still in the groovy seventies > style so it can have breaking wave shape-ness ? Please discard post if this > is a dumb idea or it's been tried (and discarded as a dumb idea :-) Not a dumb idea by any means. We just couldn't get it to work. In fact the PLUG element has been the damn hardest thing in creating a logo. Plugs just aren't....well...sexy enough for a logo. Which leaves us with either a geeky (bad!) logo, or a rather abstract connection to PLUG Inc. That's why we added the wave. I think it almost works (for something like a t-shirt), but for a logo I'd recommend we just go with Tux: board rider and forget any reference to a plug in the logo itself. We can write PLUG, Perth Linux Users' Group or whatever in different fonts depending on how we're using the logo. YMMV. skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 Woke up this morning, don't believe what I saw. Hundred billion bottles washed up on the shore. Seems I'm not alone in being alone. Hundred billion castaways looking for a call. -- The Police, "Message in a Bottle" From skribe at amber.com.au Tue Jan 8 21:05:50 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:05:50 +0800 Subject: [plug] No meeting tonight? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02010821055007.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:22, Mike Holland wrote: > just checking, > according to the website there is no 2nd Tues meeting tonight. > Correct? Correct. I don't think we've ever had a meeting in the first half of Jan. skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 HOW TO PROVE IT, PART 4 proof by personal communication: 'Eight-dimensional colored cycle stripping is NP-complete [Karp, personal communication].' proof by reduction to the wrong problem: 'To see that infinite-dimensional colored cycle stripping is decidable, we reduce it to the halting problem.' proof by reference to inaccessible literature: The author cites a simple corollary of a theorem to be found in a privately circulated memoir of the Slovenian Philological Society, 1883. proof by importance: A large body of useful consequences all follow from the proposition in question. From anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com Tue Jan 8 21:21:29 2002 From: anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com (John Knight) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 21:21:29 +0800 Subject: [plug] Linux support for Promise ATA100 Message-ID: It works fine under SuSE 7.3 on mine. I have problems in Win 98 and 2k but it works beautifully under Linux! > >The Promise card should be supported by 8.0. The current Mandrake is 8.1. >You >may choose to upgrade to 8.1 now, 8.2 when it comes, or live with 8.0. > >Hardware support is improving with each version, so it is reasonable to >assume that the latest version is A Good Thing(tm). > >Regards, > >Garry. > >On Tuesday 08 January 2002 08:59 am, Russell Hobman wrote: > > Goodaye Garry, thankyou for your reply. I understand from what you are > > saying that I probably don't need further support from promise and that >the > > mandrake 8.0 powerpak I have, is all I need. other than perhaps an >update > > to 8.2 when it is released. is this correct? regards, Russell. > > > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com Tue Jan 8 21:25:11 2002 From: anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com (John Knight) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 21:25:11 +0800 Subject: [plug] Tux racer in lotto ad? Message-ID: I saw it too and I'm 100% sure that it's Tux Racer. It's got the same trees and everything! I reckon that he must be using a TV out card and maybe running the win32 version (or figured out how to output to telly under X). I'd say that the guy who made the ad is probably a fan. :) > >I doubt it is Tux Racer, it could be Mario64 but I think it is more >likely to be a game called Pen Pen Tricelon which is a penguin themed >racing game. It has been released for Sega Dreamcast. > >Regards, >Paul C > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From skribe at amber.com.au Tue Jan 8 21:36:02 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:36:02 +0800 Subject: [plug] PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: <02010817475002.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> References: <02010816460100.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> <02010817475002.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> Message-ID: <02010821360208.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> Another couple of versions featuring just totally tubular tux in different colour schemes. Original version with waves removed: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/PLUG-logo-colour-justtux-sm.png New colour scheme version (my preference): http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/PLUG-logo-colour-justtux2-sm.png And a greyscale version of the new colour scheme (also nice): http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/PLUG-logo-grey-justtux2-sm.png skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 A man either lives life as it happens to him, meets it head-on and licks it, or he turns his back on it and starts to wither away. -- Dr. Boyce, "The Menagerie" ("The Cage"), stardate unknown From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Tue Jan 8 21:45:13 2002 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 13:45:13 +0000 Subject: [plug] PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: <02010820593306.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> References: <4.2.0.58.20020108111721.00a18ba0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> <20020108095811.484AE3256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> <4.2.0.58.20020108111721.00a18ba0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020108133331.00a1cb10@decisions-and-designs.com.au> At 12:59 8/01/02 , you wrote: >On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:28, Harry McNally wrote: > > > Is it possible to make it say P L U and G still in the groovy seventies > > style so it can have breaking wave shape-ness ? Please discard post if this > > is a dumb idea or it's been tried (and discarded as a dumb idea :-) > >Not a dumb idea by any means. We just couldn't get it to work. In fact the >PLUG element has been the damn hardest thing in creating a logo. Plugs just >aren't....well...sexy enough for a logo. Which leaves us with either a geeky >(bad!) logo, or a rather abstract connection to PLUG Inc. That's why we >added the wave. I think it almost works (for something like a t-shirt), but >for a logo I'd recommend we just go with Tux: board rider and forget any >reference to a plug in the logo itself. We can write PLUG, Perth Linux >Users' Group or whatever in different fonts depending on how we're using the >logo. YMMV. Yep. That sounds pretty reasonable. J and I were yakking away about this very subject and (all graciousness to Leon) wondering why, because PLUG is PLUG, that we have to somehow jam a plug in. This got to some pretty obtuse ideas about SLUG needing Tux to, well, slither around on yer garden variety, and wondering what a BLUG might be :-) :-) (that was both of us) IN FACT, and this was only after one Coopers each, mind (thank goodness), we wondered whether Tux couldn't be stand-up boogie boarding on yer easily recognisable bathroom variety bath plug. Yeah I know but Hey ! it might work. Remind me not to accept a job in advertising :-) But yep, the boards very cool well .. red .. hot then .. but a thought .. given Leons approach of a background, could Tux return to a black, white and yellow guy _if_ a suitable background makes him Mr Max Contrast .. so to speak ? Just another neuron misfiring .. :-) Good work cu Harry From natdan at pobox.com Tue Jan 8 21:47:40 2002 From: natdan at pobox.com (Nathan D) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 21:47:40 +0800 Subject: [plug] Grumble, grumble,(Now Code Red) In-Reply-To: <004e01c19832$42e0cca0$0c00a8c0@hathor> References: <20020108051531.E57743258B1@mail.old-firestation.net> <20020108132334.C21994@twobluedots.com.au> <20020108060844.7E4323258C1@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020108213245.00b108e8@pop3.norton.antivirus> At 06:50 PM 8/01/2002 +0800, Paul Wilson wrote: >Leon Brooks wrote: > > On Tuesday 08 January 2002 13:23, Colin Muller wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 01:15:01PM +0800, Leon Brooks wrote: > > >> I'm currently shopping around for broadband access, and discovered a > > >> couple of interesting things after talking to iiNet. One of them is >that > > >> they filter ``code red,'' or in other words *all* HTTP access to their > > >> ADSL clients. > >No it doesn't. iiNet used to filter code red, but stopped a month or so ago. I had not seen any sign of Code Red or similar far a while, then got a few one day, then this the next, and only 2 today. Nothing external, just internal iiNet only, so would assume that some sort of filtering is in place? Looks like a lot of dialup users were away over the hols, as our change in IP was the dropping of our 12 day and 18 hour dialup connection. Oooh how we yearn for ADSL in them thar hills!! SmoothWall firewall log Date: 7 January 2002 00:30:46 input - ppp0 PROTO=6 203.59.111.5:3885 203.59.205.78:80 L=48 S=0x00 I=62951 F=0x4000 T=123 SYN (#8) 00:30:49 input - ppp0 PROTO=6 203.59.111.5:3885 203.59.205.78:80 L=48 S=0x00 I=63212 F=0x4000 T=123 SYN (#8) ....... 16 more from the same IP 22:14:00 input - ppp0 PROTO=6 203.59.164.119:4541 203.59.169.156:80 L=48 S=0x00 I=46735 F=0x4000 T=123 SYN (#8) 22:14:03 input - ppp0 PROTO=6 203.59.164.119:4541 203.59.169.156:80 L=48 S=0x00 I=46845 F=0x4000 T=123 SYN (#8) regards, Nathan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ,-_|\ . natdan at pobox.com . / \ . Western Australia . -> \_,-._/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ v Can't make out my sig file? Try using a "fixed-width font" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hooker at opera.iinet.net.au Tue Jan 8 21:50:11 2002 From: hooker at opera.iinet.net.au (Hook) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:50:11 +0800 Subject: [plug] Grumble, grumble, Windows strikes again References: Message-ID: <00df01c1984b$64e0ae60$0c00a8c0@hathor> Craig Foster wrote: > PS There are some wierd limitations to iiNet's service. I can ssh, web, > pop3 to clients on 56K explorer dialup, but I can't to my own machine at > home (iiNet 56K explorer). I've checked the logs at home, and the machine > doesn't see a thing. Not happy Jan. > Someone from iiNet willing to unofficially tell me show to get files > xfered from home? Craig, I'm not sure what you mean. I set up a web server on my home box a while back, tweaked the very anal firewall that I run, and I can access the web site from work. I'd guess that I could ftp if I chose to set it up that way. Paul Wilson From solhanna at dingoblue.net.au Tue Jan 8 22:28:01 2002 From: solhanna at dingoblue.net.au (Sol) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 22:28:01 +0800 Subject: [plug] Linux support for Promise ATA100 References: <47E91C2E82EDD211A9980010E3621EADB4D457@SVNTBY1-03.watercorporation.com.au> Message-ID: <3C3B01F1.409@dingoblue.net.au> Russell Hobman wrote: >Goodaye pluggers, I am fairly new to Linux, and I was hoping that someone >could advise me which Linux distros are similar. the reason being is that I >have just bought a promise ata100 card and plan to install it in my Mandrake >8.0 box. I have been to the promise Linux support page and cannot find a >specific mandrake driver. however there is support for other Linux distros >there. could someone advise which would be the closest match to use with >mandrake 8.0. my choices are: >1. Turbo Linux Server 6.5 >2. Open Linux 3.1 >3. SuSe 7.1/7.2 >4. Red Hat 6.2/7.0/7.1 >many thanks for any assistance. regards, Russell. > > > Hi Russell, I've had a little look at 1, 2 & 4 on your list and would suggest that SuSE is the closest to Mandrake, FWIW. Both Mandrake and SuSE (the latest editions) have excellent hardware detection and install very quickly and easily on modern hardware. Unless you're insistent on using esoteric hardware you shouldn't have to much to worry about with the latest editions of SuSE or Mandrake (and even then you might be surprised!) I have had trouble with Red Hat though, every time I've tried installing it on anything, but maybe it's just the limitations of my pea-size brain. :-) I believe that Mandrake 9.0 (which hasn't been released yet) will have an adaptation of the dpkg/apt-get packet manager which Debian pioneered. This is a killer way to install new software live off the net and could be a big plus for getting newbies involved. Mandrake has also released a gaming version for the hardcore gamer. FYI, Mandrake seems to be trying to focus on the desktop user, whilst SuSE and RedHat are focussing more on corporate users. Whilst I'm a recent convert to Debian, I'm not totally one-eyed on the question of distros (yet! ;-) ) and have to say that it's horses for courses when making the decision. So why not try them all out? Sol From navarre at plug.linux.org.au Tue Jan 8 22:40:40 2002 From: navarre at plug.linux.org.au (navarre at plug.linux.org.au) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 14:40:40 GMT Subject: [plug] OT what is the 'Linux sound' Message-ID: <20020108.14404000@ladyhawke.anjov.com.au> Hello list this is on topic but on the lighter side. I was looking for a piece of software on my system tonight and in that looking found a sound file named "windows_fail.wav". It is the old windows tada.wav file with a bit of a twist at the end. Very appropriate for windowz, but is there a sound that is uniquely Linux or X to be more exact. It would be pointless to have a startup and shutdown sound as we don't do those things very often, do we! Navarre From leon at brooks.fdns.net Tue Jan 8 22:55:15 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:55:15 +0800 Subject: [plug] OT what is the 'Linux sound' In-Reply-To: <20020108.14404000@ladyhawke.anjov.com.au> References: <20020108.14404000@ladyhawke.anjov.com.au> Message-ID: <20020108145552.8BAF43258AA@mail.old-firestation.net> On Tuesday 08 January 2002 22:40, navarre at plug.linux.org.au wrote: > I was looking for a piece of software on my system tonight and in that > looking found a sound file named "windows_fail.wav". It is the old > windows tada.wav file with a bit of a twist at the end. Very appropriate > for windowz, but is there a sound that is uniquely Linux or X to be more > exact. ``Hello, my name is Leenoos Torvalds, and I pronounz Leenooks Leenooks.'' Cheers; Leon From hooker at opera.iinet.net.au Tue Jan 8 22:56:54 2002 From: hooker at opera.iinet.net.au (Hook) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:56:54 +0800 Subject: [plug] Grumble, grumble,(Now Code Red) References: <20020108051531.E57743258B1@mail.old-firestation.net><20020108132334.C21994@twobluedots.com.au><20020108060844.7E4323258C1@mail.old-firestation.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020108213245.00b108e8@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: <011e01c19854$b6edd800$0c00a8c0@hathor> I'll ask tomorrow, but the last I heard was that those filters were removed from the routers. Paul Wilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Nathan D To: plug at plug.linux.org.au Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [plug] Grumble, grumble,(Now Code Red) At 06:50 PM 8/01/2002 +0800, Paul Wilson wrote: Leon Brooks wrote: > On Tuesday 08 January 2002 13:23, Colin Muller wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 01:15:01PM +0800, Leon Brooks wrote: > >> I'm currently shopping around for broadband access, and discovered a > >> couple of interesting things after talking to iiNet. One of them is that > >> they filter ``code red,'' or in other words *all* HTTP access to their > >> ADSL clients. No it doesn't. iiNet used to filter code red, but stopped a month or so ago. I had not seen any sign of Code Red or similar far a while, then got a few one day, then this the next, and only 2 today. Nothing external, just internal iiNet only, so would assume that some sort of filtering is in place? Looks like a lot of dialup users were away over the hols, as our change in IP was the dropping of our 12 day and 18 hour dialup connection. Oooh how we yearn for ADSL in them thar hills!! SmoothWall firewall log Date: 7 January 2002 00:30:46 input - ppp0 PROTO=6 203.59.111.5:3885 203.59.205.78:80 L=48 S=0x00 I=62951 F=0x4000 T=123 SYN (#8) 00:30:49 input - ppp0 PROTO=6 203.59.111.5:3885 203.59.205.78:80 L=48 S=0x00 I=63212 F=0x4000 T=123 SYN (#8) ....... 16 more from the same IP 22:14:00 input - ppp0 PROTO=6 203.59.164.119:4541 203.59.169.156:80 L=48 S=0x00 I=46735 F=0x4000 T=123 SYN (#8) 22:14:03 input - ppp0 PROTO=6 203.59.164.119:4541 203.59.169.156:80 L=48 S=0x00 I=46845 F=0x4000 T=123 SYN (#8) regards, Nathan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ,-_|\ . natdan at pobox.com . / \ . Western Australia . -> \_,-._/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ v Can't make out my sig file? Try using a "fixed-width font" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nevdull at telstra.com Tue Jan 8 23:24:49 2002 From: nevdull at telstra.com (Neville Dull) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 15:24:49 GMT Subject: [plug] OT what is the 'Linux sound' Message-ID: <4c11ed4c03ee.4c03ee4c11ed@bigpond.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Leon Brooks Date: Tuesday, January 8, 2002 2:55 pm Subject: Re: [plug] OT what is the 'Linux sound' > On Tuesday 08 January 2002 22:40, navarre at plug.linux.org.au wrote: > > I was looking for a piece of software on my system tonight and > in that > > looking found a sound file named "windows_fail.wav". It is the old > > windows tada.wav file with a bit of a twist at the end. Very > appropriate> for windowz, but is there a sound that is uniquely > Linux or X to be more > > exact. > > ``Hello, my name is Leenoos Torvalds, and I pronounz Leenooks > Leenooks.'' thats leenoos with an es not linuz with a zed cos linuz with a zed spells .. oop Nev ---------------- Powered by telstra.com From misprint at bizzpro.com.au Tue Jan 8 23:56:08 2002 From: misprint at bizzpro.com.au (Clinton Butler) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 23:56:08 +0800 Subject: [plug] PLUG Logo References: <02010816460100.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> <20020108095359.B49303256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> <02010818091103.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> Message-ID: <3C3B1698.8DE1A4FF@bizzpro.com.au> I had a bit of an idea seeing this on the topic. I drew a sketch of TuX holding a male 240V power lead. I then had yet another idea... make sure to show TuX's full body... so I used the standard TuX image and modified to suit what I wanted... it's just an idea.. I am no computer graphics person... I am far from it. http://tempsite.freehosting.net/TuX_PLUG.jpg I would like to know what people think of the idea.. if it's been used already (the idea) I did not know.. I have not noticed much to do with this topic anywhere (I do not visit the PLUG web site very often). regards, Clinton Butler From fostware at iinet.net.au Wed Jan 9 00:16:03 2002 From: fostware at iinet.net.au (Craig Foster) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:16:03 +0800 Subject: [plug] Grumble, grumble, Windows strikes again In-Reply-To: <00df01c1984b$64e0ae60$0c00a8c0@hathor> Message-ID: It's the randomness that bugs me. Like I said it works to other iiNet clients I know, but not to mine. Well, except for now, when I started complaining. No config changes on my end, other than a new IP. Hell when mine didn't work, another client (which did work) had the same PtP IP, suggesting being on the same router/bank Bah! Humbug! Regards, Craig Foster > -----Original Message----- > From: Hook [mailto:hooker at opera.iinet.net.au] > Sent: Tuesday, 8 January 2002 9:50 PM > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: Re: [plug] Grumble, grumble, Windows strikes again > > > Craig Foster wrote: > > PS There are some wierd limitations to iiNet's service. I > can ssh, web, > > pop3 to clients on 56K explorer dialup, but I can't to my > own machine at > > home (iiNet 56K explorer). I've checked the logs at home, > and the machine > > doesn't see a thing. Not happy Jan. > > Someone from iiNet willing to unofficially tell me show > to get files > > xfered from home? > > Craig, I'm not sure what you mean. I set up a web server on > my home box a > while back, tweaked the very anal firewall that I run, and > I can access the > web site from work. > > I'd guess that I could ftp if I chose to set it up that way. > > Paul Wilson > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 2228 bytes Desc: not available URL: From erazmus at iinet.net.au Wed Jan 9 02:53:59 2002 From: erazmus at iinet.net.au (Mike) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 02:53:59 Subject: [plug] Grumble, grumble, Windows strikes again In-Reply-To: References: <00df01c1984b$64e0ae60$0c00a8c0@hathor> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20020109025359.48ffdbc8@mail.iinet.net.au> At 12:16 AM 9/1/2002 +0800, Craig Foster wrote: >It's the randomness that bugs me. Like I said it works to other iiNet >clients I know, but not to mine. >Well, except for now, when I started complaining. No config changes on my >end, other than a new IP. >Hell when mine didn't work, another client (which did work) had the same >PtP IP, suggesting being on the same router/bank >Attachment Converted: "C:\MAIL\INCOMING\smime.p7s" But why am I getting these attachments ? Rgds Mike From billk at iinet.net.au Wed Jan 9 07:08:44 2002 From: billk at iinet.net.au (Bill Kenworthy) Date: 09 Jan 2002 07:08:44 +0800 Subject: [plug] PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: <3C3B1698.8DE1A4FF@bizzpro.com.au> References: <02010816460100.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> <20020108095359.B49303256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> <02010818091103.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> <3C3B1698.8DE1A4FF@bizzpro.com.au> Message-ID: <1010531324.27518.6.camel@rattus.Localdomain> alternatives/multiple logos perhaps: replace surfboard with a (perhaps flattened, surfboard-ish) spark plug with flames out the back like a rocket ditto with a mains plug - large plug with surfertux balanced on front, flames out of the back ... Text is a bit unreadable if you dont know what it is supposed to say - it was only when I read anothers comments I realised it was a wave - but then I have no imagination, as I keep getting told by the boss. BillK sounds like I am a pyromaniac when I read it back ... On Tue, 2002-01-08 at 23:56, Clinton Butler wrote: > I had a bit of an idea seeing this on the topic. > I drew a sketch of TuX holding a male 240V power lead. > I then had yet another idea... make sure to show TuX's full body... so I > used the standard TuX image and modified to suit what I wanted... it's > just an idea.. I am no computer graphics person... I am far from it. > > > http://tempsite.freehosting.net/TuX_PLUG.jpg > > > I would like to know what people think of the idea.. if it's been used > already (the idea) I did not know.. I have not noticed much to do with > this topic anywhere (I do not visit the PLUG web site very often). > > regards, > > > > Clinton Butler > From MarshallJ at switch.aust.com Wed Jan 9 07:42:02 2002 From: MarshallJ at switch.aust.com (MarshallJ at switch.aust.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:42:02 +1000 Subject: [plug] Gigbyte Motherboard Message-ID: I recently installed a Soltek SL-75KAV with a Duron 1200 and I am very impressed with it. It uses the VIA KT133A chipset. Regards, Joshua Marshall "Aaron Wooten" 08/01/02 16:31 Please respond to plug To: cc: Subject: [plug] Gigbyte Motherboard Hi All I am in the process of deciding which motherboard to buy for my Duron 950, and I have stumbled across a Gigabyte GA-7DXR+ It looks quite nice, does anyone have any comments, suggestion or alternatives ? Thanks Aaron From steveg at calm.wa.gov.au Wed Jan 9 09:33:02 2002 From: steveg at calm.wa.gov.au (Steve Grasso) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:33:02 +0800 Subject: [plug] PLUG Logo (roughy of alt suggestion) In-Reply-To: <20020108112056.C3BC63258AA@mail.old-firestation.net> References: <02010816460100.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> <20020108101332.6DF9B3256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> <20020108112056.C3BC63258AA@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: <02010909330213.12576@202.1.30.40> On Tuesday 08 January 2002 19:20, Leon Brooks wrote: > On Tuesday 08 January 2002 18:12, Leon Brooks wrote: > > On Tuesday 08 January 2002 17:57, Leon Brooks wrote: > > For an example (I'm sure Celene can do this stuff much better than I, > > maybe warp the pattern a bit to visually link it with the ``frothy'' > > text), http://plug.linux.org.au/~leonb/plug-logo-small-watery.png (also > > .xcf). > > Now try: > > http://plug.linux.org.au/~leonb/plug-logo-small-watery-prongs.png Ummm....that's a socket :-P From brian at paradigmit.com.au Wed Jan 9 11:41:38 2002 From: brian at paradigmit.com.au (Brian Tombleson) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:41:38 +0800 Subject: [plug] MD5 convert Message-ID: <087401c198bf$8b05e780$6400a8c0@brian> Sorry to bother, but can anyone tell me how to tell a Debian Potato system to lookup passwords (records already existing in /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow) with MD5 when the system was installed without choosing "Use MD5 Passwords" ? I have a passwd/shadow file that has them already in MD5 format, but the system checks/sets them in the standard format. Searches on the web say there is a 'pwconv5' util, but it doesn't seem to be available in Debian. Regards, Brian Tombleson. From batesy at batesy.net Wed Jan 9 12:00:07 2002 From: batesy at batesy.net (Jonathon Bates) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:00:07 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] Jobs In-Reply-To: <087401c198bf$8b05e780$6400a8c0@brian> Message-ID: Hey guys, I am just wondering if anyone knows of any part time consultancy work around town? Ive got a small amount of work, but not heaps and was hoping someone might know of a bit more? Cheers Batesy From tony at cantech.net.au Wed Jan 9 12:15:52 2002 From: tony at cantech.net.au (Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:15:52 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] MD5 convert In-Reply-To: <087401c198bf$8b05e780$6400a8c0@brian> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, Brian Tombleson wrote: > Sorry to bother, but can anyone tell me how to tell a Debian Potato system > to lookup passwords (records already existing in /etc/passwd and > /etc/shadow) with MD5 when the system was installed without choosing "Use > MD5 Passwords" ? dpkg-reconfigure passwd Will ask you if you want MD5 passwords and/or shadow support. However this will NOT convert passwords to md5 hashes. The only way to do that is make md5 the default and then forece each user to change his/her password. HTH Yours Tony. /* * "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the * same level of thinking we were at when we created them." * --Albert Einstein */ From djinn at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Jan 9 12:18:56 2002 From: djinn at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Peter Wilsmore) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:18:56 +0800 Subject: [plug] OT what is the 'Linux sound' In-Reply-To: <20020108145552.8BAF43258AA@mail.old-firestation.net> References: <20020108.14404000@ladyhawke.anjov.com.au> <20020108145552.8BAF43258AA@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: <20020109041856.GA17057@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 10:55:15PM +0800, Leon Brooks wrote: > On Tuesday 08 January 2002 22:40, navarre at plug.linux.org.au wrote: > > I was looking for a piece of software on my system tonight and in that > > looking found a sound file named "windows_fail.wav". It is the old > > windows tada.wav file with a bit of a twist at the end. Very appropriate > > for windowz, but is there a sound that is uniquely Linux or X to be more > > exact. > > ``Hello, my name is Leenoos Torvalds, and I pronounz Leenooks Leenooks.'' > > Cheers; Leon When I saw the topic of this thread that is exactly what I thought. hohum, the Djinn From wpickett at iprimus.com.au Wed Jan 9 12:30:00 2002 From: wpickett at iprimus.com.au (Richard Barnes) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:30:00 +0800 Subject: [plug] Tux racer in lotto ad? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001e01c198c6$4e3187e0$0200a8c0@Main700> Just as an aside to this topic, I have installed most of the games on the Mandrake 8.1 CD's and all those I've tried work fine except tux racer and flight gear. When I click on the menu option nothing seems to happen (I've also tried running the binaries directly with no affect). Is there a log file anywhere that may give me some clues as to the cause, or what is actually taking place? For some reason with my graphics card/monitor combo I can't use a resolution greater than 600x800 or greater than 16bit colour (it's quite happy with higher resolutions and colour depths under windoz). Could this have something to do with it maybe? When I try, the server fails and I get the following error message... (EE) VESA(0) No matching modes. (11) Unloading /usr/x11r6/lib/modules/libddc.a I know these may be two separate problems and it's no drama at the moment because 600x800 is fine for the time being, but any thoughts anyone on the list may have as to what may be going on, or where I should be looking, would be good. Although my graphics card is not in the database (Hercules 3d prophet 4500) the chipset (kyro2) is detected ok during installation and my monitor (Compaq p140) is in the database. I should have mentioned, I'm running KDE 2.2 and 4.10 version of x. From leon at brooks.fdns.net Wed Jan 9 12:36:21 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:36:21 +0800 Subject: [plug] Blown up and stuffed penguins Message-ID: <20020109043703.620EC3258D3@mail.old-firestation.net> It turns out that for this week only the Australian Geographic shop has lopped the price of their 1.2m inflatable penguins from $34 to $18, and the stuffed ones from $34 to $20, so I've got them to put a couple of each aside for me, and will get Lucy to pick them up with her Geographic card (knocks about another 10% off). If y'all think that more inflatables (for eg, as markers for signs at next years' conference) would be useful, now is probably the time to get them (-: which makes today the time to say so :-), so I will. Cheers; Leon From justin at inwa.com.au Wed Jan 9 12:52:49 2002 From: justin at inwa.com.au (Justin) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 12:52:49 +0800 Subject: [plug] PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: <02010821360208.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> References: <02010817475002.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> <02010816460100.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> <02010817475002.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020109125125.00a08b00@mail.inwa.com.au> Just a quick idea - why don't you spin the board around a little - so that we can see the fins at the back - and make the fins a three prong plug? Here is a quick attempt at it - http://www.ststephens.wa.edu.au/subject/PLUG-logo-colour-justtux2-sm-plus-plug.png - sorry its a little dodgy, but you get the idea. Justin At 09:36 PM 8/01/02 +0800, you wrote: >Another couple of versions featuring just totally tubular tux in different >colour schemes. > >Original version with waves removed: > >http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/PLUG-logo-colour-justtux-sm.png > >New colour scheme version (my preference): > >http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/PLUG-logo-colour-justtux2-sm.png > >And a greyscale version of the new colour scheme (also nice): > >http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/PLUG-logo-grey-justtux2-sm.png > >skribe >-- >Public key information available at: >http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html >Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 > >A man either lives life as it happens to him, meets it head-on and >licks it, or he turns his back on it and starts to wither away. > -- Dr. Boyce, "The Menagerie" ("The Cage"), stardate unknown From brian at paradigmit.com.au Wed Jan 9 13:01:54 2002 From: brian at paradigmit.com.au (Brian Tombleson) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:01:54 +0800 Subject: [plug] MD5 convert [solution] References: Message-ID: <088801c198ca$c19c3460$6400a8c0@brian> Thanks Tony, but that wasn't it. (passwd package does not use debconf). However, it is as simple as editting /etc/pam.d/login and appending "md5" to the password directive. Hope this can help someone else in the future. Regards, Brian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [plug] MD5 convert > On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, Brian Tombleson wrote: > > > Sorry to bother, but can anyone tell me how to tell a Debian Potato system > > to lookup passwords (records already existing in /etc/passwd and > > /etc/shadow) with MD5 when the system was installed without choosing "Use > > MD5 Passwords" ? > > dpkg-reconfigure passwd > > Will ask you if you want MD5 passwords and/or shadow support. However this > will NOT convert passwords to md5 hashes. The only way to do that is make > md5 the default and then forece each user to change his/her password. > > HTH > > Yours Tony. > > /* > * "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the > * same level of thinking we were at when we created them." > * --Albert Einstein > */ > > From leon at brooks.fdns.net Wed Jan 9 13:11:27 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:11:27 +0800 Subject: [plug] Wanted: easels, stands, partitions, whiteboards whatever Message-ID: <20020109051209.934843258D3@mail.old-firestation.net> If someone has these sitting around, unused, an opportunity to employ them in promoting PLUG is being explored. Please volunteer anything like this that you might have to hand. Cheers; Leon From tony at cantech.net.au Wed Jan 9 13:32:02 2002 From: tony at cantech.net.au (Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:32:02 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] MD5 convert [solution] In-Reply-To: <088801c198ca$c19c3460$6400a8c0@brian> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, Brian Tombleson wrote: > Thanks Tony, but that wasn't it. (passwd package does not use debconf). Hmmm does on my machine. sid current from uwa asof 06:00am this morning. > However, it is as simple as editting /etc/pam.d/login and appending "md5" to > the password directive. > Hope this can help someone else in the future. You need to do the same on all the /etc/pam.d files otherwise you wont create new passwords in MD5 format. Yours Tony. /* * "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the * same level of thinking we were at when we created them." * --Albert Einstein */ From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Wed Jan 9 14:33:07 2002 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (craig at postnewspapers.com.au) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:33:07 +0800 Subject: [plug] iptables In-Reply-To: <003901c1972d$afd85f40$0a00a8c0@infotech1> References: <003901c1972d$afd85f40$0a00a8c0@infotech1> Message-ID: <20020109063307.GA7753@geek.localnet> > I'm trying to specify two different IP address in a statement that are > completely different networks to be exempted by the rule, e.g. like this: > > iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -s ! 192.168.0.1 -p tcp -j DROP > > Is it possible? Not as you're trying to do it. What you want to do is use the following lines instead: (Where 192.168.5.7 is your second IP) iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -s 192.168.0.1 -p tcp -j ACCEPT iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -s ! 192.168.5.7 -p tcp -j DROP Remember, firewalling rules in iptables/ipchains are parsed in order until one matches with a specified action, in which case the action is applied to the packet and no further rules are traversed. (Log rules, of course, just log the packet and aren't considered "action" rules). Its weird, but you get used to it fast. -- Craig Ringer IT Manager, POST Newspapers http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/ http://oberthur.dyndns.org/~craig/ GPG Key Fingerprint: AF1C ABFE 7E64 E9C8 FC27 C16E D3CE CDC0 0E93 380D -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Of course, running the system auto-update once it's installed can be a good idea. -- Craig Ringer IT Manager, POST Newspapers http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/ http://oberthur.dyndns.org/~craig/ GPG Key Fingerprint: AF1C ABFE 7E64 E9C8 FC27 C16E D3CE CDC0 0E93 380D -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If not, change linux.personal to whatever it does return. If that result is one word (ie your machine has no domain name set) you need to set a domain name. For private networks, .localnet is a good choice (IMHO). You'll need to change that in whatever network config your distro uses, or add a domain line to /etc/resolv.conf (man resolv.conf). Or you can take the slack way, put 'ServerName linux.personal' in Apache httpd.conf and see if that works. Here's an example of my config: 127.0.0.1 geek.localnet geek localhost localhost.localnet 203.59.227.178 geek.postnewspapers.com.au where hostname -f returns geek.localnet -- Craig Ringer IT Manager, POST Newspapers http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/ http://oberthur.dyndns.org/~craig/ GPG Key Fingerprint: AF1C ABFE 7E64 E9C8 FC27 C16E D3CE CDC0 0E93 380D -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I got 3 today. -- Craig Ringer IT Manager, POST Newspapers http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/ http://oberthur.dyndns.org/~craig/ GPG Key Fingerprint: AF1C ABFE 7E64 E9C8 FC27 C16E D3CE CDC0 0E93 380D -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com Wed Jan 9 15:02:08 2002 From: anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com (John Knight) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 15:02:08 +0800 Subject: [plug] Tux racer Message-ID: The SuSE rpms run fine, I've never gotten Mandrake's to work. If you're still using American English under KDE 2.2, I'll slaughter you in your sleep! ahahahahahaaahahahah! en_GB KDE guy > >Just as an aside to this topic, I have installed most of the games on >the Mandrake 8.1 CD's and all those I've tried work fine except tux >racer and flight gear. When I click on the menu option nothing seems to >happen (I've also tried running the binaries directly with no affect). >Is there a log file anywhere that may give me some clues as to the >cause, or what is actually taking place? For some reason with my >graphics card/monitor combo I can't use a resolution greater than >600x800 or greater than 16bit colour (it's quite happy with higher >resolutions and colour depths under windoz). Could this have something >to do with it maybe? When I try, the server fails and I get the >following error message... > (EE) VESA(0) No matching modes. > (11) Unloading /usr/x11r6/lib/modules/libddc.a > >I know these may be two separate problems and it's no drama at the >moment because 600x800 is fine for the time being, but any thoughts >anyone on the list may have as to what may be going on, or where I >should be looking, would be good. Although my graphics card is not in >the database (Hercules 3d prophet 4500) the chipset (kyro2) is detected >ok during installation and my monitor (Compaq p140) is in the database. >I should have mentioned, I'm running KDE 2.2 and 4.10 version of x. > > > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Wed Jan 9 15:06:57 2002 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (craig at postnewspapers.com.au) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:06:57 +0800 Subject: [plug] Grumble, grumble, Windows strikes again In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020108142130.026eceb8@144.135.24.13> References: <20020108051531.E57743258B1@mail.old-firestation.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020108142130.026eceb8@144.135.24.13> Message-ID: <20020109070657.GB8356@geek.localnet> > Interesting what you say about iinet not having their own DSLAMS. I wonder > if the service would have the same 'reliability' or 'uptime' associated > with Telstra? I've been in contact with iiNet quite a bit (and _not_ tech support weanies) about this issue, as we're a newspaper and get 20mb eMail attatchments bytecharging can be a big issue. iiNet is currently paying 15c/mb for each megabyte passing through the router between the DSLAMs in the Telstra exchanges, and their network. I don't know if they do own the DSLAMs but it makes no difference - the main issue is that they can't bypass that f**ing router, and Telstra is sqeezing them for every cent they can get. Because this affects all traffic, iiNet must currently charge 15c/mb for even local ftp mirror access. I have heard that they were attempting to bypass the router, but that appears to have fallen through recently. Alas. BREAK UP TELSTRA! If they weren't a combined services/infrastructure company this particular problem would either (1) not exist or at least (2) be EQUAL FOR EVERYBODY. Probably somewhere between the two. -- Craig Ringer IT Manager, POST Newspapers http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/ http://oberthur.dyndns.org/~craig/ GPG Key Fingerprint: AF1C ABFE 7E64 E9C8 FC27 C16E D3CE CDC0 0E93 380D -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Wed Jan 9 15:08:13 2002 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (craig at postnewspapers.com.au) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:08:13 +0800 Subject: [plug] Syslog daemons In-Reply-To: References: <3C3A9F92.1060307@goa-trance.org> Message-ID: <20020109070813.GC8356@geek.localnet> > I do just this for about 30 HP printers. *yell of delight* HOW?!? I have 2 HP4MVs on the network here and haven't been able to persuade them to do it, though I'd heard they could. What tools etc needed? -- Craig Ringer IT Manager, POST Newspapers http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/ http://oberthur.dyndns.org/~craig/ GPG Key Fingerprint: AF1C ABFE 7E64 E9C8 FC27 C16E D3CE CDC0 0E93 380D -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tony at cantech.net.au Wed Jan 9 15:31:07 2002 From: tony at cantech.net.au (Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:31:07 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] Syslog daemons In-Reply-To: <20020109070813.GC8356@geek.localnet> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 craig at postnewspapers.com.au wrote: > > I do just this for about 30 HP printers. > *yell of delight* > HOW?!? I have 2 HP4MVs on the network here and haven't been able to > persuade them to do it, though I'd heard they could. What tools etc > needed? Use telnet (on the printer) to set the syslog facility (If you can't then it will just mean the the perl script takes longer to run). Make sure the syslod daemon is accepting remote logs (-r) ---- #!/usr/bin/perl -w use strict; my $hostname='syslog'; #NOT the FQDN @ARGV=qw(/full/path/to/file); #ie /var/log.messages while (<>) { # You should be able to drop this if your printer support syslog # facilities correctly. # study; next if (/ $hostname /io); next if (/ kernel /i); next if (/ localhost /i); # # Grab the printername/ip /:\d\d ([^ ]) /; my $printer=$1; print "$printer says: $_"; } ---- This is not the best script but should give you an idea of how to attack it. Yours Tony. /* * "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the * same level of thinking we were at when we created them." * --Albert Einstein */ From gilksjm at iinet.net.au Wed Jan 9 15:45:08 2002 From: gilksjm at iinet.net.au (J Michael Gilks) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:45:08 +0800 Subject: [plug] Local Apache problem In-Reply-To: <20020109064607.GC7753@geek.localnet> References: <20020108032231.24FFF7C6D@spark.plug.linux.org.au> <20020109064607.GC7753@geek.localnet> Message-ID: <20020109074337.3A4227D27@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Thanks for the reply. Turns out it was the Zend debug engine not wanting to play and therefore not letting anyone else play either. I commented out the Zend_debugger module and everything works fine. Big note to self, "LOOK AT ERROR LOGS. THEY TELL YOU THINGS." ANYWAY ONCE AGAIN THANKS, I KEEP LEARNING, ALBEIT SLOWLY, AND WILL GET THERE IN THE END. LOVE MIKE. On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:46, craig at postnewspapers.com.au wrote: > > Starting httpd-perl: [60G[ [1;32mOK [0;39m ] > > Starting httpd: [Tue Jan 8 11:16:40 2002] [alert] httpd: Could not > > determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for > > ServerName [60G[ [1;31mFAILED [0;39m] > > [Tue Jan 8 11:16:45 2002] [alert] httpd: Could not determine the > > server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName > > [60G[ [1;31mFAILED [0;39m] > > [Tue Jan 8 11:16:51 2002] [alert] httpd: Could not determine the > > server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName > > [60G[ [1;31mFAILED [0;39m] > > > > My hosts file contains the following entries > > > > 127.0.0.1 linux.personal localhost > > 192.168.0.1 linux.personal localhost linux > > make SURE that executing 'hostname -f ' returns linux.personal. If not, > change linux.personal to whatever it does return. If that result is one > word (ie your machine has no domain name set) you need to set a domain > name. For private networks, .localnet is a good choice (IMHO). You'll > need to change that in whatever network config your distro uses, or add > a domain line to /etc/resolv.conf (man resolv.conf). > > Or you can take the slack way, put 'ServerName linux.personal' in Apache > httpd.conf and see if that works. > > Here's an example of my config: > > 127.0.0.1 geek.localnet geek localhost localhost.localnet > 203.59.227.178 geek.postnewspapers.com.au > > > where hostname -f returns > geek.localnet From wpickett at iprimus.com.au Wed Jan 9 17:12:46 2002 From: wpickett at iprimus.com.au (Richard Barnes) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:12:46 +0800 Subject: [plug] Tux racer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000d01c198ed$cdff0d40$0200a8c0@Main700> If you have never got it to work either I won't feel so bad :) I am using UK English with US keyboard, but did have a moment of doubt when x started falling over (the resolution prob mentioned earlier) as the UK english seemed to be the source of trouble with Mandrake 8. From simpware at yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 17:30:38 2002 From: simpware at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Andrew=20Furey?=) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:30:38 +1100 (EST) Subject: [plug] Building Debian packages to satisfy dependencies? Message-ID: <20020109093038.86070.qmail@web11205.mail.yahoo.com> Hi guys, (This is probably a question for JamesB as much as anyone... :) I'm just in the process of upgrading to woody (from potato). I have a RIVA TNT2 M64, so I'm using the nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx packages (rather than compiling my own like I was before :) The resulting kernel-specific package, nvidia-kernel-2.4.16 (in my case), recommends kernel-image-2.4.16. However since I always compile my own kernels from pristine source, I don't have a kernel-image-2.4.16. My question is, what's the easiest way to make a dummy package with the "Provides kernel-image-2.4.16" to fill this (recommended) dependency? TIA Andrew ===== "One Architecture, One OS" also translates as "One Egg, One Basket". http://my.yahoo.com.au - My Yahoo! - It's My Yahoo! Get your own! From wayne.vovil at ausi.com Wed Jan 9 17:33:23 2002 From: wayne.vovil at ausi.com (Wayne Vovil) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 01:33:23 -0800 Subject: [plug] editor Message-ID: <200201090933.g099XNi26899@mail25.bigmailbox.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From leon at lostrealm.com Wed Jan 9 17:41:52 2002 From: leon at lostrealm.com (Leon Blackwell) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:41:52 +0800 Subject: [plug] editor In-Reply-To: <200201090933.g099XNi26899@mail25.bigmailbox.com>; from wayne.vovil@ausi.com on Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 01:33:23AM -0800 References: <200201090933.g099XNi26899@mail25.bigmailbox.com> Message-ID: <20020109174152.B31093@lostrealm.com> On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 01:33:23AM -0800, Wayne Vovil wrote: > Whilst I am happy with vi (Yes it is true) for general work and conf > editing etc. I would like to know what is available in programming > editors that provide 'completion' of language keywords and parms, al a > Venerial Basic. Any clues? vim does very nice completion for you, and is fully compatible with vi. You can use ctrl-n and ctrl-p as a start, and then play about with custom completions from a given dictionary to get your language keywords. Do a ':help complete' in vim for more information. -- Leon Blackwell | And the robot says: "In the begining http://www.lostrealm.com/ | was man. Man created all things. jabber:Lionfire at lostrealm.com | Man, with his infinite skill, created | machines in his own image." From zombie at wasp.net.au Wed Jan 9 17:46:30 2002 From: zombie at wasp.net.au (Matt Kemner) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:46:30 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] Building Debian packages to satisfy dependencies? In-Reply-To: <20020109093038.86070.qmail@web11205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, Andrew Furey wrote: > The resulting kernel-specific package, > nvidia-kernel-2.4.16 (in my case), recommends > kernel-image-2.4.16. However since I always compile my > own kernels from pristine source, I don't have a > kernel-image-2.4.16. It "recommends" not "requires" so as long as you install the resulting packages manually with dpkg it should not complain about the fact kernel-image-blah is not installed At least it does not on my home machine, and I also compile my kernels from Linus source. > My question is, what's the easiest way to make a dummy > package with the "Provides kernel-image-2.4.16" to > fill this (recommended) dependency? This I can't help you with I'm afraid. Although I'm a Debianite from way back, I still have not attempted to master the black art of package creation from-scratch. - Matt From ryan at prodigital.net.au Wed Jan 9 17:45:32 2002 From: ryan at prodigital.net.au (Ryan) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:45:32 +0800 Subject: [plug] Building Debian packages to satisfy dependencies? In-Reply-To: <20020109093038.86070.qmail@web11205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020109173753.00a2b380@10.10.10.1> Rather than making a dummy package, isn't using make-kpkg to compile your 'pristine source' into the REAL kernel-image-2.4.16 package an easy enough way? Ryan At 08:30 PM 09-01-02 +1100, you wrote: >Hi guys, > >(This is probably a question for JamesB as much as >anyone... :) Sorry to disappoint ;) >My question is, what's the easiest way to make a dummy >package with the "Provides kernel-image-2.4.16" to >fill this (recommended) dependency? From james at rcpt.to Wed Jan 9 18:35:39 2002 From: james at rcpt.to (James Bromberger) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:35:39 +0800 Subject: [plug] Building Debian packages to satisfy dependencies? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020109173753.00a2b380@10.10.10.1> References: <20020109093038.86070.qmail@web11205.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020109173753.00a2b380@10.10.10.1> Message-ID: <20020109103538.GB4980@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 05:45:32PM +0800, Ryan wrote: > Rather than making a dummy package, isn't using make-kpkg to compile your > 'pristine source' into the REAL kernel-image-2.4.16 package an easy enough > way? > > Ryan > >My question is, what's the easiest way to make a dummy > >package with the "Provides kernel-image-2.4.16" to > >fill this (recommended) dependency? I'd go with what Ryan says. Using 'kernel-package' is what most DD's seem to recommnd (at least, they did to me in Bordeaux). Since then I switched to kernel-package, and then to the pre-built debian 2.4 kernels from Herbert Xu. The only issue I have with the kernel-image-2.4.xx-flavour packages is that the nvidia package puts the NVdriver module into /lib/modules/2.4.xx/, and the kernel image package has it's modules in /lib/modules/2.4.xx-flavour/. I fudge it from here, and either symlink the two directories together, or just move the NVdriver binary module from one directory to the other. It's not perfect, but then perfect would see Nvidia extract their finger and permit GPL drivers. But thats not going to happen because they have unified drivers with private 3rd party code in there which Nvidia can't relicence. And as Suse knows, playing with other people's licences can lead to much trouble... ;) James -- James Bromberger www.james.rcpt.to Australian Debian Conference: http://www.linux.org.au/conf/debiancon.html Remainder moved to http://www.james.rcpt.to/james/sig.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From christian at amnet.net.au Wed Jan 9 19:02:37 2002 From: christian at amnet.net.au (Christian) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 19:02:37 +0800 Subject: [plug] MD5 convert In-Reply-To: <087401c198bf$8b05e780$6400a8c0@brian>; from brian@paradigmit.com.au on Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 11:41:38AM +0800 References: <087401c198bf$8b05e780$6400a8c0@brian> Message-ID: <20020109190237.A26542@eagle.amnet.net.au> On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 11:41:38AM +0800, Brian Tombleson wrote: > Searches on the web say there is a 'pwconv5' util, but it doesn't seem to be > available in Debian. There may be such a program but, for obvious reasons, it certainly won't automatically convert hashes from one type to another! -- DSA 0x0EC1D28C: BBCB 0D79 4EBB 078A A066 7267 8BED E9D6 0EC1 D28C From brian at paradigmit.com.au Wed Jan 9 19:10:20 2002 From: brian at paradigmit.com.au (Brian Tombleson) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 19:10:20 +0800 Subject: [plug] MD5 convert References: <087401c198bf$8b05e780$6400a8c0@brian> <20020109190237.A26542@eagle.amnet.net.au> Message-ID: <098d01c198fe$39e504f0$6400a8c0@brian> Err, no, I didn't want to convert hashes. I want the system to check existing MD5 hashed passwords with the MD5 algorithm. The system was built (without MD5 turned on) and the passwd+shadow file copied from backup. Anyway, thanks for the input and it's solved now (prev email). Regards, Brian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [plug] MD5 convert > On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 11:41:38AM +0800, Brian Tombleson wrote: > > > Searches on the web say there is a 'pwconv5' util, but it doesn't seem to be > > available in Debian. > > There may be such a program but, for obvious reasons, it certainly won't > automatically convert hashes from one type to another! > > -- > DSA 0x0EC1D28C: BBCB 0D79 4EBB 078A A066 7267 8BED E9D6 0EC1 D28C > > From leon at brooks.fdns.net Wed Jan 9 19:20:07 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 19:20:07 +0800 Subject: [plug] editor In-Reply-To: <20020109174152.B31093@lostrealm.com> References: <200201090933.g099XNi26899@mail25.bigmailbox.com> <20020109174152.B31093@lostrealm.com> Message-ID: <20020109112053.08B533258E2@mail.old-firestation.net> On Wednesday 09 January 2002 17:41, Leon Blackwell wrote: > On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 01:33:23AM -0800, Wayne Vovil wrote: >> Whilst I am happy with vi [...] what is available in programming >> editors that provide 'completion' I almost didn't have to click on Leons' answer to know what the content was. (-: > vim does very nice completion for you > Do a ':help complete' in vim for more information. A *lot* more information... we'll never fit that all on the mug, even if we make it a keg! Cheers; Leon From jacqueline at decisions-and-designs.com.au Wed Jan 9 19:59:20 2002 From: jacqueline at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Jacqueline McNally) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 19:59:20 +0800 Subject: [plug] membership growth Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020109194957.00b34210@mail.dingoblue.net.au> James wrote: >I spoke to an associate at work today how said he had just purchased RH >7.2 from Everything Linux for $30. I indicated that if he joined PLUG for >$5, he could probably borrow it from the library, and install or >duplicate. He had heard of PLUG, but wasn't aware of the library or the >cost. Lets get the brochure out there! ;) I agree, but I also think that current members are the best publicity - member get a member! Talk to everyone you meet about PLUG. Hand out the PLUG URL or the brochure to anyone who professes interest or says they know someone who might be interested. The PLUG website design is professional and up-to-date, the content timely and interesting - thank you skribe :) Perhaps members could advertise the PLUG website in a "signature line". All the best Jacqueline http://mc2.vicnet.net.au/users/zenryaku/ From fostware at iinet.net.au Wed Jan 9 21:56:24 2002 From: fostware at iinet.net.au (Craig Foster) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 21:56:24 +0800 Subject: [plug] Jobs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've found that Linux seems too reliable for a consultancy's bread and butter. And doing the job right the first time, looking for all contingencies, doesn't help... I've got customers (from previous folded employers) that ring me up for social chats and a bit of a goss, because they don't see me otherwise. The servers never skip a beat... some even from a year ago. One server I *had* to take down, because I'd forgotten the admin password, the office admin ahd left, and she'd deleted her e-mail - including the encrypted e-mail with the password :( Regards, Craig Foster PS Yep, I tried the backups, but she'd moved her message store OFF the server (from IMAP to POP). Hmmmph > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathon Bates [mailto:batesy at batesy.net] > Sent: Wednesday, 9 January 2002 12:00 PM > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: [plug] Jobs > > > Hey guys, > I am just wondering if anyone knows of any part time > consultancy work > around town? > Ive got a small amount of work, but not heaps and was > hoping someone might > know of a bit more? > > Cheers > Batesy > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 2228 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cottmain at yahoo.com.au Wed Jan 9 22:06:56 2002 From: cottmain at yahoo.com.au (Daniel) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 22:06:56 +0800 Subject: [plug] OT: Which Perth ISPs provide IMAP? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020109220322.029afcf8@mail.iinet.net.au> Hi Plug, I got the impression that there had been some concerns about IMAP's security, but they were now overcome [or could be by setup]. Can anyone tell me which Perth ISPs provide IMAP e-mail access please? TIA, Regards, Daniel. From simpware at yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 21:59:44 2002 From: simpware at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Andrew=20Furey?=) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:59:44 +1100 (EST) Subject: [plug] Building Debian packages to satisfy dependencies? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020109135944.25747.qmail@web11205.mail.yahoo.com> > It "recommends" not "requires" so as long as you install the resulting packages manually with dpkg it should not complain about the fact kernel-image-blah is not installed It doesn't complain about the installation. It's just that whenever I go into the Select part of dselect, it comes up with this dependency every time I leave it, and I have to force it with Q to get back to the main menu. Do that a few times and it becomes mighty annoying :( I'll probably just grab the kernel-source package and compile from it. Or something. Andrew ===== "One Architecture, One OS" also translates as "One Egg, One Basket". http://my.yahoo.com.au - My Yahoo! - It's My Yahoo! Get your own! From ryan at prodigital.net.au Wed Jan 9 22:04:51 2002 From: ryan at prodigital.net.au (Ryan) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 22:04:51 +0800 Subject: [plug] Ryan's Debian Packaging Guide Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020109215453.009fecb0@10.10.10.1> Hi pluggers, Having recently discovered the urge to make some Debian package files I found an incredible lack of good documentation to do it. After stuffing around and learning how to get 100% lintian friendly packages I am sharing my rather straight forward findings here: http://slowest.net/TUDPG.pdf (36Kb) If I could please get some feedback on it and see if it is worth finishing I would be most grateful. Your feedback will determine if I finish the most useful section of the document, section 5, where I plan to explain each step in a whole lot more detail. Some people may notice the directory and package name in my examples changes from ramp3-0.1 to ramp3-01 mid-document, simple mistake :P I'll fix it soon but it wont affect the usage of the document. Grammar etc are as I typed them, that can come later. Cheers, Ryan From jensz at wn.com.au Wed Jan 9 22:09:20 2002 From: jensz at wn.com.au (Ben Jensz) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 22:09:20 +0800 Subject: [plug] OT: Which Perth ISPs provide IMAP? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020109220322.029afcf8@mail.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <000101c19917$3bd1d770$0a00a8c0@3fragsleft.net> I would've thought that most of the larger/decent ISPs all offer both POP3 and IMAP access to email accounts? The ISP I'm with offers both.... / Ben -----Original Message----- From: Daniel [mailto:cottmain at yahoo.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 9 January 2002 10:07 PM To: plug at plug.linux.org.au Subject: [plug] OT: Which Perth ISPs provide IMAP? Hi Plug, I got the impression that there had been some concerns about IMAP's security, but they were now overcome [or could be by setup]. Can anyone tell me which Perth ISPs provide IMAP e-mail access please? TIA, Regards, Daniel. From skribe at amber.com.au Wed Jan 9 22:11:19 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 22:11:19 +0800 Subject: [plug] Ryan's Debian Packaging Guide In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020109215453.009fecb0@10.10.10.1> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020109215453.009fecb0@10.10.10.1> Message-ID: <0201092211190H.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 22:04, Ryan wrote: > Hi pluggers, > > Having recently discovered the urge to make some Debian package files I > found an incredible lack of good documentation to do it. After stuffing > around and learning how to get 100% lintian friendly packages I am sharing > my rather straight forward findings here: > > http://slowest.net/TUDPG.pdf (36Kb) > > If I could please get some feedback on it and see if it is worth finishing > I would be most grateful. Once it's finished we can add it to the PLUG website. Always nice to get more PLUGger material. skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 Journalism will kill you, but it will keep you alive while you're at it. From anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com Wed Jan 9 22:37:35 2002 From: anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com (John Knight) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 22:37:35 +0800 Subject: [plug] en_GB (was Tux racer) Message-ID: I'm unaware of Mandrake's issues with en_GB localisation, but it shouldn't touch it in theory. Make sure that you also have standard US English installed too as a fallback language (for use in other window managers). If anyone uses UK English from before Mandrake 8.1, RH 7.2 or SuSE 7.3, I'm afraid that you won't have any of our work in there, as we're new. en_GB KDE guy > >If you have never got it to work either I won't feel so bad :) I am >using UK English with US keyboard, but did have a moment of doubt when x >started falling over (the resolution prob mentioned earlier) as the UK >english seemed to be the source of trouble with Mandrake 8. > > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From skribe at amber.com.au Wed Jan 9 22:47:19 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 22:47:19 +0800 Subject: [plug] [OT} A question about it.com.au Message-ID: <0201092247190I.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> Okay, I admit I was bored. I started hunting down my earliest post to usenet (via groups.google.com). The ealiest I could find was 26th Dec, 1993. I'm pretty sure I posted before that but I haven't been able to find any of them. Does anyone remember what the it.com.au mail/newserver was named back in 1993? skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 You will always have good luck in your personal affairs. From badger at arach.net.au Wed Jan 9 23:34:25 2002 From: badger at arach.net.au (Adam Davin) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 23:34:25 +0800 Subject: [plug] Copying a directory tree without the files Message-ID: <000001c19923$1e862f20$4c00a8c0@eeyore> Hi all, just a quick question. Are there any utilities that people know of that provide functionality like xcopy /s/e/t (ie copies just the tree structure without the files) I have a directory template that I wish to set up for file organisation (and then on to burning to cd) so that as I download I can sort files. As the structure shifts and changes slightly I would like to be able to periodically either a) remove all files from the tree but leave the tree intact b) copy the tree (minus the files) to a template location. the latter is probably the most beneficial as it would be nice to be able to delete a branch once it had been burnt, and then restore the template. If nothings available ( and as yet man / apropos / freshmeat / google havn't turned up anything) I'll end up scripting something myself. Cheers Adam Davin --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release Date: 2/01/02 From robd at anville.wa.cmis.CSIRO.AU Wed Jan 9 23:34:30 2002 From: robd at anville.wa.cmis.CSIRO.AU (Rob Dunne) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 23:34:30 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] shell script Message-ID: <15420.25350.344731.65576@anville.wa.cmis.CSIRO.AU> Hi list, the following is from a script from the "Security Quick-Start Howto". WAN_IP is not being set and the script fails but what is wrong with it? I have tried all sorts of quotes `,",' as well as no quote but nothing works [root at lycra]# WAN_IFACE="ppp0" [root at lycra]# echo $WAN_IFACE ppp0 [root at lycra]# WAN_IP= `/sbin/ifconfig $WAN_IFACE |grep inet |cut -d : -f 2 |cut -d \ -f 1` bash: 130.116.4.29: command not found [root at lycra]# echo $WAN_IP [root at lycra]# bye rob -- Rob Dunne Fax: +61 8 9333 6121 Tel: +61 8 9333 6178 CSIRO Mathematical and Information Sciences Leeuwin Centre for Earth Sensing Technologies Private Bag 5, P.O., Wembley, Western Australia, 6913 http://matilda.vu.edu.au/~dunne Email: Robert.Dunne at cmis.csiro.au Java has certainly revolutionized marketing and litigation. From zombie at wasp.net.au Wed Jan 9 23:45:56 2002 From: zombie at wasp.net.au (Matt Kemner) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 23:45:56 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] Copying a directory tree without the files In-Reply-To: <000001c19923$1e862f20$4c00a8c0@eeyore> Message-ID: Hi Adam Try either of the below scripts: >either a) remove all files from the tree but leave the tree > intact for X in `find /dir_to_be_wiped_clean/ -not -type d` do rm -f $X done > b) copy the tree (minus the files) to a template location. for X in `find /source_dir -type d` do mkdir /target_dir/$X done - Matt From zombie at wasp.net.au Wed Jan 9 23:48:21 2002 From: zombie at wasp.net.au (Matt Kemner) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 23:48:21 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] shell script In-Reply-To: <15420.25350.344731.65576@anville.wa.cmis.CSIRO.AU> Message-ID: Hi Rob > [root at lycra]# WAN_IP= `/sbin/ifconfig $WAN_IFACE |grep inet |cut -d : -f 2 |cut -d \ -f 1` > bash: 130.116.4.29: command not found Try removing the space between the = and the ` - Matt From ryan at prodigital.net.au Wed Jan 9 23:48:58 2002 From: ryan at prodigital.net.au (Ryan) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 23:48:58 +0800 Subject: [plug] shell script In-Reply-To: <15420.25350.344731.65576@anville.wa.cmis.CSIRO.AU> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020109234706.00a30bd0@10.10.10.1> that would work in a script, but on the command line you'd want to try this: export WAN_IFACE="ppp0" export WAN_IP="`/sbin/ifconfig ${WAN_IFACE} |grep inet |cut -d : -f 2 |cut -d \ -f 1`" echo ${WAN_IP} Ryan >but what is wrong with it? I have tried all sorts of quotes `,",' as >well as no quote but nothing works > > > >[root at lycra]# WAN_IFACE="ppp0" >[root at lycra]# echo $WAN_IFACE >ppp0 >[root at lycra]# WAN_IP= `/sbin/ifconfig $WAN_IFACE |grep inet |cut -d : -f 2 >|cut -d \ -f 1` >bash: 130.116.4.29: command not found >[root at lycra]# echo $WAN_IP From james at rcpt.to Wed Jan 9 23:55:45 2002 From: james at rcpt.to (James Bromberger) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 23:55:45 +0800 Subject: [plug] Copying a directory tree without the files In-Reply-To: References: <000001c19923$1e862f20$4c00a8c0@eeyore> Message-ID: <20020109155544.GC18230@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 11:45:56PM +0800, Matt Kemner wrote: > > b) copy the tree (minus the files) to a template location. > for X in `find /source_dir -type d` > do > mkdir /target_dir/$X > done cd /source_dir; find . -type d -exec mkdir /dest_dir/{} \; Or something... James -- James Bromberger www.james.rcpt.to Australian Debian Conference: http://www.linux.org.au/conf/debiancon.html Remainder moved to http://www.james.rcpt.to/james/sig.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From badger at arach.net.au Thu Jan 10 00:16:32 2002 From: badger at arach.net.au (Adam Davin) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:16:32 +0800 Subject: [plug] shell script In-Reply-To: <15420.25350.344731.65576@anville.wa.cmis.CSIRO.AU> Message-ID: <000801c19929$00941c60$4c00a8c0@eeyore> Rob, I originally did something like this for my first ppp up scripts so that I could update my dynamic dns entries... Then I realised (for debian at least) that the IP address is piped to ip-up and then ip-up.local (if you have it) as arguement $4 thus adding a line something like echo $4 > /etc/ppp/my-ip should stick your ip in the above mentioned file HTH Adam Davin ps. my string was /sbin/ifconfig | grep -e ppp -A1 | grep -e inet | cut c-21-35 occasionally as the ip address was longer or shorter I'd pick up a stray character at the end. > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Dunne [mailto:robd at anville.wa.cmis.CSIRO.AU] > Sent: Wednesday, 9 January 2002 11:35 PM > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: [plug] shell script > > > > Hi list, > > the following is from a script from the "Security Quick-Start > Howto". WAN_IP is not being set and the script fails > > but what is wrong with it? I have tried all sorts of quotes `,",' as > well as no quote but nothing works > > > > [root at lycra]# WAN_IFACE="ppp0" > [root at lycra]# echo $WAN_IFACE > ppp0 > [root at lycra]# WAN_IP= `/sbin/ifconfig $WAN_IFACE |grep inet |cut > -d : -f 2 |cut -d \ -f 1` > bash: 130.116.4.29: command not found > [root at lycra]# echo $WAN_IP > > [root at lycra]# > > bye > rob > > -- > Rob Dunne Fax: +61 8 9333 6121 Tel: +61 8 9333 6178 > CSIRO Mathematical and Information Sciences > Leeuwin Centre for Earth Sensing Technologies > Private Bag 5, P.O., Wembley, Western Australia, 6913 > http://matilda.vu.edu.au/~dunne Email: Robert.Dunne at cmis.csiro.au > > Java has certainly revolutionized marketing and litigation. > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release Date: 2/01/02 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release Date: 2/01/02 From leon at brooks.fdns.net Thu Jan 10 00:55:32 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:55:32 +0800 Subject: [plug] shell script In-Reply-To: <000801c19929$00941c60$4c00a8c0@eeyore> References: <000801c19929$00941c60$4c00a8c0@eeyore> Message-ID: <20020109165620.6F714325763@mail.old-firestation.net> On Thursday 10 January 2002 00:16, Adam Davin wrote: > echo $4 > /etc/ppp/my-ip On most setups, this will also work (and allows the /etc partition to be ro): echo $IPLOCAL > /var/log/ppp-last.log Cheers; Leon From billk at iinet.net.au Thu Jan 10 06:40:19 2002 From: billk at iinet.net.au (Bill Kenworthy) Date: 10 Jan 2002 06:40:19 +0800 Subject: [plug] Swap File Message-ID: <1010616019.31011.6.camel@rattus.Localdomain> Is there a partitian editor that cam move/resize a win2000 ntfs/reiserfs partitioned disk other than partition magic? I originally set it up using partitian magic 5, but created the swap too small, but PM will no longer work, possibly coz of reiserfs being on there (locks up during boot from the pm floppies). In the meantime I am using a swapfile, but performance seems to take a hit, as well as taking up space on the filesystem. BillK From cottmain at yahoo.com.au Thu Jan 10 07:18:59 2002 From: cottmain at yahoo.com.au (Daniel) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:18:59 +0800 Subject: [plug] OT: Which Perth ISPs provide IMAP? In-Reply-To: <000101c19917$3bd1d770$0a00a8c0@3fragsleft.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020109220322.029afcf8@mail.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020110071005.01fdbe48@144.135.24.13> Thanks for the lead on West Net. I asked plug because I contacted two of the big isps - guess it depends who you get on the support desk: One told me imap was an old standard not used any more and the other told me it was only used on an isp's servers when they set up web mail, and not something an individual user could use. Thanks, Daniel. At 22:09 9/01/2002 +0800, you wrote: >I would've thought that most of the larger/decent ISPs all offer both >POP3 and IMAP access to email accounts? The ISP I'm with offers >both.... > >/ Ben From steveg at calm.wa.gov.au Thu Jan 10 07:59:55 2002 From: steveg at calm.wa.gov.au (Steve Grasso) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:59:55 +0800 Subject: [plug] Swap File In-Reply-To: <1010616019.31011.6.camel@rattus.Localdomain> References: <1010616019.31011.6.camel@rattus.Localdomain> Message-ID: <02011007595514.12576@202.1.30.40> The freeware Partition Resizer (http://zeleps.com/) allegedly will move a W2K partition, but not resize it. Regards, Steve On Thursday 10 January 2002 06:40, Bill Kenworthy wrote: > Is there a partitian editor that cam move/resize a win2000 ntfs/reiserfs > partitioned disk other than partition magic? I originally set it up > using partitian magic 5, but created the swap too small, but PM will no > longer work, possibly coz of reiserfs being on there (locks up during > boot from the pm floppies). > > In the meantime I am using a swapfile, but performance seems to take a > hit, as well as taking up space on the filesystem. > > BillK From christian at amnet.net.au Thu Jan 10 09:20:20 2002 From: christian at amnet.net.au (Christian) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:20:20 +0800 Subject: [plug] MD5 convert In-Reply-To: <098d01c198fe$39e504f0$6400a8c0@brian>; from brian@paradigmit.com.au on Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 07:10:20PM +0800 References: <087401c198bf$8b05e780$6400a8c0@brian> <20020109190237.A26542@eagle.amnet.net.au> <098d01c198fe$39e504f0$6400a8c0@brian> Message-ID: <20020110092020.A4751@eagle.amnet.net.au> On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 07:10:20PM +0800, Brian Tombleson wrote: > Err, no, I didn't want to convert hashes. I want the system to check > existing MD5 hashed passwords with the MD5 algorithm. The system was built > (without MD5 turned on) and the passwd+shadow file copied from backup. You mean this doesn't happen automatically? I would have thought the system would use the hash prefix to identify the algorithm to use -- this is the way other systems do it and I always assumed Linux was the same. -- DSA 0x0EC1D28C: BBCB 0D79 4EBB 078A A066 7267 8BED E9D6 0EC1 D28C From wayne.vovil at ausi.com Thu Jan 10 09:31:04 2002 From: wayne.vovil at ausi.com (Wayne Vovil) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:31:04 -0800 Subject: [plug] editor Message-ID: <200201100131.g0A1V4r10588@mail23.bigmailbox.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From tony at cantech.net.au Thu Jan 10 09:36:31 2002 From: tony at cantech.net.au (Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:36:31 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] MD5 convert In-Reply-To: <20020110092020.A4751@eagle.amnet.net.au> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Christian wrote: > On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 07:10:20PM +0800, Brian Tombleson wrote: > > Err, no, I didn't want to convert hashes. I want the system to check > > existing MD5 hashed passwords with the MD5 algorithm. The system was built > > (without MD5 turned on) and the passwd+shadow file copied from backup. > > You mean this doesn't happen automatically? I would have thought the > system would use the hash prefix to identify the algorithm to use -- > this is the way other systems do it and I always assumed Linux was the > same. When you install you get asked if you want md5 support if you say "no" then you don't get it. Makes sense to me. What Brian was asking was "Opps I said no! How do I now change that to yes?" Yours Tony. /* * "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the * same level of thinking we were at when we created them." * --Albert Einstein */ From tony at cantech.net.au Thu Jan 10 09:44:38 2002 From: tony at cantech.net.au (Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:44:38 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] OT: Which Perth ISPs provide IMAP? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020109220322.029afcf8@mail.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, Daniel wrote: > Hi Plug, I got the impression that there had been some concerns about > IMAP's security, but they were now overcome [or could be by setup]. > > Can anyone tell me which Perth ISPs provide IMAP e-mail access please? Probably few and far between. iamp+ssl do doable and IMAP can be enabled BUT only for access from the ISP's LAN/ Modem pool. Yours Tony. /* * "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the * same level of thinking we were at when we created them." * --Albert Einstein */ From wpickett at iprimus.com.au Thu Jan 10 12:14:06 2002 From: wpickett at iprimus.com.au (Richard Barnes) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:14:06 +0800 Subject: [plug] en_GB (was Tux racer) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c1998d$466d6f20$0200a8c0@Main700> It was not so much the selection of UK English, but the combination of UK English and US keyboard, that seemed to affect my copy of version 8. Being a long time ago I can't be too specific, but it used to hang around the point where the font server starts at boot up. The selection of all US settings, or all UK settings, seemed to solve the problem. From skribe at amber.com.au Thu Jan 10 14:02:08 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:02:08 +0800 Subject: [plug] Plug membership drive? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020110040959.009cb970@decisions-and-designs.com.au> References: <20020109121903.726163258E2@mail.old-firestation.net> <4.2.0.58.20020110040959.009cb970@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <0201101402080P.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> At Harry's suggestion I've moved this thread to the plug list: ---------------------------------------- In the last episode.... Daniel started by saying: I know Tony put something on the list recently about membership, however I discussed plug membership with someone else who is on the list today and I found out they didn't even know how much it cost. Then skribe chimed in by saying: IMHO a PLUG membership lack benefits. Sure you get access to the library and you get a spark account, but if you don't need these then apart from being philantropic there is little reason to pay up. The mailing list is free. The web site support is free. I think both should stay that way. But if we're after a membership drive (ie. money) we need to value add. The first place I would start is introducing a membership card. Then we could hopefully arrange discounts at shops/services. To which Leon replied: You might be able to do stuff like get movie houses to offer a small discount on sighting the card, there are many people who would give you a discount if you simply asked for it, but most people won't. OTOH, if you sell them a card and list people who'll offer discounts on sighting the card, there are a class of people who will go around making sure they get every discount, thus ``saving'' heaps of money - scratch, scratch, never quite been able to figure that one out. That's how shop-a-docket works. And skribe reminisced: We introduced a CIA (Curtin Imagination Association) card mid-way through 1988 (not sure if they still do it). We got 10% discounts at all the sf bookstores and gaming shops (there were more back then). For a struggling student with a horrendous gaming habit the membership cost ($5) usually paid for itself with the first purchase. The shops benefited too. We were able to direct new members to those shops. In fact there were many people that didn't know a specialised sf bookstore even existed. As a result, the books got added custom and loads of goodwill. Our membership for '88 was around 60 members, most of which signed up on O-day and we never saw again. Active membership was around 20 (up from 4 for 1987 =). Membership for '89 was around 300 with about 100 active. A significant part of the increase was as a direct result of being able to demonstrate a benefit to joining the CIA (card = discounts). That's what we need for PLUG. Then Harry suggested: I'm going to drop my alternative view on ppl and suggest that you've all fallen for the nineties mememememe marketing hype. It's ten bucks, folks, to _support_ all of that stuff that is free. Why not simply ask people to show their support for PLUG by being financial members ? For all the reasons already talked about; including Daniel's discussion about the club having credibility because of it's large formal membership. Honestly, that's why I walked up to Tony a little while ago and said "Here's my $10, about time I joined since I get a lot out of PLUG". That should be promoted at the standard way of becoming involved. My thoughts are for a simple solution: 1. Ask ppl to support PLUG by becoming financial. 2. When you tell (new) ppl about PLUG tell them things are free but that there is a financial membership status that helps to support the goals and community that is PLUG. For $deity 's sake, _don't_emphasise_ that there is not many _additional_ benefits. John Singleton would be showing us the door on our first day :-) And I don't mean that it is a con. The financial support will allow us to grow and do other things; including most importantly, the resources to commence conf2003 preparation when we are successful. -------------------------------------- And now for today's exciting adventure.....ok, well maybe not. Perhaps it is the level of my cynicism or a demonstration of my lack of maturity, but I believe just asking won't boost fee-paying member numbers by much. Also I don't believe that suggesting that we introduce a membership card is catering to the mememememe mentality. If anything it would help better develop the PLUG community. Once we finalise a logo I'd also like to see t-shirts. Sure, it will bring in some dosh to the club, but it will also mean I have something that says, "PLUGger and proud of it." YMMV. skribe PS: I hope the attributions and quotes are understandable. -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 If voting could change the system, it would be illegal. If not voting could change the system, it would be illegal. From myk at golden.wattle.id.au Thu Jan 10 15:08:42 2002 From: myk at golden.wattle.id.au (Mike Holland) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:08:42 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] Plug membership drive? In-Reply-To: <0201101402080P.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, skribe wrote: > You might be able to do stuff like get movie houses to offer a small discount > on sighting the card, there are many people who would give you a discount if Many shops such as bike shops and outdoor/camping shops will give 10% off just for asking, and lots of clubs have that 'arrangement' for members. But what would PLUG do? Computer shops dont have the margin for much of a discount. I suppose it doesnt hurt to ask. 4% for cash?? Movies? I hope nobody here is dumb enough to pay full price for movie tickets. There are so many discount options already. Can we configure the mailing list to append a footer ? **** This message was posted by un un-paid member. Please encourage him to register. **** From steveg at calm.wa.gov.au Thu Jan 10 15:19:23 2002 From: steveg at calm.wa.gov.au (Steve Grasso) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:19:23 +0800 Subject: [plug] Plug membership drive? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02011015192316.12576@202.1.30.40> G'day Mike, On Thursday 10 January 2002 15:08, Mike Holland wrote: [snip] > Can we configure the mailing list to append a footer ? > > **** This message was posted by un un-paid member. Please encourage > him to register. **** For those who aren't yet financial..... Regards, Steve **** This message was posted by a fully paid-up member. Please pat them on the back next time you see them. **** :-P From jensz at wn.com.au Thu Jan 10 15:25:15 2002 From: jensz at wn.com.au (Ben Jensz) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:25:15 +0800 Subject: [plug] Plug membership drive? References: <20020109121903.726163258E2@mail.old-firestation.net> <4.2.0.58.20020110040959.009cb970@decisions-and-designs.com.au> <0201101402080P.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> Message-ID: <007d01c199a7$f328a580$0a00a8c0@infotech1> Talking about PLUG membership, how much does it cost, and how would one go about joining if they weren't located in Perth? / Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "skribe" To: Cc: "linux.conf.au" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 2:02 PM Subject: [plug] Plug membership drive? At Harry's suggestion I've moved this thread to the plug list: ---------------------------------------- In the last episode.... Daniel started by saying: I know Tony put something on the list recently about membership, however I discussed plug membership with someone else who is on the list today and I found out they didn't even know how much it cost. Then skribe chimed in by saying: IMHO a PLUG membership lack benefits. Sure you get access to the library and you get a spark account, but if you don't need these then apart from being philantropic there is little reason to pay up. The mailing list is free. The web site support is free. I think both should stay that way. But if we're after a membership drive (ie. money) we need to value add. The first place I would start is introducing a membership card. Then we could hopefully arrange discounts at shops/services. To which Leon replied: You might be able to do stuff like get movie houses to offer a small discount on sighting the card, there are many people who would give you a discount if you simply asked for it, but most people won't. OTOH, if you sell them a card and list people who'll offer discounts on sighting the card, there are a class of people who will go around making sure they get every discount, thus ``saving'' heaps of money - scratch, scratch, never quite been able to figure that one out. That's how shop-a-docket works. And skribe reminisced: We introduced a CIA (Curtin Imagination Association) card mid-way through 1988 (not sure if they still do it). We got 10% discounts at all the sf bookstores and gaming shops (there were more back then). For a struggling student with a horrendous gaming habit the membership cost ($5) usually paid for itself with the first purchase. The shops benefited too. We were able to direct new members to those shops. In fact there were many people that didn't know a specialised sf bookstore even existed. As a result, the books got added custom and loads of goodwill. Our membership for '88 was around 60 members, most of which signed up on O-day and we never saw again. Active membership was around 20 (up from 4 for 1987 =). Membership for '89 was around 300 with about 100 active. A significant part of the increase was as a direct result of being able to demonstrate a benefit to joining the CIA (card = discounts). That's what we need for PLUG. Then Harry suggested: I'm going to drop my alternative view on ppl and suggest that you've all fallen for the nineties mememememe marketing hype. It's ten bucks, folks, to _support_ all of that stuff that is free. Why not simply ask people to show their support for PLUG by being financial members ? For all the reasons already talked about; including Daniel's discussion about the club having credibility because of it's large formal membership. Honestly, that's why I walked up to Tony a little while ago and said "Here's my $10, about time I joined since I get a lot out of PLUG". That should be promoted at the standard way of becoming involved. My thoughts are for a simple solution: 1. Ask ppl to support PLUG by becoming financial. 2. When you tell (new) ppl about PLUG tell them things are free but that there is a financial membership status that helps to support the goals and community that is PLUG. For $deity 's sake, _don't_emphasise_ that there is not many _additional_ benefits. John Singleton would be showing us the door on our first day :-) And I don't mean that it is a con. The financial support will allow us to grow and do other things; including most importantly, the resources to commence conf2003 preparation when we are successful. -------------------------------------- And now for today's exciting adventure.....ok, well maybe not. Perhaps it is the level of my cynicism or a demonstration of my lack of maturity, but I believe just asking won't boost fee-paying member numbers by much. Also I don't believe that suggesting that we introduce a membership card is catering to the mememememe mentality. If anything it would help better develop the PLUG community. Once we finalise a logo I'd also like to see t-shirts. Sure, it will bring in some dosh to the club, but it will also mean I have something that says, "PLUGger and proud of it." YMMV. skribe PS: I hope the attributions and quotes are understandable. -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 If voting could change the system, it would be illegal. If not voting could change the system, it would be illegal. From Russell.Hobman at watercorporation.com.au Thu Jan 10 15:24:46 2002 From: Russell.Hobman at watercorporation.com.au (Russell Hobman) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:24:46 +0800 Subject: [plug] Plug membership drive? Message-ID: <47E91C2E82EDD211A9980010E3621EADB4D462@SVNTBY1-03.watercorporation.com.au> I second this question. what are the benefits for country members?? > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Jensz [SMTP:jensz at wn.com.au] > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:24 PM > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: Re: [plug] Plug membership drive? > > Talking about PLUG membership, how much does it cost, and how would one go > about joining if they weren't located in Perth? > > > / Ben > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "skribe" > To: > Cc: "linux.conf.au" > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 2:02 PM > Subject: [plug] Plug membership drive? > > > At Harry's suggestion I've moved this thread to the plug list: > > ---------------------------------------- > In the last episode.... > > Daniel started by saying: > > I know Tony put something on the list recently about membership, however > I discussed plug membership with someone else who is on the list today and > I found out they didn't even know how much it cost. > > Then skribe chimed in by saying: > > IMHO a PLUG membership lack benefits. Sure you get access to the library > and > you get a spark account, but if you don't need these then apart from being > philantropic there is little reason to pay up. The mailing list is free. > The web site support is free. I think both should stay that way. But if > we're after a membership drive (ie. money) we need to value add. > > The first place I would start is introducing a membership card. Then we > could hopefully arrange discounts at shops/services. > > To which Leon replied: > > You might be able to do stuff like get movie houses to offer a small > discount > on sighting the card, there are many people who would give you a discount > if > you simply asked for it, but most people won't. OTOH, if you sell them a > card > and list people who'll offer discounts on sighting the card, there are a > class of people who will go around making sure they get every discount, > thus > ``saving'' heaps of money - scratch, scratch, never quite been able to > figure > that one out. That's how shop-a-docket works. > > And skribe reminisced: > > We introduced a CIA (Curtin Imagination Association) card mid-way through > 1988 (not sure if they still do it). We got 10% discounts at all the sf > bookstores and gaming shops (there were more back then). For a struggling > student with a horrendous gaming habit the membership cost ($5) usually > paid > for itself with the first purchase. The shops benefited too. We were able > to > direct new members to those shops. In fact there were many people that > didn't know a specialised sf bookstore even existed. As a result, the > books > got added custom and loads of goodwill. > > Our membership for '88 was around 60 members, most of which signed up on > O-day and we never saw again. Active membership was around 20 (up from 4 > for > 1987 =). Membership for '89 was around 300 with about 100 active. A > significant part of the increase was as a direct result of being able to > demonstrate a benefit to joining the CIA (card = discounts). That's what > we > need for PLUG. > > Then Harry suggested: > > I'm going to drop my alternative view on ppl and suggest that you've all > fallen for the nineties mememememe marketing hype. > > It's ten bucks, folks, to _support_ all of that stuff that is free. > > Why not simply ask people to show their support for PLUG by being > financial > members ? > > For all the reasons already talked about; including Daniel's discussion > about the club having credibility because of it's large formal membership. > > Honestly, that's why I walked up to Tony a little while ago and said > "Here's my $10, about time I joined since I get a lot out of PLUG". That > should be promoted at the standard way of becoming involved. > > My thoughts are for a simple solution: > > 1. Ask ppl to support PLUG by becoming financial. > 2. When you tell (new) ppl about PLUG tell them things are free but that > there is a financial membership status that helps to support the goals and > community that is PLUG. For $deity 's sake, _don't_emphasise_ that there > is > not many _additional_ benefits. John Singleton would be showing us the > door > on our first day :-) > > And I don't mean that it is a con. The financial support will allow us to > grow and do other things; including most importantly, the resources to > commence conf2003 preparation when we are successful. > > -------------------------------------- > > And now for today's exciting adventure.....ok, well maybe not. > > Perhaps it is the level of my cynicism or a demonstration of my lack of > maturity, but I believe just asking won't boost fee-paying member numbers > by > much. Also I don't believe that suggesting that we introduce a membership > card is catering to the mememememe mentality. If anything it would help > better develop the PLUG community. Once we finalise a logo I'd also like > to > see t-shirts. Sure, it will bring in some dosh to the club, but it will > also > mean I have something that says, "PLUGger and proud of it." YMMV. > > skribe > > PS: I hope the attributions and quotes are understandable. > -- > Public key information available at: > http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html > Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 > > If voting could change the system, it would be illegal. If not voting > could change the system, it would be illegal. > From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Thu Jan 10 15:39:43 2002 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:39:43 +0000 Subject: [plug] Re: PLUG logo candidates Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020110073406.0099b470@decisions-and-designs.com.au> plug /pl^g/, n., v., ... ... 13. U.S. Colloq. a man's tall silk hat. (?) -v.t 14. to stop or fill with or as with a plug. ... http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~decdes/unplugged.gif H From plug at goa-trance.org Thu Jan 10 15:34:35 2002 From: plug at goa-trance.org (Luke Dudney) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:34:35 +0800 Subject: [plug] Re: PLUG logo candidates References: <4.2.0.58.20020110073406.0099b470@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <3C3D440B.2060503@goa-trance.org> There is another meaning to the word "PLUG".... in some circles it means to: http://www.bluelight.nu/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=32&t=000019&p= However I do not believe this would make good inspiration for a logo. Luke. Harry McNally wrote: > > plug /pl^g/, n., v., ... > > ... 13. U.S. Colloq. a man's tall silk hat. (?) -v.t 14. to stop or > fill with or as with a plug. ... > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~decdes/unplugged.gif > > H > From batesy at batesy.net Thu Jan 10 15:36:12 2002 From: batesy at batesy.net (Jonathon Bates) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:36:12 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] Plug membership drive? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Many shops such as bike shops and outdoor/camping shops will give 10% off > just for asking, and lots of clubs have that 'arrangement' for members. On that note, I konw a lot of geeks who are the outdoorsy none stereotypical "geeks". I wonder if it would be possible to perhaps talk to such places (Mountain Designs and so forth) about discounts for clubs. > But what would PLUG do? Computer shops dont have the margin for much of > a discount. I suppose it doesnt hurt to ask. 4% for cash?? > Movies? I hope nobody here is dumb enough to pay full price > for movie tickets. There are so many discount options already. I guess if we really wanted to get plugs name out and about, perhaps have a charity golf day, where alot of the linux users and supporters around Perth have a best ball comp or something. Teams of 4. We could get sponsorship from some of the bigger ISP's and companies around town and the profits goto cover plugs costs (which would be minimal) and the rest to say Telethon or something. Thoughts?? > Can we configure the mailing list to append a footer ? Wouldnt be hard to do! Cheers batesy From tony at cantech.net.au Thu Jan 10 15:38:07 2002 From: tony at cantech.net.au (Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:38:07 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] Plug membership drive? In-Reply-To: <0201101402080P.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, skribe wrote: > At Harry's suggestion I've moved this thread to the plug list: > > ---------------------------------------- > In the last episode.... Nice summary. > -------------------------------------- > > And now for today's exciting adventure.....ok, well maybe not. > > Perhaps it is the level of my cynicism or a demonstration of my lack of > maturity, but I believe just asking won't boost fee-paying member numbers by > much. Also I don't believe that suggesting that we introduce a membership > card is catering to the mememememe mentality. If anything it would help > better develop the PLUG community. Once we finalise a logo I'd also like to > see t-shirts. Sure, it will bring in some dosh to the club, but it will also > mean I have something that says, "PLUGger and proud of it." YMMV. On several occaisions I've spoken to Chris at LSWA about a membership card. He's keen on it. I'm keen on it. Not so much from a discount POV, I can't really think of other benefits from it ..... Still keen on it tho. The main reasons it hasn't happend. 1) No-one else was screaming for it. 2) I haven't really had the time to look at it. As the sec./Treas. I kinda figured that it was for me to do. 3) Logo or Lack there of. 4) There's always been "bigger-n-better" things to do: a) sort out the membership database ... WIP b) library c) installfests ... yes plural ... the list really just goes on. If someone can look into what we need to do a decent job of a membership card then I think we should do it. discounts and mememememem mentality asside. I also agree with skribe that once we get the Logo done t-Shirts are a good idea. The couple of times they've come up, people have been keen on a PLUG shirt. I can't really see it costing us much more than $20.00 each to make I realise that this is basically a large "mee too" post. Don't really have much to say other than give my support, and to thank the people that have recently (last 4-6 months) mucked in (in a big way) with PLUG. (Perhaps I'm just tired) > PS: I hope the attributions and quotes are understandable. Made sense to me. Yours Tony. /* * "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the * same level of thinking we were at when we created them." * --Albert Einstein */ From tony at cantech.net.au Thu Jan 10 15:41:12 2002 From: tony at cantech.net.au (Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:41:12 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] Plug membership drive? In-Reply-To: <007d01c199a7$f328a580$0a00a8c0@infotech1> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Ben Jensz wrote: > Talking about PLUG membership, how much does it cost, and how would one go > about joining if they weren't located in Perth? via mail we have a POBox Yours Tony. /* * "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the * same level of thinking we were at when we created them." * --Albert Einstein */ From bonfire at bur.st Thu Jan 10 15:43:36 2002 From: bonfire at bur.st (Paul Day) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:43:36 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] Plug membership drive? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Jonathon Bates wrote: > On that note, I konw a lot of geeks who are the outdoorsy none > stereotypical "geeks". I wonder if it would be possible to perhaps talk to > such places (Mountain Designs and so forth) about discounts for clubs. Having worked at MDs for four years, I can say it'd be pretty unlikely... Outdoor gear shops have a much smaller profit margin than you'd initially think - much less than department stores such as Myer. When I was at MDs a lot of schools would want to setup discount rates for their kids/teachers and it was just not worth it, regardless of how much they actually purchased. That said, it has been over three years since I worked there and I'm definately not speaking on their behalf, but I'd be surprised if things had changed. PD -- Paul Day Web: www.bur.st/~bonfire From tony at cantech.net.au Thu Jan 10 15:45:07 2002 From: tony at cantech.net.au (Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:45:07 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] Plug membership drive? In-Reply-To: <47E91C2E82EDD211A9980010E3621EADB4D462@SVNTBY1-03.watercorporation.com.au> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Russell Hobman wrote: > I second this question. what are the benefits for country members?? Other than the warm fuzzy feeling and an account on spark (yup another email drees) nothing. trim your posts, it's frakly annoying when you don't Yours Tony. /* * "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the * same level of thinking we were at when we created them." * --Albert Einstein */ From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Thu Jan 10 15:57:22 2002 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:57:22 +0000 Subject: [plug] Plug membership drive? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020110074947.00a18950@decisions-and-designs.com.au> At 07:36 10/01/02 , batesy wrote: > >... perhaps have a charity golf day, where alot of the linux users and >supporters around >Perth have a best ball comp or something. Teams of 4. Eeeek. With the mention of gLoF I'd rather revert to stereotype. Quick, where's that Skinny Puppy CD ? Oh .. the horror the horror. :-) H From batesy at batesy.net Thu Jan 10 15:51:10 2002 From: batesy at batesy.net (Jonathon Bates) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:51:10 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] Plug membership drive? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020110074947.00a18950@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: > Eeeek. With the mention of gLoF I'd rather revert to stereotype. Quick, > where's that Skinny Puppy CD ? Oh .. the horror the horror. > Hehe! :) I suggest golf because it is a *corporate* thing to do......... :) And i love the game! :) Cheers batesy From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Thu Jan 10 16:05:22 2002 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:05:22 +0000 Subject: [plug] Plug membership drive? In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20020110074947.00a18950@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020110080239.00a18240@decisions-and-designs.com.au> At 07:51 10/01/02 , you wrote: > > Eeeek. With the mention of gLoF I'd rather revert to stereotype. Quick, > > where's that Skinny Puppy CD ? Oh .. the horror the horror. > > > >Hehe! :) >I suggest golf because it is a *corporate* thing to do......... :) Damn. I knew there were rungs missing on my ladder :) >And i love the game! :) Eeeeek =:o H From wayne.vovil at ausi.com Thu Jan 10 16:01:28 2002 From: wayne.vovil at ausi.com (Wayne Vovil) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:01:28 -0800 Subject: [plug] Plug membership drive? Message-ID: <200201100801.g0A81S514013@mail7.bigmailbox.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From tony at cantech.net.au Thu Jan 10 16:05:11 2002 From: tony at cantech.net.au (Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:05:11 +0800 (WST) Subject: [OT] Golf (was Re: [plug] Plug membership drive?) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020110074947.00a18950@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Harry McNally wrote: > At 07:36 10/01/02 , batesy wrote: > > > >... perhaps have a charity golf day, where alot of the linux users and > >supporters around > >Perth have a best ball comp or something. Teams of 4. > > Eeeek. With the mention of gLoF I'd rather revert to stereotype. Quick, > where's that Skinny Puppy CD ? Oh .. the horror the horror. > > Ahhhh you should switch to perl Golf. The required program is hole. The number of characters in your solution is your "strokes" par is either the best score so far or the scaore at which you've had a good punt. ie Hole: print the forest 10 lines of a text file. You may NOT write to STDERR. You can assume the the data desn't contain NULLS You're code must (intheory work on a TCP stream). (a) Solution: #/usr/bin/perl -p (" -p") = 3 11..exit ("11..exit") = 8 par=11 (I don't think that can be beaten) (Not my code, either) It's _far_ more fun than wacking a little white ball arround and getting sunburnt. Yours Tony. /* * "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the * same level of thinking we were at when we created them." * --Albert Einstein */ From bob at contact.omen.com.au Thu Jan 10 16:28:41 2002 From: bob at contact.omen.com.au (bob) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:28:41 +0800 Subject: [plug] Plug membership drive? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200201101626.5434451.6@contact.omen.com.au> On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:41, Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Ben Jensz wrote: > > Talking about PLUG membership, how much does it cost, and how would one > > go about joining if they weren't located in Perth? > > via mail we have a POBox > > > Yours Tony. And where might that be? It does not seem to be mentioned on the web site. -- bob fingerprint = BBC8 A0BD 10DF CBF6 08C9 86AE 4672 2095 D705 90E9 From Russell.Hobman at watercorporation.com.au Thu Jan 10 16:25:50 2002 From: Russell.Hobman at watercorporation.com.au (Russell Hobman) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:25:50 +0800 Subject: [plug] Plug membership drive? Message-ID: <47E91C2E82EDD211A9980010E3621EADB4D463@SVNTBY1-03.watercorporation.com.au> > And where might that be? It does not seem to be mentioned on the web site. > > -- bob ---------------------------------------------- bob, it is probably on the letterhead of the welcome letter you get when you join? Russell. From pete at akira.apana.org.au Thu Jan 10 16:52:57 2002 From: pete at akira.apana.org.au (Peter Wright) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:52:57 +0800 Subject: [plug] editor In-Reply-To: <200201100131.g0A1V4r10588@mail23.bigmailbox.com> References: <200201100131.g0A1V4r10588@mail23.bigmailbox.com> Message-ID: <20020110165257.A25478@chef.flooble.net.au> On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 05:31:04PM -0800, Wayne Vovil wrote: > Hi > > Thanks for that! But I am REALLY after something more professional and > intuitive. Let's use C as an example. I want to type: > > if (execl(childpath, childpath, wparm, (char *) 0) < 0) err_sys("execl error"); > > (sorry about the formatting) > > I would like: > > when I type "if" I get "if (" and when I have typed "if (execl" I get "if (execl(char *, char *, parm, " etc. > > In other words, not only keyword completion; but more than that (call it > parm prompting etc. Hmmmm. > Also it would be nice to have context sensitive scoping. By that I mean, > using an OOP language, you would have a drop-down list of object > references available that were valid for the current scope. I think this may be more than something like Vim at least can provide. That sort of feature sounds like the sort of thing that could only be provided in an integrated development environment editor for a limited set of languages (eg. I think the default editor in Microsoft Visual Studio does something like this for C or C++). I accomplish something that is effectively very close to this using a combination of ctags and a utility called global (in C++), but it's not what you want. For example, I could type: if (execl ...then hit escape, make sure the cursor is on the word "execl" and hit ctrl-]. Vim will leap straight to the definition of execl (in the system header file). I can copy the definition in a number of ways (eg. if it's on a single line I press 'yy'), leap back to where I started by pressing ctrl-t, and paste the line with 'p'. To comment the line out I can highlight the line with 'V' and press 'F8' (is a very useful macro I've created that prepends the selected area with '//'). Now that probably sounds like a lot of work when I describe it, but it actually takes no more than a few seconds. There's also another simpler (and sometimes more effective) approach you can sometimes take with system functions that have a man page for them (ie. under UN*X/Linux or Cygwin under Windows) if you're using Vim in a terminal - move your cursor over the word in question, eg. "execl", and press 'K'. The man page for execl will then pop up (this option is, however, not so effective on Windows where I do most of my development work). This system is by no means perfect, but it's pretty decent - especially for navigating through your own code. There's even more funky stuff that you can do with the cscope interface, though I don't use that. > I know that this is probably not clear to anyone but myself. Oh, it's quite clear :). I just don't think that any IDEs (and I really doubt any pure editors) on Linux supply this sort of language-and-developmentenvironment-specific feature as yet - though I'd be happy to be corrected on this point. More recent editions of KDevelop or KDE Studio Gold may. > Ta > Wayne > PS I would also like this without having to press > (CNTR+Alt+Backspace+PGDwn+N - a minimum of keys - say tab) :imap :-) Though the above probably won't help, I hope it was at least mildly interesting. :) Pete. -- http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/ -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. -- RFC 1925 From bob at contact.omen.com.au Thu Jan 10 16:59:00 2002 From: bob at contact.omen.com.au (bob) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:59:00 +0800 Subject: [plug] Plug membership drive? In-Reply-To: <47E91C2E82EDD211A9980010E3621EADB4D463@SVNTBY1-03.watercorporation.com.au> References: <47E91C2E82EDD211A9980010E3621EADB4D463@SVNTBY1-03.watercorporation.com.au> Message-ID: <200201101657.1337708.6@contact.omen.com.au> On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:25, Russell Hobman wrote: > > And where might that be? It does not seem to be mentioned on the web > > site. > > > > -- bob > > ---------------------------------------------- > bob, it is probably on the letterhead of the welcome letter you get when > you join? > Russell. I hope you were attempting to be funny :(. Erm... does anyone else see a problem here? A request is made for information on obtaining a membership and the only forthcoming is "via mail we have a POBox" with no pointers to where that PO Box might be. Way to generate interest in joining guys! -- bob fingerprint = BBC8 A0BD 10DF CBF6 08C9 86AE 4672 2095 D705 90E9 From tony at cantech.net.au Thu Jan 10 17:16:37 2002 From: tony at cantech.net.au (Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:16:37 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] Plug membership drive? In-Reply-To: <200201101657.1337708.6@contact.omen.com.au> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, bob wrote: > A request is made for information on obtaining a membership and the only > forthcoming is "via mail we have a POBox" with no pointers to where that PO > Box might be. Please accept my apploogies. My logic was faulty. This is NOT supposed to sound like a flame but it may it honnestly is not meant that way. There is a link on the memberships page that says: "How: Come to one of the meetings or contact The Treasurer." Where "The Treasurer" is a mailto to me. I would have expected people to mail me if they have any queries. About the membership process. In fact that's exactly what has heppend for the 2 Broome members and 1 Kalgoorlie (sp?) member. I replied to the list with "via mail we have a POBox" because I honnestly didn't see Bens's email as a request to join. I read it as more of an informational "what would I do if I live in ......". I don't make the PObox address available on the web (eith PLUG homepage ot mailinglist) because I really don't want to deal with the spam. > Way to generate interest in joining guys! We're fallable, especially as I was up 'till 02:00 this morning working on PLUG stuff (and I wasn't alone there were 4 of us). That'd be why I emailed you the membership form and POBox address not Ben. Ben, I'm not asking you to take sides, did I misread you're post ??? Yours Tony. /* * "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the * same level of thinking we were at when we created them." * --Albert Einstein */ From skribe at amber.com.au Thu Jan 10 17:20:30 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:20:30 +0800 Subject: [plug] Plug membership drive? In-Reply-To: <200201101657.1337708.6@contact.omen.com.au> References: <47E91C2E82EDD211A9980010E3621EADB4D463@SVNTBY1-03.watercorporation.com.au> <200201101657.1337708.6@contact.omen.com.au> Message-ID: <02011017203000.09490@oberon.amber.com.au> On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:59, bob wrote: > A request is made for information on obtaining a membership and the only > forthcoming is "via mail we have a POBox" with no pointers to where that PO > Box might be. > > Way to generate interest in joining guys! But think on the bright side. At least we now know there is a PO Box, which is something we didn't know before. Now all we have to do is find out which one =). skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 gyroscope, n.: A wheel or disk mounted to spin rapidly about an axis and also free to rotate about one or both of two axes perpindicular to each other and the axis of spin so that a rotation of one of the two mutually perpendicular axes results from application of torque to the other when the wheel is spinning and so that the entire apparatus offers considerable opposition depending on the angular momentum to any torque that would change the direction of the axis of spin. -- Webster's Seventh New Collegiate Dictionary From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Thu Jan 10 17:38:11 2002 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:38:11 +0000 Subject: [plug] Plug membership drive? In-Reply-To: References: <200201101657.1337708.6@contact.omen.com.au> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020110093028.00a18e70@decisions-and-designs.com.au> At 09:16 10/01/02 , you wrote: >On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, bob wrote: > > > A request is made for information on obtaining a membership and the only > > forthcoming is "via mail we have a POBox" with no pointers to where > that PO > > Box might be. >We're fallable, especially as I was up 'till 02:00 this morning working >on PLUG stuff (and I wasn't alone there were 4 of us). That'd be why I >emailed you the membership form and POBox address not Ben. There was three cos one slunk off at 01:00 :-) Would you like me to make a PDF joining form ? It would take about 5 femtoseconds and we could put the mail address on there. Do you think you'll get heaps of paper spam with the pobox ? I might be wrong here but I assumed a snail mail address would not result in too much paper because stamps cost money :-) Our pobox is on the web and we're pretty unscathed in the junk mail dept. Tony, if you could send me what is required on the app form offlist; I can't remember what was on the form but gee fiddling with the ink stamper left a lot of grubby fingerprints around the edges :-) cu harry From skribe at amber.com.au Thu Jan 10 17:33:29 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:33:29 +0800 Subject: [plug] Plug membership drive? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02011017332901.09490@oberon.amber.com.au> On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:38, Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima wrote: > 2) I haven't really had the time to look at it. > As the sec./Treas. I kinda figured that it was for me to do. I don't. Delegate. Have the final say for funding and design but get someone else to do the dirty work. I'm willing to design and get some printing quotes. I can't do the leg work for the discounts but I'm sure there are enough members who'll take one step forward and start hassling people for discounts once we've got a card. I'm right aren't I PLUGgers? Right? Right? =). > I also agree with skribe that once we get the Logo done t-Shirts are a good > idea. The couple of times they've come up, people have been keen on a PLUG > shirt. I can't really see it costing us much more than $20.00 each to make I feel $25-30 would be more reasonable, particularly if they're colour. I think the CIA ones sold for $20 ten years ago. skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 "In my opinion, Richard Stallman wouldn't recognise terrorism if it came up and bit him on his Internet." -- Ross M. Greenberg From bob at contact.omen.com.au Thu Jan 10 17:38:18 2002 From: bob at contact.omen.com.au (bob) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:38:18 +0800 Subject: [plug] Plug membership drive? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200201101736.3034445.6@contact.omen.com.au> On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:16, Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, bob wrote: > > A request is made for information on obtaining a membership and the only > > forthcoming is "via mail we have a POBox" with no pointers to where that > > PO Box might be. > > Please accept my apploogies. My logic was faulty. This is NOT supposed to > sound like a flame but it may it honnestly is not meant that way. > There is a link on the memberships page that says: > I replied to the list with "via mail we have a POBox" because I honnestly > didn't see Bens's email as a request to join. I read it as more of an > informational "what would I do if I live in ......". My apologies too. I can see where you were coming from with what you have posted now. > I don't make the PObox address available on the web (eith PLUG homepage ot > mailinglist) because I really don't want to deal with the spam. I did not find that part clear though. Perhaps mentioning something along the lines of " to a PO Box address which I can provide by email" would have been a little more ... erm... less inflaming :). > > Way to generate interest in joining guys! > > We're fallable, especially as I was up 'till 02:00 this morning working > on PLUG stuff (and I wasn't alone there were 4 of us). That'd be why I > emailed you the membership form and POBox address not Ben. Ok. ( Doh! now I feel like I'm being hyper sensitive :() > Ben, I'm not asking you to take sides, did I misread you're post ??? > > Yours Tony. Thanks for the explanation. Ok, cheque's in the mail. -- bob fingerprint = BBC8 A0BD 10DF CBF6 08C9 86AE 4672 2095 D705 90E9 From christian at amnet.net.au Thu Jan 10 17:28:59 2002 From: christian at amnet.net.au (Christian) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:28:59 +0800 Subject: [plug] MD5 convert In-Reply-To: ; from tony@cantech.net.au on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 09:36:31AM +0800 References: <20020110092020.A4751@eagle.amnet.net.au> Message-ID: <20020110172859.B15761@eagle.amnet.net.au> On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 09:36:31AM +0800, Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima wrote: > When you install you get asked if you want md5 support if you say "no" then > you don't get it. Makes sense to me. > What Brian was asking was > "Opps I said no! How do I now change that to yes?" Maybe it works like this now but it certainly never used to. What he actually asked was how to make it use the MD5 crypt() to hash passwords when doing checking if you haven't selected to create new passwords using this. He actually said that the hashes were already in existence. Given that the prefix of the hash identifies what sort of crypt() to apply, it shouldn't really matter for the purposes of authenticating what the system is configured to use for new passwords. It's pretty stupid if it doesn't work like this now since it means passwords hashed by different crypt() algorithms can't coexist on the same system. -- DSA 0x0EC1D28C: BBCB 0D79 4EBB 078A A066 7267 8BED E9D6 0EC1 D28C From skribe at amber.com.au Thu Jan 10 17:38:02 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:38:02 +0800 Subject: [plug] Plug membership drive? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020110093028.00a18e70@decisions-and-designs.com.au> References: <200201101657.1337708.6@contact.omen.com.au> <4.2.0.58.20020110093028.00a18e70@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <02011017380202.09490@oberon.amber.com.au> On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:38, Harry McNally wrote: > Would you like me to make a PDF joining form ? It would take about 5 > femtoseconds and we could put the mail address on there. Will you be using windows or linux? =). Once you're done we'll pop it on the web page. There is obviously a need for it. > Do you think you'll get heaps of paper spam with the pobox ? I might be > wrong here but I assumed a snail mail address would not result in too much > paper because stamps cost money :-) > > Our pobox is on the web and we're pretty unscathed in the junk mail dept. Same here. In fact the only spam I've received is from Australia Post and from local business leaflets. skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 Your digestive system is your body's Fun House, whereby food goes on a long, dark, scary ride, taking all kinds of unexpected twists and turns, being attacked by vicious secretions along the way, and not knowing until the last minute whether it will be turned into a useful body part or ejected into the Dark Hole by Mister Sphincter. We Americans live in a nation where the medical-care system is second to none in the world, unless you count maybe 25 or 30 little scuzzball countries like Scotland that we could vaporize in seconds if we felt like it. -- Dave Barry, "Stay Fit & Healthy Until You're Dead" From r.steicke at bom.gov.au Thu Jan 10 17:44:25 2002 From: r.steicke at bom.gov.au (Russell Steicke) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:44:25 +0800 Subject: [plug] Copying a directory tree without the files In-Reply-To: <20020109155544.GC18230@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <000001c19923$1e862f20$4c00a8c0@eeyore> <20020109155544.GC18230@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20020110174425.M24816@postoffice.wa.bom.gov.au> On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 11:55:45PM +0800, James Bromberger wrote: > On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 11:45:56PM +0800, Matt Kemner wrote: > > > b) copy the tree (minus the files) to a template location. > > for X in `find /source_dir -type d` > > do > > mkdir /target_dir/$X > > done > > cd /source_dir; find . -type d -exec mkdir /dest_dir/{} \; Safer and quicker: $ cd /target $ ( cd /source && find . -type d -print0 ) | xargs -0 mkdir -p Handles directory names with spaces and newlines etc in their names, and doesn't exec mkdir for every name. -- Russell Steicke -- Fortune says: Every cloud engenders not a storm. -- William Shakespeare, "Henry VI" From apolglaze at book-keepingnetwork.com.au Thu Jan 10 17:54:10 2002 From: apolglaze at book-keepingnetwork.com.au (Alex Polglaze) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:54:10 +0800 Subject: [plug] Plug membership drive? References: <200201101657.1337708.6@contact.omen.com.au> <4.2.0.58.20020110093028.00a18e70@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <3C3D64C2.F78F8D45@book-keepingnetwork.com.au> If people join PLUG surely it is for the computer side of things, not cheap movie tickets. If somebody joins for cheap movies, do we really want them, apart from their money, on the list? The problem we have is that anything that is free is worthless in the eyes of the receiver. If we make the library only open to members, then membership has a perceived benefit. As a corollary, if everything is available to everybody regardless of membership status, then why bother to pay in the first place. The benefits of membership must relate directly to the organisation if the group is to prosper and be able to provide more benefits in the future. My thoughts anyway, Alex Polglaze From gherardi at cs.curtin.edu.au Thu Jan 10 18:08:32 2002 From: gherardi at cs.curtin.edu.au (Carl Gherardi) Date: 10 Jan 2002 18:08:32 +0800 Subject: [plug] editor In-Reply-To: <20020110165257.A25478@chef.flooble.net.au> References: <200201100131.g0A1V4r10588@mail23.bigmailbox.com> <20020110165257.A25478@chef.flooble.net.au> Message-ID: <1010657312.1843.5.camel@carlos> Slightly off topic but does anyone have a good ".vimrc programming" reference site bookmarked? Carl From cottmain at yahoo.com.au Thu Jan 10 18:26:16 2002 From: cottmain at yahoo.com.au (Daniel) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:26:16 +0800 Subject: [plug] e-mail route explanation pls - MDA, MTA, MUA, MSA(?)... ? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020110080239.00a18240@decisions-and-designs.com .au> References: <4.2.0.58.20020110074947.00a18950@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020110171431.02944008@144.135.24.13> Hi Plug, OK I'm showing my ignorance rather than sit in silence: I don't understand the full route of e-mail going through a system. Can anyone who has time help me a bit or point me in the right direction please? (I'm keen to set up a fully blown anti-spam script like those below - more detail if I ever get there). My Hypothesis on How it works (for someone setting up a full system on a linux box to drag mail down from an isp and be able to filter it) is as follows: Fetchmail goes and gets the mail [Not a mail delivery agent, but a remote-mail retrieval and forwarding utility - the best and the only one from what I can see) Postfix [Mail Transfer Agent] (aka E-Mail Server?). (I'm told that Procmail below could do it on its own, but an MTA gives better error checking.) Procmail [local Mail Delivery Agent] can be made use of by Postfix to do local mail delivery. Procmail does any filtering required - many scripts for fighting spam work are designed for Procmail. Kmail [Mail User Agent] lets the user read the mail etc. (have I got the right order that the mail would travel through from start to finish?) and the solution I like most from the little I know: Fetchmail Courier IMAP (which comes with Maildrop and uses Maildir) Maildrop (has standard .forward like Sendmail so mail can be passed through something like Active Spam Killer ) Evolution [MUA] Thanks - any help in getting my brain around this is greatly appreciated. Daniel. PS I have read things like (in the unlikely event there is anyone out there who is floundering like me: http://www.windowatch.com/2001/november/linuxmail7_10.html http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=1196&mode=thread&order=0) From skribe at amber.com.au Thu Jan 10 18:19:14 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:19:14 +0800 Subject: [plug] Plug membership drive? In-Reply-To: <3C3D64C2.F78F8D45@book-keepingnetwork.com.au> References: <200201101657.1337708.6@contact.omen.com.au> <4.2.0.58.20020110093028.00a18e70@decisions-and-designs.com.au> <3C3D64C2.F78F8D45@book-keepingnetwork.com.au> Message-ID: <02011018191404.09490@oberon.amber.com.au> On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:54, Alex Polglaze wrote: > If somebody joins for cheap movies, do we really want them, apart from > their money, on the list? For starters the list is free. I personally feel it should always stay that way. We're talking about PLUG paid membership which is different. And it is not just about discounts. It's about what the marketing droids refer to as value adding. In other words, trying to appeal to a broader demographic by offering more bang for the buck. What if I don't need another email address or access to the library? Why should I fork up $10 for something I don't get any benefit from? If, on the other hand, membership gets me discounts at places where I shop, or reduced admission price to PLUG events or even a linux conference, then I'm more inclined to wanna hand over my dosh. Obviously, there are some that don't want/need any of that. That's cool. There are much a PLUGger as anyone (except perhaps Tony Lockett). But if they're going to fork over $10 I'd rather we give them (and me =) as many benefits as possible - particularly if they're easy to establish. > The problem we have is that anything that is free is worthless in the eyes > of the receiver. I received an entire operating system for free. I value it far more than any of the ones I had to pay hundreds for. skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 Snow-white! Snow-white! O Lady clear! O Queen beyond the Western Sea! O Light to us that wander here Amid the world of woven trees! Gilthoniel! O Elbereth! Clear are thy eyes and bright thy breath! Snow-white! Snow-white! We sing to thee In a far land beyond the Sea. O stars that in the Sunless Year With shining hand by her were sown, In windy fields now bright and clear We see you silver blossom blown! O Elbereth! Gilthoniel! We still remember, we who dwell In this far land beneath the trees, Thy starlight on the Western Seas. -- J. R. R. Tolkien From leon at lostrealm.com Thu Jan 10 18:41:56 2002 From: leon at lostrealm.com (Leon Blackwell) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:41:56 +0800 Subject: [plug] editor In-Reply-To: <20020109112053.08B533258E2@mail.old-firestation.net>; from leon@brooks.fdns.net on Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 07:20:07PM +0800 References: <200201090933.g099XNi26899@mail25.bigmailbox.com> <20020109174152.B31093@lostrealm.com> <20020109112053.08B533258E2@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: <20020110184156.B6125@lostrealm.com> On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 07:20:07PM +0800, Leon Brooks wrote: > A *lot* more information... we'll never fit that all on the mug, even if we > make it a keg! I really don't think you should call Wayne a mug :) -- Leon Blackwell | For every complex problem, there is a http://www.lostrealm.com/ | solution that is simple, neat, and jabber:Lionfire at lostrealm.com | wrong. | -- Henry Louis Mencken From wayne.vovil at ausi.com Thu Jan 10 18:44:16 2002 From: wayne.vovil at ausi.com (Wayne Vovil) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:44:16 -0800 Subject: [plug] editor Message-ID: <200201101044.g0AAiGE02593@mail21.bigmailbox.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From jacqueline at decisions-and-designs.com.au Thu Jan 10 19:47:03 2002 From: jacqueline at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Jacqueline McNally) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:47:03 +0800 Subject: [plug] T-Shirts and PLUGgers tasks was: Plug membership drive? In-Reply-To: References: <0201101402080P.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020110183718.00b27250@decisions-and-designs.com.au> On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, skribe wrote wrt membership cards: >Once we finalise a logo I'd also like to see t-shirts. Sure, it will >bring in some dosh to the club, but it will also mean I have something >that says, "PLUGger and proud of it." YMMV. [jacqueline] I have had some recent experience wrt T-shirts for another organisation and I can honestly say - not again :-P Hurdles: MOQ (financial commitment), sizes, agreeing on a style, agreeing on the artwork. If I was going to do this again I would look at places like: http://www.cafepress.com/ or find some place around town where you can take your artwork in and get it put on any sort of garment you like. I know that my step-dad has done this recently to make up T-shirts for a boating crew. This mob were somewhere in the hills. At 03:38 PM 01/10/2002, Tony wrote: >On several occaisions I've spoken to Chris at LSWA about a membership card. >He's keen on it. I'm keen on it. Not so much from a discount POV, I can't >really think of other benefits from it ..... Still keen on it tho. > >The main reasons it hasn't happend. > 1) No-one else was screaming for it. > 2) I haven't really had the time to look at it. > As the sec./Treas. I kinda figured that it was for me to do. > 3) Logo or Lack there of. > 4) There's always been "bigger-n-better" things to do: > a) sort out the membership database ... WIP > b) library > c) installfests ... yes plural > ... the list really just goes on. [jacqueline] Probably not a good idea to describe the Treasurer/Secretary job description as such, unless you really do like it really. But I agree with scribe, delegate ... Perhaps if you were to complete your Treasure/Secretary to do list then some other paid up member may say "I can do that". Then said member has the opportunity to knock some items off the list - perhaps starting with the ones that you don't like ;-P All the best Jacqueline http://mc2.vicnet.net.au/users/zenryaku/ From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Thu Jan 10 20:20:39 2002 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:20:39 +0000 Subject: [plug] All your base Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020110114443.0099d250@decisions-and-designs.com.au> ladies and gentlemen at approximately 1845 hours this evening, Tux covertly infiltrated the libraries of south perth and victoria park and is now poised to discriminately fling himself into the hand of unsuspecting computer users. overwhelmed with the operation's success, Tux has now also occupied a space at 'pizza with attitude' in kensington (a purveyor of fine sustenance for the computing enthusiast). message ends ------------ In fact, the librarians were really helpful and interested in Linux and what PLUG is doing. And alongside the sepia excuses for informational pamphlets, 'Tera Yellow' Tux is as _bright_ as. The chat with the people at pizza with attitude was a spur of the moment thing, because I know the people pretty well (too well) but I'm wondering if pizza emporiums might be a potential hotbed of computing rebellion (with or without garlic bread). Just a thought. I'd be interested in how people get on if they drop Tux off at their local library. http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~decdes/member.pdf Have fun Harry From jacqueline at decisions-and-designs.com.au Thu Jan 10 20:47:32 2002 From: jacqueline at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Jacqueline McNally) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:47:32 +0800 Subject: [plug] discounts and sponsors was: plug membership drive? Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020110204723.00afbb70@decisions-and-designs.com.au> At 03:07 PM 01/10/2002, Leo wrote: >On Thursday 10 January 2002 14:36, Jacqueline McNally wrote: > > Similarly, for the Cottage Gardener's Circle. I was the membership > > secretary for 3 years and the looking after the sponsors task was under the > > auspices of the membership secretary as the sponsors were provided with a > > complimentary membership for the year ($12). > >It's always nice to see people volunteering like this! (-: > >Cheers; Leon [jacqueline] 1. Awareness 2. Advocacy 3. Action. I think we are still somewhere between step 1 and step 2. :) Having said that At 05:33 PM 01/10/2002, skribe wrote: >I can't do the leg work for the discounts but I'm sure there are enough >members who'll take one step forward and start hassling people for >discounts once we've got a card. I'm right aren't I PLUGgers? Right? >Right? =). [jacqueline] May I suggest that we channel this enthusiasm into a more coordinated approach. Particularly if there are common interests and we are likely to be hassling and badgering the same shop or group. Also, as I said in a previous email, contacting people for discounts related to Linux, computers and the Internet is a foot in the door for potential sponsorship if and when required for the linuxconf2003. [jacqueline] PLUG probably needs to establish a relationship with potential sponsors and maintain the list and keep in regular contact with the people offering the discount. This is so that we can avoid such things as members requesting a discount, and the merchant declining for whatever reason. I would be happy to do this for PLUG, i.e. coordinate PLUGgers "hassling", exchange letters with merchants and maintain the list. Just like we have agonised over what members get for their $10 membership fee, sponsors are going to want to know what's in it for them. Let me know what you think. All the best Jacqueline http://mc2.vicnet.net.au/users/zenryaku/ From leon at brooks.fdns.net Thu Jan 10 21:04:28 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:04:28 +0800 Subject: [plug] Plug membership drive? Mountain Designs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020110130526.EB05C3258FB@mail.old-firestation.net> On Thursday 10 January 2002 15:36, Jonathon Bates wrote: >> Many shops such as bike shops and outdoor/camping shops will give 10% off >> just for asking, and lots of clubs have that 'arrangement' for members. > On that note, I konw a lot of geeks who are the outdoorsy none > stereotypical "geeks". I wonder if it would be possible to perhaps talk to > such places (Mountain Designs and so forth) about discounts for clubs. Mountain Designs in Claremont would just about go to bed with you toi get more customers. The centre they're in conspires to keep them unadvertised and easy to overlook. Should I ask them? Cheers; Leon From michael.j.hunt at usa.net Thu Jan 10 21:57:08 2002 From: michael.j.hunt at usa.net (Michael Hunt) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:57:08 +0800 Subject: [plug] All your base In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020110114443.0099d250@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: > The chat with the people at pizza with attitude was a spur of the moment > thing, because I know the people pretty well (too well) but I'm wondering > if pizza emporiums might be a potential hotbed of computing > rebellion (with > or without garlic bread). Just a thought. > > I'd be interested in how people get on if they drop Tux off at > their local > library. > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~decdes/member.pdf > > Have fun > Harry Are they running there POS equipment on Linux ??? Maybe we can do a plug meet there with an emphasis on Linux POS solutions (can we implement something for them for all the pizza the PLUG implementation team can eat in three hours ??? Then they can provide us with free pizza for LCA 2003 and give us a usable demonstration of the good work PLUG does in its own backyard !!!! How many coffees have I drunk tonite !!!! Michael Hunt From leon at brooks.fdns.net Thu Jan 10 22:11:35 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:11:35 +0800 Subject: [plug] All your base In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020110141233.CC31D3258FB@mail.old-firestation.net> On Thursday 10 January 2002 21:57, Michael Hunt wrote: > Are they running there POS equipment on Linux ??? Maybe we can do a plug > meet there with an emphasis on Linux POS solutions (can we implement > something for them for all the pizza the PLUG implementation team can eat > in three hours ??? You badly need to get Rack, Shack and Benny (from the VeggieTales video series) and watch it. (-: Actually, that video also illustrates Linux's progress in an interesting way. Cheers; Leon From skribe at amber.com.au Thu Jan 10 22:13:12 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:13:12 +0800 Subject: [plug] discounts and sponsors was: plug membership drive? In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020110204723.00afbb70@decisions-and-designs.com.au> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020110204723.00afbb70@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <02011022131207.09490@oberon.amber.com.au> On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:47, Jacqueline McNally wrote: > [jacqueline] May I suggest that we channel this enthusiasm into a more > coordinated approach. Ever tried herding cats? =) >Particularly if there are common interests and we are > likely to be hassling and badgering the same shop or group. Also, as I said > in a previous email, contacting people for discounts related to Linux, > computers and the Internet is a foot in the door for potential sponsorship > if and when required for the linuxconf2003. Evidently I phrased my comment badly. I meant that I was hopeful that a few people would volunteer and then we could arrange hunting grounds for them. Thanks for picking that up. skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 My darling wife was always glum. I drowned her in a cask of rum, And so made sure that she would stay In better spirits night and day. From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Thu Jan 10 22:22:03 2002 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:22:03 +0000 Subject: [OT] pizza was RE: [plug] All your base In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20020110114443.0099d250@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020110141042.009d0a70@decisions-and-designs.com.au> At 01:57 10/01/02 , you wrote: > > The chat with the people at pizza with attitude was a spur of the moment > > thing, because I know the people pretty well (too well) but I'm wondering > > if pizza emporiums might be a potential hotbed of computing > > rebellion (with > > or without garlic bread). Just a thought. > > > > I'd be interested in how people get on if they drop Tux off at > > their local > > library. > > > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~decdes/member.pdf > > > > Have fun > > Harry > >Are they running there POS equipment on Linux ??? Maybe we can do a plug >meet there with an emphasis on Linux POS solutions (can we implement >something for them for all the pizza the PLUG implementation team can eat in >three hours ??? > >Then they can provide us with free pizza for LCA 2003 and give us a usable >demonstration of the good work PLUG does in its own backyard !!!! > >How many coffees have I drunk tonite !!!! Hehehe. Good one. They are actually a small affair with a wood fired oven. The owner is a chef who wanted to get out of work in large restaurants and run his own show so the pizzas are pretty extraordinary. They have a few small tables too. So no POS .. oh maybe there is .. I always pay cash. I thought about conf2003 too but unless we shared out the load to about 10 gourmet wood fired places I think they'd struggle to deliver :-) Be aware too, the pizzas are not your budget two for one, bottle of coke and garlic bread variety. Hmmmm. Sorry if this is sounding like a free plug on plug. He's my local and I'm a regular. see you Harry From skribe at amber.com.au Thu Jan 10 22:26:07 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:26:07 +0800 Subject: [plug] T-Shirts and PLUGgers tasks was: Plug membership drive? In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020110183718.00b27250@decisions-and-designs.com.au> References: <0201101402080P.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20020110183718.00b27250@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <02011022260708.09490@oberon.amber.com.au> On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:47, Jacqueline McNally wrote: > [jacqueline] I have had some recent experience wrt T-shirts for another > organisation and I can honestly say - not again :-P Hurdles: MOQ (financial > commitment), sizes, agreeing on a style, agreeing on the artwork. You gave people a choice? I think I see the problem =). What we've done in the past (for the CIA and Swancon) was establish a design (usually one person responsible for multiple options and then have the committee choose the best design(s)), and then print off a number we think we can sell (say 20). We initially take a financial hit but we've always come out on top and sold every shirt we've printed. Cafepress does look very interesting tho and worth investigating as an option. skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 I'm going to raise an issue and stick it in your ear. -- John Foreman From michael.j.hunt at usa.net Thu Jan 10 22:27:14 2002 From: michael.j.hunt at usa.net (Michael Hunt) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:27:14 +0800 Subject: [OT] pizza was RE: [plug] All your base In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020110141042.009d0a70@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: > >How many coffees have I drunk tonite !!!! > > Hehehe. Good one. > > They are actually a small affair with a wood fired oven. The owner is a > chef who wanted to get out of work in large restaurants and run his own > show so the pizzas are pretty extraordinary. They have a few > small tables too. > > So no POS .. oh maybe there is .. I always pay cash. I thought about > conf2003 too but unless we shared out the load to about 10 gourmet wood > fired places I think they'd struggle to deliver :-) > > Be aware too, the pizzas are not your budget two for one, bottle of coke > and garlic bread variety. > > Hmmmm. Sorry if this is sounding like a free plug on plug. He's my local > and I'm a regular. > > see you > Harry No regular is good. Do they have a light/low fat pizza too ??? It is nice to see someone making pizza the traditional way. People seem to think that the Americans invented pizza. Michael Hunt From michael.j.hunt at usa.net Thu Jan 10 22:27:15 2002 From: michael.j.hunt at usa.net (Michael Hunt) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:27:15 +0800 Subject: [plug] All your base In-Reply-To: <20020110141233.CC31D3258FB@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: > You badly need to get Rack, Shack and Benny (from the VeggieTales video > series) and watch it. (-: > > Actually, that video also illustrates Linux's progress in an > interesting way. > > Cheers; Leon I'll have to borrow it of you sometime as I haven't seen that one. Some friends of mine buy the veggie tales videos for there kids all the time and I used to watch it with them all the time whenever they got a new one. Unfortunately they have now moved to Kunnaraua so popping around and watching a video just got a bit harder. When I was in Africa we used to have veggie tale nights and sit and watch all the videos that people brought with them. In our house now whenever I say the magic words "Of where is my hair brush" the whole house erupts in to a spontaneous rendition of Larry's famous words !!! Michael Hunt From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Thu Jan 10 22:36:13 2002 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:36:13 +0000 Subject: [plug] Disk partitioning Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020110142826.009c49d0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Is there anyone still beavering (yes I know Leon and scribe are out there) that can tell me if I've done a bad, bad thing. I've got a new 60 giggle bite drive for a new Linux only box that has a swap partition and a TheRest huge partition. Should I have fractured this to multiple partitions for 1. safety, 2. management, 3. so I don't have to stare at a bad block read check for a very long time ? Is there a better plan ? Will this question invoke the DiskPartitioningEvangalism flame wars ? Noting also that this is a personal workstation and not a server for all and sundry ? cu Harry From skribe at amber.com.au Thu Jan 10 22:30:12 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:30:12 +0800 Subject: [OT] pizza was RE: [plug] All your base In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02011022301209.09490@oberon.amber.com.au> On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:27, Michael Hunt wrote: > It is nice to see someone making pizza the traditional way. People seem to > think that the Americans invented pizza. There are quite a few places that do it traditional. There are two places within walking distance of my place (South Perth) that do good traditional wood fired oven pizzas. skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 How many QA engineers does it take to screw in a lightbulb? 3: 1 to screw it in and 2 to say "I told you so" when it doesn't work. From batesy at batesy.net Thu Jan 10 22:32:06 2002 From: batesy at batesy.net (Jonathon Bates) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:32:06 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] Disk partitioning In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020110142826.009c49d0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: > Is there anyone still beavering (yes I know Leon and scribe are out there) > that can tell me if I've done a bad, bad thing. I've got a new 60 giggle > bite drive for a new Linux only box that has a swap partition and a TheRest > huge partition. Should I have fractured this to multiple partitions for > > 1. safety, > 2. management, > 3. so I don't have to stare at a bad block read check for a very long time ? I have always believed that if you have a large drive, that you partition it down to a more managable size. And I do believe there are some exploits with large drives being unparitioned. So I would suggest having / /tmp /home /var on different partitions. Cheers Batesy From batesy at batesy.net Thu Jan 10 22:33:28 2002 From: batesy at batesy.net (Jonathon Bates) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:33:28 +0800 (WST) Subject: [OT] pizza was RE: [plug] All your base In-Reply-To: <02011022301209.09490@oberon.amber.com.au> Message-ID: > There are quite a few places that do it traditional. There are two places > within walking distance of my place (South Perth) that do good traditional > wood fired oven pizzas. Then you also have Chelsea (nice but I would sell my soul to satan before going there), Pizza Belaroma(sp) in Freeo (to greazy IMHO). And I know of a few more but can't remember there names atm. Cheers batesy From fostware at iinet.net.au Thu Jan 10 22:34:10 2002 From: fostware at iinet.net.au (Craig Foster) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:34:10 +0800 Subject: [plug] T-Shirts and PLUGgers tasks was: Plug membership drive? In-Reply-To: <02011022260708.09490@oberon.amber.com.au> Message-ID: Shhhhh! I'll let CIA go, but mentioning SwanCon makes us looks like geeks! Craig Foster > -----Original Message----- > From: skribe [mailto:skribe at amber.com.au] > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2002 10:26 PM > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: Re: [plug] T-Shirts and PLUGgers tasks was: Plug membership > drive? > > What we've done in the past (for the CIA and Swancon) > was establish a design... > skribe > -- > Public key information available at: > http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html > Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD > 5A88 E8A4 > PS Before anyone gets too shirty, I was secretary for MARS in 93, so I'm not 'blameless' :P -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Should I have fractured this to multiple partitions for > > 1. safety, > 2. management, > 3. so I don't have to stare at a bad block read check for a very > long time ? > > Is there a better plan ? > Will this question invoke the DiskPartitioningEvangalism flame wars ? > Noting also that this is a personal workstation and not a server for all > and sundry ? > > cu > Harry At least install a journaling file system like ext3 or reiserFS. (My personal pref is for ext3). This will save you time on the bad block read check. Also keeping /home on a separate partition is a good idea and is a similar thing that I do in a windows enviro. (I have a C: partition for system and a D: partition for data). Essentially this allows you to blow away the system and still keep your data intact. (Something I have to do very infrequently with a Linux install). Otherwise everything else is up to you. Having a separate /boot partition can be handy. Michael Hunt From skribe at amber.com.au Thu Jan 10 22:45:31 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:45:31 +0800 Subject: [plug] T-Shirts and PLUGgers tasks was: Plug membership drive? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0201102245310A.09490@oberon.amber.com.au> On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:34, Craig Foster wrote: > Shhhhh! I'll let CIA go, Heh. I was one of the founders. Don't let me off that easily =). > but mentioning SwanCon makes us looks like geeks! Bar a few exceptions Swancon really has their shit together. They generally know how to organise a damn good con and keep the organisation thing passing from one generation to another. That's hard. > PS Before anyone gets too shirty, I was secretary for MARS in 93, so I'm > not 'blameless' :P I gave up cons and the like in 95. After running a couple it just wasn't fun any more. skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 When does summertime come to Minnesota, you ask? Well, last year, I think it was a Tuesday. From Adrian at Diskworld.com.au Thu Jan 10 22:48:30 2002 From: Adrian at Diskworld.com.au (Adrian Woodley) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:48:30 +0800 Subject: [plug] Disk partitioning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > So I would suggest having / /tmp /home /var on different partitions. > I also like a /usr and a /usr/src and /usr/local (if you like custom packages). Also, if you intend to burn CDs I'd recomend a /tempcd for the image and a /tempfs for arranging the filesystem before making it an iso image. Both these should be about 600 - 800meg. My partitions also include such odd-ball things and /music and /temp, the latter because you never know when you need a spare segrigated 1gig :) A /boot of about 10meg is also handy. With such a large drive you might like to install a simple, stable system using a gig or so to recover the system when you fiddle with things you shouldn't as I oftern do :) Cheers, Adrian > Cheers > Batesy > From james at rcpt.to Thu Jan 10 22:46:34 2002 From: james at rcpt.to (James Bromberger) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:46:34 +0800 Subject: [plug] Disk partitioning In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20020110142826.009c49d0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <20020110144633.GA26188@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 10:32:06PM +0800, Jonathon Bates wrote: > > 1. safety, > > 2. management, > > 3. so I don't have to stare at a bad block read check for a very long time ? > I have always believed that if you have a large drive, that you partition > it down to a more managable size. And I do believe there are some > exploits with large drives being unparitioned. > So I would suggest having / /tmp /home /var on different partitions. There are lots of games you can play here, and it really depends on what the machine is to be used for. If it's just your own machine, with no other users, no direct inbound traffic from the Net, then you can probably just do one big one now days. My teachings were for paritioning to protect the system from the users and the outside world: * /home on one parition - if the users fill this up, then the user have a problem, and everything else is fine * /var on another, since this is variable data, such as mail spools and log files, and can grow quite big over time and due to inbound and outbound data. * /usr on another - since this is your installed programs, it can be mounted read-only to protect from unwanted messing with. * /boot - not needed now, but used to have to be there for old lilo so the image was in the first 1024 blocks or so of the disk. Nowdays you can play with LVM too: Logical Volume managment, similar to Veritas in some respects, if you have heard of that name. LVM lets you soft partition the disk, and so long as the filesystem you have on each soft parition can be resized, you can rearrange as you like on the fly. IMHO, LVM and RAID have a bit further to go in getting things right before I recommend it to anyone. I tried these two in combination with 2.4.8 some time back, but it was "non-trivial" at the time (I was also incorporating reiserfs and devfs too; I posted about this back at the time). Perhaps more recent kernels are neater - I have been scanning changelogs and see comments such as "RAID cleanup", "LVM tidy"... *shrug* Anyway, you can always define something like a "space" parition for large disk areas, mount it as /space, and then use symbolic links from anywhere else on your file system into /space (or under 2.4, take advantage of the multiple mounts feature, but this may be more pain than gain, YMMV). For my last large disk, I defined /usr/local/fileshare, being the main Samba (happy birthday Samba, 10 y.o.) share (62 GB RAID 1). James -- James Bromberger www.james.rcpt.to Australian Debian Conference: http://www.linux.org.au/conf/debiancon.html Remainder moved to http://www.james.rcpt.to/james/sig.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From brian at paradigmit.com.au Fri Jan 11 01:02:18 2002 From: brian at paradigmit.com.au (Brian Tombleson) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 01:02:18 +0800 Subject: [plug] MD5 convert References: <20020110092020.A4751@eagle.amnet.net.au> <20020110172859.B15761@eagle.amnet.net.au> Message-ID: <022101c199f8$8fca8d40$6400a8c0@brian> From: "Christian" > On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 09:36:31AM +0800, Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima wrote: > > What Brian was asking was > > "Opps I said no! How do I now change that to yes?" > Maybe it works like this now but it certainly never used to. What he > actually asked was how to make it use the MD5 crypt() to hash passwords > when doing checking if you haven't selected to create new passwords > using this. He actually said that the hashes were already in existence. > Given that the prefix of the hash identifies what sort of crypt() to > apply, it shouldn't really matter for the purposes of authenticating > what the system is configured to use for new passwords. It's pretty > stupid if it doesn't work like this now since it means passwords hashed > by different crypt() algorithms can't coexist on the same system. Sorry Christian, but I can't comment on the internal workings, but I'll explain a bit more if it will help. I had a RH6.2 box with 1500 users on it created with the MD5 hash Hard drive crashed. The guy on-site installed a new HDD with Debian but didn't choose "Use MD5 Passwords" at the install prompt. Scripted an iterative "adduser" for all of the names in a backup of the original /etc/passwd file and grab the pre-encrypted passwords from the corresponding backup of /etc/shadow. <- At this stage, I didn't know "the system" wasn't using MD5. None of the new users authenticated. <- now I knew. Appended "md5" to the password line in /etc/pam.d/login All users (new and the few old) authenticate correctly. Hope this clears things up :-) - Brian. From billk at iinet.net.au Fri Jan 11 06:21:46 2002 From: billk at iinet.net.au (Bill Kenworthy) Date: 11 Jan 2002 06:21:46 +0800 Subject: [OT] pizza was RE: [plug] All your base In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1010701306.9187.0.camel@rattus.Localdomain> you mean they didnt? BillK On Thu, 2002-01-10 at 22:27, Michael Hunt wrote: > ... > > It is nice to see someone making pizza the traditional way. People seem to > think that the Americans invented pizza. > > Michael Hunt > > > From Patrick at perthix.net Fri Jan 11 08:08:41 2002 From: Patrick at perthix.net (Patrick Tehvand) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:08:41 +0800 Subject: [plug] All your base Message-ID: <13773DCBF9C83747AFB854C5C21E0761258863@wombat.perthix.net> Leon, I thought I was the only one who had those videos.... -----Original Message----- From: Leon Brooks [mailto:leon at brooks.fdns.net] Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2002 10:12 PM To: plug at plug.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [plug] All your base On Thursday 10 January 2002 21:57, Michael Hunt wrote: > Are they running there POS equipment on Linux ??? Maybe we can do a plug > meet there with an emphasis on Linux POS solutions (can we implement > something for them for all the pizza the PLUG implementation team can eat > in three hours ??? You badly need to get Rack, Shack and Benny (from the VeggieTales video series) and watch it. (-: Actually, that video also illustrates Linux's progress in an interesting way. Cheers; Leon From christian at amnet.net.au Fri Jan 11 09:02:42 2002 From: christian at amnet.net.au (Christian) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:02:42 +0800 Subject: [plug] MD5 convert In-Reply-To: <022101c199f8$8fca8d40$6400a8c0@brian>; from brian@paradigmit.com.au on Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 01:02:18AM +0800 References: <20020110092020.A4751@eagle.amnet.net.au> <20020110172859.B15761@eagle.amnet.net.au> <022101c199f8$8fca8d40$6400a8c0@brian> Message-ID: <20020111090242.A28407@eagle.amnet.net.au> On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 01:02:18AM +0800, Brian Tombleson wrote: > I had a RH6.2 box with 1500 users on it created with the MD5 hash > Hard drive crashed. > The guy on-site installed a new HDD with Debian but didn't choose "Use MD5 > Passwords" at the install prompt. > Scripted an iterative "adduser" for all of the names in a backup of the > original /etc/passwd file and grab the pre-encrypted passwords from the > corresponding backup of /etc/shadow. <- At this stage, I didn't know "the > system" wasn't using MD5. So you basically copied the old shadow file across? > None of the new users authenticated. <- now I knew. That's odd, or at least a little disappointing if Linux has actually gone backwards in this. -- DSA 0x0EC1D28C: BBCB 0D79 4EBB 078A A066 7267 8BED E9D6 0EC1 D28C From brian at paradigmit.com.au Fri Jan 11 09:43:52 2002 From: brian at paradigmit.com.au (Brian Tombleson) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:43:52 +0800 Subject: [plug] MD5 convert References: <20020110092020.A4751@eagle.amnet.net.au> <20020110172859.B15761@eagle.amnet.net.au> <022101c199f8$8fca8d40$6400a8c0@brian> <20020111090242.A28407@eagle.amnet.net.au> Message-ID: <029101c19a41$6c518c80$6400a8c0@brian> From: "Christian" > So you basically copied the old shadow file across? Yep, although since I didn't know if I could get away with just a copy of the files, I used the system adduser script to ensure all the [ug]id's matched up and didn't disrupt the ones already in. But since you can pass an encrypted password straight to adduser, essentially all the users has the same encrypted string they had previously. > > None of the new users authenticated. <- now I knew. > > That's odd, or at least a little disappointing if Linux has actually gone > backwards in this. Err .. I *suspect* that without the config that I added, the login daemon simply won't believe that a password is in MD5, even though the leader in the hash string says it is. *shrug* We should've avoided the situation in the first place - which is what we're preparing for now :-) - Brian. From wayne.vovil at ausi.com Fri Jan 11 10:07:25 2002 From: wayne.vovil at ausi.com (Wayne Vovil) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:07:25 -0800 Subject: [plug] T-Shirts and PLUGgers tasks was: Plug membership drive? Message-ID: <200201110207.g0B27Pc13301@mail7.bigmailbox.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From skribe at amber.com.au Fri Jan 11 10:58:26 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:58:26 +0800 Subject: [plug] Schoolforge Message-ID: <02011110582600.12733@oberon.amber.com.au> Is this something that PLUG could contribute to? Summary: Schoolforge's mission is to unify independent organizations that advocate, use, and develop open resources for primary and secondary education. http://www.schoolforge.net skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 If people concentrated on the really important things in life, there'd be a shortage of fishing poles. -- Doug Larson From T.Phillips at murdoch.edu.au Fri Jan 11 11:25:08 2002 From: T.Phillips at murdoch.edu.au (Trevor Phillips) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:25:08 +0800 Subject: [plug] PLUG Logo References: <02010816460100.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> <20020108095359.B49303256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> <02010818091103.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> <3C3B1698.8DE1A4FF@bizzpro.com.au> Message-ID: <3C3E5B14.3000602@murdoch.edu.au> Clinton Butler wrote: > I had a bit of an idea seeing this on the topic. Another idea: How 'bout the usual Tux image, but wearing a plushie Spark Plug costume? ^_^ (I was originally thinking Black Swan costume, but the consensus seems to be to run with the Plug theme...) -- . Trevor Phillips - http://jurai.murdoch.edu.au/ . : CWIS Systems Administrator - T.Phillips at murdoch.edu.au : | IT Services - Murdoch University | >--------------------------------------------------------------------< | On nights such as this, evil deeds are done. And good deeds, of / | course. But mostly evil, on the whole. / \ -- (Terry Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters) / From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Fri Jan 11 11:50:25 2002 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 03:50:25 +0000 Subject: [plug] PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: <3C3E5B14.3000602@murdoch.edu.au> References: <02010816460100.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> <20020108095359.B49303256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> <02010818091103.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> <3C3B1698.8DE1A4FF@bizzpro.com.au> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020111034117.009c3a90@decisions-and-designs.com.au> At 03:25 11/01/02 , you wrote: >Clinton Butler wrote: > >>I had a bit of an idea seeing this on the topic. > >Another idea: >How 'bout the usual Tux image, but wearing a plushie Spark Plug costume? ^_^ > >(I was originally thinking Black Swan costume, but the consensus seems to >be to run with the Plug theme...) Hahahahaha On the swan theme you've just evoked a funny image of Tux dressed in black tail fathers like those emu outfits ppl wear. The little yellow feet out below would look pretty silly (which is my point :) but he'd have to be holding a curved stick for a graceful neck and head and trying to convince us he's a swan :-) Perhaps we need logo's to suit every occasion from formal (Tux in top hat ?) to funny :-) cu harry From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Fri Jan 11 11:54:00 2002 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 03:54:00 +0000 Subject: [plug] Disk partitioning In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020110142826.009c49d0@decisions-and-designs.com .au> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020111033046.009bdac0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Thanks to everyone for the advice on partitions. Using these clues I read further and found individual needs was the main factor and repartitioning is likely because hindsight tells you what you really needed :-) One question tho' .. if I intend to use Wine for some emulation, is their merit in having a FAT32 partition for doze programs that I'm using. I thought their was some advice on the list to try storing files for doze programs in your FAT32 space so they don't get confused. This machine will be DozeFree(tm) but I could have a FAT32 if this is a useful thing to have. Is this useful ? All the best Harry From brian at paradigmit.com.au Fri Jan 11 11:48:00 2002 From: brian at paradigmit.com.au (Brian Tombleson) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:48:00 +0800 Subject: [plug] Disk partitioning References: <4.2.0.58.20020111033046.009bdac0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <02f601c19a52$c3b9e420$6400a8c0@brian> From: "Harry McNally" > This machine will be DozeFree(tm) but I could have a FAT32 if this is a > useful thing to have. Is this useful ? My 2c : I find FAT32 a 'safe' option for data storage (if you're doing any data storage), because it is at least readable by most OS's ie, if things go Real Bad(tm), you can at least stick it in your mate's M$ workstation and get data off it. Other than that there are no benefits that I can think of. - Brian. From gilksjm at iinet.net.au Fri Jan 11 13:07:23 2002 From: gilksjm at iinet.net.au (J Michael Gilks) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:07:23 +0800 Subject: [plug] HTTP return header? Message-ID: <20020111050503.189127DB0@spark.plug.linux.org.au> I am writing a site for Mater Dei College and on the login page I need to validate entries on the form before submitting it to the database. Using the onSubmit method of the form I check entries and if they are missing setfocus to that entry then return false. This should stop the submit process, but it doesn't. I get my error message box come up and then the form submits anyway. What I would like to do is include a header on the action page to redirect back to the login page, with the information intact, if this error occurs. I am using Quanta as an IDE, with PHP scripting on an Apache server. I am sure there is an appropriate header as every browser has a back button which works. I just can't find a reference. Can anyone help please. Love Mike. From locutus at borg.apana.org.au Fri Jan 11 13:10:07 2002 From: locutus at borg.apana.org.au (John Breen) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:10:07 +0800 Subject: [plug] HTTP return header? In-Reply-To: <20020111050503.189127DB0@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020111130739.00b4c798@mail> I had a similar issue with some PHP development recently. The way I got around it was to put a hidden field on the form, then check the value of the hidden field to determine what processing to do. If your script then finds that the form data are invalid, change the value of the hidden field and resubmit the form. If it's valid, accept the data and load the new page. Why not do your processing in PHP? Regards, John Breen At 01:07 PM 11/01/2002, you wrote: >I am writing a site for Mater Dei College and on the login page I need to >validate entries on the form before submitting it to the database. Using the >onSubmit method of the form I check entries and if they are missing setfocus >to that entry then return false. This should stop the submit process, but it >doesn't. I get my error message box come up and then the form submits anyway. >What I would like to do is include a header on the action page to redirect >back to the login page, with the information intact, if this error occurs. >I am using Quanta as an IDE, with PHP scripting on an Apache server. >I am sure there is an appropriate header as every browser has a back button >which works. I just can't find a reference. >Can anyone help please. >Love >Mike. > > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release Date: 2/01/2002 -------------- next part -------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release Date: 2/01/2002 From tony at cantech.net.au Fri Jan 11 13:15:47 2002 From: tony at cantech.net.au (Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:15:47 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] HTTP return header? In-Reply-To: <20020111050503.189127DB0@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, J Michael Gilks wrote: > I am writing a site for Mater Dei College and on the login page I need to > validate entries on the form before submitting it to the database. Using the > onSubmit method of the form I check entries and if they are missing setfocus > to that entry then return false. This should stop the submit process, but it > doesn't. I get my error message box come up and then the form submits anyway. > What I would like to do is include a header on the action page to redirect > back to the login page, with the information intact, if this error occurs. > I am using Quanta as an IDE, with PHP scripting on an Apache server. > I am sure there is an appropriate header as every browser has a back button > which works. I just can't find a reference. > Can anyone help please. I think you create a form with NO submitt button. You then create a button where the onClick event is what you currently have coded as onSubmit. The on difference is that if the are NO errors for do "form.sumbit" Now I'm certainly NOT a webdeveloper BUT given my limited knowledge I think that should work. Yours Tony. /* * "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the * same level of thinking we were at when we created them." * --Albert Einstein */ From steveg at calm.wa.gov.au Fri Jan 11 13:19:19 2002 From: steveg at calm.wa.gov.au (Steve Grasso) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:19:19 +0800 Subject: [plug] HTTP return header? In-Reply-To: <20020111050503.189127DB0@spark.plug.linux.org.au> References: <20020111050503.189127DB0@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Message-ID: <02011113191900.00479@202.1.30.40> Back will do it from a link. Regards, Steve On Friday 11 January 2002 13:07, J Michael Gilks wrote: > I am writing a site for Mater Dei College and on the login page I need to > validate entries on the form before submitting it to the database. Using > the onSubmit method of the form I check entries and if they are missing > setfocus to that entry then return false. This should stop the submit > process, but it doesn't. I get my error message box come up and then the > form submits anyway. What I would like to do is include a header on the > action page to redirect back to the login page, with the information > intact, if this error occurs. I am using Quanta as an IDE, with PHP > scripting on an Apache server. I am sure there is an appropriate header as > every browser has a back button which works. I just can't find a reference. > Can anyone help please. > Love > Mike. From jas at whatever.iinet.net.au Fri Jan 11 13:19:49 2002 From: jas at whatever.iinet.net.au (Jason Belcher) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:19:49 +0800 Subject: [plug] HTTP return header? References: <20020111050503.189127DB0@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Message-ID: <3C3E75F5.2000009@whatever.iinet.net.au> J Michael Gilks wrote: >I am writing a site for Mater Dei College and on the login page I need to >validate entries on the form before submitting it to the database. Using the >onSubmit method of the form I check entries and if they are missing setfocus >to that entry then return false. This should stop the submit process, but it >doesn't. I get my error message box come up and then the form submits anyway. >What I would like to do is include a header on the action page to redirect >back to the login page, with the information intact, if this error occurs. >I am using Quanta as an IDE, with PHP scripting on an Apache server. >I am sure there is an appropriate header as every browser has a back button >which works. I just can't find a reference. >Can anyone help please. >Love >Mike. > You can do it using javascript by using onClick of the submit button instead of onSubmit of the form (I think, someone correct me if I'm wrong). However, you're probably better off doing the validation on the server-side instead of client-side because if someone doesn't have javascript turned on or if they are intentionally trying to break your site (which will probably happen in a school situation if students have access to it) the server will accept any values it is given. Something like this in PHP on the page the data is being submitted to would do it: if($formfield1 != "" && $formfield2 != "" ...) { //do whatever happens on this page } else { //send them back to the original page, possibly with an error message } HTH Jason From gilksjm at iinet.net.au Fri Jan 11 13:31:54 2002 From: gilksjm at iinet.net.au (J Michael Gilks) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:31:54 +0800 Subject: [plug] HTTP return header? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020111130739.00b4c798@mail> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020111130739.00b4c798@mail> Message-ID: <20020111052943.CC4F77E75@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Sounds good I will give it a go. I like to do checking on the client end because that machine is just lazing around waiting for the server to finish it's request and everyone else's. Also bandwidth is way bigger on a local machine. Anyway thanks for the input. Love Mike. On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:10, John Breen wrote: > I had a similar issue with some PHP development recently. > > The way I got around it was to put a hidden field on the form, then check > the value of the hidden field to determine what processing to do. If your > script then finds that the form data are invalid, change the value of the > hidden field and resubmit the form. If it's valid, accept the data and > load the new page. > > Why not do your processing in PHP? > > Regards, > > John Breen > From gilksjm at iinet.net.au Fri Jan 11 14:15:08 2002 From: gilksjm at iinet.net.au (J Michael Gilks) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:15:08 +0800 Subject: [plug] HTTP return header? In-Reply-To: <20020111050503.189127DB0@spark.plug.linux.org.au> References: <20020111050503.189127DB0@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Message-ID: <20020111061247.C66C27DB0@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Been doing some more checking and looked at Zend.com. Found an excellent article and also that PHP keeps an array of your post variables avcailable for use. Very handy for recalling a page using $PHP-SELF. Also check out the error checking function at the end of the article. Still not sure about server side error checks but this is beautiful code. I love it. The url is http://www.zend.com/zend/spotlight/form-pro-php4.php?print=1 Love Mike. On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:07, J Michael Gilks wrote: > I am writing a site for Mater Dei College and on the login page I need to > validate entries on the form before submitting it to the database. Using > the onSubmit method of the form I check entries and if they are missing > setfocus to that entry then return false. This should stop the submit > process, but it doesn't. I get my error message box come up and then the > form submits anyway. What I would like to do is include a header on the > action page to redirect back to the login page, with the information > intact, if this error occurs. I am using Quanta as an IDE, with PHP > scripting on an Apache server. I am sure there is an appropriate header as > every browser has a back button which works. I just can't find a reference. > Can anyone help please. > Love > Mike. From james at rcpt.to Fri Jan 11 15:45:31 2002 From: james at rcpt.to (James Bromberger) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:45:31 +0800 Subject: [plug] HTTP return header? In-Reply-To: <20020111052943.CC4F77E75@spark.plug.linux.org.au> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020111130739.00b4c798@mail> <20020111052943.CC4F77E75@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Message-ID: <20020111074531.GB3390@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 01:31:54PM +0800, J Michael Gilks wrote: > Sounds good I will give it a go. > I like to do checking on the client end because that machine is just lazing > around waiting for the server to finish it's request and everyone else's. > Also bandwidth is way bigger on a local machine. > Anyway thanks for the input. Never trust client side processing. And its CPU that is on the client side that you could use. Client side is nice just to increase the likelyhood of data benig correct, but you sould *always* validate on server side. Take a look at www.james.rcpt.to/programs/ecommerce/safeforms.html for a way of verifying form data and submit-once situations (such as payment processing, where you don't want to change the client twice). 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Jan 11 15:58:23 gateway pppd[968]: Sent 310 bytes, received 0 bytes. Jan 11 15:58:23 gateway pppd[968]: Exit. Jan 11 15:58:25 gateway mgetty[19340]: init chat failed, exiting...: Invalid argument Thanks Jon L. Miller, MCNE Director/Sr Systems Consultant MMT Networks Pty Ltd http://www.mmtnetworks.com.au "I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody." -Bill Cosby From T.Phillips at murdoch.edu.au Fri Jan 11 16:31:57 2002 From: T.Phillips at murdoch.edu.au (Trevor Phillips) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:31:57 +0800 Subject: [plug] PLUG Logo References: <02010816460100.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> <20020108095359.B49303256DB@mail.old-firestation.net> <02010818091103.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> <3C3B1698.8DE1A4FF@bizzpro.com.au> <4.2.0.58.20020111034117.009c3a90@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <3C3EA2FD.5000703@murdoch.edu.au> Harry McNally wrote: > At 03:25 11/01/02 , you wrote: > > Hahahahaha On the swan theme you've just evoked a funny image of Tux > dressed in black tail fathers like those emu outfits ppl wear. The > little yellow feet out below would look pretty silly (which is my point > :) but he'd have to be holding a curved stick for a graceful neck and > head and trying to convince us he's a swan :-) I don't know about the neck, but yes, I think a Tux Penguin, disguised as a black swan, would make a really good logo! ^_^ And personally, I'm not so keen on the surfboard theme... Sorry. -- . Trevor Phillips - http://jurai.murdoch.edu.au/ . : CWIS Systems Administrator - T.Phillips at murdoch.edu.au : | IT Services - Murdoch University | >--------------------------------------------------------------------< | On nights such as this, evil deeds are done. And good deeds, of / | course. But mostly evil, on the whole. / \ -- (Terry Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters) / From paul at canningcollege.wa.edu.au Fri Jan 11 17:06:03 2002 From: paul at canningcollege.wa.edu.au (Paul Dean) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:06:03 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] Dialin fails In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Jon Miller wrote: > Can anyone lend a hand in this > Jan 11 15:57:50 gateway pppd[968]: pppd 2.4.1 started by a_ppp, uid 0 > Jan 11 15:57:50 gateway pppd[968]: Using interface ppp1 > Jan 11 15:57:50 gateway pppd[968]: Connect: ppp1 <--> /dev/ttyS0 > Jan 11 15:57:53 gateway ppp(pam_unix)[968]: session opened for user decordial1 by a_ppp(uid=0) > Jan 11 15:57:53 gateway pppd[968]: user decordial1 logged in > Jan 11 15:58:23 gateway pppd[968]: IPCP: timeout sending Config-Requests > Jan 11 15:58:23 gateway ppp(pam_unix)[968]: session closed for user decordial1 Here I would check '/var/log/secure' for some further 'pam_unix' messages... sounds like wrong 'user', 'passwd' or something like that... > Jan 11 15:58:23 gateway pppd[968]: Connection terminated. > Jan 11 15:58:23 gateway pppd[968]: Connect time 0.6 minutes. > Jan 11 15:58:23 gateway pppd[968]: Sent 310 bytes, received 0 bytes. > Jan 11 15:58:23 gateway pppd[968]: Exit. > Jan 11 15:58:25 gateway mgetty[19340]: init chat failed, exiting...: Invalid argument > > > Thanks > > Jon L. Miller, MCNE > Director/Sr Systems Consultant > MMT Networks Pty Ltd > http://www.mmtnetworks.com.au > > "I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure > is trying to please everybody." -Bill Cosby > > > -- Paul... /***** Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again. -- Franklin P. Jones *****/ /*****All programmers are playwrights and all computers are lousy actors. -- Unknown*****/ /* How smart are Computers? They seem to need instructions all the time... -- Me */ From fostware at iinet.net.au Fri Jan 11 18:11:34 2002 From: fostware at iinet.net.au (Craig Foster) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:11:34 +0800 Subject: [plug] Dialin fails In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Usually means 1) User credentials are wrong - check /etc/ppp/* permissions and users details / password 2) Server isn't using PAP, or forces CHAP first... check... 3) Timeouts between CONNECT and the server being ready for auth info. Usually fixed by adding, commas, to, the, phone, number, to slow, things, down. EG: 6265,00,00, 4) Bad phone lines... May also show "7-bit communication" somewhere in there too... Regards, Craig Foster > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Miller [mailto:jlmiller at mmtnetworks.com.au] > Sent: Friday, 11 January 2002 4:45 PM > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: [plug] Dialin fails > > > Can anyone lend a hand in this > Jan 11 15:57:50 gateway pppd[968]: pppd 2.4.1 started by > a_ppp, uid 0 > Jan 11 15:57:50 gateway pppd[968]: Using interface ppp1 > Jan 11 15:57:50 gateway pppd[968]: Connect: ppp1 <--> /dev/ttyS0 > Jan 11 15:57:53 gateway ppp(pam_unix)[968]: session opened > for user decordial1 by a_ppp(uid=0) > Jan 11 15:57:53 gateway pppd[968]: user decordial1 logged in > Jan 11 15:58:23 gateway pppd[968]: IPCP: timeout sending > Config-Requests > Jan 11 15:58:23 gateway ppp(pam_unix)[968]: session closed > for user decordial1 > Jan 11 15:58:23 gateway pppd[968]: Connection terminated. > Jan 11 15:58:23 gateway pppd[968]: Connect time 0.6 minutes. > Jan 11 15:58:23 gateway pppd[968]: Sent 310 bytes, received 0 bytes. > Jan 11 15:58:23 gateway pppd[968]: Exit. > Jan 11 15:58:25 gateway mgetty[19340]: init chat failed, > exiting...: Invalid argument > > > Thanks > > Jon L. 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Do these Perls of wisdom spring from some great work available through the Plug library per chance? Is there a script that adds them at random perhaps? If we do get t-shirts printed... P.S. Now I know what a gyroscope is, I uncertain as to where it fits in to the great scheme of things. From konrad at impress-promotions.com.au Fri Jan 11 21:54:13 2002 From: konrad at impress-promotions.com.au (Konrad Rubin) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:54:13 +0800 Subject: [plug] T-Shirts and PLUGgers In-Reply-To: <02011022260708.09490@oberon.amber.com.au> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020110183718.00b27250@decisions-and-designs.com.au> <0201101402080P.01761@oberon.amber.com.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20020110183718.00b27250@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020111214415.00a76368@webmail.linuxwa.com.au> HI all, why doing business with some guys in the US? I'm running a business dealing in promotional products. I had a bit of a learning curve to do as i made quite a bit of shirts for another group and thought i would sell them easily. Talk about making a loss and still sitting on unsold T's. I would do it again but i would have to have definitive orders and the money as Cafe express does. Then i would produce them at a cost to cover mine. Don't get me wrong i do work for free but the prospect of sitting on another batch of 'nice' shirts is not appealing. What do i propose; Somebody sets up a site containing all the possible designs and all the interested people do vote and state if they are willing to buy tTs. Then they leave their contact details and if the thing goes ahead i would have to ask everybody to send me a cheque or cash to do the run. No pay - no shirt. Seems harsh but experience teaches you. Always willing work for a good cause. Any comments??? Konrad Anyway i got to say At 10:26 PM 10/01/2002 +0800, you wrote: >On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:47, Jacqueline McNally wrote: > > > [jacqueline] I have had some recent experience wrt T-shirts for another > > organisation and I can honestly say - not again :-P Hurdles: MOQ (financial > > commitment), sizes, agreeing on a style, agreeing on the artwork. > >You gave people a choice? I think I see the problem =). What we've done in >the past (for the CIA and Swancon) was establish a design (usually one person >responsible for multiple options and then have the committee choose the best >design(s)), and then print off a number we think we can sell (say 20). We >initially take a financial hit but we've always come out on top and sold >every shirt we've printed. Cafepress does look very interesting tho and >worth investigating as an option. > >skribe >-- >Public key information available at: >http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html >Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 > >I'm going to raise an issue and stick it in your ear. > -- John Foreman From billk at iinet.net.au Sat Jan 12 03:01:32 2002 From: billk at iinet.net.au (Bill Kenworthy) Date: 12 Jan 2002 03:01:32 +0800 Subject: [plug] convert existing setup to raid without data loss Message-ID: <1010775692.17858.11.camel@rattus.Localdomain> I have two 60g HD's on a kt7a-raid board running Mandrake (reiserfs) and want to experiment with software raid (raid 0 to get max write speed for video work). As there is already about 40G of data on the machine (much could be deleted though - old whole OS backups for instance!) Is it possible to convert these to raid without data loss, either in whole or part? It seems I can shrink the existing partions using the reiserfstools/cfdisk and create more as raid, but once the data is transferred, the docs get a bit vague about whether the raid partitions can be moved and expanded to reclaim the remaining space. BillK From skribe at amber.com.au Sat Jan 12 08:25:24 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 08:25:24 +0800 Subject: [plug] Plug membership drive? In-Reply-To: <000f01c19aa5$eda0bc20$0200a8c0@Main700> References: <000f01c19aa5$eda0bc20$0200a8c0@Main700> Message-ID: <02011208252404.13284@oberon.amber.com.au> On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:43, Richard Barnes wrote: > Do these Perls of wisdom spring from some great work > available through the Plug library per chance? man fortune skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 Q: How many Harvard MBA's does it take to screw in a lightbulb? A: Just one. He grasps it firmly and the universe revolves around him. From wayne.vovil at ausi.com Sat Jan 12 09:26:52 2002 From: wayne.vovil at ausi.com (Wayne Vovil) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:26:52 -0800 Subject: [plug] web development Message-ID: <200201120126.g0C1QqU14373@mail18.bigmailbox.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From skribe at amber.com.au Sat Jan 12 09:30:32 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:30:32 +0800 Subject: [plug] web development In-Reply-To: <200201120126.g0C1QqU14373@mail18.bigmailbox.com> References: <200201120126.g0C1QqU14373@mail18.bigmailbox.com> Message-ID: <02011209303205.13284@oberon.amber.com.au> On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:26, Wayne Vovil wrote: > What are the recommendations - application wise - for producing HTML, > javascript and pdfs under linux? I have heard of a few, such as Bluefish. I use gvim. skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 You buttered your bread, now lie in it. From adam_ashley at softhome.net Sat Jan 12 10:27:27 2002 From: adam_ashley at softhome.net (Adam Ashley) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:27:27 +0800 Subject: [plug] web development In-Reply-To: <02011209303205.13284@oberon.amber.com.au> Message-ID: > On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:26, Wayne Vovil wrote: > > > What are the recommendations - application wise - for producing HTML, > > javascript and pdfs under linux? I have heard of a few, such as > Bluefish. > > I use gvim. > gvim all the way From jason at mindsocket.com.au Sat Jan 12 12:35:14 2002 From: jason at mindsocket.com.au (Jason Nicholls) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:35:14 +0800 Subject: [plug] Re: PLUG logo candidates In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020110073406.0099b470@decisions-and-designs.com.au>; from harrymc@decisions-and-designs.com.au on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 07:39:43AM +0000 References: <4.2.0.58.20020110073406.0099b470@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <20020112123514.D1014@nikita.vic.bigpond.net.au> On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 07:39:43AM +0000, Harry McNally wrote: > plug /pl^g/, n., v., ... > > ... 13. U.S. Colloq. a man's tall silk hat. (?) -v.t 14. to stop or fill > with or as with a plug. ... > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~decdes/unplugged.gif What do people think of this logo? There wasn't really much response but I think it has been the best candidate so far. I actually quite like it, simple and different. Later, Jason Nicholls -------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Nicholls icq: 11745841 email: Proprietor mobile: 0417 410 811 Mind Socket [web services] http://www.mindsocket.com.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- From skribe at amber.com.au Sat Jan 12 12:53:46 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:53:46 +0800 Subject: [plug] New Logo Candidate Message-ID: <02011212534600.01751@oberon.amber.com.au> Celine has done another version of the surfing penguin. http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/PLUG-logo3-colour-sm.png I've also added text around it. http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/PLUG-logo3-colour-sm-text.png More text versions to follow. skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 There is always someone worse off than yourself. From michael.j.hunt at usa.net Sat Jan 12 12:53:37 2002 From: michael.j.hunt at usa.net (Michael Hunt) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:53:37 +0800 Subject: [plug] Re: PLUG logo candidates In-Reply-To: <20020112123514.D1014@nikita.vic.bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: > On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 07:39:43AM +0000, Harry McNally wrote: > > plug /pl^g/, n., v., ... > > > > ... 13. U.S. Colloq. a man's tall silk hat. (?) -v.t 14. to > stop or fill > > with or as with a plug. ... > > > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~decdes/unplugged.gif > > What do people think of this logo? There wasn't really much response but I > think it has been the best candidate so far. I actually quite > like it, simple > and different. > > > Later, > > Jason Nicholls I think it is quite good and would look really good on a white t-shirt. Michael Hunt From skribe at amber.com.au Sat Jan 12 12:55:39 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:55:39 +0800 Subject: [plug] Re: PLUG logo candidates In-Reply-To: <20020112123514.D1014@nikita.vic.bigpond.net.au> References: <4.2.0.58.20020110073406.0099b470@decisions-and-designs.com.au> <20020112123514.D1014@nikita.vic.bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: <02011212553901.01751@oberon.amber.com.au> On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:35, Jason Nicholls wrote: > On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 07:39:43AM +0000, Harry McNally wrote: > > plug /pl^g/, n., v., ... > > > > ... 13. U.S. Colloq. a man's tall silk hat. (?) -v.t 14. to stop or fill > > with or as with a plug. ... > > > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~decdes/unplugged.gif > > What do people think of this logo? There wasn't really much response but I > think it has been the best candidate so far. I actually quite like it, > simple and different. Obviously I'm biased, but the first thing that came to mind was Tux has fallen into a toilet. I don't like it. skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 Using words to describe magic is like using a screwdriver to cut roast beef. -- Tom Robbins From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Sat Jan 12 15:41:39 2002 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 07:41:39 +0000 Subject: [plug] Re: PLUG logo candidates In-Reply-To: <02011212553901.01751@oberon.amber.com.au> References: <20020112123514.D1014@nikita.vic.bigpond.net.au> <4.2.0.58.20020110073406.0099b470@decisions-and-designs.com.au> <20020112123514.D1014@nikita.vic.bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020112064024.009d2df0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> At 04:55 12/01/02 , you wrote: >On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:35, Jason Nicholls wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 07:39:43AM +0000, Harry McNally wrote: > > > plug /pl^g/, n., v., ... > > > > > > ... 13. U.S. Colloq. a man's tall silk hat. (?) -v.t 14. to stop or fill > > > with or as with a plug. ... > > > > > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~decdes/unplugged.gif > > > > What do people think of this logo? There wasn't really much response but I > > think it has been the best candidate so far. I actually quite like it, > > simple and different. > >Obviously I'm biased, but the first thing that came to mind was Tux has >fallen into a toilet. I don't like it. Hahahaha ! Jeez your norty, dr scribe :) I really wasn't intending for it to be toilet humour. The connection was actually with the penguin from W&G Wrong Trousers when he ended up stuck in a bottle but we didn't want to distort Tux. Careful readers may also make some connection with the recent pamphlet "Have you seen this penguin?". This was purely coincidental. Also, be mindful that often the "coolness on a t-shirt" metric is sometimes the use of particular fonts. So many graphical alternatives are possible. I like the surfboard Tux because he means business but you'll have probably realised by now that the ideas from the DnD padded concepts room are driven by the likes of Wallace and Gromit and The Goons (folks). Radio National, 810 AM, 1530 hours, TODAY ! The upsidedown-ness was J's idea so here is one with him right way up. http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~decdes/upside_plug.gif All the best and have fun Harry From jlmiller at mmtnetworks.com.au Sat Jan 12 16:17:32 2002 From: jlmiller at mmtnetworks.com.au (Jon Miller) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:17:32 +0800 Subject: [plug] 'puter for sale Message-ID: Got a friend that is trying to sell their PC, following is the info. 15" monitor AMD 300 chip Socket 7 motherboard SoundBlaster 16 Soundcard Banshee 16MB videocard 3GB harddrive 64MB Ram SD Midi Tower Genius 56K Modem Epson Stylus Color 500 Printer Selling price for the lot : $600.00 ono Any interest contact me at 9242 8600 Jon L. Miller, MCNE Director/Sr Systems Consultant MMT Networks Pty Ltd http://www.mmtnetworks.com.au "I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody." -Bill Cosby From anne at busby.net Sat Jan 12 16:23:23 2002 From: anne at busby.net (Anne Busby) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:23:23 +0800 (W. Australia Standard Time) Subject: [plug] Debian install - network card In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020107125822.00b88cf0@pop.iprimus.com.au> Message-ID: Hi all, Thanks for your help. I got given a couple of ISA cards from work, and got one of them working. So now it is time to apt-get Anne Busby E-Mail: anne at busby.net Web: http://www.busby.net From james at rcpt.to Sat Jan 12 17:26:10 2002 From: james at rcpt.to (James Bromberger) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:26:10 +0800 Subject: [plug] Re: PLUG logo candidates In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020112064024.009d2df0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> References: <20020112123514.D1014@nikita.vic.bigpond.net.au> <4.2.0.58.20020110073406.0099b470@decisions-and-designs.com.au> <20020112123514.D1014@nikita.vic.bigpond.net.au> <4.2.0.58.20020112064024.009d2df0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <20020112092609.GA19639@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Sat, Jan 12, 2002 at 07:41:39AM +0000, Harry McNally wrote: > At 04:55 12/01/02 , you wrote: > >> > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~decdes/unplugged.gif > >Obviously I'm biased, but the first thing that came to mind was Tux has > >fallen into a toilet. I don't like it. From the Unplugged tag comes: http://www.james.rcpt.to/2002/plug-logo/tux-unplugged-complete.png James ;) -- James Bromberger www.james.rcpt.to Australian Debian Conference: http://www.linux.org.au/conf/debiancon.html Remainder moved to http://www.james.rcpt.to/james/sig.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't like it. > >from the Unplugged tag comes: > >http://www.james.rcpt.to/2002/plug-logo/tux-unplugged-complete.png > > > James > ;) That's very cool James :-) I was playing with words when I used the 'unplugged' name so it's neat that you took advantage of it. I see Tux plays overhand on the neck like Dave Hole's slide style. Tux is an R&B man :-) http://home.iprimus.com.au/fudd/dhole/profile.htm cu Harry From leon at brooks.fdns.net Sat Jan 12 21:03:17 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:03:17 +0800 Subject: [plug] Feb 2nd-Tuesday meeting topic Message-ID: <20020112130439.8AA9F32597D@mail.old-firestation.net> I'd be interested in talking about LTSP (Linux Terminal Server Project, ie diskless workstations in a can) if anyone would be interested in listening. I'd do it 4th-Monday this month but will be in Bremer Bay at the time. Cheers; Leon From ryan at prodigital.net.au Sat Jan 12 21:12:17 2002 From: ryan at prodigital.net.au (Ryan) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:12:17 +0800 Subject: [plug] Feb 2nd-Tuesday meeting topic In-Reply-To: <20020112130439.8AA9F32597D@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020112210903.00a08ec0@10.10.10.1> Yet to make it to my first PLUG gathering I'd certainly be interested if I'm not playing cricket that night :P At 09:03 PM 12-01-02 +0800, you wrote: >I'd be interested in talking about LTSP (Linux Terminal Server Project, ie >diskless workstations in a can) if anyone would be interested in listening. > >I'd do it 4th-Monday this month but will be in Bremer Bay at the time. > >Cheers; Leon From jas at whatever.iinet.net.au Sat Jan 12 21:15:30 2002 From: jas at whatever.iinet.net.au (Jason Belcher) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:15:30 +0800 Subject: [plug] Feb 2nd-Tuesday meeting topic References: <20020112130439.8AA9F32597D@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: <3C4036F2.10309@whatever.iinet.net.au> Leon Brooks wrote: >I'd be interested in talking about LTSP (Linux Terminal Server Project, ie >diskless workstations in a can) if anyone would be interested in listening. > >I'd do it 4th-Monday this month but will be in Bremer Bay at the time. > >Cheers; Leon > ummm...isn't Feb 2nd a Saturday? :) From ryan at prodigital.net.au Sat Jan 12 21:22:12 2002 From: ryan at prodigital.net.au (Ryan) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:22:12 +0800 Subject: [plug] Feb 2nd-Tuesday meeting topic In-Reply-To: <3C4036F2.10309@whatever.iinet.net.au> References: <20020112130439.8AA9F32597D@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020112212120.00a0fa80@10.10.10.1> >ummm...isn't Feb 2nd a Saturday? :) Feb 2nd - "tuesday" = 12th ? From michael.j.hunt at usa.net Sat Jan 12 21:28:19 2002 From: michael.j.hunt at usa.net (Michael Hunt) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:28:19 +0800 Subject: [plug] Feb 2nd-Tuesday meeting topic In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020112210903.00a08ec0@10.10.10.1> Message-ID: > Yet to make it to my first PLUG gathering I'd certainly be interested if > I'm not playing cricket that night :P > > At 09:03 PM 12-01-02 +0800, you wrote: > >I'd be interested in talking about LTSP (Linux Terminal Server > Project, ie > >diskless workstations in a can) if anyone would be interested in > listening. > > > >I'd do it 4th-Monday this month but will be in Bremer Bay at the time. > > > >Cheers; Leon Is it also possible to allocate sometime at that meeting to a LCA 2002 overview ??? (Really interested in hearing about LTSP though Leon). Michael Hunt From michael.j.hunt at usa.net Sat Jan 12 21:28:20 2002 From: michael.j.hunt at usa.net (Michael Hunt) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:28:20 +0800 Subject: [plug] Feb 2nd-Tuesday meeting topic In-Reply-To: <3C4036F2.10309@whatever.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: > Leon Brooks wrote: > > >I'd be interested in talking about LTSP (Linux Terminal Server > Project, ie > >diskless workstations in a can) if anyone would be interested in > listening. > > > >I'd do it 4th-Monday this month but will be in Bremer Bay at the time. > > > >Cheers; Leon > > > ummm...isn't Feb 2nd a Saturday? :) I think he means 2nd Tuesday in February. This is standard PLUG practice. Tony is there any news on the use of Central TAFE for PLUG ??? Michael Hunt From cottmain at yahoo.com.au Sat Jan 12 21:43:29 2002 From: cottmain at yahoo.com.au (Daniel) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:43:29 +0800 Subject: [plug] Feb 2nd-Tuesday meeting topic In-Reply-To: <20020112130439.8AA9F32597D@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020112212450.02a16df0@144.135.24.13> Hi Leon, sounds great! that's one of the things I've been trying to find out about Daniel. At 21:03 12/01/2002 +0800, you wrote: >I'd be interested in talking about LTSP (Linux Terminal Server Project, ie >diskless workstations in a can) if anyone would be interested in listening. > >I'd do it 4th-Monday this month but will be in Bremer Bay at the time. > >Cheers; Leon From pete at akira.apana.org.au Sat Jan 12 22:12:32 2002 From: pete at akira.apana.org.au (Peter Wright) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:12:32 +0800 Subject: [plug] web development In-Reply-To: <200201120126.g0C1QqU14373@mail18.bigmailbox.com> References: <200201120126.g0C1QqU14373@mail18.bigmailbox.com> Message-ID: <20020112221232.A7198@chef.flooble.net.au> Hi Wayne, On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 05:26:52PM -0800, Wayne Vovil wrote: > Hi > > I have slowly been setting up my system (SuSE 7.1 Prof) for desktop > development. Yes, I like playing around with linux; but my prime reason > for using ANY operating system (and linux is my choice, followed by OS/2, > z etc) is application development. I am primarily interested in > programming (love it!). My current work / home / not sleepy hours are > devoted to COBOL (yes it still lives!), Run away! > java, c/c++, python (but sadly no longer my beloved smalltalk) > programming. Oh well. At least some of the languages you mention are worth investing time with. :) > I am a member of sporting organisation for whom I volunteered to do > Access programming. My own club which is a member of this org has also > asked me to take over doing their web pages. > > So, finally I get to the questions! > > What are the recommendations - application wise - for producing HTML, > javascript and pdfs under linux? I have heard of a few, such as Bluefish. Okay - um - it's a bit of a tricky question, specifically as you've merged a PDF-related question into a web-related question - and I think they're fairly different areas. So I'll just ignore the PDF side at the moment (which is probably appropriate, since I know little about it :). To attempt a brief summary - well, Bluefish looks all right. Hell, try it out and see if it does what you want. Quanta Gold ( http://www.thekompany.com/products/quanta ) I think does at least some of the sort of stuff you want, although you'll have to be serious enough to pay money for it :-). There is a related Quanta Plus project ( http://quanta.sourceforge.net/ ) which is free to download. I'm not sure exactly what the relationship between Quanta Gold and Quanta Plus is, but I suspect it's similar to that for KDE Studio and KDE Studio Gold - theKompany makes a number of improvements to a GPL-ed application and then sells the improved version. Which, before any rabid FreeSoftware(tm) people complain, is _perfectly_ legal under the GPL - hell, RMS used to do it himself :). Looks like the CoffeeCup HTML editor (which I've heard of, but never used) is also available free for Linux (not open source though): http://www.coffeecup.com/linux/ For general C/C++ development, you might want to have a look at KDevelop ( http://kdevelop.kde.org/ ) and the aforementioned KDE Studio Gold ( http://www.thekompany.com/products/ksg/ ). For Python (and other scriptish languages that can be used for web development), you may want to have a look at Komodo: http://www.activestate.com/Products/Komodo/ I think it's a free download, and there are a couple of low-cost licensing options ( http://www.activestate.com/Products/Komodo/pricing_and_licensing.plex ) - well, looks like the 21-day evaluation license is free, anyway. :) For Python and Ruby dev work, Blackadder looks very interesting, even though it's not out of beta yet: http://www.thekompany.com/products/blackadder/ You can also download a somewhat limited demo version of this. As a general high-powered text editor, I've heard a lot of good things about JEdit ( http://www.jedit.org/ ). > cheers > Wayne Of course, I can't make any personal recommendations about how good/bad any of these products are, as I've never used them (well, aside from KDevelop briefly, and that was excellent) - much as with the other two who responded to your question before me, I just use vim. :-) Pete. -- http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/ -- Klingon programmer sayings: 4. "I have challenged the entire quality assurance team to a Bat-Leth contest. (pause) They will not concern us again." From pete at akira.apana.org.au Sat Jan 12 22:34:56 2002 From: pete at akira.apana.org.au (Peter Wright) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:34:56 +0800 Subject: [plug] editor In-Reply-To: <20020110165257.A25478@chef.flooble.net.au> References: <200201100131.g0A1V4r10588@mail23.bigmailbox.com> <20020110165257.A25478@chef.flooble.net.au> Message-ID: <20020112223456.B7198@chef.flooble.net.au> Having just responded to another Wayne question without realising it was the same guy, I've now just realised I discovered some moderately useful information for this question in the process of answering the latest one[0]. On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 04:52:57PM +0800, Peter Wright wrote: > On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 05:31:04PM -0800, Wayne Vovil wrote: > > Thanks for that! But I am REALLY after something more professional and > > intuitive. Let's use C as an example. I want to type: [ ... ] > > In other words, not only keyword completion; but more than that (call > > it parm prompting etc. [ ... ] > > Also it would be nice to have context sensitive scoping. By that I > > mean, using an OOP language, you would have a drop-down list of object > > references available that were valid for the current scope. > > I just don't think that any IDEs (and I really doubt any pure editors) on > Linux supply this sort of language-and-developmentenvironment-specific > feature as yet - though I'd be happy to be corrected on this point. More > recent editions of KDevelop or KDE Studio Gold may. I'm happy to discover via screenshot evidence that KDE Studio Gold does in fact provide something very close to this feature: http://www.thekompany.com/products/ksg/_img/081.png?PHPSESSID=4e9a02d94676e03646aa7525a2abd44b I just tried it in KDevelop for the sake of completeness and KDevelop does _not_ appear to have this feature (at least the version I was using, 2.0). However, it _does_ have a very very nice right-click-on-function-and-look- at-manpage option, except the manpage is rendered in some very spiffy display widget. If it wasn't for the fact that I don't really like IDEs, I'd probably use this. :) Pete. [0] I can write legible sentences sometimes, really. :) -- http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/ -- Klingon programmer sayings: 3. "A TRUE Klingon Warrior does not comment his code!" From solhanna at dingoblue.net.au Sat Jan 12 22:52:42 2002 From: solhanna at dingoblue.net.au (Sol) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:52:42 +0800 Subject: [plug] web development References: <200201120126.g0C1QqU14373@mail18.bigmailbox.com> Message-ID: <3C404DBA.3050305@dingoblue.net.au> > > > > >What are the recommendations - application wise - for producing HTML, javascript and pdfs under linux? I have heard of a few, such as Bluefish. > I'm only a grommit, wannabe hacker at the moment so take my advice with a grain (or a spoonful) of salt, but I have been drilling myself over recent weeks (in my spare time) in SQL and PHP. I've checked the sites for Quanta and CoffeeCup and I suppose if you want to do HTML or PHP hacking in an editor with the works then this is getting close. For now though I'm happy to use Glimmer (formerly Code Commander) which is a simple graphical editor with syntax highlighting for HTML, PHP, C, C++, Perl, Java, Javascript, Bash, SQL (the list goes on but I won't). It's a good all-round GUI editor. I also like to use Vim for smaller jobs if I can't be bothered downloading something it can be used in a ssh session. http://at.rpmfind.net/opsys/linux/RPM/freshmeat/glimmer/glimmer-0.9.18-1.i386.html I'm working on a site that will be serving PDF and HTML files as well as mp3 audio from an archive. I've looked into Lyx, which is based on LaTeX (on the recommendation of a PLUGer) and have so far found it excellent for creating formatted documents. The tutorials were great and got me started quickly. It creates Postscript files which can easily be converted into pdf's using a command line app ps2pdf. I can definitely see myself using this more often in the future, especially as I'm at uni - this could make essay preparation quite a bit easier. And best of all, it's free! :-) http://www.lyx.org/ Hope this helps, Sol > > >cheers > >Wayne > > > >------------------------------------------------------------ >FREE EMAIL for all from AUSI at http://ausi.com Access world wide. > > From fostware at iinet.net.au Sun Jan 13 04:27:03 2002 From: fostware at iinet.net.au (Craig Foster) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 04:27:03 +0800 Subject: [plug] Feb 2nd-Tuesday meeting topic In-Reply-To: <20020112130439.8AA9F32597D@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: I have the K12LTSP-1.1 (Kinder - Year 12) CD's (x2) floating around... If anyone wants something to play around with / look at after the meeting :-) Should burns be available, does the /lib/ want a copy, etc?... Been meaning to look at them, but a lack of servers is preventing me :) Regards, Craig Foster > -----Original Message----- > From: Leon Brooks [mailto:leon at brooks.fdns.net] > Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2002 9:03 PM > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: [plug] Feb 2nd-Tuesday meeting topic > > > I'd be interested in talking about LTSP (Linux Terminal > Server Project, ie > diskless workstations in a can) if anyone would be > interested in listening. > > I'd do it 4th-Monday this month but will be in Bremer Bay > at the time. > > Cheers; Leon > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers; Leon From james at rcpt.to Sun Jan 13 10:33:31 2002 From: james at rcpt.to (James Bromberger) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:33:31 +0800 Subject: [plug] Wireless LAN questions (time for a Milo break) In-Reply-To: <20020113014024.EF33A3252D9@mail.old-firestation.net> References: <20020113014024.EF33A3252D9@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: <20020113023330.GA29791@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Sun, Jan 13, 2002 at 09:40:19AM +0800, Leon Brooks wrote: > I have a client with two offices about 300m apart and AFAICT not quite LOS. I > presume that this would be duck soup for a couple of well-aimed Milo tins, > but would like commentary from the Milo-tin gurus before pronouncing upon the > topic. It depends on how non-line of sight they are. I can get 400 metres from milo tins through some trees. I can't get the 2.5 kms that I am after though like this. Options are to actually purchase some good directional anetannas, use come converted Galaxy dishes (which, while good, are for a slightly higher frequency, IIRC), or to add a power amplification to the signal (which scares me with microwave). > If it comes down to trying it out, are there a couple of Milo tins and > associated LAN card within reach? Contact me off list. > What do the cards etc cost apiece? 11 MBit radios: $250 ea or so. PCMCIA <-> PCI/ISA Bridges: $150 ea or so. Pigtails to plug into radios: $60 ea or so. 5 Mtr run of LMR 400 cable to go from p/tail to antenna: $60 ea Milo tins/Galaxy antenna converted: priceless PC on each end: Looking in todays papers, Pentium 100 - 200: $150 ea Best Operating System in the world: $0 Total per end = $670 + time to configure. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From leon at brooks.fdns.net Sun Jan 13 10:55:21 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:55:21 +0800 Subject: [plug] Wireless LAN questions (time for a Milo break) In-Reply-To: <20020113023330.GA29791@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20020113014024.EF33A3252D9@mail.old-firestation.net> <20020113023330.GA29791@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20020113025529.71B5E3252D9@mail.old-firestation.net> On Sunday 13 January 2002 10:33, James Bromberger wrote: > On Sun, Jan 13, 2002 at 09:40:19AM +0800, Leon Brooks wrote: > I can get 400 metres > from milo tins through some trees. I can't get the 2.5 kms that I am > after though like this. Options are to actually purchase some good > directional anetannas, use come converted Galaxy dishes (which, while good, > are for a slightly higher frequency, IIRC), or to add a > power amplification to the signal (which scares me with microwave). Or borrow a chainsaw. A long one should be through any metro tree in under two minutes, fairly safe at 2-3AM... (-: >> What do the cards etc cost apiece? > 11 MBit radios: $250 ea or so. > PCMCIA <-> PCI/ISA Bridges: $150 ea or so. > Pigtails to plug into radios: $60 ea or so. > 5 Mtr run of LMR 400 cable to go from p/tail to antenna: $60 ea > Milo tins/Galaxy antenna converted: priceless Customer is unusual in that he's prepared to wield a (+1 damage) soldering iron. > PC on each end: Looking in todays papers, Pentium 100 - 200: $150 ea > Best Operating System in the world: $0 > Total per end = $670 + time to configure. Beats $400/month per end for ADSL, hands down. Cheers; Leon From tony at cantech.net.au Sun Jan 13 11:18:49 2002 From: tony at cantech.net.au (Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:18:49 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] Feb 2nd-Tuesday meeting topic In-Reply-To: <20020112130439.8AA9F32597D@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Leon Brooks wrote: > I'd be interested in talking about LTSP (Linux Terminal Server Project, ie > diskless workstations in a can) if anyone would be interested in listening. > > I'd do it 4th-Monday this month but will be in Bremer Bay at the time. Thanks Leon, I already have speakers set up for the Feb and March Tuesday meets How does April fit in with you. After the meet we can have a run down on the LCA planning if people want to here about it. Yours Tony. /* * "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the * same level of thinking we were at when we created them." * --Albert Einstein */ From bob at contact.omen.com.au Sun Jan 13 13:14:35 2002 From: bob at contact.omen.com.au (bob) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:14:35 +0800 Subject: [plug] Wireless LAN questions (time for a Milo break) In-Reply-To: <20020113025529.71B5E3252D9@mail.old-firestation.net> References: <20020113014024.EF33A3252D9@mail.old-firestation.net> <20020113023330.GA29791@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20020113025529.71B5E3252D9@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: <200201131312.3842932.6@contact.omen.com.au> On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:55, Leon Brooks wrote: > Customer is unusual in that he's prepared to wield a (+1 damage) soldering > iron. In that case they'd be interested in this... http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~clock/twibright/ronja/ Ronja is an Open-Hardware optical datalink that connects two PC's point-to-point. Ronja's design is licensed under the GNU Public License: you get all the necessary documentation and construction guides free. The construction costs are minimal; it's probably the cheapest wireless system ever. The operation is very reliable and immune to interference. Ronja 10M Metropolis Technical Specification * Bit rate and transmission mode: 10Mbit, full duplex * Maximum operating distance: 1km wih 130mm lenses, 500m with 90mm lenses. * Minimum operating distance: 1/15 of maximum operating distance. Further manual reduction possible by change of two passive components. * Data interface: IEEE 802.3 Attachment Unit Interface (AUI) except mechanical latch requirement * Power consumption: 300mA @12V (3.6W) from AUI, 2W from external heating power supply (switchable off) * Operating wavelength: visible, 625nm, 100nm spectral width (618nm perceived wavelength, red-orange) * Estimated optical output: 12mW * Divergence cone half angle: 1.9mrad (130mm aperture transmitter lens) * Estimated Optical EIRP: 10kW (130mm aperture transmitter lens) * Operating humidity: up to 100% with lens heating on, up to 95% with lens heating off. Certain atmospheric visibility required. * Optical modulation: BPSK (as on AUI) plus 1MHz asynchronous 50% duty cycle square wave between packets. * Indicators: Power, Receive Packet, Transmit Packet * Aiming system: visual, retroreflector for transmitter and DC voltage signal strength monitor port for receiver. Mmmmm ... Open source hardware. :) -- "Mr. Watson, come here, I want you." -- Alexander Graham Bell From leon at brooks.fdns.net Sun Jan 13 16:04:52 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:04:52 +0800 Subject: [plug] Feb 2nd-Tuesday meeting topic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020113080502.DC08D32597D@mail.old-firestation.net> On Sunday 13 January 2002 11:18, Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima wrote: > On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Leon Brooks wrote: >> I'd be interested in talking about LTSP (Linux Terminal Server Project, >> ie diskless workstations in a can) if anyone would be interested in >> listening. >> I'd do it 4th-Monday this month but will be in Bremer Bay at the time. > Thanks Leon, I already have speakers set up for the Feb and March Tuesday > meets How does April fit in with you. Or Feb/March 4th-Monday meetings. Cheers; Leon From garbuck at tpg.com.au Sun Jan 13 16:15:38 2002 From: garbuck at tpg.com.au (garry) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:15:38 +0800 Subject: [plug] Wireless LAN questions (time for a Milo break) In-Reply-To: <200201131312.3842932.6@contact.omen.com.au> References: <20020113014024.EF33A3252D9@mail.old-firestation.net> <20020113025529.71B5E3252D9@mail.old-firestation.net> <200201131312.3842932.6@contact.omen.com.au> Message-ID: <200201130817.g0D8H4S25497@bleys.tpgi.com.au> Don't want to sound negative, but is he has "almost LOS", wouldn't an optical link be more marginal than 2.4Ghz? Interesting article though! Garry. > > In that case they'd be interested in this... > > http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~clock/twibright/ronja/ > > Ronja is an Open-Hardware optical datalink that connects two PC's From bob at contact.omen.com.au Sun Jan 13 17:11:30 2002 From: bob at contact.omen.com.au (bob) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:11:30 +0800 Subject: [plug] Wireless LAN questions (time for a Milo break) In-Reply-To: <200201130817.g0D8H4S25497@bleys.tpgi.com.au> References: <20020113014024.EF33A3252D9@mail.old-firestation.net> <200201131312.3842932.6@contact.omen.com.au> <200201130817.g0D8H4S25497@bleys.tpgi.com.au> Message-ID: <200201131709.3241655.6@contact.omen.com.au> On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:15, garry wrote: > Don't want to sound negative, but is he has "almost LOS", wouldn't an > optical link be more marginal than 2.4Ghz? > > Interesting article though! > > Garry. > > > In that case they'd be interested in this... > > > > http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~clock/twibright/ronja/ > > > > Ronja is an Open-Hardware optical datalink that connects two PC's The FAQ answers that one... * Is it possible to use Ronja together with a mirror halfway on the path? Yes, it is possible. However, ordinary mirrors from glass cutter's shop are not perfect planes, so they spread the light a little. So the signal is a rather weaker than if the mirror was not there. It is also advised to have the mirror bigger than lens diameter to make it prone to misalignments, air waving and imperfections in the mirror. Also the mirror should be protected from dirt and weather by some kind of hood and the back of the mirror must be waterproofly sealed in order for the reflective layer not to be damaged by moisture over time. it _is_ doable. -- He that would govern others, first should be the master of himself. From darts at dialix.com.au Sun Jan 13 21:02:47 2002 From: darts at dialix.com.au (Dave Dartnall) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:02:47 +0800 Subject: [plug] troff-to-html for printing? Message-ID: <3C418577.3080002@dialix.com.au> Hi all, I need some help with printing the help files for pgaccess - gui front end for postgresql. When they're called from the main pgaccess window they are neatly formatted in their own window without any print capability... They appear to be troff files - and printing with groff, as far as I have been able to understand the groff man, has not worked. I'd obviously like to transform them to a format massageable in a text editor (gui please, not vi or emacs!) so that they could be printed in a logical order for reference. The associated pgsql section also looks as if it could be valuable to me. And while I'm on the job would the treasurer / secretary please advise where to send my membership cheque, how much and payee ... I probably owe two years' membership? regards Dave Dartnall From skribe at amber.com.au Sun Jan 13 22:50:47 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:50:47 +0800 Subject: [plug] New Logo Candidate In-Reply-To: <02011212534600.01751@oberon.amber.com.au> References: <02011212534600.01751@oberon.amber.com.au> Message-ID: <02011322504708.01751@oberon.amber.com.au> On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:53, skribe wrote: > More text versions to follow. http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/PLUG-logo3-colour-sm-textcircle.png -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 The only difference between a car salesman and a computer salesman is that the car salesman knows he's lying. From james at rcpt.to Sun Jan 13 23:38:18 2002 From: james at rcpt.to (James Bromberger) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:38:18 +0800 Subject: [plug] Dr Fun Cartoon, May 28 2001. 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Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 2071 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From leon at lostrealm.com Mon Jan 14 11:00:36 2002 From: leon at lostrealm.com (Leon Blackwell) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:00:36 +0800 Subject: [plug] web development In-Reply-To: <200201120126.g0C1QqU14373@mail18.bigmailbox.com>; from wayne.vovil@ausi.com on Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 05:26:52PM -0800 References: <200201120126.g0C1QqU14373@mail18.bigmailbox.com> Message-ID: <20020114110036.A5880@lostrealm.com> On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 05:26:52PM -0800, Wayne Vovil wrote: > My current work / home / not sleepy hours are devoted to COBOL You poor deluded person, you :) > What are the recommendations - application wise - for producing HTML, > javascript and pdfs under linux? I have heard of a few, such as > Bluefish. The big question is: will the website be static or dynamic? In other words, are you going to produce interactive content, database searching, etc, or are you looking at purely static content? This will greatly affect the way in which you produce the website. For dynamic content, you're really got no choice but to sit down and start coding in the language of your choice. I like vim, but you might prefer a fluffy IDE. For static content, there are plenty of HTML editors that people have mentioned already (including my favourite, vim). If you're feeling a little more geeky, you might like to check out WML (the website meta language, not the WAP-related one): http://www.engelschall.com/sw/wml/ This will allow you to create static content that is created using a combination of HTML, Perl and all sorts of funky bits and pieces. It's quite useful if you're looking at developing a large site, and want to create adaptive templates and styles, etc. Oh, and avoid Javascript if you can. Not only is it a pain to develop stable cross-browser code, but many people switch it off. -- Leon Blackwell | Millions long for immortality who do http://www.lostrealm.com/ | not know what to do with themselves on jabber:Lionfire at lostrealm.com | a rainy Sunday afternoon. | -- Susan Ertz From Patrick at perthix.net Mon Jan 14 12:12:31 2002 From: Patrick at perthix.net (Patrick Tehvand) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:12:31 +0800 Subject: [plug] /dev/shm Message-ID: <13773DCBF9C83747AFB854C5C21E0761258877@wombat.perthix.net> I have just installed RH 7.2 on a Dell poweredge 1550. after many problems with the raid controllers i have now finished (YAY) but.. when i check the mount it has an entry /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) Any ideas what it is do i need it. if not how do i turn it off!! Cheers Patrick From chrisg at doladns.dola.wa.gov.au Mon Jan 14 12:24:51 2002 From: chrisg at doladns.dola.wa.gov.au (Chris Griffin) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:24:51 +0800 Subject: [plug] IPSec seminar Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20020114122446.00a98810@151.130.8.8> Do I just front or do I need to ring someone to attend? Regards, Chris G At 09:53 14/01/02 +0800, you wrote: >APANA (Australian Public Access Network Association Inc) is doing a free >seminar >on IPSec next Saturday at 10:30am at South Perth Church of Christ if anyone is >interested in attending. From gherardi at cs.curtin.edu.au Mon Jan 14 14:32:20 2002 From: gherardi at cs.curtin.edu.au (Carl Gherardi) Date: 14 Jan 2002 14:32:20 +0800 Subject: [plug] /dev/shm In-Reply-To: <13773DCBF9C83747AFB854C5C21E0761258877@wombat.perthix.net> References: <13773DCBF9C83747AFB854C5C21E0761258877@wombat.perthix.net> Message-ID: <1010989940.1517.1.camel@carlos> On Mon, 2002-01-14 at 12:12, Patrick Tehvand wrote: > I have just installed RH 7.2 on a Dell poweredge 1550. > > after many problems with the raid controllers i have now finished (YAY) > > but.. when i check the mount it has an entry > > /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) > > Any ideas what it is The shared memory device > do i need it. I'd say yes(though may be wrong) - type ipcs to see how many shared memory segments you are using Carl From anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com Mon Jan 14 15:12:09 2002 From: anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com (John Knight) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:12:09 +0800 Subject: [plug] I've got SuSE back!!! Message-ID: YippEEE!!!! Come and grab it Wayne, I'll bring it ti the next PLUG meeting I'm at (SuSE 7.3). seeya! :) anarchist tomato _________________________________________________________________ Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From plug at broometime.com Mon Jan 14 15:44:09 2002 From: plug at broometime.com (Bill Pickett) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:44:09 +0800 Subject: [plug] Squid problem -- RH7 Message-ID: Hi all When I try to add the line cache_dir /var/spool/squid 500 16 256 to my /etc/squid/squid.conf file and restart squid I get the following error Stopping squid: FATAL: Unknown cache_dir type '/var/spool/squid I have checked that the cache_dir exists and it does. Any ideas ? bp From T.Phillips at murdoch.edu.au Mon Jan 14 16:03:31 2002 From: T.Phillips at murdoch.edu.au (Trevor Phillips) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:03:31 +0800 Subject: [plug] Re: PLUG logo candidates References: <20020112123514.D1014@nikita.vic.bigpond.net.au> <4.2.0.58.20020110073406.0099b470@decisions-and-designs.com.au> <20020112123514.D1014@nikita.vic.bigpond.net.au> <4.2.0.58.20020112064024.009d2df0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> <20020112092609.GA19639@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <3C4290D3.5020603@murdoch.edu.au> James Bromberger wrote: > > From the Unplugged tag comes: > > http://www.james.rcpt.to/2002/plug-logo/tux-unplugged-complete.png I vote for this one, so far. ^_^ You could do a few shirt versions by rearranging the bits, but the Tux & guitar are very cool. -- . Trevor Phillips - http://jurai.murdoch.edu.au/ . : CWIS Systems Administrator - T.Phillips at murdoch.edu.au : | IT Services - Murdoch University | >--------------------------------------------------------------------< | On nights such as this, evil deeds are done. And good deeds, of / | course. But mostly evil, on the whole. / \ -- (Terry Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters) / From leon at lostrealm.com Mon Jan 14 16:13:47 2002 From: leon at lostrealm.com (Leon Blackwell) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:13:47 +0800 Subject: [plug] Squid problem -- RH7 In-Reply-To: ; from plug@broometime.com on Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 03:44:09PM +0800 References: Message-ID: <20020114161346.B5880@lostrealm.com> On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 03:44:09PM +0800, Bill Pickett wrote: > Stopping squid: FATAL: Unknown cache_dir type '/var/spool/squid As per the squid FAQ: http://www.squid-cache.org/Doc/FAQ/FAQ-11.html#ss11.38 ---8<--- 11.38 Unknown cache_dir type '/var/squid/cache' The format of the cache_dir option changed with version 2.3. It now takes a type argument. All you need to do is insert ufs in the line, like this: cache_dir ufs /var/squid/cache ... ---8<--- RTFM? :) -- Leon Blackwell | A nice thing about not planning is http://www.lostrealm.com/ | that failure comes as a complete jabber:Lionfire at lostrealm.com | surprise and is not preceeded by long | periods of worry and depression. From mullerc at iinet.net.au Mon Jan 14 16:13:45 2002 From: mullerc at iinet.net.au (Christian =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=FCller?=) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:13:45 +0800 Subject: [plug] Squid problem -- RH7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20020114161306.01d66da0@192.168.1.1> At 15:44 14/01/2002 +0800, you wrote: >Hi all > >When I try to add the line > >cache_dir /var/spool/squid 500 16 256 > >to my /etc/squid/squid.conf file and restart squid I get the following error > >Stopping squid: FATAL: Unknown cache_dir type '/var/spool/squid shouldn't this line be cache_dir /var/spool/squid/ 500 16 256 ? with the backslash behind the directory name? >I have checked that the cache_dir exists and it does. > >Any ideas ? > >bp From skribe at amber.com.au Mon Jan 14 16:38:39 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:38:39 +0800 Subject: [plug] Re: PLUG logo candidates In-Reply-To: <3C4290D3.5020603@murdoch.edu.au> References: <20020112123514.D1014@nikita.vic.bigpond.net.au> <20020112092609.GA19639@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <3C4290D3.5020603@murdoch.edu.au> Message-ID: <0201141638390I.01751@oberon.amber.com.au> On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:03, Trevor Phillips wrote: > I vote for this one, so far. ^_^ > You could do a few shirt versions by rearranging the bits, but the Tux & > guitar are very cool. I think we could do a few t-shirt versions if there is enough interest (we don't necessarily have to do them all in one lot either). Celine has also drawn up a few 'ideas' that while they wouldn't make good logos they would make fun t-shirts. skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 "Were there no women, men might live like gods." -- Thomas Dekker From plug at broometime.com Mon Jan 14 17:54:42 2002 From: plug at broometime.com (Bill Pickett) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:54:42 +0800 Subject: [plug] Squid problem -- RH7 In-Reply-To: <20020114161346.B5880@lostrealm.com> Message-ID: Thanks Leon This was the problem -- I'll take your advice onboard and RTFM next time -- I just knew one of you leet geeks in this forum would know the answer a lot faster -- after all this is what this forum seems to be for. Someone correct me if I am wrong. regards bp -----Original Message----- From: Leon Blackwell [mailto:leon at lostrealm.com] Sent: Monday, 14 January 2002 16:14 To: plug at plug.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [plug] Squid problem -- RH7 On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 03:44:09PM +0800, Bill Pickett wrote: > Stopping squid: FATAL: Unknown cache_dir type '/var/spool/squid As per the squid FAQ: http://www.squid-cache.org/Doc/FAQ/FAQ-11.html#ss11.38 ---8<--- 11.38 Unknown cache_dir type '/var/squid/cache' The format of the cache_dir option changed with version 2.3. It now takes a type argument. All you need to do is insert ufs in the line, like this: cache_dir ufs /var/squid/cache ... ---8<--- RTFM? :) -- Leon Blackwell | A nice thing about not planning is http://www.lostrealm.com/ | that failure comes as a complete jabber:Lionfire at lostrealm.com | surprise and is not preceeded by long | periods of worry and depression. From bob at contact.omen.com.au Mon Jan 14 18:14:23 2002 From: bob at contact.omen.com.au (bob) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:14:23 +0800 Subject: [plug] That's not a plug... THIS is a PLUG was:PLUG logo candidates Message-ID: <200201141812.1925586.6@contact.omen.com.au> Thought I'd throw my 2c in on the great logo debate. Erm... this may be considered a bit "norty" in some circles so if you're under age squint when you load the page. http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/tux.html Thanks to Skribe for hosting this for me. -- The only certainty is that nothing is certain. -- Pliny the Elder From ryan at prodigital.net.au Mon Jan 14 18:18:24 2002 From: ryan at prodigital.net.au (Ryan) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:18:24 +0800 Subject: [plug] That's not a plug... THIS is a PLUG was:PLUG logo candidates In-Reply-To: <200201141812.1925586.6@contact.omen.com.au> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020114181724.00a018d0@10.10.10.1> LOL, I want to see the socket now. Ryan At 06:14 PM 14/01/02 +0800, you wrote: >Thought I'd throw my 2c in on the great logo debate. > >Erm... this may be considered a bit "norty" in some circles so if you're >under age squint when you load the page. > >http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/tux.html > >Thanks to Skribe for hosting this for me. From davidatt at wachineseonline.com Mon Jan 14 19:49:54 2002 From: davidatt at wachineseonline.com (davidatt at wachineseonline.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:49:54 +0800 Subject: [plug] help me for scanner Message-ID: <20020114194954.A1289@darkstar.frop.org> can you help me what type of scanner i can get for slank ware 3.5 i have one at home and it is CanoScan N340p can i get on my sytem at all or witch one can. regards davi From marty at supine.com Tue Jan 15 08:22:39 2002 From: marty at supine.com (Martin) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:22:39 +1100 Subject: [plug] Squid problem -- RH7 In-Reply-To: References: <20020114161346.B5880@lostrealm.com> Message-ID: <20020115002239.GA12301@kevin.supine.com> $author = "Bill Pickett" ; > > This was the problem -- I'll take your advice onboard and RTFM next time -- > I just knew one of you leet geeks in this forum would know the answer a lot > faster -- after all this is what this forum seems to be for. Someone > correct me if I am wrong. this is a situation where a groups.google.com seach would have had you an answer within a few minutes without needing to ask the list... certainly a lot quicker and more efficient... save the curly questions for the list... ;) marty -- "To err is human, to forgive is not my policy. --root" - sig file on slashdot From wayne.vovil at ausi.com Tue Jan 15 08:41:37 2002 From: wayne.vovil at ausi.com (Wayne Vovil) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:41:37 -0800 Subject: [plug] I've got SuSE back!!! Message-ID: <200201150041.g0F0fbj10125@mail15.bigmailbox.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From colin at twobluedots.com.au Tue Jan 15 08:55:21 2002 From: colin at twobluedots.com.au (Colin Muller) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:55:21 +0800 Subject: [plug] Re: PLUG logo candidates In-Reply-To: <0201141638390I.01751@oberon.amber.com.au>; from skribe@amber.com.au on Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 04:38:39PM +0800 References: <20020112123514.D1014@nikita.vic.bigpond.net.au> <20020112092609.GA19639@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <3C4290D3.5020603@murdoch.edu.au> <0201141638390I.01751@oberon.amber.com.au> Message-ID: <20020115085521.B30961@twobluedots.com.au> It just occurred to me that someone's already done a whole lot of thinking about how to represent Perth and WA based organisations to the world, so I threw together a rough of this: http://www.twobluedots.com.au/plug/plug-logo-20020115.png Based on this: http://www.brandwa.com.au/design/business.html As the logo stands, it breaches the "silhouette" rule - but that could be fixed. Colin From T.Phillips at murdoch.edu.au Tue Jan 15 09:12:13 2002 From: T.Phillips at murdoch.edu.au (Trevor Phillips) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:12:13 +0800 Subject: [plug] Re: PLUG logo candidates References: <20020112123514.D1014@nikita.vic.bigpond.net.au> <20020112092609.GA19639@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <3C4290D3.5020603@murdoch.edu.au> <0201141638390I.01751@oberon.amber.com.au> <20020115085521.B30961@twobluedots.com.au> Message-ID: <3C4381ED.5050807@murdoch.edu.au> Colin Muller wrote: > It just occurred to me that someone's already done a whole lot of > thinking about how to represent Perth and WA based organisations to > the world, so I threw together a rough of this: > > http://www.twobluedots.com.au/plug/plug-logo-20020115.png > > Based on this: > http://www.brandwa.com.au/design/business.html Nice! I wouldn't have "PLUG" tattoo-ed on Tux though. Looks a bit strange. -- . Trevor Phillips - http://jurai.murdoch.edu.au/ . : CWIS Systems Administrator - T.Phillips at murdoch.edu.au : | IT Services - Murdoch University | >--------------------------------------------------------------------< | On nights such as this, evil deeds are done. And good deeds, of / | course. But mostly evil, on the whole. / \ -- (Terry Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters) / From tony at cantech.net.au Tue Jan 15 09:23:41 2002 From: tony at cantech.net.au (Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:23:41 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] help me for scanner In-Reply-To: <20020114194954.A1289@darkstar.frop.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 davidatt at wachineseonline.com wrote: > can you help me what type of scanner i can get for slank ware 3.5 There is a good list of supported scanners at: http://www.mostang.com/sane/sane-backends.html Although I thnk that slackware 3.5 is a little old :( > i have one at home and it is CanoScan N340p can i get on my sytem at all > or witch one can. Unfortunatly is doesn't look good for that scanner :( Yours Tony. /* * "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the * same level of thinking we were at when we created them." * --Albert Einstein */ From Andrew at mmtnetworks.com.au Tue Jan 15 13:27:21 2002 From: Andrew at mmtnetworks.com.au (Andrew Barbara) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:27:21 +0800 Subject: [plug] PPPD Message-ID: Hi Guys, I have this problem with one of our sites... There old hard drive crashed in a big way and i had to re-build there Linux server. I used RedHat 7.2 instead of the older version of Linux before. I copied the config files for PPPD dialin and out but the dialin doesent work from windows!! I tested it from one of our Linux boxes here and it works but not from win9X. here is the relevant log... pppd 2.4.1 started by a_ppp, uid 0 Jan 15 11:43:19 gateway pppd[12785]: Using interface ppp1 Jan 15 11:43:19 gateway pppd[12785]: Connect: ppp1 <--> /dev/ttyS0 Jan 15 11:43:22 gateway ppp(pam_unix)[12785]: session opened for user decordial1 by a_ppp(uid=0) Jan 15 11:43:22 gateway pppd[12785]: user decordial1 logged in Jan 15 11:43:52 gateway pppd[12785]: IPCP: timeout sending Config-Requests Jan 15 11:43:53 gateway pppd[12785]: Hangup (SIGHUP) Jan 15 11:43:53 gateway pppd[12785]: Modem hangup Jan 15 11:43:53 gateway ppp(pam_unix)[12785]: session closed for user decordial1 Jan 15 11:43:53 gateway pppd[12785]: Connection terminated. Jan 15 11:43:53 gateway pppd[12785]: Connect time 0.6 minutes. Jan 15 11:43:53 gateway pppd[12785]: Sent 310 bytes, received 0 bytes. Jan 15 11:43:53 gateway pppd[12785]: Exit. Could there be a version incompatability with ver 2.4.1? 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Tux would probably grip pretty well across the 'u' and the descending 'g' Yet another t-shirt / logo concept. cu Harry From rjp at belle.apana.org.au Tue Jan 15 13:26:39 2002 From: rjp at belle.apana.org.au (Russ Pitman) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:26:39 +0800 Subject: [plug] Duplicate mail Message-ID: <20020115052639.GA3249@belle.apana.org.au> Just had an address change etc. Is anyone else seeing dupes in their list mail? -- ----russ---- From leon at brooks.fdns.net Tue Jan 15 13:57:51 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:57:51 +0800 Subject: [plug] PPPD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020115055824.8BE65325776@mail.old-firestation.net> On Tuesday 15 January 2002 13:27, Andrew Barbara wrote: > decordial1 by a_ppp(uid=0) Jan 15 11:43:22 gateway pppd[12785]: user > decordial1 logged in > Jan 15 11:43:52 gateway pppd[12785]: IPCP: timeout sending Config-Requests Windows box appears to be using PAP. /etc/ppp/pap-secrets is filled in OK? Try disabling CHAP and explicitly enabling PAP (man pppd for details), also try asyncmap 0 and I'm sure I've seen that symptom somewhere before. Cheers; Leon From leon at brooks.fdns.net Tue Jan 15 13:59:02 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:59:02 +0800 Subject: [plug] help me for scanner In-Reply-To: <20020114194954.A1289@darkstar.frop.org> References: <20020114194954.A1289@darkstar.frop.org> Message-ID: <20020115055935.44D71325776@mail.old-firestation.net> On Monday 14 January 2002 19:49, davidatt at wachineseonline.com wrote: > can you help me what type of scanner i can get for slank ware 3.5 > i have one at home and it is CanoScan N340p can i get on my sytem at all > or witch one can. http://www.google.com/search?q=sane First link, BoC. (-: Cheers; Leon From Andrew at mmtnetworks.com.au Tue Jan 15 15:06:34 2002 From: Andrew at mmtnetworks.com.au (Andrew Barbara) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:06:34 +0800 Subject: [plug] re:PPPD Message-ID: Yes it was filled out correctly and CHAP was Disabled. I uninstalled PPPD 2.4.1 and installed 2.4.0 then dialed in with the windows box and it was all ok!! Andrew Barbara, MCP MMT Networks Pty Ltd http://www.mmtnetworks.com.au -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: TEXT.htm URL: From Andrew at mmtnetworks.com.au Tue Jan 15 15:08:48 2002 From: Andrew at mmtnetworks.com.au (Andrew Barbara) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:08:48 +0800 Subject: [plug] INIT Message-ID: Is there a way of refreashing the inittab when you make a change so you dont need to reboot all the time? 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Andrew Barbara, MCP MMT Networks Pty Ltd http://www.mmtnetworks.com.au From jensz at wn.com.au Tue Jan 15 14:34:01 2002 From: jensz at wn.com.au (Ben Jensz) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:34:01 +0800 Subject: [plug] INIT References: Message-ID: <002f01c19d8e$9ec063d0$0a00a8c0@infotech1> init q / Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Barbara" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 3:08 PM Subject: [plug] INIT Is there a way of refreashing the inittab when you make a change so you dont need to reboot all the time? Andrew Barbara, MCP MMT Networks Pty Ltd http://www.mmtnetworks.com.au From grahame at ucs.uwa.edu.au Tue Jan 15 14:35:23 2002 From: grahame at ucs.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: 15 Jan 2002 14:35:23 +0800 Subject: [plug] INIT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1011076523.17019.4.camel@typhaon> On Tue, 2002-01-15 at 15:08, Andrew Barbara wrote: > Is there a way of refreashing the inittab when you make a change so you dont need to reboot all the time? kill -HUP 1 usually works for me. -- Grahame Bowland Email: grahame at ucs.uwa.edu.au University Communications Services Phone: +61 8 9380 1175 The University of Western Australia Fax: +61 8 9380 1109 CRICOS: 00126G From bonfire at bur.st Tue Jan 15 14:59:49 2002 From: bonfire at bur.st (Paul Day) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:59:49 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] INIT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: 'telinit q' will tell INIT to re-examine it's config. PD On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Andrew Barbara wrote: > Is there a way of refreashing the inittab when you make a change so you dont need to reboot all the time? > > Andrew Barbara, MCP > MMT Networks Pty Ltd > http://www.mmtnetworks.com.au > -- Paul Day Web: www.bur.st/~bonfire From skribe at amber.com.au Tue Jan 15 17:26:47 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:26:47 +0800 Subject: [plug] Re: PLUG logo candidates In-Reply-To: <3C4381ED.5050807@murdoch.edu.au> References: <20020112123514.D1014@nikita.vic.bigpond.net.au> <20020115085521.B30961@twobluedots.com.au> <3C4381ED.5050807@murdoch.edu.au> Message-ID: <02011517264700.02124@oberon.amber.com.au> On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:12, Trevor Phillips wrote: > Nice! I wouldn't have "PLUG" tattoo-ed on Tux though. Looks a bit strange. I quite like this idea too. I've made a minor adjustment to keep it inline with the others in the series: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/PLUG-Logo4-colour-text.png Unfortunately, if we use this we may have to pay a licensing fee. http://www.brandwa.com.au/join/schedule.html skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 A public debt is a kind of anchor in the storm; but if the anchor be too heavy for the vessel, she will be sunk by that very weight which was intended for her preservation. -- Colton From leon at brooks.fdns.net Tue Jan 15 18:58:39 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:58:39 +0800 Subject: [plug] Clever little vegemites at work Message-ID: <20020115105915.0E9DC325776@mail.old-firestation.net> Google search for prices on a Sony DSC-F505 camera using the string: dscf505 price Google's suggested alternative: dsc f505 price How did it know where to break the string? Cheers; Leon From brian at paradigmit.com.au Tue Jan 15 19:01:01 2002 From: brian at paradigmit.com.au (Brian Tombleson) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:01:01 +0800 Subject: [plug] Clever little vegemites at work References: <20020115105915.0E9DC325776@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: <004c01c19db3$ebd22850$6400a8c0@brian> From: "Leon Brooks" > Google search for prices on a Sony DSC-F505 camera using the string: > dscf505 price > Google's suggested alternative: > dsc f505 price > How did it know where to break the string? > Cheers; Leon $s = substr($s,0,length($s)/2) . " " . substr($s,(length($s)/2)+1) if (length>5); Obviously, I'm not a very good golfer, but I'd guess at a variation on this basic algoritm. - Brian. From colin at twobluedots.com.au Tue Jan 15 19:19:56 2002 From: colin at twobluedots.com.au (Colin Muller) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:19:56 +0800 Subject: [plug] Re: PLUG logo candidates In-Reply-To: <02011517264700.02124@oberon.amber.com.au>; from skribe@amber.com.au on Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 05:26:47PM +0800 References: <20020112123514.D1014@nikita.vic.bigpond.net.au> <20020115085521.B30961@twobluedots.com.au> <3C4381ED.5050807@murdoch.edu.au> <02011517264700.02124@oberon.amber.com.au> Message-ID: <20020115191956.H30961@twobluedots.com.au> > I quite like this idea too. I've made a minor adjustment to keep it inline > with the others in the series: > > http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/PLUG-Logo4-colour-text.png Yep, that's getting more like it. > Unfortunately, if we use this we may have to pay a licensing fee. > > http://www.brandwa.com.au/join/schedule.html Having benefited from this list for a couple of years now without getting round to stumping up for membership, I'd be happy to sponsor or arrange sponsorship of that fee for the six months to the end of June. Perhaps after that the logo would be able to pay for the licence several times over annually through selling to Linux-friendly companies the right to use an "Official Sponsor of PLUG" statement along with the logo in their marketing material. Colin From anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com Tue Jan 15 19:42:33 2002 From: anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com (John Knight) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:42:33 +0800 Subject: [plug] I've got SuSE back!!! Message-ID: The 28th, but you can come round to our place to pick it up if ya like. nhoJ > >Great! When is the next meeting, Monday 28th Jan or Tues 12th Feb. I'm >confused. I have had lectures on Monday nights for the last two years, and >am enrolling again this semester; but I was going to change to Tue nights >so that I may attend PLUG meetings. So which night of the week is it??? > >Wayne > > > "John Knight" plug at plug.linux.org.au >[plug] I've got SuSE back!!!Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:12:09 +0800 > >Reply-To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > > > >YippEEE!!!! > > > >Come and grab it Wayne, I'll bring it ti the next PLUG meeting I'm at >(SuSE > >7.3). > > > >seeya! :) > >anarchist tomato > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > >http://www.hotmail.com > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------ >FREE EMAIL for all from AUSI at http://ausi.com Access world wide. > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From leon at lostrealm.com Tue Jan 15 21:10:15 2002 From: leon at lostrealm.com (Leon Blackwell) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:10:15 +0800 Subject: [plug] Clever little vegemites at work In-Reply-To: <20020115105915.0E9DC325776@mail.old-firestation.net>; from leon@brooks.fdns.net on Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 06:58:39PM +0800 References: <20020115105915.0E9DC325776@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: <20020115211014.A15077@lostrealm.com> On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 06:58:39PM +0800, Leon Brooks wrote: > How did it know where to break the string? At a guess, google would just be using a basic spelling check against a database of well-used terms (from it's rather extensive collection of webpages). Creation of these terms is part of the indexing process, as it needs to reduce the important ones to tokens to add to its data structures. So to google, it's just like you'd searched for 'dogcat', and it suggests 'dog cat'. Or perhaps 'leonbrooks' becomes 'leon brooks'. They're just terms(words) that it sees a lot of. String theory will tell you the rest, if you're really interested in how spell checkers find the best alternative when making suggestions (its usually done with an edit-distance metric). It's also quite possible that it biases its suggestions to searches with more hits, but that's and just a big guess on my part. -- Leon Blackwell | Do not meddle in the affairs of http://www.lostrealm.com/ | dragons, for you are crunchy and taste jabber:Lionfire at lostrealm.com | good with ketchup. From solhanna at dingoblue.net.au Tue Jan 15 22:40:02 2002 From: solhanna at dingoblue.net.au (Sol) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:40:02 +0800 Subject: [plug] automating tasks Message-ID: <3C443F42.7040906@dingoblue.net.au> Hi Pluggers, I've been reading some documentation about automating tasks with cron/anacron but I still don't seem to get it so I thought I might ask the experts. If I wanted to,say execute a command on a daily basis like "vacuumdb -a" at 3.21am, how would I do this? What if I wanted to restart a daemon on a weekly basis? Thanks, Sol From solhanna at dingoblue.net.au Tue Jan 15 22:49:53 2002 From: solhanna at dingoblue.net.au (Sol) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:49:53 +0800 Subject: [plug] Is it just me? Message-ID: <3C444191.9000901@dingoblue.net.au> Is it just me or has the internet been a little slow lately? Sol From erazmus at iinet.net.au Tue Jan 15 23:17:32 2002 From: erazmus at iinet.net.au (Mike) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:17:32 Subject: [plug] Is it just me? In-Reply-To: <3C444191.9000901@dingoblue.net.au> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20020115231732.59b71450@mail.iinet.net.au> At 10:49 PM 15/1/2002 +0800, you wrote: >Is it just me or has the internet been a little slow lately? > >Sol I can ' t r e m e m b e r sOb :( mike From macro at nathan.linux-dude.net Tue Jan 15 23:09:45 2002 From: macro at nathan.linux-dude.net (Nathan Alberti) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:09:45 +0800 Subject: [plug] Is it just me? References: <3C444191.9000901@dingoblue.net.au> Message-ID: <027801c19dd6$ab12e930$6401a8c0@nathan> Today has been fscked....slow as... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sol" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 10:49 PM Subject: [plug] Is it just me? > Is it just me or has the internet been a little slow lately? > > Sol > > From joel231 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 15 23:29:39 2002 From: joel231 at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Joel=20Fraser?=) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 02:29:39 +1100 (EST) Subject: [plug] Is it just me? In-Reply-To: <3C444191.9000901@dingoblue.net.au> Message-ID: <20020115152939.18814.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com> well i dont know about you but if u use bigpond you will know that it is always slow especially on dialup --- Sol wrote: > Is it just me or has the internet been a little slow lately? > > Sol > ===== http://my.yahoo.com.au - My Yahoo! - It's My Yahoo! Get your own! From kh at nelson.hedland.edu.au Tue Jan 15 23:47:44 2002 From: kh at nelson.hedland.edu.au (Kyle Hargraves) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:47:44 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] Apache.pm failed to load Message-ID: Althogh [root at ming guest]# find /usr/lib/perl5/ -name Apache.pm yields the following /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0/CGI/Apache.pm /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0/i386-linux/Apache.pm /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/CGI/Apache.pm /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/i386-linux/Bundle/Apache.pm /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/i386-linux/Apache.pm I really dont know why I'm getting the subject error. This boxi, incidently, has just been upgraded from 7.1 to 7.2 without incident Apparently, judging from the various archives, this is not a unique error yet I have't come across a solution as yet cheers, Kyle Hargraves From kh at nelson.hedland.edu.au Tue Jan 15 23:48:35 2002 From: kh at nelson.hedland.edu.au (Kyle Hargraves) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:48:35 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] Perl Module calling problem Message-ID: Hi, Just wondering if anyone could see what is going wrong here. The routine is complaining about not being able to find Wrap.pm and Head.pm Perl modules Wrap.pm and Head.pm are in the following directories [root at ming play]# find /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl -name Wrap.pm /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/Text/Wrap.pm [root at ming play]# find /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl -name Head.pm /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/MIME/Head.pm Taking a look at the errors (reproduced below) - i.e. at the relevant line numbers for a given file [root at ming play]# nl -ba /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/MIME/Entity.pm |grep 235 235 use MIME::Head; [root at ming play]# nl -ba /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/MIME/Head.pm |grep 116 116 use IO::Wrap; Reproducing the error : [root at ming play]# perl test_progs.pl Can't locate IO/Wrap.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0/i386-linux /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/i386-linux /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl .) at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/MIME/Head.pm line 116. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/MIME/Head.pm line 116. Compilation failed in require at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/MIME/Entity.pm line 235. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/MIME/Entity.pm line 235. Compilation failed in require at test_progs.pl line 3. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at test_progs.pl line 3. cheers, Kyle Hargraves From jason at mindsocket.com.au Wed Jan 16 00:01:26 2002 From: jason at mindsocket.com.au (Jason Nicholls) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:01:26 +0800 Subject: [plug] Perl Module calling problem In-Reply-To: ; from kh@nelson.hedland.edu.au on Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 11:48:35PM +0800 References: Message-ID: <20020116000126.G1231@nikita.vic.bigpond.net.au> On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 11:48:35PM +0800, Kyle Hargraves wrote: > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/Text/Wrap.pm > > Can't locate IO/Wrap.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0/i386-linux /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0 It's looking for (based on what is printed above as the INClude directories): /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0/IO/Wrap.pm or /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0/i386-linux/IO/Wrap.pm You have: /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0/Text/Wrap.pm See the difference? Perhaps you are missing the correct module, or it's in the wrong location. Later, Jason Nicholls -------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Nicholls icq: 11745841 email: Proprietor mobile: 0417 410 811 Mind Socket [web services] http://www.mindsocket.com.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ryan at prodigital.net.au Wed Jan 16 01:16:53 2002 From: ryan at prodigital.net.au (Ryan) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:16:53 +0800 Subject: [plug] automating tasks In-Reply-To: <3C443F42.7040906@dingoblue.net.au> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020116004952.022263f0@10.10.10.1> >If I wanted to,say execute a command on a daily basis like "vacuumdb -a" >at 3.21am, how would I do this? > >What if I wanted to restart a daemon on a weekly basis? Firstly have a look at: man 5 crontab That should be all I need to say :) however if you are feeling lazy or it is too early in the morning, read the rest ... Once you have that under your belt, have a look at your /etc/crontab file, it, along with the crontab(5) manpage should have enough examples to get you going, the first comment line says it all: #m h dom mon dow user command 25 6 * * * root test -e /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily 47 6 * * 7 root test -e /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.weekly 52 6 1 * * root test -e /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.monthly So to do what you asked in a crude and non-error checking way: 21 3 * * * foo vacuumdb -a 01 6 * * 7 root /etc/init.d/some_service restart Alternatively for the weekly one you can create an executable script in /etc/cron.weekly/ - cron will execute all scripts in that directory on a weekly basis as stated in the crontab file example above (6:47AM on the 7th day of the week). Likewise for the daily script if you don't want to control the EXACT time it gets run at. If the commands you run output to STDOUT, that output will normally get emailed to you. If you don't want this you can redirect the command to /dev/null and then you'll only get emailed drastic STDERR stuff. And remember to restart cron once you've made changes. HTH, Ryan From Jeremy at Malcolm.wattle.id.au Wed Jan 16 08:10:38 2002 From: Jeremy at Malcolm.wattle.id.au (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:10:38 +0800 Subject: [plug] IPSec seminar References: <5.0.2.1.2.20020114122446.00a98810@151.130.8.8> Message-ID: <3C44C4FE.D25BF0D3@Malcolm.wattle.id.au> Chris Griffin wrote: > > Do I just front or do I need to ring someone to attend? front -- JEREMY MALCOLM http://malcolm.wattle.id.au Providing online networks of Australian lawyers (http://www.ilaw.com.au) and Linux experts (http://www.linuxconsultants.com.au) for instant help! Disclaimer: http://www.terminus.net.au/disclaimer.html. GPG key: finger. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Russell.Hobman at watercorporation.com.au Wed Jan 16 13:54:14 2002 From: Russell.Hobman at watercorporation.com.au (Russell Hobman) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:54:14 +0800 Subject: [plug] [ot] good network PostScript laser printer with lpd Message-ID: <47E91C2E82EDD211A9980010E3621EADB4D470@SVNTBY1-03.watercorporation.com.au> Goodaye Craig, we are using mostly hp's on LAN. models are HP Laser Jet 4MV for up to A3 B&W or HP Laser Jet C5M for nice A3 color in both post script and regular. we have a Deskjet 2500CM but the color tints are a bit more pastel and it seems slower than other HP's. hth, Russell. > -----Original Message----- > From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au [SMTP:craig at postnewspapers.com.au] > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 1:47 PM > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: [plug] [ot] good network PostScript laser printer with lpd > > Hi > Just a quick question: any reccomendations for good network laser > printers? A3 or (even better) A3+ ("super A3), A3 & A4 feeder trays, > PostScript 2 or 3, lpr protocol support, AppleTalk support, etc. Ability > to deal with huge numbers of pages printed, and also with HUGE jobs > (30mb +). > I just don't deal with this stuff usually, but I was hoping someone on > plug does. > > -- > Craig Ringer > IT Manager, POST Newspapers > http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/ http://oberthur.dyndns.org/~craig/ > GPG Key Fingerprint: AF1C ABFE 7E64 E9C8 FC27 C16E D3CE CDC0 0E93 380D From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Wed Jan 16 14:08:50 2002 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (craig at postnewspapers.com.au) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:08:50 +0800 Subject: [plug] Reading NTBackup tapes under linux Message-ID: <20020116060850.GA5556@geek.localnet> Hi all Any ideas how one might go about data recovery from DDS2 DAT tapes created under Windows NT using NTBackup, when all you have access to is a DDS2 drive under linux? -- Craig Ringer IT Manager, POST Newspapers http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/ http://oberthur.dyndns.org/~craig/ GPG Key Fingerprint: AF1C ABFE 7E64 E9C8 FC27 C16E D3CE CDC0 0E93 380D -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tony at cantech.net.au Wed Jan 16 14:12:58 2002 From: tony at cantech.net.au (Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:12:58 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] Reading NTBackup tapes under linux In-Reply-To: <20020116060850.GA5556@geek.localnet> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 craig at postnewspapers.com.au wrote: > Hi all > Any ideas how one might go about data recovery from DDS2 DAT tapes > created under Windows NT using NTBackup, when all you have access to is > a DDS2 drive under linux? If you have no joy I have a DDS2 in a NT box, we should be able to get your data off and burn it to CD or export it as a cpio file readable by Linux Yours Tony. /* * "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the * same level of thinking we were at when we created them." * --Albert Einstein */ From brad at seme.com.au Wed Jan 16 14:12:29 2002 From: brad at seme.com.au (Brad Campbell) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:12:29 +0800 Subject: [plug] [ot] good network PostScript laser printer with lpd References: <20020116054758.GA5154@geek.localnet> Message-ID: <3C4519CD.3580AC56@seme.com.au> craig at postnewspapers.com.au wrote: > > Hi > Just a quick question: any reccomendations for good network laser > printers? A3 or (even better) A3+ ("super A3), A3 & A4 feeder trays, > PostScript 2 or 3, lpr protocol support, AppleTalk support, etc. Ability > to deal with huge numbers of pages printed, and also with HUGE jobs > (30mb +). > I just don't deal with this stuff usually, but I was hoping someone on > plug does. > We have a new Sharp photocopier that does all this, plus faxes, scans either to a word doc (Built in OCR) or straight to PDF. 1200 dpi optical resolution. Nice bit of kit actually. -- Brad.... /"\ Save the Forests \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN Burn a Greenie. X AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Wed Jan 16 14:33:49 2002 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 06:33:49 +0000 Subject: [plug] setting up to use reiserfs Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020116060839.009cb260@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Hello I've merrily setup my new system with partitions /, /boot, /tmp. /var, /usr, /usr/local, and /home. Then I loaded Lots Of Useful Stuff. This was the wrong approach because I wanted to use reiserfs. I've copied most of the partition contents to / through a /tmpsomething directory and umounted the partitions; all in runlevel 1. Edited fstab so they aren't going to reappear just yet. /usr is problematic because it's contents are much bigger than the / partition. I'll fall of that bridge when I get to it. Before I proceed, am I right in assuming I could not make /boot a reiserfs (I'm using lilo) and / is only 200MB so it'll fsck pretty fast and therefore not to bother ? ps Are these the wrong questions ? :-) All the best Harry From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Wed Jan 16 14:33:15 2002 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (craig at postnewspapers.com.au) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:33:15 +0800 Subject: [plug] web development In-Reply-To: <20020114110036.A5880@lostrealm.com> References: <200201120126.g0C1QqU14373@mail18.bigmailbox.com> <20020114110036.A5880@lostrealm.com> Message-ID: <20020116063315.GA5595@geek.localnet> > > My current work / home / not sleepy hours are devoted to COBOL > You poor deluded person, you :) Hey. There's good money in COBOL because so many old business programs are written in it, and nobody wants to work with it any more. Maintainers are hard to come by. And if you think COBOL is bad, take a look at Plain English (Pain Gibberish as far as I'm concerned), that's what _our_ apps are written in and I'd be overjoyed if it was even COBOL instead! -- Craig Ringer IT Manager, POST Newspapers http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/ http://oberthur.dyndns.org/~craig/ GPG Key Fingerprint: AF1C ABFE 7E64 E9C8 FC27 C16E D3CE CDC0 0E93 380D -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've copied > most of the partition contents to / through a /tmpsomething directory and > umounted the partitions; all in runlevel 1. > > Edited fstab so they aren't going to reappear just yet. > > /usr is problematic because it's contents are much bigger than the / > partition. I'll fall of that bridge when I get to it. > > Before I proceed, am I right in assuming I could not make /boot a reiserfs > (I'm using lilo) and / is only 200MB so it'll fsck pretty fast and > therefore not to bother ? > > ps Are these the wrong questions ? :-) You can make everything reiserfs as long as you have it either compiled into your kernel or in an initrd. Obviously your kernel needs to be able to mount the partition with kernel modules on it before it can load them. I'd check that the lilo you have can manage to read a kernel off a reiserfs partition. How are you going to go about converting from ext[23] -> reiserfs? AFAIK you'll have to copy everything off and reinitialise the partitions. Cheers, Grahame -- Grahame Bowland Email: grahame at ucs.uwa.edu.au University Communications Services Phone: +61 8 9380 1175 The University of Western Australia Fax: +61 8 9380 1109 CRICOS: 00126G From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Wed Jan 16 14:36:11 2002 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (craig at postnewspapers.com.au) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:36:11 +0800 Subject: [plug] Is it just me? In-Reply-To: <20020115152939.18814.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3C444191.9000901@dingoblue.net.au> <20020115152939.18814.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020116063610.GB5595@geek.localnet> > well i dont know about you but if u use bigpond you will know that it is > always slow especially on dialup Well, Cable is also painfully slow _for_cable_ . WWW only, mind you, it looks like BigPond's proxy servers are overloaded &/or badly configured. Once a connection opens it's fast enough but connections take forever to open. Frustrating, given that iiNet's ADSL (which I use at work) is just zippy all 'round. -- Craig Ringer IT Manager, POST Newspapers http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/ http://oberthur.dyndns.org/~craig/ GPG Key Fingerprint: AF1C ABFE 7E64 E9C8 FC27 C16E D3CE CDC0 0E93 380D -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Wed Jan 16 14:39:13 2002 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (craig at postnewspapers.com.au) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:39:13 +0800 Subject: [plug] [ot] good network PostScript laser printer with lpd In-Reply-To: <47E91C2E82EDD211A9980010E3621EADB4D470@SVNTBY1-03.watercorporation.com.au> References: <47E91C2E82EDD211A9980010E3621EADB4D470@SVNTBY1-03.watercorporation.com.au> Message-ID: <20020116063913.GC5595@geek.localnet> > Goodaye Craig, we are using mostly hp's on LAN. models are HP Laser Jet 4MV > for up to A3 B&W or HP Laser Jet C5M for nice A3 color in both post script > and regular. we have a Deskjet 2500CM but the color tints are a bit more > pastel and it seems slower than other HP's. hth, Russell. I _love_ the HP4MV series. We have 2 of them, they're our current network printers. We've worked them to death - and if you know 4MVs, you know just how impressive that is. They cost so much to keep running now it'll be cheaper to retire one of them. Glad to see someone else likes HP lasers. I've been thinking about just getting the updated model based on the 4MV if there is one. -- Craig Ringer IT Manager, POST Newspapers http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/ http://oberthur.dyndns.org/~craig/ GPG Key Fingerprint: AF1C ABFE 7E64 E9C8 FC27 C16E D3CE CDC0 0E93 380D -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From leon at lostrealm.com Wed Jan 16 14:46:01 2002 From: leon at lostrealm.com (Leon Blackwell) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:46:01 +0800 Subject: [plug] web development In-Reply-To: <20020116063315.GA5595@geek.localnet>; from craig@postnewspapers.com.au on Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 02:33:15PM +0800 References: <200201120126.g0C1QqU14373@mail18.bigmailbox.com> <20020114110036.A5880@lostrealm.com> <20020116063315.GA5595@geek.localnet> Message-ID: <20020116144600.C18083@lostrealm.com> On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 02:33:15PM +0800, craig at postnewspapers.com.au wrote: > Hey. There's good money in COBOL because so many old business programs > are written in it, and nobody wants to work with it any more. There's a reason no one wants to work with it anymore, you know :) > Maintainers are hard to come by. And if you think COBOL is bad, take a > look at Plain English (Pain Gibberish as far as I'm concerned), that's > what _our_ apps are written in and I'd be overjoyed if it was even COBOL > instead! Ah... point taken. You have my sympathies. -- Leon Blackwell | A nice thing about not planning is http://www.lostrealm.com/ | that failure comes as a complete jabber:Lionfire at lostrealm.com | surprise and is not preceeded by long | periods of worry and depression. From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Wed Jan 16 14:48:59 2002 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (craig at postnewspapers.com.au) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:48:59 +0800 Subject: [plug] setting up to use reiserfs In-Reply-To: <1011162983.17019.38.camel@typhaon> References: <4.2.0.58.20020116060839.009cb260@decisions-and-designs.com.au> <1011162983.17019.38.camel@typhaon> Message-ID: <20020116064858.GE5595@geek.localnet> > > Before I proceed, am I right in assuming I could not make /boot a reiserfs > > (I'm using lilo) and / is only 200MB so it'll fsck pretty fast and > > therefore not to bother ? You _can_ boot of a resiserfs /boot, you just need to make sure that in /etc/fstab you set the "notails" mount option. Less space-efficient for storing many small files but that's not an issue for /boot. You may as well make / reiserfs while you're at it, if you can be bothered. Easier if you use devfs though. > How are you going to go about converting from ext[23] -> reiserfs? AFAIK > you'll have to copy everything off and reinitialise the partitions. Ideally, borrow someone's spare harddisk and use it as working space to rebuild your filesystems. -- Craig Ringer IT Manager, POST Newspapers http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/ http://oberthur.dyndns.org/~craig/ GPG Key Fingerprint: AF1C ABFE 7E64 E9C8 FC27 C16E D3CE CDC0 0E93 380D -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Less space-efficient for > storing many small files but that's not an issue for /boot. > > You may as well make / reiserfs while you're at it, if you can be > bothered. Easier if you use devfs though. Ah. I knew reiserfs did tail packing, which means /vmlinuz isn't necessarily a contiguous group of blocks on the disk. Lilo just uses the offset into the disk and a length. It'd be cute if there was a "no tail packing" extended file attribute under reiserfs, then you could use tail packing but preserve files needed by lilo to boot. -- Grahame Bowland Email: grahame at ucs.uwa.edu.au University Communications Services Phone: +61 8 9380 1175 The University of Western Australia Fax: +61 8 9380 1109 CRICOS: 00126G From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Wed Jan 16 15:21:27 2002 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (craig at postnewspapers.com.au) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:21:27 +0800 Subject: [plug] setting up to use reiserfs In-Reply-To: <1011165150.17019.42.camel@typhaon> References: <4.2.0.58.20020116060839.009cb260@decisions-and-designs.com.au> <1011162983.17019.38.camel@typhaon> <20020116064858.GE5595@geek.localnet> <1011165150.17019.42.camel@typhaon> Message-ID: <20020116072127.GA6765@geek.localnet> > It'd be cute if there was a "no tail packing" extended file attribute > under reiserfs, then you could use tail packing but preserve files > needed by lilo to boot. Hmm... Normally I'm really leery of filesystem-specific file attributes, for obvious compatability-nightmare reasons, but a filesystem-specific attr for controlling an _internal_ filesystem function (not, say, extra auth bits or something nasty like that) could be ok. However, what about potential performance effects of this? -- Craig Ringer IT Manager, POST Newspapers http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/ http://oberthur.dyndns.org/~craig/ GPG Key Fingerprint: AF1C ABFE 7E64 E9C8 FC27 C16E D3CE CDC0 0E93 380D -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Wed Jan 16 15:31:06 2002 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:31:06 +0000 Subject: [plug] setting up to use reiserfs In-Reply-To: <1011162983.17019.38.camel@typhaon> References: <4.2.0.58.20020116060839.009cb260@decisions-and-designs.com.au> <4.2.0.58.20020116060839.009cb260@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020116070252.009d0e50@decisions-and-designs.com.au> At 06:36 16/01/02 , you wrote: >On Wed, 2002-01-16 at 14:33, Harry McNally wrote: > > Hello > > > > I've merrily setup my new system with partitions /, /boot, /tmp. /var, > > /usr, /usr/local, and /home. > > Then I loaded Lots Of Useful Stuff. > > > > This was the wrong approach because I wanted to use reiserfs. I've copied > > most of the partition contents to / through a /tmpsomething directory and > > umounted the partitions; all in runlevel 1. >You can make everything reiserfs as long as you have it either compiled >into your kernel or in an initrd. Obviously your kernel needs to be able >to mount the partition with kernel modules on it before it can load >them. > >I'd check that the lilo you have can manage to read a kernel off a >reiserfs partition. > >How are you going to go about converting from ext[23] -> reiserfs? AFAIK >you'll have to copy everything off and reinitialise the partitions. Yes. I'm part way down that path now. When I said Lots Of Useful Stuff it can all fit on the 200MB / partition except /usr (which now also contains /usr/local) But moving it was easy. Using /var as a for instance .. /# telinit 1 ... blah blah blah ... /# mkdir /tmpvar /# cd /tmpvar /tmpvar# cp -R -p /var/* . <- p is preserve attributes switch !! /tmpvar# umount /var /tmpvar# cd /var <- which is now the var on the / partition /var# cp -R -p /tmpvar/* . /var# ls -la ... files and dirs ... /var# rm -rf /tmpvar <- typed carefully Worked for me. Not unless someone uses the technical terms 'Arrrgh No!' on the list because this is the wrong approach. I'm not certain whether the cp switch -d should be used (preserve links) ... have I missed this and badly messed with some useful symbolic links ? I might wait for a response here because I haven't re-initialised the partitions yet so I can still have another go ... Thanks too Craig for the "notails" option. I may or may not get /boot and / across to reiserfs. Got to shuffle before I can tap dance. cu Harry From locutus at borg.apana.org.au Wed Jan 16 18:26:03 2002 From: locutus at borg.apana.org.au (John Breen) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:26:03 +0800 Subject: [plug] grabbing running apps Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020116182409.00b9a148@mail> I asked this before, but never got an answer :( If I am running an app on (say, tty1) and ssh to my box so that i'm on ttyp1, is there any way i can get the app to move from tty1 to ttyp1 so that I can manage it from there? cheers, jb -------------- next part -------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release Date: 2/01/2002 From ryan at prodigital.net.au Wed Jan 16 18:45:36 2002 From: ryan at prodigital.net.au (Ryan) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:45:36 +0800 Subject: [plug] grabbing running apps In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020116182409.00b9a148@mail> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020116183553.022b3ec0@10.10.10.1> >If I am running an app on (say, tty1) and ssh to my box so that i'm on >ttyp1, is there any way i can get the app to move from tty1 to ttyp1 so >that I can manage it from there? I don't know of a way to fully move it, but you can use 'screen' .. once run, screen presents you a standard looking shell and whatever you run in it can be detached and resumed at will by the same user on any tty. If you have a bad memory and forget to run processes via screen, setup and use ttysnoop, which has lots of other nice voyeuristic features: http://www.linuxhelp.net/guides/djg/ttysnoop.shtml Ryan From anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com Wed Jan 16 22:01:15 2002 From: anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com (John Knight) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:01:15 +0800 Subject: [plug] I've got SuSE back!!! Message-ID: Nah, Stoneville mate. 3505 Stoneville Rd. Stoneville 6081 Phone: 9295 1899 > >OK, what is the address? You're in Kalamunda aren't you? I can drop by pick >it up, make a copy 4 me, and a spare 4 u, if u wish. Then drop these back >to you. > >Wayne > > > > "John Knight" plug at plug.linux.org.au RE: >[plug] I've got SuSE back!!!Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:42:33 +0800 > >Reply-To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > > > >The 28th, but you can come round to our place to pick it up if ya like. > >nhoJ > > > >> > >>Great! When is the next meeting, Monday 28th Jan or Tues 12th Feb. I'm > >>confused. I have had lectures on Monday nights for the last two years, >and > >>am enrolling again this semester; but I was going to change to Tue >nights > >>so that I may attend PLUG meetings. So which night of the week is it??? > >> > >>Wayne > >> > >> > "John Knight" plug at plug.linux.org.au > >>[plug] I've got SuSE back!!!Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:12:09 +0800 > >> >Reply-To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > >> > > >> >YippEEE!!!! > >> > > >> >Come and grab it Wayne, I'll bring it ti the next PLUG meeting I'm at > >>(SuSE > >> >7.3). > >> > > >> >seeya! :) > >> >anarchist tomato > >> > > >> >_________________________________________________________________ > >> >Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > >> >http://www.hotmail.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>------------------------------------------------------------ > >>FREE EMAIL for all from AUSI at http://ausi.com Access world wide. > >> > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------ >FREE EMAIL for all from AUSI at http://ausi.com Access world wide. > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Adrian at Diskworld.com.au Wed Jan 16 22:30:35 2002 From: Adrian at Diskworld.com.au (Adrian Woodley) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:30:35 +0800 Subject: [plug] I've got SuSE back!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You're game, giving you address on list... You don't know what kind of wackos are out there! :) On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, John Knight wrote: > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:01:15 +0800 > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > From: "John Knight" > Reply-To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: RE: RE: [plug] I've got SuSE back!!! > > Nah, Stoneville mate. > > 3505 Stoneville Rd. Stoneville > 6081 > > Phone: 9295 1899 > > > > > >OK, what is the address? You're in Kalamunda aren't you? I can drop by > pick > >it up, make a copy 4 me, and a spare 4 u, if u wish. Then drop these > back > >to you. > > > >Wayne > > > > > > > "John Knight" plug at plug.linux.org.au > RE: > >[plug] I've got SuSE back!!!Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:42:33 +0800 > > >Reply-To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > > > > > >The 28th, but you can come round to our place to pick it up if ya > like. > > >nhoJ > > > > > >> > > >>Great! When is the next meeting, Monday 28th Jan or Tues 12th Feb. > I'm > > >>confused. I have had lectures on Monday nights for the last two > years, > >and > > >>am enrolling again this semester; but I was going to change to Tue > >nights > > >>so that I may attend PLUG meetings. So which night of the week is > it??? > > >> > > >>Wayne > > >> > > >> > "John Knight" > plug at plug.linux.org.au > > >>[plug] I've got SuSE back!!!Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:12:09 +0800 > > >> >Reply-To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > > >> > > > >> >YippEEE!!!! > > >> > > > >> >Come and grab it Wayne, I'll bring it ti the next PLUG meeting I'm > at > > >>(SuSE > > >> >7.3). > > >> > > > >> >seeya! :) > > >> >anarchist tomato > > >> > > > >> >_________________________________________________________________ > > >> >Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > >> >http://www.hotmail.com > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>------------------------------------------------------------ > > >>FREE EMAIL for all from AUSI at http://ausi.com Access world wide. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------ > >FREE EMAIL for all from AUSI at http://ausi.com Access world wide. > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > From michael.j.hunt at usa.net Wed Jan 16 22:58:07 2002 From: michael.j.hunt at usa.net (Michael Hunt) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:58:07 +0800 Subject: [plug] I've got SuSE back!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Adrian Woodley [mailto:Adrian at Diskworld.com.au] wrote: > You're game, giving you address on list... You don't know what kind of > wackos are out there! :) Yeah Leon Brooks may come a visiting :-) > On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, John Knight wrote: > > Nah, Stoneville mate. That's way out in the sticks anyway. From kh at nelson.hedland.edu.au Thu Jan 17 00:07:38 2002 From: kh at nelson.hedland.edu.au (Kyle Hargraves) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 00:07:38 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] Perl Module calling problem In-Reply-To: <20020116000126.G1231@nikita.vic.bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Jason Nicholls wrote: > > It's looking for (based on what is printed above as the INClude directories): > > /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0/IO/Wrap.pm thanks Jason - solved it. Just out of interest how can the INC be modified to include other directories - in a source file From shorty at matrix.net.au Thu Jan 17 00:21:45 2002 From: shorty at matrix.net.au (Shane Short) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 00:21:45 +0800 Subject: [plug] icradius compilation problems Message-ID: <000c01c19ea9$e54376f0$b2663fcb@spinfx> I'm having some problems compiling icradius on linux and FreeBSD.. here are the errors im getting, any help would be appreciated freebsd# make gcc -o radiusd radiusd.o dict.o files.o filters.o util.o md5.o attrprint.o acct.o radius.o pam.o log.o version.o proxy.o exec.o auth.o mysql.o timestr.o cache.o sql_module.o auth.o: In function `unix_pass': /usr/local/icradius-0.18.1/src/auth.c(.text+0x1dc): undefined reference to `crypt' auth.o: In function `rad_check_password': /usr/local/icradius-0.18.1/src/auth.c(.text+0x6c0): undefined reference to `crypt' cache.o: In function `H_unix_pass': /usr/local/icradius-0.18.1/src/cache.c:410: undefined reference to `crypt' sql_module.o: In function `sql_create_socket': /usr/local/icradius-0.18.1/src/sql_module.c(.text+0x53): undefined reference to `mysql_init' /usr/local/icradius-0.18.1/src/sql_module.c(.text+0xad): undefined reference to `mysql_real_connect' /usr/local/icradius-0.18.1/src/sql_module.c(.text+0x18e): undefined reference to `mysql_real_connect' sql_module.o: In function `sql_query': /usr/local/icradius-0.18.1/src/sql_module.c(.text+0x27e): undefined reference to `mysql_query' sql_module.o: In function `sql_select_query': /usr/local/icradius-0.18.1/src/sql_module.c(.text+0x2f2): undefined reference to `mysql_query' sql_module.o: In function `sql_store_result': /usr/local/icradius-0.18.1/src/sql_module.c:104: undefined reference to `mysql_store_result' /usr/local/icradius-0.18.1/src/sql_module.c:106: undefined reference to `mysql_error' sql_module.o: In function `sql_num_fields': /usr/local/icradius-0.18.1/src/sql_module.c(.text+0x3f6): undefined reference to `mysql_field_count' /usr/local/icradius-0.18.1/src/sql_module.c(.text+0x427): undefined reference to `mysql_error' sql_module.o: In function `sql_num_rows': /usr/local/icradius-0.18.1/src/sql_module.c(.text+0x47a): undefined reference to `mysql_num_rows' sql_module.o: In function `sql_fetch_row': /usr/local/icradius-0.18.1/src/sql_module.c(.text+0x4c2): undefined reference to `mysql_fetch_row' sql_module.o: In function `sql_free_result': /usr/local/icradius-0.18.1/src/sql_module.c:185: undefined reference to `mysql_free_result' sql_module.o: In function `sql_error': /usr/local/icradius-0.18.1/src/sql_module.c:202: undefined reference to `mysql_error' sql_module.o: In function `sql_close': /usr/local/icradius-0.18.1/src/sql_module.c(.text+0x569): undefined reference to `mysql_close' sql_module.o: In function `sql_affected_rows': /usr/local/icradius-0.18.1/src/sql_module.c:261: undefined reference to `mysql_affected_rows' sql_module.o: In function `sql_escape_string': /usr/local/icradius-0.18.1/src/sql_module.c:277: undefined reference to `mysql_real_escape_string' *** Error code 1 any ideas would be appreciated. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian at paradigmit.com.au Thu Jan 17 00:30:44 2002 From: brian at paradigmit.com.au (Brian Tombleson) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 00:30:44 +0800 Subject: [plug] Perl Module calling problem References: Message-ID: <019701c19eab$259e92b0$6400a8c0@brian> From: "Kyle Hargraves" > Just out of interest how can the INC be modified to include other > directories - in a source file [partly guessing] You can do a push(@INC,"/path/to/INC/dir"); .. this literally shoves the dir on the end of the INC list for this script only (not the whole environment). This is because @INC is a built-in array like @ARGV and populated on startup by the environment. You could also do things like .. use lib "/path/to/lib/dir"; .. to add a lib dir for latter searching by commands like .. require "MyPM.pm"; .. which essentially looks for the /path/to/lib/dir/MyPM.pm file (after searching for MyPM.pm in the other lib dirs). But this avoids the @INC issue altogether (for better or for worse - YMMV). If I've got this wrong, I'd appreciate someone letting me know as well. Perl doco is not particularly well sorted or searchable :( .. or maybe there's just too much of it in one hit. :-) HTH - Brian. From fostware at iinet.net.au Thu Jan 17 01:14:16 2002 From: fostware at iinet.net.au (Craig Foster) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 01:14:16 +0800 Subject: [plug] [ot] good network PostScript laser printer with lpd In-Reply-To: <20020116054758.GA5154@geek.localnet> Message-ID: If you do a lot of colour, try the Tektronix Solid Ink Phasers. The colours are vibrant, the ink blocks relatively inexpensive (Desktop Applications quotes 7c per 17% colour coverage from memory) compared to other colour lasers, but obviously more expensive than pure B&W. They will also quite happily handle 30MB postscript (yeah like that's sooo hard to find :) There is full lpr, telnet, ftp support, and DHCP of course... Mining companies love them, as they reproduce aerial photographs very well, with almost no colour profile support needed. The change buys them a cheap laser for the bosses desk, and last time I saw, the colour ink pack included black at no extra cost (from old price lists anyway). PS Mac, PC, and Unix lpr script comes on the CD. Wouldn't recommend it, if I didn't believe in it. Regards, Craig Foster Occasionally Macintosh Tech, alround Miracle Worker ;) (Hence the Desktop Apps suggestion) > -----Original Message----- > From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au > [mailto:craig at postnewspapers.com.au] > Sent: Wednesday, 16 January 2002 1:48 PM > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: [plug] [ot] good network PostScript laser printer with lpd > > > Hi > Just a quick question: any reccomendations for good network laser > printers? A3 or (even better) A3+ ("super A3), A3 & A4 feeder trays, > PostScript 2 or 3, lpr protocol support, AppleTalk support, > etc. Ability > to deal with huge numbers of pages printed, and also with HUGE jobs > (30mb +). > I just don't deal with this stuff usually, but I was hoping > someone on > plug does. > > -- > Craig Ringer > IT Manager, POST Newspapers > http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/ > http://oberthur.dyndns.org/~craig/ > GPG Key Fingerprint: AF1C ABFE 7E64 E9C8 FC27 C16E D3CE > CDC0 0E93 380D > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 2228 bytes Desc: not available URL: From christian at amnet.net.au Thu Jan 17 09:25:20 2002 From: christian at amnet.net.au (Christian) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:25:20 +0800 Subject: Re-attaching to GUI apps a la XP? (was Re: [plug] grabbing running apps) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020116183553.022b3ec0@10.10.10.1>; from ryan@prodigital.net.au on Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 06:45:36PM +0800 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020116182409.00b9a148@mail> <5.1.0.14.0.20020116183553.022b3ec0@10.10.10.1> Message-ID: <20020117092520.A22822@eagle.amnet.net.au> On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 06:45:36PM +0800, Ryan wrote: > I don't know of a way to fully move it, but you can use 'screen' .. once > run, screen presents you a standard looking shell and whatever you run in > it can be detached and resumed at will by the same user on any tty. If you > have a bad memory and forget to run processes via screen, setup and use > ttysnoop, which has lots of other nice voyeuristic features: I recently read about a feature in Windows XP that allows you to log in, run a GUI app, log out and have the app continue running in the background until the next time you log back in when you can continue using it. Does anyone know if there are any plans to do this under Linux/X11? Anyone with X11 programming experience suggest how it would be done? Something in the window manager, perhaps? -- DSA 0x2A0F80F3: 39F3 4E10 9BE9 E728 A9EE 029C D51D EE53 2A0F 80F3 From tony at cantech.net.au Thu Jan 17 09:41:21 2002 From: tony at cantech.net.au (Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:41:21 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] grabbing running apps In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020116182409.00b9a148@mail> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, John Breen wrote: > I asked this before, but never got an answer :( > > If I am running an app on (say, tty1) and ssh to my box so that i'm on > ttyp1, is there any way i can get the app to move from tty1 to ttyp1 so > that I can manage it from there? No you can't do what you're asking. the best work arround is "screen" Yours Tony. /* * "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the * same level of thinking we were at when we created them." * --Albert Einstein */ From tony at cantech.net.au Thu Jan 17 09:42:20 2002 From: tony at cantech.net.au (Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:42:20 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] icradius compilation problems In-Reply-To: <000c01c19ea9$e54376f0$b2663fcb@spinfx> Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Shane Short wrote: > I'm having some problems compiling icradius on linux and FreeBSD.. here are the errors im getting, any help would be appreciated You're missing the mysql headers and devel libraries. Yours Tony. /* * "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the * same level of thinking we were at when we created them." * --Albert Einstein */ From jensz at wn.com.au Thu Jan 17 09:42:08 2002 From: jensz at wn.com.au (Ben Jensz) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:42:08 +0800 Subject: Re-attaching to GUI apps a la XP? (was Re: [plug] grabbing running apps) References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020116182409.00b9a148@mail> <5.1.0.14.0.20020116183553.022b3ec0@10.10.10.1> <20020117092520.A22822@eagle.amnet.net.au> Message-ID: <000b01c19ef8$2d19ad20$0a00a8c0@infotech1> You don't technically logout with XP, you lock the workstation which brings you back to the login screen, but it notes that your user is still logged in. You can also login as another user whilst the user you locked the workstation as is still logged in with whatever programs they have running going. This of course would be a drain on memory having two users logged in with programs running. I dunno whether this works when you've got your XP machine a member of a domain or not, I'm using it without it being a member of a domain at the moment, I've gotta do some reading first before I get Samba to play nicely with XP.. or is that get XP to play nicely with Samba? :) / Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian" To: Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 9:25 AM Subject: Re-attaching to GUI apps a la XP? (was Re: [plug] grabbing running apps) > On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 06:45:36PM +0800, Ryan wrote: > > I don't know of a way to fully move it, but you can use 'screen' .. once > > run, screen presents you a standard looking shell and whatever you run in > > it can be detached and resumed at will by the same user on any tty. If you > > have a bad memory and forget to run processes via screen, setup and use > > ttysnoop, which has lots of other nice voyeuristic features: > > I recently read about a feature in Windows XP that allows you to log in, > run a GUI app, log out and have the app continue running in the > background until the next time you log back in when you can continue > using it. Does anyone know if there are any plans to do this under > Linux/X11? Anyone with X11 programming experience suggest how it would > be done? Something in the window manager, perhaps? > > -- > DSA 0x2A0F80F3: 39F3 4E10 9BE9 E728 A9EE 029C D51D EE53 2A0F 80F3 > From billk at iinet.net.au Thu Jan 17 10:00:05 2002 From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy) Date: 17 Jan 2002 10:00:05 +0800 Subject: Re-attaching to GUI apps a la XP? (was Re: [plug] grabbing running apps) In-Reply-To: <20020117092520.A22822@eagle.amnet.net.au> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020116182409.00b9a148@mail> <5.1.0.14.0.20020116183553.022b3ec0@10.10.10.1> <20020117092520.A22822@eagle.amnet.net.au> Message-ID: <1011232805.16346.5.camel@microarray> vnc - I run gui apps and then kill the client at home when I go to work - the server is left running. When I get to work, I run the client and (secure tunnel) to my home machine and on connection, the whole desktop is as I left it (except for changes due to the running apps of course). If your bandwidth can stand it, you can run kde etc and even run more than one server for multiple desktops. Top that XP! I also saw a "proxy X server" that could do something similar, but vnc is a lot more flexible. BillK On Thu, 2002-01-17 at 09:25, Christian wrote: > On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 06:45:36PM +0800, Ryan wrote: > > I don't know of a way to fully move it, but you can use 'screen' .. once > > run, screen presents you a standard looking shell and whatever you run in > > it can be detached and resumed at will by the same user on any tty. If you > > have a bad memory and forget to run processes via screen, setup and use > > ttysnoop, which has lots of other nice voyeuristic features: > > I recently read about a feature in Windows XP that allows you to log in, > run a GUI app, log out and have the app continue running in the > background until the next time you log back in when you can continue > using it. Does anyone know if there are any plans to do this under > Linux/X11? Anyone with X11 programming experience suggest how it would > be done? Something in the window manager, perhaps? > > -- > DSA 0x2A0F80F3: 39F3 4E10 9BE9 E728 A9EE 029C D51D EE53 2A0F 80F3 > From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Thu Jan 17 10:19:38 2002 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 02:19:38 +0000 Subject: [plug] Music needed Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020117014917.00a3e8b0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Hello We have come a fair way with the conf2003 video but for reasons of copyright it would be much easier to obtain some original local music and a band willing to allow us to use it on the promo and also stream it on the web. Are their any pluggers who are involved with a band or have a friend of a friend ? To describe the type of music: Think the opening bars of AC/DC "Let there be rock" .. only faster :) Because we have done a lot of speed up the whole thing will have a frantic pace. So anything that is thrash or thrash metal would be good although without vocals just fast, tight cords. I'd rather not have swampy bass and drum sound hence the reference to the AC/DC track. If these ppl have done a demo tape (or preferably DAT or CD) that would be very useful (understatement). And I'll need to get it as quick as so we have chosen the loops for editing this Sunday. They'll have to give us permission to use their material too. Help ! cu Harry From brian at paradigmit.com.au Thu Jan 17 10:28:18 2002 From: brian at paradigmit.com.au (Brian Tombleson) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:28:18 +0800 Subject: [plug] Music needed References: <4.2.0.58.20020117014917.00a3e8b0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <021701c19efe$a000e6e0$6400a8c0@brian> Err .. I *might* be able to help there .. I'll let you know. - Brian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry McNally" To: Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:19 AM Subject: [plug] Music needed > Hello > > We have come a fair way with the conf2003 video but for reasons of > copyright it would be much easier to obtain some original local music and a > band willing to allow us to use it on the promo and also stream it on the web. > > Are their any pluggers who are involved with a band or have a friend of a > friend ? > > To describe the type of music: > > Think the opening bars of AC/DC "Let there be rock" .. only faster :) > Because we have done a lot of speed up the whole thing will have a frantic > pace. > > So anything that is thrash or thrash metal would be good although without > vocals just fast, tight cords. I'd rather not have swampy bass and drum > sound hence the reference to the AC/DC track. > > If these ppl have done a demo tape (or preferably DAT or CD) that would be > very useful (understatement). And I'll need to get it as quick as so we > have chosen the loops for editing this Sunday. They'll have to give us > permission to use their material too. > > Help ! > > cu > Harry > > > From Patrick at perthix.net Thu Jan 17 11:00:45 2002 From: Patrick at perthix.net (Patrick Tehvand) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:00:45 +0800 Subject: [plug] redhat 7.2 server Message-ID: <13773DCBF9C83747AFB854C5C21E07612588A5@wombat.perthix.net> I am trying to locate a copy of Red Hat 7.2 server. anyone got one? cheers Patrick Tehvand From tony at cantech.net.au Thu Jan 17 11:17:29 2002 From: tony at cantech.net.au (Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:17:29 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] redhat 7.2 server In-Reply-To: <13773DCBF9C83747AFB854C5C21E07612588A5@wombat.perthix.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Patrick Tehvand wrote: > I am trying to locate a copy of Red Hat 7.2 server. I have ISO's for all 5 7.2 Disks Or LSWA will have it. Yours Tony. /* * "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the * same level of thinking we were at when we created them." * --Albert Einstein */ From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Thu Jan 17 11:19:16 2002 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (craig at postnewspapers.com.au) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:19:16 +0800 Subject: Re-attaching to GUI apps a la XP? (was Re: [plug] grabbing running apps) In-Reply-To: <20020117092520.A22822@eagle.amnet.net.au> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020116182409.00b9a148@mail> <5.1.0.14.0.20020116183553.022b3ec0@10.10.10.1> <20020117092520.A22822@eagle.amnet.net.au> Message-ID: <20020117031916.GB25352@geek.localnet> > using it. Does anyone know if there are any plans to do this under > Linux/X11? Anyone with X11 programming experience suggest how it would > be done? Something in the window manager, perhaps? The X11 protocol can't cope with that. Once a connection is established, thats it, and I really can't think of a way that it could be _moved_. However, you could achieve a similar effect using a few tricks. One would be to have an X11 proxy (as someone mentioned here) that accepts the client connection. The proxy has a client program that connects to your X server and forwards all requests. VNC works like this (X11->vnc), you'd just need to adapt the technique (if possible) to X11->X11 . X11Client -> ProxyXServer | ProxyXClient -> Real X Server Alternately if you only care about one or a few apps, it might be possible to split them into backend and front-end, with the front-end being an X client that connects to the back-end when loaded, and the back-end storing state. So you can quit the GUI of the app and reload it later w/o actually quitting the app proper. This would allow you to connect from different terminals. However, it requires _extensive_ changes to the app, so I don't think its practical. -- Craig Ringer IT Manager, POST Newspapers http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/ http://oberthur.dyndns.org/~craig/ GPG Key Fingerprint: AF1C ABFE 7E64 E9C8 FC27 C16E D3CE CDC0 0E93 380D -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Patrick at perthix.net Thu Jan 17 11:23:06 2002 From: Patrick at perthix.net (Patrick Tehvand) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:23:06 +0800 Subject: [plug] redhat 7.2 server Message-ID: <13773DCBF9C83747AFB854C5C21E07612588A9@wombat.perthix.net> cheers -----Original Message----- From: Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima [mailto:tony at cantech.net.au] Sent: Thursday, 17 January 2002 11:17 AM To: plug (E-mail) Subject: Re: [plug] redhat 7.2 server On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Patrick Tehvand wrote: > I am trying to locate a copy of Red Hat 7.2 server. I have ISO's for all 5 7.2 Disks Or LSWA will have it. Yours Tony. /* * "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the * same level of thinking we were at when we created them." * --Albert Einstein */ From chrisg at doladns.dola.wa.gov.au Thu Jan 17 13:05:45 2002 From: chrisg at doladns.dola.wa.gov.au (Chris Griffin) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:05:45 +0800 Subject: [plug] redhat 7.2 server In-Reply-To: References: <13773DCBF9C83747AFB854C5C21E07612588A5@wombat.perthix.net> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20020117125732.00ad91f0@151.130.8.8> Any chance of being able to get access to download those ISO's? At 11:17 17/01/02 +0800, you wrote: >On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Patrick Tehvand wrote: > > > I am trying to locate a copy of Red Hat 7.2 server. > >I have ISO's for all 5 7.2 Disks Or LSWA will have it. > > >Yours Tony. > >/* > * "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the > * same level of thinking we were at when we created them." > * --Albert Einstein > */ From tony at cantech.net.au Thu Jan 17 14:13:14 2002 From: tony at cantech.net.au (Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:13:14 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] redhat 7.2 server In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20020117125732.00ad91f0@151.130.8.8> Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Chris Griffin wrote: > Any chance of being able to get access to download those ISO's? accessable via http ftp and rsync @ ftp.cantech.net.au/pub/Linux/RedHat/redhat-7.2-en/iso Yours Tony. /* * "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the * same level of thinking we were at when we created them." * --Albert Einstein */ From wayne.vovil at ausi.com Thu Jan 17 14:12:54 2002 From: wayne.vovil at ausi.com (Wayne Vovil) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:12:54 -0800 Subject: [plug] I've got SuSE back!!! Message-ID: <200201170612.g0H6Csb00848@mail12.bigmailbox.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From chrisg at doladns.dola.wa.gov.au Thu Jan 17 14:26:42 2002 From: chrisg at doladns.dola.wa.gov.au (Chris Griffin) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:26:42 +0800 Subject: [plug] redhat 7.2 server In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.2.1.2.20020117125732.00ad91f0@151.130.8.8> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20020117142611.00ae07f0@151.130.8.8> Good stuff. Many thanks. Regards, Chris Griffin At 14:13 17/01/02 +0800, you wrote: >On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Chris Griffin wrote: > > > Any chance of being able to get access to download those ISO's? > >accessable via http ftp and rsync @ >ftp.cantech.net.au/pub/Linux/RedHat/redhat-7.2-en/iso > >Yours Tony. > >/* > * "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the > * same level of thinking we were at when we created them." > * --Albert Einstein > */ From leon at brooks.fdns.net Thu Jan 17 16:43:02 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:43:02 +0800 Subject: [plug] Music needed References: <4.2.0.58.20020117014917.00a3e8b0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <3C468E96.6090706@brooks.fdns.net> Harry McNally wrote: > If these ppl have done a demo tape (or preferably DAT or CD) that would > be very useful (understatement). And I'll need to get it as quick as so > we have chosen the loops for editing this Sunday. They'll have to give > us permission to use their material too. ...and in return will get credits on the video and be heard (by a limited audience) around the world. Cheers; Leon From leon at brooks.fdns.net Thu Jan 17 16:44:43 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:44:43 +0800 Subject: Re-attaching to GUI apps a la XP? (was Re: [plug] grabbing running apps) References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020116182409.00b9a148@mail> <5.1.0.14.0.20020116183553.022b3ec0@10.10.10.1> <20020117092520.A22822@eagle.amnet.net.au> <20020117031916.GB25352@geek.localnet> Message-ID: <3C468EFB.2040600@brooks.fdns.net> craig at postnewspapers.com.au wrote: > The X11 protocol can't cope with that. Once a connection is established, > thats it, and I really can't think of a way that it could be _moved_. Not moved but kind-of hijacked: FreshMeat recently mentioned a VNC server that doesn't sieze the display, so you could tap into an existing session using that. Cheers; Leon From leon at brooks.fdns.net Thu Jan 17 16:53:32 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:53:32 +0800 Subject: Re-attaching to GUI apps a la XP? (was Re: [plug] grabbing running apps) References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020116182409.00b9a148@mail> <5.1.0.14.0.20020116183553.022b3ec0@10.10.10.1> <20020117092520.A22822@eagle.amnet.net.au> Message-ID: <3C46910C.4050104@brooks.fdns.net> Christian wrote: > I recently read about a feature in Windows XP that allows you to log in, > run a GUI app, log out and have the app continue running in the > background until the next time you log back in when you can continue > using it. Does anyone know if there are any plans to do this under > Linux/X11? Anyone with X11 programming experience suggest how it would > be done? Something in the window manager, perhaps? You could do it clumsily with a whole session now buy running it in the virtual version of X (which ``displays'' to memory) and using VNC or the like to get at it. You could also code this into a WM relatively (ooh, the evil hidden behind that word!) easily, since the VM could leave a stub running (without any actual X server) which convinced the app that it was still around and running minimised, then attach to whichever X server was available. I wonder if there is a way of combining this intelligently with aalib to (clumsily) run an X app on a text terminal/console (or ssh session). Xv and Xnext could be joined by Xtty (rather than Xaa which would promptly get confused with XAA) - which you'd run as ``quake.exe'' to make it go faster. :-) Cheers; Leon From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Thu Jan 17 18:40:45 2002 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:40:45 +0000 Subject: [plug] Gaming question Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020117102955.009d5e70@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Hello Are there any PLUG ppl who play and/or have access to Carmageddon 2 ? Would you mind contacting me off-list ? It relates to the LCA2003 promo video. All the best Harry From michael.j.hunt at usa.net Thu Jan 17 18:37:52 2002 From: michael.j.hunt at usa.net (Michael Hunt) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:37:52 +0800 Subject: [plug] [ot] good network PostScript laser printer with lpd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Craig Foster [mailto:fostware at iinet.net.au] wrote: > If you do a lot of colour, try the Tektronix Solid Ink Phasers. The > colours are vibrant, the ink blocks relatively inexpensive (Desktop > Applications quotes 7c per 17% colour coverage from memory) compared to > other colour lasers, but obviously more expensive than pure B&W. > They will also quite happily handle 30MB postscript (yeah like that's sooo > hard to find :) > There is full lpr, telnet, ftp support, and DHCP of course... > > Mining companies love them, as they reproduce aerial photographs very > well, with almost no colour profile support needed. The change buys them a > cheap laser for the bosses desk, and last time I saw, the colour ink pack > included black at no extra cost (from old price lists anyway). > > PS Mac, PC, and Unix lpr script comes on the CD. > > Wouldn't recommend it, if I didn't believe in it. > > > Regards, > > Craig Foster > Occasionally Macintosh Tech, alround Miracle Worker ;) > (Hence the Desktop Apps suggestion) And who is a good supplier around town. At what price ???? Michael Hunt From michael.j.hunt at usa.net Thu Jan 17 18:46:16 2002 From: michael.j.hunt at usa.net (Michael Hunt) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:46:16 +0800 Subject: [plug] Increasing Wireless strength on Linksys access points. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: For those who are into wireless networking check out the linksys access points. I've gota get me one of these !!! http://www.wi2600.org/mediawhore/nf0/wireless/docs/802.11/WAP11/fun_with_the _wap11.txt Michael Hunt From fostware at iinet.net.au Thu Jan 17 20:02:17 2002 From: fostware at iinet.net.au (Craig Foster) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 20:02:17 +0800 Subject: [plug] [ot] good network PostScript laser printer with lpd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Seeing as Tektronix isn't doing the printers anymore (It's still under the Tektronix / Xerox Phaser label though) I'll let you off... Tektronix web site kicks you to here for printers - http://www.officeprinting.xerox.com/ And WA specific service / sales agents - Fuji Xerox Phaser Printing Australia Phone: 1805 811-177 Fax: (61) 02 9415 0431 Printers Serviced: Phaser 850, 840, 780, 750, 740,600, 560, 550, 540, 380, 360, 350, 340, other ComputerCORP Pty Ltd Phone: (61) 08 9424 4445 Fax: (61) 08 9322 1269 Printers Serviced: Phaser 850, 840, 780, 750, 740, 560, 550, 540, 380, 360, 350, 340 www.computercorp.com.au Desktop Applications Phone: (61) 08 9322 6789 Fax: (61) 08 9322 6770 Printers Serviced: Phaser 560, 550, 540, 380, 360, 350, 340 www.desktopapplications.com.au in case you can get dealer prices... Corporate Express Australia Limited Phone: (61) 03 6234-7666 Fax: (61) 03 6273-9691 Printers Serviced: Phaser 380, 360, 350, 340 > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Hunt [mailto:michael.j.hunt at usa.net] > Sent: Thursday, 17 January 2002 6:38 PM > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: RE: [plug] [ot] good network PostScript laser > printer with lpd > > > Craig Foster [mailto:fostware at iinet.net.au] wrote: > inexpensive (Desktop Applications quotes 7c per 17% colour coverage > > Regards, > > > > Craig Foster > > Occasionally Macintosh Tech, alround Miracle Worker ;) > > (Hence the Desktop Apps suggestion) > And who is a good supplier around town. At what price ???? > > Michael Hunt Happy to help :) Craig Foster -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 2228 bytes Desc: not available URL: From anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com Thu Jan 17 21:32:46 2002 From: anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com (John Knight) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 21:32:46 +0800 Subject: [plug] I've got SuSE back!!! Message-ID: They're Linux users, so I trust 'em. > >You're game, giving you address on list... You don't know what kind of >wackos are out there! :) > >On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, John Knight wrote: > > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:01:15 +0800 > > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > > From: "John Knight" > > Reply-To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > > Subject: RE: RE: [plug] I've got SuSE back!!! > > > > Nah, Stoneville mate. > > > > 3505 Stoneville Rd. Stoneville > > 6081 > > > > Phone: 9295 1899 > > > > > > > > > >OK, what is the address? You're in Kalamunda aren't you? I can drop by > > pick > > >it up, make a copy 4 me, and a spare 4 u, if u wish. Then drop these > > back > > >to you. > > > > > >Wayne > > > > > > > > > > "John Knight" plug at plug.linux.org.au > > RE: > > >[plug] I've got SuSE back!!!Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:42:33 +0800 > > > >Reply-To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > > > > > > > >The 28th, but you can come round to our place to pick it up if ya > > like. > > > >nhoJ > > > > > > > >> > > > >>Great! When is the next meeting, Monday 28th Jan or Tues 12th Feb. > > I'm > > > >>confused. I have had lectures on Monday nights for the last two > > years, > > >and > > > >>am enrolling again this semester; but I was going to change to Tue > > >nights > > > >>so that I may attend PLUG meetings. So which night of the week is > > it??? > > > >> > > > >>Wayne > > > >> > > > >> > "John Knight" > > plug at plug.linux.org.au > > > >>[plug] I've got SuSE back!!!Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:12:09 +0800 > > > >> >Reply-To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > > > >> > > > > >> >YippEEE!!!! > > > >> > > > > >> >Come and grab it Wayne, I'll bring it ti the next PLUG meeting I'm > > at > > > >>(SuSE > > > >> >7.3). > > > >> > > > > >> >seeya! :) > > > >> >anarchist tomato > > > >> > > > > >> >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >> >Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > > >> >http://www.hotmail.com > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >>FREE EMAIL for all from AUSI at http://ausi.com Access world >wide. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > > >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------ > > >FREE EMAIL for all from AUSI at http://ausi.com Access world wide. > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com Thu Jan 17 21:46:58 2002 From: anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com (John Knight) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 21:46:58 +0800 Subject: [plug] xp sharing Message-ID: Hey up! :) I've got the hideous problem of an XP box being a gateway, instead of the other way round (and no, I can't change that in the immediate future!). Would someone please give me instructions on how to get Linux to use the connection through Pete's XP gateway (windoze shares with it fine)? If someone like Woodlers could actually pop round, that'd be fecking cool, but that's a bit of an ask! cheers guys! anarchist tomato _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From macro at nathan.linux-dude.net Thu Jan 17 21:48:13 2002 From: macro at nathan.linux-dude.net (Nathan Alberti) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 21:48:13 +0800 Subject: [plug] Increasing Wireless strength on Linksys access points. References: <001901c19f5d$30731d70$8501a8c0@nathan> Message-ID: <002401c19f5d$9daed460$8501a8c0@nathan> Been meaning to try this out since I saw the article on slashdot.....finally got it together and did it just now...results are impressive. Regards, Nathan ----- Original Message ----- > For those who are into wireless networking check out the linksys access > points. I've gota get me one of these !!! > > http://www.wi2600.org/mediawhore/nf0/wireless/docs/802.11/WAP11/fun_with_the > _wap11.txt > > Michael Hunt > > > > > From anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com Thu Jan 17 21:56:29 2002 From: anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com (John Knight) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 21:56:29 +0800 Subject: [plug] I've got SuSE back!!! Message-ID: You're in luck, I'm going, along with one or two mates. What time would you be there (judging by when we wake up, I'd be there at about 11!)? Otherwise, those times should be fine. seeya! > >Hi > >On Sat 19th I shall be at the Computer Fair (Fair - I'd rate it Poor!) at >Cannington Dog Track 0900-1200. If you are attending, maybe you could bring >it. Otherwise, would it be OK to make my way to your address then arriving >between 12;45 AND 13:30)? > >Wayne > > > "John Knight" plug at plug.linux.org.au RE: >RE: [plug] I've got SuSE back!!!Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:01:15 +0800 > >Reply-To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > > > >Nah, Stoneville mate. > > > >3505 Stoneville Rd. Stoneville > >6081 > > > >Phone: 9295 1899 > > > > > >> > >>OK, what is the address? You're in Kalamunda aren't you? I can drop by >pick > >>it up, make a copy 4 me, and a spare 4 u, if u wish. Then drop these >back > >>to you. > >> > >>Wayne > >> > >> > >> > "John Knight" plug at plug.linux.org.au >RE: > >>[plug] I've got SuSE back!!!Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:42:33 +0800 > >> >Reply-To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > >> > > >> >The 28th, but you can come round to our place to pick it up if ya >like. > >> >nhoJ > >> > > >> >> > >> >>Great! When is the next meeting, Monday 28th Jan or Tues 12th Feb. >I'm > >> >>confused. I have had lectures on Monday nights for the last two >years, > >>and > >> >>am enrolling again this semester; but I was going to change to Tue > >>nights > >> >>so that I may attend PLUG meetings. So which night of the week is >it??? > >> >> > >> >>Wayne > >> >> > >> >> > "John Knight" >plug at plug.linux.org.au > >> >>[plug] I've got SuSE back!!!Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:12:09 +0800 > >> >> >Reply-To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > >> >> > > >> >> >YippEEE!!!! > >> >> > > >> >> >Come and grab it Wayne, I'll bring it ti the next PLUG meeting I'm >at > >> >>(SuSE > >> >> >7.3). > >> >> > > >> >> >seeya! :) > >> >> >anarchist tomato > >> >> > > >> >> >_________________________________________________________________ > >> >> >Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > >> >> >http://www.hotmail.com > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>------------------------------------------------------------ > >> >>FREE EMAIL for all from AUSI at http://ausi.com Access world wide. > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >_________________________________________________________________ > >> >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > >> >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>------------------------------------------------------------ > >>FREE EMAIL for all from AUSI at http://ausi.com Access world wide. > >> > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------ >FREE EMAIL for all from AUSI at http://ausi.com Access world wide. > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From skribe at amber.com.au Thu Jan 17 22:06:12 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:06:12 +0800 Subject: [plug] I've got SuSE back!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02011722061202.05567@oberon.amber.com.au> On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 21:56, John Knight wrote: > You're in luck, I'm going, along with one or two mates. What time would you > be there (judging by when we wake up, I'd be there at about 11!)? > Otherwise, those times should be fine. As enjoyable as this long-running soap opera is, is there a chance it might be taken to private email? skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 "If you want the best things to happen in corporate life you have to find ways to be hospitable to the unusual person. You don't get innovation as a democratic process. You almost get it as an anti-democratic process. Certainly you get it as an anthitetical process, so you have to have an environment where the body of people are really amenable to change and can deal with the conflicts that arise out of change an innovation." -- Max DePree, chairman and CEO of Herman Miller Inc., "Herman Miller's Secrets of Corporate Creativity", The Wall Street Journal, May 3, 1988 From anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com Thu Jan 17 22:59:22 2002 From: anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com (John Knight) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:59:22 +0800 Subject: [plug] I've got SuSE back!!! Message-ID: I agree. Reach me at anarchist_tomato at herzeleid.net. > >As enjoyable as this long-running soap opera is, is there a chance it might >be taken to private email? > >skribe >-- >Public key information available at: >http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html >Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 > >"If you want the best things to happen in corporate life you have to find >ways >to be hospitable to the unusual person. You don't get innovation as a >democratic process. You almost get it as an anti-democratic process. >Certainly you get it as an anthitetical process, so you have to have an >environment where the body of people are really amenable to change and can >deal with the conflicts that arise out of change an innovation." >-- Max DePree, chairman and CEO of Herman Miller Inc., > "Herman Miller's Secrets of Corporate Creativity", > The Wall Street Journal, May 3, 1988 > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From alan.graham at infonetsystems.com.au Thu Jan 17 11:03:56 2002 From: alan.graham at infonetsystems.com.au (Alan Graham) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:03:56 +0800 Subject: [plug] Anyone seen this particular attack pattern before? Message-ID: <000501c19f03$9adede60$1801a8c0@bart> I've just set up a web server on my firewall, to show some photo's of the kids to my folks in England. Within a few days, I started seeing this attack. It comes in regularly, from a lot of different IP's, and it's obviously aimed at NT IIS. Ha. I'm thinking it's a well known scripted attack, or posibly a zombied attack? There's a pause of about 5 minutes between each attack. The pisser is that most of the hosts appear to be within iinet. I suppose I'd better let them know too. Can anyone tell me any more about it? Extract of access_log "GET /scripts/root.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 282 "-" "-" "GET /MSADC/root.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 280 "-" "-" "GET /c/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 290 "-" "-" "GET /d/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 290 "-" "-" "GET /scripts/..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 304 "-" "-" "GET /_vti_bin/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 321 "-" "-" "GET /_mem_bin/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 321 "-" "-" "GET /msadc/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c/..%c1%1c../..%c1%1c../..%c1%1c../winnt/sy stem32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 337 "-" "-" "GET /scripts/..%c1%1c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 303 "-" "-" "GET /scripts/..%c0%2f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 303 "-" "-" "GET /scripts/..%c0%af../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 303 "-" "-" "GET /scripts/..%c1%9c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 303 "-" "-" "GET /scripts/..%%35%63../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 400 287 "-" "-" "GET /scripts/..%%35c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 400 287 "-" "-" "GET /scripts/..%25%35%63../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 304 "-" "-" "GET /scripts/..%252f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 304 "-" "-" Regards Alan Graham From alan.graham at infonetsystems.com.au Thu Jan 17 11:17:32 2002 From: alan.graham at infonetsystems.com.au (Alan Graham) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:17:32 +0800 Subject: [plug] Anyone seen this particular attack pattern before? References: <000501c19f03$9adede60$1801a8c0@bart> Message-ID: <002001c19f05$80f6df00$1801a8c0@bart> Apologies, I should have done more research. It's NIMDA. Anyone have an answer to NIMDA? Or is it just something we have to put up with until it dies out? I'm getting a few hundred hits a day. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Graham To: Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 11:03 AM Subject: [plug] Anyone seen this particular attack pattern before? > I've just set up a web server on my firewall, to show some photo's of the > kids to my folks in England. Within a few days, I started seeing this > attack. It comes in regularly, from a lot of different IP's, and it's > obviously aimed at NT IIS. Ha. I'm thinking it's a well known scripted > attack, or posibly a zombied attack? There's a pause of about 5 minutes > between each attack. The pisser is that most of the hosts appear to be > within iinet. I suppose I'd better let them know too. > > Can anyone tell me any more about it? > > Extract of access_log > "GET /scripts/root.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 282 "-" "-" > "GET /MSADC/root.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 280 "-" "-" > "GET /c/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 290 "-" "-" > "GET /d/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 290 "-" "-" > "GET /scripts/..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 304 "-" > "-" > "GET /_vti_bin/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir > HTTP/1.0" 404 321 "-" "-" > "GET /_mem_bin/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir > HTTP/1.0" 404 321 "-" "-" > "GET > /msadc/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c/..%c1%1c../..%c1%1c../..%c1%1c../winnt/sy > stem32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 337 "-" "-" > "GET /scripts/..%c1%1c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 303 "-" > "-" > "GET /scripts/..%c0%2f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 303 "-" > "-" > "GET /scripts/..%c0%af../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 303 "-" > "-" > "GET /scripts/..%c1%9c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 303 "-" > "-" > "GET /scripts/..%%35%63../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 400 287 > "-" "-" > "GET /scripts/..%%35c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 400 287 "-" > "-" > "GET /scripts/..%25%35%63../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 304 > "-" "-" > "GET /scripts/..%252f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 304 "-" > "-" > > Regards > > Alan Graham > > From erazmus at iinet.net.au Thu Jan 17 23:36:16 2002 From: erazmus at iinet.net.au (Mike) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 23:36:16 Subject: [plug] Anyone seen this particular attack pattern before? In-Reply-To: <002001c19f05$80f6df00$1801a8c0@bart> References: <000501c19f03$9adede60$1801a8c0@bart> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20020117233616.5ad77c12@mail.iinet.net.au> maybe set up a script to email the 'responsibleperson at domain.???' as a means to 'close the loop' and pro-act the dying out rather then just wait for the normal exponential curve with dither ;) Gee ain't quantum statistics great, rgds mike At 11:17 AM 17/1/2002 +0800, you wrote: >Apologies, I should have done more research. It's NIMDA. > >Anyone have an answer to NIMDA? Or is it just something we have to put up >with until it dies out? I'm getting a few hundred hits a day. > >Alan >----- Original Message ----- >From: Alan Graham >To: >Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 11:03 AM >Subject: [plug] Anyone seen this particular attack pattern before? > > >> I've just set up a web server on my firewall, to show some photo's of the >> kids to my folks in England. Within a few days, I started seeing this >> attack. It comes in regularly, from a lot of different IP's, and it's >> obviously aimed at NT IIS. Ha. I'm thinking it's a well known scripted >> attack, or posibly a zombied attack? There's a pause of about 5 minutes >> between each attack. The pisser is that most of the hosts appear to be >> within iinet. I suppose I'd better let them know too. >> >> Can anyone tell me any more about it? >> >> Extract of access_log >> "GET /scripts/root.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 282 "-" "-" >> "GET /MSADC/root.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 280 "-" "-" >> "GET /c/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 290 "-" "-" >> "GET /d/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 290 "-" "-" >> "GET /scripts/..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 304 >"-" >> "-" >> "GET /_vti_bin/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir >> HTTP/1.0" 404 321 "-" "-" >> "GET /_mem_bin/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir >> HTTP/1.0" 404 321 "-" "-" >> "GET >> >/msadc/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c/..%c1%1c../..%c1%1c../..%c1%1c../winnt/sy >> stem32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 337 "-" "-" >> "GET /scripts/..%c1%1c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 303 >"-" >> "-" >> "GET /scripts/..%c0%2f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 303 >"-" >> "-" >> "GET /scripts/..%c0%af../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 303 >"-" >> "-" >> "GET /scripts/..%c1%9c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 303 >"-" >> "-" >> "GET /scripts/..%%35%63../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 400 287 >> "-" "-" >> "GET /scripts/..%%35c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 400 287 >"-" >> "-" >> "GET /scripts/..%25%35%63../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 >304 >> "-" "-" >> "GET /scripts/..%252f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 304 >"-" >> "-" >> >> Regards >> >> Alan Graham >> >> > > > From fostware at iinet.net.au Fri Jan 18 00:02:54 2002 From: fostware at iinet.net.au (Craig Foster) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 00:02:54 +0800 Subject: [plug] Anyone seen this particular attack pattern before? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20020117233616.5ad77c12@mail.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: While we're at this, is everyone here sick of this appearing in their logs:- Jan 16 08:44:45 server sshd[1666]: Did not receive identification string from 216.205.150.245. Jan 16 10:47:46 server sshd[4043]: Did not receive identification string from 216.205.150.245. Jan 16 13:32:41 server sshd[6949]: Did not receive identification string from 195.70.42.90. Jan 16 13:32:43 server sshd[6948]: Did not receive identification string from 195.70.42.90. Jan 16 15:41:54 server sshd[9262]: Did not receive identification string from 148.223.110.147. Jan 17 08:24:04 server sshd[25758]: Did not receive identification string from 61.77.137.6. Jan 17 08:24:04 server sshd[25757]: Did not receive identification string from 61.77.137.6. Jan 17 11:36:45 server sshd[28869]: Did not receive identification string from 210.156.196.40. Anyone care to elaborate on what this is? AFAIK it's a SSH1 UseLogin exploit, but I just want to be sure... Regards, Craig Foster -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 2228 bytes Desc: not available URL: From macro at nathan.linux-dude.net Fri Jan 18 00:09:42 2002 From: macro at nathan.linux-dude.net (Nathan Alberti) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 00:09:42 +0800 Subject: [plug] Anyone seen this particular attack pattern before? References: Message-ID: <00a201c19f71$5f64ffe0$8501a8c0@nathan> Yes correct... You have updated your SSH package ? Nathan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Foster" To: Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:02 AM Subject: RE: [plug] Anyone seen this particular attack pattern before? > While we're at this, is everyone here sick of this appearing in their > logs:- > > Jan 16 08:44:45 server sshd[1666]: Did not receive identification string > from 216.205.150.245. > Jan 16 10:47:46 server sshd[4043]: Did not receive identification string > from 216.205.150.245. > Jan 16 13:32:41 server sshd[6949]: Did not receive identification string > from 195.70.42.90. > Jan 16 13:32:43 server sshd[6948]: Did not receive identification string > from 195.70.42.90. > Jan 16 15:41:54 server sshd[9262]: Did not receive identification string > from 148.223.110.147. > Jan 17 08:24:04 server sshd[25758]: Did not receive identification string > from 61.77.137.6. > Jan 17 08:24:04 server sshd[25757]: Did not receive identification string > from 61.77.137.6. > Jan 17 11:36:45 server sshd[28869]: Did not receive identification string > from 210.156.196.40. > > Anyone care to elaborate on what this is? AFAIK it's a SSH1 UseLogin > exploit, but I just want to be sure... > > > Regards, > > Craig Foster > From fostware at iinet.net.au Fri Jan 18 00:38:52 2002 From: fostware at iinet.net.au (Craig Foster) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 00:38:52 +0800 Subject: [plug] Anyone seen this particular attack pattern before? In-Reply-To: <00a201c19f71$5f64ffe0$8501a8c0@nathan> Message-ID: hee hee... I'd updated it from the 'sploit before last! duh! Craig > -----Original Message----- > From: Nathan Alberti [mailto:macro at nathan.linux-dude.net] > Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 12:10 AM > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: Re: [plug] Anyone seen this particular attack > pattern before? > > > Yes correct... > > You have updated your SSH package ? > > Nathan. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Craig Foster" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:02 AM > Subject: RE: [plug] Anyone seen this particular attack > pattern before? > > > > While we're at this, is everyone here sick of this > appearing in their > > logs:- > > > > Jan 16 08:44:45 server sshd[1666]: Did not receive > identification string > > from 216.205.150.245. > > Anyone care to elaborate on what this is? AFAIK it's a > SSH1 UseLogin > > exploit, but I just want to be sure... > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Craig Foster > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 2228 bytes Desc: not available URL: From czilko at southwest.com.au Fri Jan 18 02:10:04 2002 From: czilko at southwest.com.au (Craig) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 02:10:04 +0800 Subject: [plug] Anyone seen this particular attack pattern before? In-Reply-To: <002001c19f05$80f6df00$1801a8c0@bart> References: <000501c19f03$9adede60$1801a8c0@bart> <002001c19f05$80f6df00$1801a8c0@bart> Message-ID: <200201171810.g0HIAJG08816@tuart.southwest.com.au> On Thursday 17 January 2002 11:17 am, Alan Graham wrote: > Apologies, I should have done more research. It's NIMDA. > > Anyone have an answer to NIMDA? Or is it just something we have to put up > with until it dies out? I'm getting a few hundred hits a day. > Try mod_antihak ..... sorry I cant remember the URL (Google search will find) but a friend set it up here and it grabs the IP of the offending MS server from the apache logs and sticks it in the IPtables policies to block ..... at least until the firewall rules are flushed. Crude but effective. Cheers, Craig. Mandrake Linux 8.1 Kernel version: 2.4.8-34.1mdk Current Linux uptime: 5 hours 19 minutes. From leon at brooks.fdns.net Fri Jan 18 07:14:39 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:14:39 +0800 Subject: [plug] Anyone seen this particular attack pattern before? In-Reply-To: <002001c19f05$80f6df00$1801a8c0@bart> References: <000501c19f03$9adede60$1801a8c0@bart> <002001c19f05$80f6df00$1801a8c0@bart> Message-ID: <20020117231457.3866B32592B@mail.old-firestation.net> On Thursday 17 January 2002 11:17, Alan Graham wrote: > Anyone have an answer to NIMDA? World Domination. Accept no alternatives. Cheers; Leon From apamment at yahoo.com Fri Jan 18 07:30:34 2002 From: apamment at yahoo.com (Andrew Pamment) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:30:34 +0800 Subject: [plug] A little off-topic I suppose - Monitor Message-ID: <000d01c19fae$f71c2fb0$644f8ec6@abbey> Hi there... This isn't really a Linux question I suppose, so you may all wish to shoot me. I have just recently moved to Perth from Toowoomba (where I bugged the thuug people with all my questions) I have finally got a new computer that I could put my beloved Slackware on, but my monitor sucks.. it's a 14" and not even very good at being a 14". I was wondering, I know you linux people often have piles of computer bits in your shed (I know I did in Toowoomba) Anyway I was wondering if any might have a 15" or 17" they would be willing to sell cheaply or even loan until I can afford one, well I am sorry to bug you all with this, any help would be greatly appreciated. Andrew "If you live a lie, you'll die a liar." - Catatonia "Post Script" From leon at brooks.fdns.net Fri Jan 18 08:21:57 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:21:57 +0800 Subject: [plug] Piracy! Message-ID: <20020118002240.4EF7232592B@mail.old-firestation.net> >From http://www.howtotell.com/ww/why.asp: > Software piracy harms everyone, including you. > Why should you care? > * Pirated software may contain harmful viruses > Unauthorized software can often contain viruses > with the potential to damage both individual > computers or entire networks. Viruses can and do > cause data loss, which would be devastating to > most companies. Why risk it? > * Ineligibility for technical support or product upgrades > When using unlicensed software, you are not eligible for > technical support from the software publisher. If you > have a technical issue in need of resolution, often > times a work-stopping issue, you are out of luck. In > addition, product upgrades-less expensive upgrades of > existing products-are not available to you. > * High legal costs and fines > Abuse of software licenses can result in financial > penalties, legal costs, and damaged reputation. > Additionally, executives of the company can be held > individually liable, both criminally and civilly, > for any copyright infringement that occurs within > the organization. > * Software compatibility issues > Unlicensed software may cause incompatibility between > programs that would normally function together > seamlessly. Such compatibility issues lead to > inefficiency and ineffectiveness of employees. > * Negative impact on local and national economies > By spending money on counterfeit software, which is > often manufactured by organized criminals, customers > are also inadvertently stifling the growth potential > of the economy and contributing to the loss of tax > revenue and employment. > Based on Business Software Alliance estimates, the current loss of > jobs, wages, and critical investments in software and technology > innovation worldwide due to piracy so far this year is estimated at: ...and there it finishes, there being no number at all in the HTML source for the page - implying that Microsoft's website is using pirated software, cf their own statement that ``Unlicensed software may cause incompatibility between programs that would normally function together seamlessly.'' Now, as I was kicking back and considering that list, a couple of things about it dawned on me. One was that it is a pretty good laundry-list of things that fully-paid-up Microsoft software does. Another was the weasel words used here. Start by knowing that the BSA is in essence and function an enforcement arm of Microsoft, so the BSA quotes and estimates aren't even paid-for ``independent'' statistical lies, they're just plain ordinary statistical lies. Now let's do a quick point-by-point: * Viruses Some Mac people bother with antivirus software, some don't. Practically nobody else except users of Microsoft software, generally genuine, paid-for Microsoft software, needs them. QED. * Tech Support This could be important, given that Microsoft products require 5-10 times as many support staff as either Mac or Unix, but note that they don't use the word ``free'' anywhere. It's pretty much a gimmee that you can get cheaper and more effective support from a third-party provider, regardless of the legal status of your software. * Legal Costs and Fines Given that the Microsoft's left hand, the BSA, is the one pushing for said costs and fines to be applied, this is kind of hypocritical. You don't hear about Richard Stallman leading licence audit teams or doing nosey ``walkthroughs'' of people's sites. When a GPL violation is uncovered, fgenerally by accident, the FSF generally negotiates a simple fix instead of lawyering the ``offenders'' into the ground. * Compatibility The implication here is that since Microsoft no longer support Windows 95, and compatibility was a fairly hazy issue even when they did, there is no loss to ``pirating'' it. I know of several occasions when people paid for software, either Microsoft software or 3rd-party to run on Microsoft systems, and the software proved incompatible, so they ``pirated'' a compatible version (either of the software or of a compatible supporting component) and used that instead. Who is in the right there? * Economic impact By centralising development in Redmond and a few other places, and turning all of the local staff into salespeople and menu-readers, Microsoft is suppressing the local economy in both the short (less money because less expertise) and long (supporting dolts not geniuses and suppressing competition) terms. * Chutzpah Think about Stac, DR-DOS, SpyGlass and the several score of corporate bodies scattered along Microsoft's path and tell me, who is the biggest pirate of them all? So... I'm looking for ideas for spoof sites, like: http://$HOST/piracy/howtotell highlighting M$ as a pirate http://$HOST/privacy/howtotell http://$HOST/monopoly/howtotell So... speak up! (-: Cheers; Leon -- Pirate king: Believe me you missed nothing. Tell him men, have you missed anything these twenty years at sea? Pirates: SEX! (http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Makeup/5240/pmscript.html) From Andrew at mmtnetworks.com.au Fri Jan 18 09:23:47 2002 From: Andrew at mmtnetworks.com.au (Andrew Barbara) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:23:47 +0800 Subject: [plug] Modem Sharing Message-ID: Hi All just wondering if there is any modem sharing software foe Linux. I need to be able to use the modem to dial several places from several systems. Andrew Barbara, MCP MMT Networks Pty Ltd http://www.mmtnetworks.com.au -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: TEXT.htm URL: From brian at paradigmit.com.au Fri Jan 18 10:57:49 2002 From: brian at paradigmit.com.au (Brian Tombleson) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:57:49 +0800 Subject: [plug] Piracy! References: <20020118002240.4EF7232592B@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: <041a01c19fcb$e9ffd6c0$6400a8c0@brian> > * Compatibility > > The implication here is that since Microsoft no longer support Windows 95, > and compatibility was a fairly hazy issue even when they did, there is no > loss to ``pirating'' it. I know of several occasions when people paid for > software, either Microsoft software or 3rd-party to run on Microsoft systems, > and the software proved incompatible, so they ``pirated'' a compatible > version (either of the software or of a compatible supporting component) and > used that instead. Who is in the right there? They don't support Win98 anymore either (or at least will very shortly drop it). Their policy is to support two (2) versions in each of their streams and in the current situation that is XPHome+ME and XPPro+2000. And, of course, they are merging the streams. Considering probably about 30% of the businesses I deal with run '95 and a further 60% run '98 ... they're frigged for support. Additionally - have you ever tried calling, emailing or otherwise contacting Microsoft for support? No, no-one does - they contact the supplier. The supplier then charges them accordingly as per any other service industry. Contacting Microsoft directly gets you nowhere very slowly and their "support", when it comes, is "download a patch from the US" (for which you will undoubtedly need a new patch soon, so learn how to do this fast) - too bad if it's your DUN/RAS or network that's screwed screwed because there ain't no way they'll be sending a tech out to you for less than $200/h:-). Lastly comment is - what warranty? There is no warranty on software. This means that any support costs you directly or indirectly. You have just received $0.0234 worth of my oppinion (with rounding, 2c :-) Regards, Brian. From hatari at iinet.net.au Fri Jan 18 11:11:38 2002 From: hatari at iinet.net.au (wayne) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:11:38 +0800 Subject: [plug] Piracy! References: <20020118002240.4EF7232592B@mail.old-firestation.net> <041a01c19fcb$e9ffd6c0$6400a8c0@brian> Message-ID: <001001c19fcd$d9331440$0201c0a8@supernova> Aye, aye; mi 'arty!! Raise the focsal! Sto' the yard arm! Close the Windows!! We'll board 'em and slit thar gizzards instead! ||.-) Regards, wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Tombleson" To: Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [plug] Piracy! > > * Compatibility > > > > The implication here is that since Microsoft no longer support Windows 95, > > and compatibility was a fairly hazy issue even when they did, there is no > > loss to ``pirating'' it. I know of several occasions when people paid for > > software, either Microsoft software or 3rd-party to run on Microsoft > systems, > > and the software proved incompatible, so they ``pirated'' a compatible > > version (either of the software or of a compatible supporting component) > and > > used that instead. Who is in the right there? > > They don't support Win98 anymore either (or at least will very shortly drop > it). Their policy is to support two (2) versions in each of their streams > and in the current situation that is XPHome+ME and XPPro+2000. And, of > course, they are merging the streams. > > Considering probably about 30% of the businesses I deal with run '95 and a > further 60% run '98 ... they're frigged for support. > > Additionally - have you ever tried calling, emailing or otherwise contacting > Microsoft for support? No, no-one does - they contact the supplier. The > supplier then charges them accordingly as per any other service industry. > Contacting Microsoft directly gets you nowhere very slowly and their > "support", when it comes, is "download a patch from the US" (for which you > will undoubtedly need a new patch soon, so learn how to do this fast) - too > bad if it's your DUN/RAS or network that's screwed screwed because there > ain't no way they'll be sending a tech out to you for less than $200/h:-). > Lastly comment is - what warranty? There is no warranty on software. This > means that any support costs you directly or indirectly. > > You have just received $0.0234 worth of my oppinion (with rounding, 2c :-) > > Regards, > Brian. > > > From paul at canningcollege.wa.edu.au Fri Jan 18 12:33:16 2002 From: paul at canningcollege.wa.edu.au (Paul Dean) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:33:16 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] A little off-topic I suppose - Monitor In-Reply-To: <000d01c19fae$f71c2fb0$644f8ec6@abbey> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Andrew Pamment wrote: > Hi there... > > This isn't really a Linux question I suppose, so you may all wish to shoot > me. I have just recently moved to Perth from Toowoomba (where I bugged the > thuug people with all my questions) I have finally got a new computer that I > could put my beloved Slackware on, but my monitor sucks.. it's a 14" and not > even very good at being a 14". I was wondering, I know you linux people > often have piles of computer bits in your shed (I know I did in Toowoomba) > Anyway I was wondering if any might have a 15" or 17" they would be willing > to sell cheaply or even loan until I can afford one, well I am sorry to bug > you all with this, any help would be greatly appreciated. > yep I got one, not used not needed, good 15" email me off list if you are interested, and then make me an offer. > Andrew > > "If you live a lie, you'll die a liar." > - Catatonia "Post Script" > -- Paul... /***** Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again. -- Franklin P. Jones *****/ /*****All programmers are playwrights and all computers are lousy actors. -- Unknown*****/ /* How smart are Computers? They seem to need instructions all the time... -- Me */ From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Fri Jan 18 12:46:41 2002 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (craig at postnewspapers.com.au) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:46:41 +0800 Subject: [plug] A little off-topic I suppose - Monitor In-Reply-To: <000d01c19fae$f71c2fb0$644f8ec6@abbey> References: <000d01c19fae$f71c2fb0$644f8ec6@abbey> Message-ID: <20020118044640.GA16762@geek.localnet> > even very good at being a 14". I was wondering, I know you linux people > often have piles of computer bits in your shed (I know I did in Toowoomba) > Anyway I was wondering if any might have a 15" or 17" they would be willing > to sell cheaply or even loan until I can afford one, well I am sorry to bug I have a 17" monitor you can have if you JUST TAKE IT AWAY! Its 8 years old, you see, and not well looked-after by its previous owner. If you are one of the lucky bastards who can't hear the evil eardrum-melting squeal made by old monitors, you'll like it. Color and sharpness are acceptable for an oldie. -- Craig Ringer IT Manager, POST Newspapers http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/ http://oberthur.dyndns.org/~craig/ GPG Key Fingerprint: AF1C ABFE 7E64 E9C8 FC27 C16E D3CE CDC0 0E93 380D -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Fri Jan 18 12:53:55 2002 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (craig at postnewspapers.com.au) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:53:55 +0800 Subject: [plug] Modem Sharing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020118045354.GB16762@geek.localnet> > just wondering if there is any modem sharing software foe Linux. > I need to be able to use the modem to dial several places from several systems. The basic capabilities are built into the kernel. There are two ways to go, really: dedicated firewall/gateway distros like "Mandrake Single Network Firewall" and Smoothwall . Or, if you want to use it as a general purpose server or workstation as well, I know Mandrake has an easy GUI tool to enable IPMasq/NAT ("connection sharing"). Any other distros that have easy-to-use NAT setup tools? oh, PLEASE DISABLE HTML EMAIL at least for mailing lists! Content-Description: HTML > > > > > >
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> -- Craig Ringer IT Manager, POST Newspapers http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/ http://oberthur.dyndns.org/~craig/ GPG Key Fingerprint: AF1C ABFE 7E64 E9C8 FC27 C16E D3CE CDC0 0E93 380D -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ryan at prodigital.net.au Fri Jan 18 14:37:00 2002 From: ryan at prodigital.net.au (Ryan) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:37:00 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] Piracy! In-Reply-To: <20020118002240.4EF7232592B@mail.old-firestation.net> References: <20020118002240.4EF7232592B@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: <1399.203.47.39.199.1011335820.squirrel@www.prodigital.net.au> >> * Ineligibility for technical support or product upgrades >> ..... >> In addition, product upgrades-less expensive upgrades of >> existing products-are not available to you. Since the new Microsoft licensing model which keeps having it's full implementation delayed due to customer complains, there is no longer any such thing as an 'upgrade'. You purchase the full product plus play MORE to get 'software assurance' aka. 'insurance' and receive any upgrades that are released in the time of your contract (2 years). Once that 2 years is over and you want an 'upgrade' you pay for a full version AGAIN and pay MORE for 'software assurance' AGAIN. Your other option to stay up-to-date is to pay the full price every 2 years (or however long you want).. it actually works out cheaper this way on the 2 year model! the only downside is you won't get any upgrade in that 2 year period, but Microsoft never said that they would actually make any! Unless they made 3 new versions of a product in 2 years you'd never want to by software assurance. 'I'd love to see that' I have asked Microsoft people to explain why I would pay for software assurance when there is absolutely no benefit. I'm still waiting for an answer. One reasoning I heard from Microsoft is a lot of people are still using Office 97, and since then sales have not been as good, so they are trying to leave people out in the cold if they don't keep buying the latest version. Thus the model is intended to see an ENTIRE repurchase of ALL mircosoft products every 2/3 years to maintain a regular income flow for Microsoft. This means OS, Apps the lot. Think about that for less than a seconds and you'll realise how impractical and bone-headed firstly spending on and then reinstalling every Winblowz computer in an organisation every 2 years is. Yet another theory i've heard is that product 'patches/enhancements' will be released only to software assurance customers, while the normal plebs would only get critical patches, if that. Or better still, 'patches' will be released as full versions It is the same as an insurance company selling you car insurance on the condition that the only time they'll pay up is when THEY decide to deliberately drive into the side of your car, which obviously they'd never do. Utter stupidity. Ryan From wayne.vovil at ausi.com Fri Jan 18 15:07:23 2002 From: wayne.vovil at ausi.com (Wayne Vovil) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 23:07:23 -0800 Subject: [plug] Linux on the Compaq IPAQ Message-ID: <200201180707.g0I77NO20819@mail9.bigmailbox.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From bob at contact.omen.com.au Fri Jan 18 17:50:21 2002 From: bob at contact.omen.com.au (bob) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:50:21 +0800 Subject: [plug] Inkjet printer recomendations? Message-ID: <200201181748.0223203.6@contact.omen.com.au> I think its time to look at replacing the old epson stylus 600. I'm after something with 1/ excellent linux support of course :) 2/ low to medium use, short print runs of med - high quality 3/ able to produce photo quality images 4/ re-inkable preferably with separate cartridges for each colour. (or cheap carts that I won't feel like re-inking to save money :) So... what can you guys share with me on inkjets :). -- revolutionary, adj.: Repackaged. From ryan at prodigital.net.au Fri Jan 18 19:42:43 2002 From: ryan at prodigital.net.au (Ryan) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:42:43 +0800 Subject: [plug] Inkjet printer recom[m]endations? In-Reply-To: <200201181748.0223203.6@contact.omen.com.au> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020118193234.00a2c630@10.10.10.1> At 05:50 PM 18/01/02 +0800, you wrote: >I think its time to look at replacing the old epson stylus 600. I'm after >something with 1/ excellent linux support of course :) 2/ low to medium use, >short print runs of med - high quality 3/ able to produce photo quality >images 4/ re-inkable preferably with separate cartridges for each colour. (or >cheap carts that I won't feel like re-inking to save money :) The new Epson's suck ;) I'd say Lexmark. Some of the models come with Linux drivers and soon (if not already) they will officially support Linux. Lexmark cartridges are the most expensive $60-$80 (they have the heads built into the cartidge the same as HP ones) but listen to what i have to say :) ... When you compare this to a Canon printer with separate ink tanks, the Lexmark is actually cheaper to run, the Lexmark cartridges are far higher yield and thus you buy less of them than you would a canon and the price difference of the canon cartridges does not compensate for the frequency at which you must they. They do superb photo reproduction and can be re-inked in the same way HPs are if you really must. Lexmark also have the best warranty I have ever seen on a printer. But as always:YMMV Ryan From paul at canningcollege.wa.edu.au Fri Jan 18 20:00:18 2002 From: paul at canningcollege.wa.edu.au (Paul Dean) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 20:00:18 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] OT -- WineHQ Home page Message-ID: Can anyuone get to or know any problems with winehq.com www site[s]??? -- Paul... /***** Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again. -- Franklin P. Jones *****/ /*****All programmers are playwrights and all computers are lousy actors. -- Unknown*****/ /* How smart are Computers? They seem to need instructions all the time... -- Me */ From wayne.vovil at ausi.com Sat Jan 19 07:39:21 2002 From: wayne.vovil at ausi.com (Wayne Vovil) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:39:21 -0800 Subject: [plug] Inkjet printer recomendations? Message-ID: <200201182339.g0INdLa26499@mail12.bigmailbox.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From bob at contact.omen.com.au Sat Jan 19 09:28:48 2002 From: bob at contact.omen.com.au (bob) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 09:28:48 +0800 Subject: [plug] Inkjet printer recomendations? In-Reply-To: <200201182339.g0INdLa26499@mail12.bigmailbox.com> References: <200201182339.g0INdLa26499@mail12.bigmailbox.com> Message-ID: <200201190926.2833986.6@contact.omen.com.au> Hmm... I seem to detect a pattern here... Maybe I should go look at the lexmarks :). Thanks for the feedback guys ! -- My mother is a fish. - William Faulkner From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Sat Jan 19 10:13:15 2002 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 02:13:15 +0000 Subject: [plug] Inkjet printer recomendations? In-Reply-To: <200201190926.2833986.6@contact.omen.com.au> References: <200201182339.g0INdLa26499@mail12.bigmailbox.com> <200201182339.g0INdLa26499@mail12.bigmailbox.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020119020526.009c69b0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> At 01:28 19/01/02 , you wrote: >Hmm... I seem to detect a pattern here... Maybe I should go look at the >lexmarks :) bob (and anyone else too) My local newspaper had a Strathfield ad with a Lexmark with 1200x1200 DPI for $78 (nornally RRP $129) tho' it also says "Last Chance". Might be worth a call. 1290 Albany Hwy, Cannington, 9458 2099 cu Harry From michael.j.hunt at usa.net Sat Jan 19 10:09:09 2002 From: michael.j.hunt at usa.net (Michael Hunt) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:09:09 +0800 Subject: [plug] Inkjet printer recommendations? In-Reply-To: <200201181748.0223203.6@contact.omen.com.au> Message-ID: For Linux the best thing is Epson according to http://www.linuxprinting.org/. This has got to be the best all round site for printing under Linux and I recommend it to anyone. A look at http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=Lexmark for Lexmark's shows that the High end lasers are very well supported but some of the low end stuff are junk. Now some of the information in the database could be out of date but the low end inkjets tend to be fairly cheap and for my purposes fairly crap. There are also a couple of win printers around in this range which will _not_ work with Linux. Now if Ryan could justify his statement "The new Epson's suck ;)" as at http://www.linuxprinting.org/suggested.html Epson printers get a lot of recommendations. I would really like to know why he says this as at this stage I'm leaning towards a Epson possibly the Stylus Photo 890. Also I would recommend you tasking a look at one of Craig's earlier posts where he talks about the Tektronix. You can find a run down on the Tektronix at http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=Tektronix Linux Printing also produce a vendor report card so take a look http://www.linuxprinting.org/vendors.html to see how they are stacking up. Basically you are going to have to spend a bit of money to get a good Linux supported printer (none of the cheap end crap will work with Linux), do a fair bit of homework to find out what models are supported under Linux (not just brands), get your self some test prints, prices and features and in the end decide what best meets your needs. Hope you get this before you go out shopping today. Michael Hunt > -----Original Message----- > From: bob [mailto:bob at contact.omen.com.au] > Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 5:50 PM > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: [plug] Inkjet printer recomendations? > > > I think its time to look at replacing the old epson stylus 600. I'm after > something with 1/ excellent linux support of course :) 2/ low to > medium use, > short print runs of med - high quality 3/ able to produce photo quality > images 4/ re-inkable preferably with separate cartridges for each > colour. (or > cheap carts that I won't feel like re-inking to save money :) > > So... what can you guys share with me on inkjets :). > > -- > revolutionary, adj.: > Repackaged. > > From michael.j.hunt at usa.net Sat Jan 19 10:19:45 2002 From: michael.j.hunt at usa.net (Michael Hunt) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:19:45 +0800 Subject: [plug] Modem Sharing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You can find the Modem Sharing mini-HOWTO at: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Linux-Modem-Sharing/ also a Linux Google search (http://www.google.com/linux?restrict=linux&hl=en&q=Modem+sharing) turned up the following url: http://www.linuxnetmag.com/en/issue4/m4druck1.html One of these three should give you the information you are after Michael Hunt http://www.google.com/linux is your friend !!!! > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Barbara [mailto:Andrew at mmtnetworks.com.au] > Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 9:24 AM > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: [plug] Modem Sharing > > > Hi All > just wondering if there is any modem sharing software foe Linux. > I need to be able to use the modem to dial several places from > several systems. > > Andrew Barbara, MCP > MMT Networks Pty Ltd > http://www.mmtnetworks.com.au > From bob at contact.omen.com.au Sat Jan 19 10:36:20 2002 From: bob at contact.omen.com.au (bob) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:36:20 +0800 Subject: [plug] Inkjet printer recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200201191034.0037011.6@contact.omen.com.au> On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:09, Michael Hunt wrote: > Hope you get this before you go out shopping today. Sure did. I tend not to rush out and grab stuff just off the cuff so I had intended to do a couple of days worth of research and then go looking next week (or the week after) Thanks for the feedback and the linuxprinting.org url, just what I needed :) -- No use getting too involved in life -- you're only here for a limited time. From bob at contact.omen.com.au Sat Jan 19 10:43:56 2002 From: bob at contact.omen.com.au (bob) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:43:56 +0800 Subject: [plug] Inkjet printer recomendations? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020119020526.009c69b0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> References: <200201182339.g0INdLa26499@mail12.bigmailbox.com> <4.2.0.58.20020119020526.009c69b0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <200201191041.3639479.6@contact.omen.com.au> On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:13, Harry McNally wrote: > At 01:28 19/01/02 , you wrote: > >Hmm... I seem to detect a pattern here... Maybe I should go look at the > >lexmarks :) > > bob (and anyone else too) > > My local newspaper had a Strathfield ad with a Lexmark with 1200x1200 DPI > for $78 (nornally RRP $129) tho' it also says "Last Chance". Might be worth > a call. > > 1290 Albany Hwy, Cannington, 9458 2099 > > cu > Harry Having checked out linuxprinting.org I'm having second thoughts about the lexmarks, well the jetprinter range at least... the Optra range sounds like it may be a go-er. As the Strathfield ad doesn't specify a model I would guess that it will be a win printer and as such not worth the (thin) plastic its built from. -- "The following is not for the weak of heart or Fundamentalists." -- Dave Barry From fostware at iinet.net.au Sat Jan 19 11:16:16 2002 From: fostware at iinet.net.au (Craig Foster) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:16:16 +0800 Subject: [plug] Inkjet printer recommendations? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Epson's generally have massive head or motor problems *just* out of warranty (12-18mths) and the repair price is more than a new printer. And a lot of the problems occur when people put in new cartridges. When they work, they work really well. Typical Comment:- Client - "It had streaks so I cleaned the head using the buttons, and then the manual told me to put in a new ink cartridge if that doesn't work. I put in the new cartidge and nothings changed. Now Epson want $160 for a new head and labour, *AND* they've charged me for a new ink cartridge AS WELL! You said they were good, what happened?" I only recommend Epson for scanners, or when the customer has a need best fulfilled specifically by an Epson. Lexmarks or HP every other time... Remember, "You Only Get What You Pay For." Regards, Craig Foster > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Hunt [mailto:michael.j.hunt at usa.net] > Sent: Saturday, 19 January 2002 10:09 AM > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: RE: [plug] Inkjet printer recommendations? > > > For Linux the best thing is Epson according to > http://www.linuxprinting.org/. This has got to be the best > all round site > for printing under Linux and I recommend it to anyone. > Now if Ryan could justify his statement "The new Epson's > suck ;)" as at > http://www.linuxprinting.org/suggested.html Epson printers > get a lot of > recommendations. I would really like to know why he says > this as at this > stage I'm leaning towards a Epson possibly the Stylus Photo 890. > Basically you are going to have to spend a bit of money to > get a good Linux > supported printer (none of the cheap end crap will work > with Linux), do a > fair bit of homework to find out what models are supported > under Linux (not > just brands), get your self some test prints, prices and > features and in the > end decide what best meets your needs. > > Hope you get this before you go out shopping today. > > Michael Hunt > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bob [mailto:bob at contact.omen.com.au] > > Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 5:50 PM > > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > > Subject: [plug] Inkjet printer recomendations? > > > > > > I think its time to look at replacing the old epson > stylus 600. I'm after > > something with 1/ excellent linux support of course :) 2/ low to > > medium use, > > short print runs of med - high quality 3/ able to produce > photo quality > > images 4/ re-inkable preferably with separate cartridges for each > > colour. (or > > cheap carts that I won't feel like re-inking to save money :) > > > > So... what can you guys share with me on inkjets :). > > > > -- > > revolutionary, adj.: > > Repackaged. > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 2228 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bob at contact.omen.com.au Sat Jan 19 11:29:56 2002 From: bob at contact.omen.com.au (bob) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:29:56 +0800 Subject: [plug] Inkjet printer recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200201191127.3636927.6@contact.omen.com.au> On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:16, Craig Foster wrote: > Epson's generally have massive head or motor problems *just* out of > warranty (12-18mths) and the repair price is more than a new printer. And > a lot of the problems occur when people put in new cartridges. When they > work, they work really well. Had that with my current printer. Fortunately it was just IN warranty :). It turns out that a lot of the problem is lubrication (at least on my model) and a quick chat with the tech showed me what 'n where so I haven't run into the problem since :). -- He asked me if I knew what time it was -- I said yes, but not right now. -- Steven Wright From natdan at pobox.com Sat Jan 19 13:40:43 2002 From: natdan at pobox.com (Nathan D) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:40:43 +0800 Subject: [plug] I killed Woody :( Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020119131416.028c0918@pop3.norton.antivirus> Howdy All, I'm looking for some tips from the multitude of Debian Experts :) I have had 2.2r3 running on my Samba Server for some time and have upgraded this box to Woody and a 2.4 kernel running ext3. Apt-get is a wonderful thing so I have blown away RH on my own machine and put a base install on using the 2.2r3 CD. The upgrade to Woody was painless and then I started on loading the required X packages. Realising my Logitech USB mouse was not configured, I got the GPM package and wrongly configured it. This totally killed my ps2 keyboard activity and left me unable to do anything. A 'nasty' reboot also brought me back to a dead keyboard. Trying to access my box from other machines I found I was refused access as root and a user (did I actually add 1?) using SSH, telnet and ftp. Next trick was to access my linux partition from 2k using Explore2fs and after reading all the warnings about enabling write mode, I proceeded to delete /etc/gpm.conf. Now I need a rescue disk to boot into linux and I get a kernel panic when I do. I also get access violation errors when trying to use Explore2fs so can't seem to rescue the .debs that I d/loaded. Yes I only created a / partition. So now I am looking for tips from those who may know - 1. Is it possible to save my packages? 2. Recommended partitioning for a desktop machine with 4.5Gb to play with. 3. Recommended upgrade path potato -> woody, ie a fully working potato with X, then upgrade vs a potato base and upgrade from there? regards, Nathan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ,-_|\ . natdan at pobox.com . / \ . Western Australia . -> \_,-._/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ v ICQ - 778269 Can't make out my sig file? Try using a "fixed-width font" From solhanna at dingoblue.net.au Sat Jan 19 19:36:55 2002 From: solhanna at dingoblue.net.au (Sol) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 19:36:55 +0800 Subject: [plug] I killed Woody :( References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020119131416.028c0918@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: <3C495A57.7000700@dingoblue.net.au> Nathan D wrote: > Howdy All, > I'm looking for some tips from the multitude of Debian Experts :) Well I'm no expert - which is how I gave myself a nasty problem when trying to do my first kernal upgrade... it's a long story so I won't go there.... > > So now I am looking for tips from those who may know - > 1. Is it possible to save my packages? I can't say for sure, but you *may* be able to save the whole lot. The tool for the job is Tom's Tiny Linux: http://freshmeat.net/projects/tomsrtbt/ http://linux.davecentral.com/projects/tomsrtbt/ This is a tiny, gzip'ed version of linux that fits on a floppy. You reboot your machine and Tom's unpacks itself into the system's memory and from there you can use simple GNU tools like vi, less and tar to access anything on your harddrive. From here you should be able to edit your config files by hand or even copy old versions of config files over new ones. I'd say that your priority would be to get your system up and running again even if this means you only have access to the console with your present keyboard. If you can get this far, you'll be able to figure our your mouse and X configuration to suit your needs. > > 2. Recommended partitioning for a desktop machine with 4.5Gb to play > with. Well, it's a matter of preference largely. I'd try to keep it fairly simple, say 25MB /boot partition on hda1; 4.3GB / partition on hda5; and $MB (where $= size of RAM) swap on hda6. But it depends on what your doing really. If you're going to do heaps of stuff with databases or mail you might want a separate /var, or you might want a separate /home. This isn't really necessary for regular home users I shouldn't think. > > 3. Recommended upgrade path potato -> woody, ie a fully working > potato with X, then upgrade vs a potato base and upgrade from there? I've done the upgrade all the way to Sid (just out of curiosity really) and have gone back to Potato (for now ;-) ), and my advice FWIW, is to decide where you want to end up first. So assuming you want to end up at Woody, install Potato and then don't waste too much time with configuration. Infact, if you haven't got a high speed connection (or a lot of patience) install the bare minimum that you want on your system before upgrading. This will decrease the size of the download. It's time to hack you system into shape only once you've got to Woody. But don't give up on your present installation just yet - Tom's could save it! Unless you've got some extremely nasty kernel misconfiguration, I'd say it can be completely rescued. Hope this helps, Sol > > > > regards, > Nathan > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ,-_|\ > . natdan at pobox.com . / \ > . Western Australia . -> \_,-._/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ v > ICQ - 778269 > > Can't make out my sig file? Try using a "fixed-width font" > > From myk at golden.wattle.id.au Sat Jan 19 20:20:58 2002 From: myk at golden.wattle.id.au (Mike Holland) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:20:58 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] Inkjet printer recomendations? In-Reply-To: <200201191041.3639479.6@contact.omen.com.au> Message-ID: On Sat, 19 Jan 2002, bob wrote: > As the Strathfield ad doesn't specify a model I would guess that it will be a > win printer and as such not worth the (thin) plastic its built from. Whats wrong with a win-printer? My laser is a "win"-printer, but had Linux drivers long before NT did. All the printing is postscript, rendered by ghostscript, and a compressed bitmap sent to the printer. All this works fine at a steady 6ppm for text, at 1200 dpi. Are the inkjet win-printers not supported by ghostscript? Is there another reason why they are no good? -- All things are possible, except for skiing through a revolving door. From leon at brooks.fdns.net Sat Jan 19 20:33:44 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:33:44 +0800 Subject: [plug] I killed Woody :( In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020119131416.028c0918@pop3.norton.antivirus> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020119131416.028c0918@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: <20020119123420.24B203256AB@mail.old-firestation.net> On Saturday 19 January 2002 13:40, Nathan D wrote: > So now I am looking for tips from those who may know - Dunno about the Debian specifics, but what do you boot with, for next time? If it's LILO, try: linux init=/bin/bash ...rather than risking a dodgy tool on your fancy new Linux. You can do similar tricks with GRUB. Cheers; Leon From batesy at batesy.net Sat Jan 19 21:11:06 2002 From: batesy at batesy.net (Jonathon Bates) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:11:06 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] Plug Library In-Reply-To: <20020119123420.24B203256AB@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: Heya Guys, Just wondering does the library have any linux games in it? If not does anyone here have any decent nix games (eg SC3000 or Kohan) And what do they think of how well these games run? Cheers batesy From shahmann at hotmail.com Sat Jan 19 13:15:08 2002 From: shahmann at hotmail.com (stephen shah) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:15:08 Subject: [plug] skylink net 1008 switch Message-ID: hello thier, has anybody heard/used or is using a skylink net 1008 switch. just wondering whether they r ok. IT only for my network at home so they wont be used as the corporate lan solution :))) but would like to know if they pump the bandwidth anywhere near the spec's of good switch. thanks _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From fostware at iinet.net.au Sat Jan 19 21:48:41 2002 From: fostware at iinet.net.au (Craig Foster) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:48:41 +0800 Subject: [plug] skylink net 1008 switch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The more important question is what do you use it for? If it's gaming, switches are better than hubs and that's about it :) Just make sure you get warranty docs with it... (As you would with anything technical...) If you're needing more, the usual Q for switches is backbone bandwidth.. eg cheapies have only 1.2Gb/s meaning 12 simultaneous full bandwidth transfers @ 100BaseT, whereas expensive ones (like Intel) have 2.1Gb/s, meaning every port on a 16port can be used at full speed without affecting others. (Roughly - for brevity) mmmm Intel Matrix Backbone Intelligent Gigabit Switches. Regards, Craig Foster. > -----Original Message----- > From: stephen shah [mailto:shahmann at hotmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, 19 January 2002 1:15 PM > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: [plug] skylink net 1008 switch > > hello thier, > > has anybody heard/used or is using a skylink net 1008 switch. > just wondering whether they r ok. IT only for my network at home so > they wont be used as the corporate lan solution :))) > but would like to know if they pump the bandwidth anywhere > near the spec's > of good switch. > > thanks -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 2228 bytes Desc: not available URL: From leon at brooks.fdns.net Sat Jan 19 22:13:11 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 22:13:11 +0800 Subject: [plug] LT wireless links for 802-heads Message-ID: <20020119141348.066313256AB@mail.old-firestation.net> Enjoy. http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-01-19-001-20-NW From michael.j.hunt at usa.net Sat Jan 19 22:28:21 2002 From: michael.j.hunt at usa.net (Michael Hunt) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 22:28:21 +0800 Subject: [plug] LT wireless links for 802-heads In-Reply-To: <20020119141348.066313256AB@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: Leon Brooks [mailto:leon at brooks.fdns.net] > Enjoy. Oh don't worry about that one Leon. I will !!! > http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-01-19-001-20-NW I gotta get me one of these babies. Anyone want to try doing this at a PLUG meet sometime ??? Michael Hunt From shahmann at hotmail.com Sat Jan 19 14:50:01 2002 From: shahmann at hotmail.com (stephen shah) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:50:01 Subject: [plug] skylink net 1008 switch Message-ID: thanx 4 the input craig, but my real question has anyone used this things I use cisco switches, intel, netgear at work etc but these skylink things r on offer by a bus winding up only wants $80 each, and I thought as long as they arnt shit, and transmit nothing but collions, might get'em for me home network yep to play games :))))) Q3arena I have never heard of them before, did a bit of a search on the web, and didnt find anything yer, so wont b no warrenty :(((((( >From: "Craig Foster" >Reply-To: plug at plug.linux.org.au >To: >Subject: RE: [plug] skylink net 1008 switch >Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:48:41 +0800 > >The more important question is what do you use it for? > >If it's gaming, switches are better than hubs and that's about it :) >Just make sure you get warranty docs with it... (As you would with >anything technical...) > >If you're needing more, the usual Q for switches is backbone bandwidth.. >eg cheapies have only 1.2Gb/s meaning 12 simultaneous full bandwidth >transfers @ 100BaseT, whereas expensive ones (like Intel) have 2.1Gb/s, >meaning every port on a 16port can be used at full speed without affecting >others. (Roughly - for brevity) > >mmmm Intel Matrix Backbone Intelligent Gigabit >Switches. > >Regards, > >Craig Foster. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: stephen shah [mailto:shahmann at hotmail.com] > > Sent: Saturday, 19 January 2002 1:15 PM > > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > > Subject: [plug] skylink net 1008 switch > > > > hello thier, > > > > has anybody heard/used or is using a skylink net 1008 switch. > > just wondering whether they r ok. IT only for my network at home so > > they wont be used as the corporate lan solution :))) > > but would like to know if they pump the bandwidth anywhere > > near the spec's > > of good switch. > > > > thanks ><< smime.p7s >> _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From leon at brooks.fdns.net Sat Jan 19 23:20:56 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 23:20:56 +0800 Subject: [plug] Quake3 (was: skylink switch) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020119152133.AD0573256AB@mail.old-firestation.net> On Saturday 19 January 2002 22:50, stephen shah wrote: > might get'em for me home network > yep to play games :))))) > Q3arena http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23735.html Read it and laugh. Cheers; Leon From jensz at wn.com.au Sun Jan 20 00:00:50 2002 From: jensz at wn.com.au (Ben Jensz) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 00:00:50 +0800 Subject: [plug] skylink net 1008 switch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000e01c1a102$772a9350$0a00a8c0@3fragsleft.net> Depends how much you're willing to spend, but I've found Intel InBusiness switches to be pretty good. You can get an 8 port one for about $230 if you look in the right places (thats if you want to spend that much). If you've got good quality network cards in the computers you are going to be connecting into the switch, then why not pay that little bit extra and compliment those NICs with a decent switch :). I personally like Intel Pro 100+ / 100S NICs. In terms of pricey things for larger networks, I've been pretty impressed with the HP Procurve 2524 switch we got at work not long ago. Priced a hell of a lot better than a similar spec'ed Cisco alternative and with pretty much all the same features and a very IOS like CLI. / Ben -----Original Message----- From: Craig Foster [mailto:fostware at iinet.net.au] Sent: Saturday, 19 January 2002 9:49 PM To: plug at plug.linux.org.au Subject: RE: [plug] skylink net 1008 switch The more important question is what do you use it for? If it's gaming, switches are better than hubs and that's about it :) Just make sure you get warranty docs with it... (As you would with anything technical...) If you're needing more, the usual Q for switches is backbone bandwidth.. eg cheapies have only 1.2Gb/s meaning 12 simultaneous full bandwidth transfers @ 100BaseT, whereas expensive ones (like Intel) have 2.1Gb/s, meaning every port on a 16port can be used at full speed without affecting others. (Roughly - for brevity) mmmm Intel Matrix Backbone Intelligent Gigabit Switches. Regards, Craig Foster. > -----Original Message----- > From: stephen shah [mailto:shahmann at hotmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, 19 January 2002 1:15 PM > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: [plug] skylink net 1008 switch > > hello thier, > > has anybody heard/used or is using a skylink net 1008 switch. just > wondering whether they r ok. IT only for my network at home so they > wont be used as the corporate lan solution :))) but would like to know > if they pump the bandwidth anywhere near the spec's > of good switch. > > thanks From james at rcpt.to Sun Jan 20 00:42:07 2002 From: james at rcpt.to (James Bromberger) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 00:42:07 +0800 Subject: [plug] LT wireless links for 802-heads In-Reply-To: References: <20020119141348.066313256AB@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: <20020119164206.GA1944@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 10:28:21PM +0800, Michael Hunt wrote: > Leon Brooks [mailto:leon at brooks.fdns.net] > > Enjoy. > Oh don't worry about that one Leon. I will !!! > > http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-01-19-001-20-NW > I gotta get me one of these babies. Anyone want to try doing this at a PLUG > meet sometime ??? What, demonstrate 802.11 under Linux? Nick probably can do this most any time on his Libretto. Indeed, anytime you come to a UCC meeting (alternate Tuesdays) you are covered by the UCC's wireless network. For immediate satisfaction, see www.e3.com.au, and attend the "Gathering III" which is on TODAY (Sunday 20 Jan) at Kings Park at high noon by the war memorial infront of the flower clock/restaurtant, overlooking the Perth and South Perth basin. Just look for all the ex-Galaxy dishes, milo tins, laptops, and other assorted toys. James -- James Bromberger www.james.rcpt.to Australian Debian Conference: http://www.linux.org.au/conf/debiancon.html Remainder moved to http://www.james.rcpt.to/james/sig.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Buy two... it's like warranty for a full price switch :) Regards, Criag Foster > -----Original Message----- > From: stephen shah [mailto:shahmann at hotmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, 19 January 2002 2:50 PM > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: RE: [plug] skylink net 1008 switch > > > thanx 4 the input craig, > but my real question has anyone used this things > I use cisco switches, intel, netgear at work etc > but these skylink things r on offer by a bus winding up > only wants $80 each, and I thought as long as they arnt shit, > and transmit nothing but collions, might get'em for me home network > yep to play games :))))) > Q3arena > I have never heard of them before, did a bit of a search on > the web, and > didnt find anything > > yer, so wont b no warrenty :(((((( -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 2228 bytes Desc: not available URL: From james at rcpt.to Sun Jan 20 00:58:44 2002 From: james at rcpt.to (James Bromberger) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 00:58:44 +0800 Subject: [plug] I killed Woody :( In-Reply-To: <3C495A57.7000700@dingoblue.net.au> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020119131416.028c0918@pop3.norton.antivirus> <3C495A57.7000700@dingoblue.net.au> Message-ID: <20020119165843.GB1944@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 07:36:55PM +0800, Sol wrote: > >So now I am looking for tips from those who may know - > >1. Is it possible to save my packages? > > I can't say for sure, but you *may* be able to save the whole lot. The > tool for the job is Tom's Tiny Linux: Or.... disk 1 of the Debian install set is actually called the "rescue disk". Funny name, huh? ;) Stick it in, boot off it, then give it the root disk (root.bin) which is the root virtual filesystem. It will ask to configure your colour preferences (colo(u)r, mono), and keyboard, and then give you a menu. Ignore the recommedned and alternate steps; skip straigh to mounting your *existing* filesystems (eg, /dev/hda1 as /, /dev/hda2 as /usr, or whatever you had), and then near the bottom of the main menu, is "Execute a Shell". You can now whiz through your FS and copy stuff to backups before attempting any recovery, if you're worried. > >2. Recommended partitioning for a desktop machine with 4.5Gb to play > >with. > > Well, it's a matter of preference largely. I'd try to keep it fairly > simple, say 25MB /boot partition on hda1; 4.3GB / partition on hda5; and > $MB (where $= size of RAM) swap on hda6. But it depends on what your > doing really. If you're going to do heaps of stuff with databases or > mail you might want a separate /var, or you might want a separate /home. > This isn't really necessary for regular home users I shouldn't think. Didn't we discuss this last week? I agree with Sol, you probably dont need to worry if its just a personal use system. For me on my home system, I have directory sizes of: 263 MB /var 2.2 GB /usr 28 GB /home (includes debian and debian-non-us mirrors) Now, this can vary wildly. I had process accounting turned on, and /var shot up to 3 GB. If you don't clean out your apt file cache, then thats more space used in /var. My /usr has lots of packages installed; these numbers just give you a rough guide of sizes. > >3. Recommended upgrade path potato -> woody, ie a fully working > >potato with X, then upgrade vs a potato base and upgrade from there? > > I've done the upgrade all the way to Sid (just out of curiosity really) > and have gone back to Potato (for now ;-) ), and my advice FWIW, is to > decide where you want to end up first. So assuming you want to end up at > Woody, install Potato and then don't waste too much time with > configuration. Infact, if you haven't got a high speed connection (or a > lot of patience) install the bare minimum that you want on your system > before upgrading. This will decrease the size of the download. It's time > to hack you system into shape only once you've got to Woody. Or, for a faster upgrade, lug the machine to the UCC meetings. Some kind soul will help you get connected. There is an offical Debian mirror at UWA. 100 MBit backbone too. Either that, or next meeting you come to, ask people in the room: some people carry mirrors around *with* them (not me). ;) James -- James Bromberger www.james.rcpt.to Australian Debian Conference: http://www.linux.org.au/conf/debiancon.html Remainder moved to http://www.james.rcpt.to/james/sig.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From michael.j.hunt at usa.net Sun Jan 20 08:24:55 2002 From: michael.j.hunt at usa.net (Michael Hunt) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 08:24:55 +0800 Subject: [plug] LT wireless links for 802-heads In-Reply-To: <20020119164206.GA1944@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: James Bromberger [mailto:james at rcpt.to] wrote: > What, demonstrate 802.11 under Linux? Nick probably can do this > most any time on his Libretto. Indeed, anytime you come to a UCC > meeting (alternate Tuesdays) you are covered by the UCC's wireless > network. My comment was about the OpenAP project not so much about the book itself. I think I got a bit carried away after reading that I could flash the ROM on some AP's and replace it with an embedded Linux. !!!! Still I think this is way cool. I'd rather my AP running Linux that I can get to, hack replace etc than some other possibly "proprietary" software. Flashing the ROM on the hardware and showing Linux booting up on the AP would make an interesting PLUG meet. > For immediate satisfaction, see www.e3.com.au, and attend the > "Gathering III" which is on TODAY (Sunday 20 Jan) at Kings Park at > high noon by the war memorial in front of the flower clock/restaurant, > overlooking the Perth and South Perth basin. Just look for all the > ex-Galaxy dishes, milo tins, laptops, and other assorted toys. I've visited the e3 site and I am really keen to get involved though I don't have the money for the hardware at the moment and I cant get line of sight to the Kalamunda hub. (I'm in Kelmscott with my house being in a hollow with quite a few large trees around). Today already has other plans so I won't be able to make it. > James From reynoldscraigr at hotmail.com Sun Jan 20 14:46:07 2002 From: reynoldscraigr at hotmail.com (Craig Reynolds) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:46:07 +0800 Subject: [plug] getting telnet access Message-ID: Hi guys, I've got a fresh RH 7.2 install an I'm having trouble getting telnet acces to it, so I was hoping someone would be able to point me in the right direction. As best I can tell it should work. I turned the firewall of during install, and I have the IP range of the network I want to get at it from in /etc/hosts.allow, as follows in.telnetd 203.59.50.95/255.255.255.240 The problem that I am getting is that whenever I try to telnet in, it tells me that the connection has been refused. An I can ping the machine, any ideas? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ? ?raig ?eynolds ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just because this is never going to work is no reason to be negative! From vk6ksj at siwa.com.au Sun Jan 20 15:12:05 2002 From: vk6ksj at siwa.com.au (Kai) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:12:05 +0800 Subject: [plug] getting telnet access References: Message-ID: <001b01c1a181$c4cd3340$0200a8c0@amd2k> I dunno if it's typo but did you remember to include the : after telnetd? ie in.telnetd: 203.59.50.95/255.255.255.240 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Reynolds" To: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 2:46 PM Subject: [plug] getting telnet access > Hi guys, I've got a fresh RH 7.2 install an I'm having trouble getting > telnet acces to it, so I was hoping someone would be able to point me in the > right direction. > > As best I can tell it should work. I turned the firewall of during install, > and I have the IP range of the network I want to get at it from in > /etc/hosts.allow, as follows > > in.telnetd 203.59.50.95/255.255.255.240 > > The problem that I am getting is that whenever I try to telnet in, it tells > me that the connection has been refused. An I can ping the machine, any > ideas? > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ? ?raig ?eynolds ? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Just because this is never going to work is no reason to be negative! > > From arkem at mornmist.2y.net Sun Jan 20 14:53:40 2002 From: arkem at mornmist.2y.net (Arkem (Paul)) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:53:40 +0800 Subject: [plug] AOL/Time Warner & Redhat? Message-ID: For those who may not of heard it looks as if AOL is contemplating buying Redhat. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/01/19/041215&mode=thread http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/01/19/1912259&mode=thread I still haven't decided if this is a good thing or not, how about everyone else 'round these parts? What do you all think. Regards, Paul C From reynoldscraigr at hotmail.com Sun Jan 20 15:05:32 2002 From: reynoldscraigr at hotmail.com (Craig Reynolds) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:05:32 +0800 Subject: [plug] getting telnet access References: <001b01c1a181$c4cd3340$0200a8c0@amd2k> Message-ID: I had forgotten it actually, but the problem is still there, my connection is refused. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ? ?raig ?eynolds ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just because this is never going to work is no reason to be negative! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kai" To: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [plug] getting telnet access > I dunno if it's typo but did you remember to include the : after telnetd? > ie > in.telnetd: 203.59.50.95/255.255.255.240 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Craig Reynolds" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 2:46 PM > Subject: [plug] getting telnet access > > > > Hi guys, I've got a fresh RH 7.2 install an I'm having trouble getting > > telnet acces to it, so I was hoping someone would be able to point me in > the > > right direction. > > > > As best I can tell it should work. I turned the firewall of during > install, > > and I have the IP range of the network I want to get at it from in > > /etc/hosts.allow, as follows > > > > in.telnetd 203.59.50.95/255.255.255.240 > > > > The problem that I am getting is that whenever I try to telnet in, it > tells > > me that the connection has been refused. An I can ping the machine, any > > ideas? > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ? ?raig ?eynolds ? > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Just because this is never going to work is no reason to be negative! > > > > > > From navarre at plug.linux.org.au Sun Jan 20 14:58:33 2002 From: navarre at plug.linux.org.au (navarre at plug.linux.org.au) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 06:58:33 GMT Subject: [plug] getting telnet access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020120.6583300@ladyhawke.anjov.com.au> Hello Craig One common reason for getting the connection refused message is attempting to telnet or ssh as a root user. Attempt your logins as a non root user and su to root if that is the access level you require. If you are root on another box then telnet -l non_root_username. Have fun. Regards Navarre >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 1/20/02, 2:46:07 PM, "Craig Reynolds" wrote regarding [plug] getting telnet access: > Hi guys, I've got a fresh RH 7.2 install an I'm having trouble getting > telnet acces to it, so I was hoping someone would be able to point me in the > right direction. > As best I can tell it should work. I turned the firewall of during install, > and I have the IP range of the network I want to get at it from in > /etc/hosts.allow, as follows > in.telnetd 203.59.50.95/255.255.255.240 > The problem that I am getting is that whenever I try to telnet in, it tells > me that the connection has been refused. An I can ping the machine, any > ideas? From reynoldscraigr at hotmail.com Sun Jan 20 15:19:24 2002 From: reynoldscraigr at hotmail.com (Craig Reynolds) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:19:24 +0800 Subject: [plug] getting telnet access References: <20020120.6583300@ladyhawke.anjov.com.au> Message-ID: I am trying to connect from windows machine, so I would not have thought that was an issue. I am connecting using putty and simply passing it the IP of the machine in question. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ? ?raig ?eynolds ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just because this is never going to work is no reason to be negative! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [plug] getting telnet access Hello Craig One common reason for getting the connection refused message is attempting to telnet or ssh as a root user. Attempt your logins as a non root user and su to root if that is the access level you require. If you are root on another box then telnet -l non_root_username. Have fun. Regards Navarre >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 1/20/02, 2:46:07 PM, "Craig Reynolds" wrote regarding [plug] getting telnet access: > Hi guys, I've got a fresh RH 7.2 install an I'm having trouble getting > telnet acces to it, so I was hoping someone would be able to point me in the > right direction. > As best I can tell it should work. I turned the firewall of during install, > and I have the IP range of the network I want to get at it from in > /etc/hosts.allow, as follows > in.telnetd 203.59.50.95/255.255.255.240 > The problem that I am getting is that whenever I try to telnet in, it tells > me that the connection has been refused. An I can ping the machine, any > ideas? From jensz at wn.com.au Sun Jan 20 15:25:32 2002 From: jensz at wn.com.au (Ben Jensz) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:25:32 +0800 Subject: [plug] getting telnet access In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002501c1a183$a5252ff0$0a00a8c0@3fragsleft.net> Have you told xinetd to run the telnet-server? Because in 7.2 it isn't enabled as per default.. open the file /etc/xinet.d/telnet with your favourite text editor and change the appropriate line from disable to enable (you'll see it when you open it). Just killall -HUP xinetd and it should then listen on port 23 for telnet then. / Ben -----Original Message----- From: Craig Reynolds [mailto:reynoldscraigr at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 20 January 2002 3:06 PM To: plug at plug.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [plug] getting telnet access I had forgotten it actually, but the problem is still there, my connection is refused. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ? ?raig ?eynolds ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just because this is never going to work is no reason to be negative! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kai" To: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [plug] getting telnet access > I dunno if it's typo but did you remember to include the : after > telnetd? ie > in.telnetd: 203.59.50.95/255.255.255.240 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Craig Reynolds" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 2:46 PM > Subject: [plug] getting telnet access > > > > Hi guys, I've got a fresh RH 7.2 install an I'm having trouble > > getting telnet acces to it, so I was hoping someone would be able to > > point me in > the > > right direction. > > > > As best I can tell it should work. I turned the firewall of during > install, > > and I have the IP range of the network I want to get at it from in > > /etc/hosts.allow, as follows > > > > in.telnetd 203.59.50.95/255.255.255.240 > > > > The problem that I am getting is that whenever I try to telnet in, > > it > tells > > me that the connection has been refused. An I can ping the machine, > > any ideas? > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ? ?raig ?eynolds ? > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Just because this is never going to work is no reason to be > > negative! > > > > > > From reynoldscraigr at hotmail.com Sun Jan 20 15:35:57 2002 From: reynoldscraigr at hotmail.com (Craig Reynolds) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:35:57 +0800 Subject: [plug] getting telnet access References: <002501c1a183$a5252ff0$0a00a8c0@3fragsleft.net> Message-ID: I dont appear to have /etc/xinet.d/telnet, nor the directory /etc/xinet.d. Should I create the telnet file in /etc/xinetd.d ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ? ?raig ?eynolds ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just because this is never going to work is no reason to be negative! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Jensz" To: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:25 PM Subject: RE: [plug] getting telnet access Have you told xinetd to run the telnet-server? Because in 7.2 it isn't enabled as per default.. open the file /etc/xinet.d/telnet with your favourite text editor and change the appropriate line from disable to enable (you'll see it when you open it). Just killall -HUP xinetd and it should then listen on port 23 for telnet then. / Ben -----Original Message----- From: Craig Reynolds [mailto:reynoldscraigr at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 20 January 2002 3:06 PM To: plug at plug.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [plug] getting telnet access I had forgotten it actually, but the problem is still there, my connection is refused. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ? ?raig ?eynolds ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just because this is never going to work is no reason to be negative! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kai" To: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [plug] getting telnet access > I dunno if it's typo but did you remember to include the : after > telnetd? ie > in.telnetd: 203.59.50.95/255.255.255.240 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Craig Reynolds" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 2:46 PM > Subject: [plug] getting telnet access > > > > Hi guys, I've got a fresh RH 7.2 install an I'm having trouble > > getting telnet acces to it, so I was hoping someone would be able to > > point me in > the > > right direction. > > > > As best I can tell it should work. I turned the firewall of during > install, > > and I have the IP range of the network I want to get at it from in > > /etc/hosts.allow, as follows > > > > in.telnetd 203.59.50.95/255.255.255.240 > > > > The problem that I am getting is that whenever I try to telnet in, > > it > tells > > me that the connection has been refused. An I can ping the machine, > > any ideas? > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ? ?raig ?eynolds ? > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Just because this is never going to work is no reason to be > > negative! > > > > > > From jensz at wn.com.au Sun Jan 20 16:22:37 2002 From: jensz at wn.com.au (Ben Jensz) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:22:37 +0800 Subject: [plug] getting telnet access In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c1a18b$9ed8d0e0$0a00a8c0@3fragsleft.net> Sorry, that should've been /etc/xinetd.d, if that dir isn't there, then you're missing some packages you really need.. / Ben -----Original Message----- From: Craig Reynolds [mailto:reynoldscraigr at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 20 January 2002 3:36 PM To: plug at plug.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [plug] getting telnet access I dont appear to have /etc/xinet.d/telnet, nor the directory /etc/xinet.d. Should I create the telnet file in /etc/xinetd.d ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ? ?raig ?eynolds ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just because this is never going to work is no reason to be negative! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Jensz" To: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:25 PM Subject: RE: [plug] getting telnet access Have you told xinetd to run the telnet-server? Because in 7.2 it isn't enabled as per default.. open the file /etc/xinet.d/telnet with your favourite text editor and change the appropriate line from disable to enable (you'll see it when you open it). Just killall -HUP xinetd and it should then listen on port 23 for telnet then. / Ben -----Original Message----- From: Craig Reynolds [mailto:reynoldscraigr at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 20 January 2002 3:06 PM To: plug at plug.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [plug] getting telnet access I had forgotten it actually, but the problem is still there, my connection is refused. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ? ?raig ?eynolds ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just because this is never going to work is no reason to be negative! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kai" To: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [plug] getting telnet access > I dunno if it's typo but did you remember to include the : after > telnetd? ie > in.telnetd: 203.59.50.95/255.255.255.240 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Craig Reynolds" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 2:46 PM > Subject: [plug] getting telnet access > > > > Hi guys, I've got a fresh RH 7.2 install an I'm having trouble > > getting telnet acces to it, so I was hoping someone would be able to > > point me in > the > > right direction. > > > > As best I can tell it should work. I turned the firewall of during > install, > > and I have the IP range of the network I want to get at it from in > > /etc/hosts.allow, as follows > > > > in.telnetd 203.59.50.95/255.255.255.240 > > > > The problem that I am getting is that whenever I try to telnet in, > > it > tells > > me that the connection has been refused. An I can ping the machine, > > any ideas? > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ? ?raig ?eynolds ? > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Just because this is never going to work is no reason to be > > negative! > > > > > > From reynoldscraigr at hotmail.com Sun Jan 20 16:55:36 2002 From: reynoldscraigr at hotmail.com (Craig Reynolds) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:55:36 +0800 Subject: [plug] getting telnet access References: <000001c1a18b$9ed8d0e0$0a00a8c0@3fragsleft.net> Message-ID: I have got /etc/xinetd.d, but not the telnet file. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ? ?raig ?eynolds ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just because this is never going to work is no reason to be negative! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Jensz" To: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 4:22 PM Subject: RE: [plug] getting telnet access Sorry, that should've been /etc/xinetd.d, if that dir isn't there, then you're missing some packages you really need.. / Ben -----Original Message----- From: Craig Reynolds [mailto:reynoldscraigr at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 20 January 2002 3:36 PM To: plug at plug.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [plug] getting telnet access I dont appear to have /etc/xinet.d/telnet, nor the directory /etc/xinet.d. Should I create the telnet file in /etc/xinetd.d ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ? ?raig ?eynolds ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just because this is never going to work is no reason to be negative! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Jensz" To: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:25 PM Subject: RE: [plug] getting telnet access Have you told xinetd to run the telnet-server? Because in 7.2 it isn't enabled as per default.. open the file /etc/xinet.d/telnet with your favourite text editor and change the appropriate line from disable to enable (you'll see it when you open it). Just killall -HUP xinetd and it should then listen on port 23 for telnet then. / Ben -----Original Message----- From: Craig Reynolds [mailto:reynoldscraigr at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 20 January 2002 3:06 PM To: plug at plug.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [plug] getting telnet access I had forgotten it actually, but the problem is still there, my connection is refused. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ? ?raig ?eynolds ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just because this is never going to work is no reason to be negative! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kai" To: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [plug] getting telnet access > I dunno if it's typo but did you remember to include the : after > telnetd? ie > in.telnetd: 203.59.50.95/255.255.255.240 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Craig Reynolds" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 2:46 PM > Subject: [plug] getting telnet access > > > > Hi guys, I've got a fresh RH 7.2 install an I'm having trouble > > getting telnet acces to it, so I was hoping someone would be able to > > point me in > the > > right direction. > > > > As best I can tell it should work. I turned the firewall of during > install, > > and I have the IP range of the network I want to get at it from in > > /etc/hosts.allow, as follows > > > > in.telnetd 203.59.50.95/255.255.255.240 > > > > The problem that I am getting is that whenever I try to telnet in, > > it > tells > > me that the connection has been refused. An I can ping the machine, > > any ideas? > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ? ?raig ?eynolds ? > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Just because this is never going to work is no reason to be > > negative! > > > > > > From skribe at amber.com.au Sun Jan 20 17:27:10 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:27:10 +0800 Subject: [plug] AOL/Time Warner & Redhat? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02012017271001.01751@oberon.amber.com.au> On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:53, Arkem (Paul) wrote: > For those who may not of heard it looks as if AOL is contemplating > buying Redhat. You haven't checked the web page recently I see =). My comments about the potential sale are available there. skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 Let us, then, fellow citizens, unite with one heart and one mind. Let us restore to social intercourse that harmony and affection without which liberty and even life itself are but dreary things. And let us reflect that having banished from our land that religious intolerance under which mankind so long bled, we have yet gained little if we counternance a political intolerance as despotic, as wicked, and capable of a bitter and bloody persecutions. - Thomas Jefferson From bret at busby.net Sun Jan 20 17:31:24 2002 From: bret at busby.net (Bret Busby) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:31:24 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] AOL/Time Warner & Redhat? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Arkem (Paul) wrote: > > For those who may not of heard it looks as if AOL is contemplating > buying Redhat. > > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/01/19/041215&mode=thread > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/01/19/1912259&mode=thread > > I still haven't decided if this is a good thing or not, how about > everyone else 'round these parts? What do you all think. > > Regards, > Paul C > What we think (me missus and me), is that we cannot access the web pages specified. As to whether AOL should eat Red Hat, in its campaign to emulate microsod and try to take over the world, well, that's another thing. Red Hat appears to have gone downhill, since RH 6.2, and Netscape seems to have gone downhill since Netscape 4.61, and, neither either acknowledge, or, respond to email communications, so, to me, I doubt that it will make alot of difference. I am likely to stick with RH 6.2, as much as possible, until I have to (or, amd inclined to) start switching to the dark art of debian. -- Bret Busby .............. From wayne.vovil at ausi.com Sun Jan 20 17:34:33 2002 From: wayne.vovil at ausi.com (Wayne Vovil) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 01:34:33 -0800 Subject: [plug] suse 7.3 prof install Message-ID: <200201200934.g0K9YX506932@mail17.bigmailbox.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From bret at busby.net Sun Jan 20 17:41:03 2002 From: bret at busby.net (Bret Busby) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:41:03 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] AOL/Time Warner & Redhat? (fwd) Message-ID: From: skribe Let us, then, fellow citizens, unite with one heart and one mind. Let us restore to social intercourse that harmony and affection without which liberty and even life itself are but dreary things. And let us reflect that having banished from our land that religious intolerance under which mankind so long bled, we have yet gained little if we counternance a political intolerance as despotic, as wicked, and capable of a bitter and bloody persecutions. - Thomas Jefferson Eh, wot? What is all of that, in plain english? Bret Busby .......... From colin at twobluedots.com.au Sun Jan 20 17:49:15 2002 From: colin at twobluedots.com.au (Colin Muller) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:49:15 +0800 Subject: [plug] AOL/Time Warner & Redhat? (fwd) In-Reply-To: ; from bret@busby.net on Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 05:41:03PM +0800 References: Message-ID: <20020120174915.A10039@twobluedots.com.au> On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 05:41:03PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > > From: skribe > > Let us, then, fellow citizens, unite with one heart and one mind. Let us > restore to social intercourse that harmony and affection without which > liberty and even life itself are but dreary things. And let us reflect > that having banished from our land that religious intolerance under which > mankind so long bled, we have yet gained little if we counternance a > political intolerance as despotic, as wicked, and capable of a bitter and > bloody persecutions. > - Thomas Jefferson > > Eh, wot? > > What is all of that, in plain english? "Chill" Colin From christian at amnet.net.au Sun Jan 20 17:51:33 2002 From: christian at amnet.net.au (Christian) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:51:33 +0800 Subject: [OT] Tech support Re: [plug] AOL/Time Warner & Redhat? In-Reply-To: ; from bret@busby.net on Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 05:31:24PM +0800 References: Message-ID: <20020120175133.A26208@eagle.amnet.net.au> On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 05:31:24PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > Red Hat appears to have gone downhill, since RH 6.2, and Netscape seems to > have gone downhill since Netscape 4.61, and, neither either acknowledge, > or, respond to email communications, so, to me, I doubt that it will make > alot of difference. I am likely to stick with RH 6.2, as much as possible, > until I have to (or, amd inclined to) start switching to the dark art of > debian. Do you have a tech support contract with either? (Could be why they don't respond to your emails.) -- DSA 0x2A0F80F3: 39F3 4E10 9BE9 E728 A9EE 029C D51D EE53 2A0F 80F3 From bret at busby.net Sun Jan 20 18:38:42 2002 From: bret at busby.net (Bret Busby) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:38:42 +0800 (WST) Subject: [OT] Tech support Re: [plug] AOL/Time Warner & Redhat? In-Reply-To: <20020120175133.A26208@eagle.amnet.net.au> Message-ID: On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Christian wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 05:31:24PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > > Red Hat appears to have gone downhill, since RH 6.2, and Netscape seems to > > have gone downhill since Netscape 4.61, and, neither either acknowledge, > > or, respond to email communications, so, to me, I doubt that it will make > > alot of difference. I am likely to stick with RH 6.2, as much as possible, > > until I have to (or, amd inclined to) start switching to the dark art of > > debian. > > Do you have a tech support contract with either? (Could be why they > don't respond to your emails.) > > No. Why do we need a tech support contract, for bug fix stuff? When software has bugs in it, and, websites are malfunctional (broken links, etc), and, so on, why do we need to pay to get bug fixes? You don't work for microsod, do you ? -- Bret Busby .............. From jensz at wn.com.au Sun Jan 20 19:21:00 2002 From: jensz at wn.com.au (Ben Jensz) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:21:00 +0800 Subject: [plug] getting telnet access In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101c1a1a4$89d439a0$0a00a8c0@3fragsleft.net> Hi Craig, Create a file called telnet in that dir with the following contents: # description: The telnet server serves telnet sessions; it uses \ # unencrypted username/password pairs for authentication. service telnet { disable = no flags = REUSE socket_type = stream wait = no user = root server = /usr/sbin/in.telnetd log_on_failure += USERID } / Ben -----Original Message----- From: Craig Reynolds [mailto:reynoldscraigr at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 20 January 2002 4:56 PM To: plug at plug.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [plug] getting telnet access I have got /etc/xinetd.d, but not the telnet file. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ? ?raig ?eynolds ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just because this is never going to work is no reason to be negative! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Jensz" To: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 4:22 PM Subject: RE: [plug] getting telnet access Sorry, that should've been /etc/xinetd.d, if that dir isn't there, then you're missing some packages you really need.. / Ben -----Original Message----- From: Craig Reynolds [mailto:reynoldscraigr at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 20 January 2002 3:36 PM To: plug at plug.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [plug] getting telnet access I dont appear to have /etc/xinet.d/telnet, nor the directory /etc/xinet.d. Should I create the telnet file in /etc/xinetd.d ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ? ?raig ?eynolds ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just because this is never going to work is no reason to be negative! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Jensz" To: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:25 PM Subject: RE: [plug] getting telnet access Have you told xinetd to run the telnet-server? Because in 7.2 it isn't enabled as per default.. open the file /etc/xinet.d/telnet with your favourite text editor and change the appropriate line from disable to enable (you'll see it when you open it). Just killall -HUP xinetd and it should then listen on port 23 for telnet then. / Ben -----Original Message----- From: Craig Reynolds [mailto:reynoldscraigr at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 20 January 2002 3:06 PM To: plug at plug.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [plug] getting telnet access I had forgotten it actually, but the problem is still there, my connection is refused. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ? ?raig ?eynolds ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just because this is never going to work is no reason to be negative! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kai" To: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [plug] getting telnet access > I dunno if it's typo but did you remember to include the : after > telnetd? ie > in.telnetd: 203.59.50.95/255.255.255.240 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Craig Reynolds" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 2:46 PM > Subject: [plug] getting telnet access > > > > Hi guys, I've got a fresh RH 7.2 install an I'm having trouble > > getting telnet acces to it, so I was hoping someone would be able to > > point me in > the > > right direction. > > > > As best I can tell it should work. I turned the firewall of during > install, > > and I have the IP range of the network I want to get at it from in > > /etc/hosts.allow, as follows > > > > in.telnetd 203.59.50.95/255.255.255.240 > > > > The problem that I am getting is that whenever I try to telnet in, > > it > tells > > me that the connection has been refused. An I can ping the machine, > > any ideas? > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ? ?raig ?eynolds ? > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Just because this is never going to work is no reason to be > > negative! > > > > > > From jensz at wn.com.au Sun Jan 20 19:43:30 2002 From: jensz at wn.com.au (Ben Jensz) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:43:30 +0800 Subject: [plug] system crash? Message-ID: <000201c1a1a7$aef9c760$0a00a8c0@3fragsleft.net> Hey all, Wondering whether anyone could shed any light on this error: Jan 20 17:37:02 server kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out Jan 20 17:37:02 server kernel: eth0: Transmit timed out: status e050 0000 at 1114 210759/1114210787 command 0001a000. It appears in /var/log/messages lots of times from about the time the server stopped responding until the time it was reset a short while ago. Anyone? TIA :) / Ben From anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com Sun Jan 20 20:59:55 2002 From: anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com (John Knight) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:59:55 +0800 Subject: [plug] suse 7.3 prof installation Message-ID: Hey up! :) It spunds like you've been changing a few here and there to me, what have you been choosing that isn't there by default? Try doing a comletely normal installation, free of any changes what-so-ever and see if it works. Then do a custom installation with a few bit added here and there and see if you can isolate the problem. I'm not sure what "MTTR" stands for but it may be something to do with an hardware conflict, if your installation isn't successful when it's free of modification, can you give us your system specs? A word of warning about SuSE though, even if you choose UK English at the start of the installation, you'll still have to choose KDE i18n and look for the en_GB bit in the custom package section. Overall, I'm rather annoyed at SuSE's implementation of our language module, it's rather sloppy to say the least and puts the user out if they want to customise their language options at all! If that weren't bad enough, they've made their own modifications to Control Centre that are still in US English and that reflects badly on us! I emailed them before but they haven't replied. :( Giz a shout when you've the info, eh? anarchist tomato P.S. How come everyone writes "install" instead of "installation" nowadays? EEWWWW! >Hi > >I tried to upgrade my linux system from suse 7.1 prof to 7.3 prof. > >When I tried to login, I got a message stating that there "were no more >MTTRs available". The system hung after I did a graphical login, during KDE >init at "loading window manager". > >So I did a new install of 7.3. Same problem. I boot, get selection, select >linux, get graphical login screen, login, get user screen with KDE logo, >goes through init, etc, to window manager and freezes. > >Before I go back to 7.1 and give up (I was happy with 7.1; but I wanted >latest kde etc), any suggestions. > >cheers > >Wayne > > > >------------------------------------------------------------ >FREE EMAIL for all from AUSI at http://ausi.com Access world wide. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From vk6ksj at siwa.com.au Sun Jan 20 21:21:59 2002 From: vk6ksj at siwa.com.au (Kai) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:21:59 +0800 Subject: [plug] Intermittant, constant crashes Message-ID: <3C4AC477.5000404@siwa.com.au> Howdy all, For a while now my 6.2 firewall/javaradio server has been crashing for no apparent reason after no regular time interval. I have been checking the logs I know of and nothing appears to be wrong, however, here's a basic run down. Machine boots fine, no worries....then, maybe after 10 minutes or 3 days the machine will unexpectedly stop responding to any keyboard requests and only a hardware reset will get it running again. A common time for the server to stop responding is about 12 hour or so, but, as I wrote before it has crashed anywhere from 10 minutes or 3 days. That's about it really, for no apparent reason the machine stop responding and I can't find any trace of why in the error logs that I know of...everything shows as normal. System is: Pentium 233MMX with 64 Megs of RAM Red Hat Linux 6.2 I have used the same machine for a few years now and this has only happened in the last few months, I didn't want to bother anyone on list before I checked the logs and did some troubleshooting, however, I'm not a full bottle on Linux, far from it and any help would be more than welcome I can hear a lot of people say "wipe that crap off their and install Debian", that might work but it won't solve the problem of why this machine crashes without any warning. I am out of ideas and any feedback would be greatly appreciated. I hope I've provided enough info. TIA Kai From billk at iinet.net.au Sun Jan 20 21:09:51 2002 From: billk at iinet.net.au (Bill Kenworthy) Date: 20 Jan 2002 21:09:51 +0800 Subject: [plug] getting telnet access In-Reply-To: <000101c1a1a4$89d439a0$0a00a8c0@3fragsleft.net> References: <000101c1a1a4$89d439a0$0a00a8c0@3fragsleft.net> Message-ID: <1011532191.4766.6.camel@rattus.Localdomain> Ive come on this thread late, but it seems more likely that the telnet server has not been installed - in Mandrake it is not installed by default - you have to manually do it - hence the missing xinet.d/telnet file. Note that the telnet client is installed and is a different package. For Mandrake 8.1: [root at rattus BUILD]# rpm -qlp /home/rpm/cd/cd2/Mandrake/RPMS2/telnet-server-krb5-1.2.2-11mdk.i586.rpm /etc/xinetd.d/telnet /usr/sbin/telnetd /usr/share/man/man8/telnetd.8.bz2 [root at rattus BUILD]# i.e., 7.2 will have a different package version, but /etc/xinetd.d/telnet should be part of it. BillK On Sun, 2002-01-20 at 19:21, Ben Jensz wrote: > Hi Craig, > > Create a file called telnet in that dir with the following contents: > > # description: The telnet server serves telnet sessions; it uses \ > # unencrypted username/password pairs for authentication. > service telnet > { > disable = no > flags = REUSE > socket_type = stream > wait = no > user = root > server = /usr/sbin/in.telnetd > log_on_failure += USERID > } > > > / Ben > > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig Reynolds [mailto:reynoldscraigr at hotmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, 20 January 2002 4:56 PM > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: Re: [plug] getting telnet access > > > I have got /etc/xinetd.d, but not the telnet file. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ? ?raig ?eynolds ? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Just because this is never going to work is no reason to be negative! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ben Jensz" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 4:22 PM > Subject: RE: [plug] getting telnet access > > > Sorry, that should've been /etc/xinetd.d, if that dir isn't there, then > you're missing some packages you really need.. > > > / Ben > > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig Reynolds [mailto:reynoldscraigr at hotmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, 20 January 2002 3:36 PM > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: Re: [plug] getting telnet access > > > I dont appear to have /etc/xinet.d/telnet, nor the directory > /etc/xinet.d. > > Should I create the telnet file in /etc/xinetd.d ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ? ?raig > ?eynolds ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just because this is never going to work is no > reason to be negative! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ben Jensz" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:25 PM > Subject: RE: [plug] getting telnet access > > > Have you told xinetd to run the telnet-server? > > Because in 7.2 it isn't enabled as per default.. open the file > /etc/xinet.d/telnet with your favourite text editor and change the > appropriate line from disable to enable (you'll see it when you open > it). Just killall -HUP xinetd and it should then listen on port 23 for > telnet then. > > > / Ben > > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig Reynolds [mailto:reynoldscraigr at hotmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, 20 January 2002 3:06 PM > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: Re: [plug] getting telnet access > > > I had forgotten it actually, but the problem is still there, my > connection is refused. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ? ?raig ?eynolds ? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Just because this is never going to work is no reason to be negative! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kai" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:12 PM > Subject: Re: [plug] getting telnet access > > > > I dunno if it's typo but did you remember to include the : after > > telnetd? ie > > in.telnetd: 203.59.50.95/255.255.255.240 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Craig Reynolds" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 2:46 PM > > Subject: [plug] getting telnet access > > > > > > > Hi guys, I've got a fresh RH 7.2 install an I'm having trouble > > > getting telnet acces to it, so I was hoping someone would be able to > > > > point me in > > the > > > right direction. > > > > > > As best I can tell it should work. I turned the firewall of during > > install, > > > and I have the IP range of the network I want to get at it from in > > > /etc/hosts.allow, as follows > > > > > > in.telnetd 203.59.50.95/255.255.255.240 > > > > > > The problem that I am getting is that whenever I try to telnet in, > > > it > > tells > > > me that the connection has been refused. An I can ping the machine, > > > any ideas? > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > ? ?raig ?eynolds ? > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > Just because this is never going to work is no reason to be > > > negative! > > > > > > > > > > > > > From billk at iinet.net.au Sun Jan 20 21:21:03 2002 From: billk at iinet.net.au (Bill Kenworthy) Date: 20 Jan 2002 21:21:03 +0800 Subject: [plug] Intermittant, constant crashes In-Reply-To: <3C4AC477.5000404@siwa.com.au> References: <3C4AC477.5000404@siwa.com.au> Message-ID: <1011532863.4766.17.camel@rattus.Localdomain> open the box and check the fans and heatsinks for buildup of lint or not working properly - when was the last time you lifted the lid?. Is there a correlation between room temperature or system load that indicates a heat problem? Kernal oop's are indicative of heat problems with amd k6's (I note you have a pentium), though not all the time - an occasional one appearing at the start of hot weather has always been "lift the lid and vacuum time" for me! With an old machine, it is also possible you have a bad memory module, or a dying hard drive (this should show up in the logs though). Software is actually a less likely cause of this type of crash than hardware (unless you are running you know what!) On Sun, 2002-01-20 at 21:21, Kai wrote: > Howdy all, > > For a while now my 6.2 firewall/javaradio server has been crashing for > no apparent reason after no regular time interval. > I have been checking the logs I know of and nothing appears to be wrong, > however, here's a basic run down. > > Machine boots fine, no worries....then, maybe after 10 minutes or 3 days > the machine will unexpectedly stop responding to any keyboard requests > and only a hardware reset will get it running again. A common time for > the server to stop responding is about 12 hour or so, but, as I wrote > before it has crashed anywhere from 10 minutes or 3 days. > That's about it really, for no apparent reason the machine stop > responding and I can't find any trace of why in the error logs that I > know of...everything shows as normal. > > System is: > Pentium 233MMX with 64 Megs of RAM > Red Hat Linux 6.2 > > I have used the same machine for a few years now and this has only > happened in the last few months, I didn't want to bother anyone on list > before I checked the logs and did some troubleshooting, however, I'm not > a full bottle on Linux, far from it and any help would be more than welcome > > I can hear a lot of people say "wipe that crap off their and install > Debian", that might work but it won't solve the problem of why this > machine crashes without any warning. > I am out of ideas and any feedback would be greatly appreciated. > > I hope I've provided enough info. > TIA > > Kai > From leon at brooks.fdns.net Sun Jan 20 21:24:08 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:24:08 +0800 Subject: [plug] getting telnet access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020120132422.C43EF3251E3@mail.old-firestation.net> On Sunday 20 January 2002 14:46, Craig Reynolds wrote: > Hi guys, I've got a fresh RH 7.2 install an I'm having trouble getting > telnet acces to it, so I was hoping someone would be able to point me in > the right direction. Use ssh instead. If you have to get in from Windows, use PuTTY (GPL). I have patches to make this do SCO funkeys and some basic printery stuff, but it's fast, light (no DLL hell) and simple, and has lots of convenience features like scrollback and autologin. It also has a telnet client. Do netstat -tanp (or -pant, or -antp, etc, your choice) and make sure you actually have a telnet listening. Check the firewall (ipchains|iptables) rules (if any). If you are going ``across'' the box to get there, make sure that IP forwarding is enabled. Check /etc/hosts.deny as well. Cheers; Leon From leon at brooks.fdns.net Sun Jan 20 21:26:21 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:26:21 +0800 Subject: [plug] suse 7.3 prof install In-Reply-To: <200201200934.g0K9YX506932@mail17.bigmailbox.com> References: <200201200934.g0K9YX506932@mail17.bigmailbox.com> Message-ID: <20020120132634.B24CC3251E3@mail.old-firestation.net> On Sunday 20 January 2002 17:34, Wayne Vovil wrote: > Before I go back to 7.1 and give up (I was happy with 7.1; but I wanted > latest kde etc), any suggestions. Buy a six-pack of MTRRs and bolt them in? (-: Try running the hard drive on a different CPU (ie, if Intel, try AMD and vice versa). Cheers; Leon From leon at brooks.fdns.net Sun Jan 20 21:28:25 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:28:25 +0800 Subject: [OT] Tech support Re: [plug] AOL/Time Warner & Redhat? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020120132840.245683251E3@mail.old-firestation.net> On Sunday 20 January 2002 18:38, Bret Busby wrote: > Why do we need a tech support contract, for bug fix stuff? > When software has bugs in it, and, websites are malfunctional (broken > links, etc), and, so on, why do we need to pay to get bug fixes? Many proprietary companies work like that. Generally, things don't have to make sense in order for people to do them. > You don't work for microsod, do you ? Not yet. Cheers; Leon From leon at brooks.fdns.net Sun Jan 20 21:37:52 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:37:52 +0800 Subject: [plug] dance Message-ID: <20020120133808.BBBB23251E3@mail.old-firestation.net> Needs music: http://www.hinklecreek.com/penguin/indexpenguin.htm From vk6ksj at siwa.com.au Sun Jan 20 22:01:48 2002 From: vk6ksj at siwa.com.au (Kai) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:01:48 +0800 Subject: [plug] Intermittant, constant crashes Message-ID: <3C4ACDCC.1080705@siwa.com.au> That's one thing I haven't checked that I should have - hardware. Opened the box and blew a crap load of dust and stuff out of the cooling fan and now it's running at a resonable speed...might be up few a newie soon. Cheers Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Kenworthy" To: "Plug List" Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [plug] Intermittant, constant crashes > open the box and check the fans and heatsinks for buildup of lint or not > working properly - when was the last time you lifted the lid?. Is there > a correlation between room temperature or system load that indicates a > heat problem? Kernal oop's are indicative of heat problems with amd > k6's (I note you have a pentium), though not all the time - an > occasional one appearing at the start of hot weather has always been > "lift the lid and vacuum time" for me! > > With an old machine, it is also possible you have a bad memory module, > or a dying hard drive (this should show up in the logs though). > Software is actually a less likely cause of this type of crash than > hardware (unless you are running you know what!) >- SNIP -< From reynoldscraigr at hotmail.com Sun Jan 20 22:17:43 2002 From: reynoldscraigr at hotmail.com (Craig Reynolds) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:17:43 +0800 Subject: [plug] getting telnet access References: <000101c1a1a4$89d439a0$0a00a8c0@3fragsleft.net> Message-ID: Ok, I did that hoping problem would be solved, but no such luck. I had a look for /usr/sbin/in.telnetd, as referenced in the telnet file and it does not exist, which is odd given that the telnet package is installed. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ? ?raig ?eynolds ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just because this is never going to work is no reason to be negative! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Jensz" To: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 7:21 PM Subject: RE: [plug] getting telnet access Hi Craig, Create a file called telnet in that dir with the following contents: # description: The telnet server serves telnet sessions; it uses \ # unencrypted username/password pairs for authentication. service telnet { disable = no flags = REUSE socket_type = stream wait = no user = root server = /usr/sbin/in.telnetd log_on_failure += USERID } / Ben -----Original Message----- From: Craig Reynolds [mailto:reynoldscraigr at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 20 January 2002 4:56 PM To: plug at plug.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [plug] getting telnet access I have got /etc/xinetd.d, but not the telnet file. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ? ?raig ?eynolds ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just because this is never going to work is no reason to be negative! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Jensz" To: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 4:22 PM Subject: RE: [plug] getting telnet access Sorry, that should've been /etc/xinetd.d, if that dir isn't there, then you're missing some packages you really need.. / Ben -----Original Message----- From: Craig Reynolds [mailto:reynoldscraigr at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 20 January 2002 3:36 PM To: plug at plug.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [plug] getting telnet access I dont appear to have /etc/xinet.d/telnet, nor the directory /etc/xinet.d. Should I create the telnet file in /etc/xinetd.d ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ? ?raig ?eynolds ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just because this is never going to work is no reason to be negative! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Jensz" To: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:25 PM Subject: RE: [plug] getting telnet access Have you told xinetd to run the telnet-server? Because in 7.2 it isn't enabled as per default.. open the file /etc/xinet.d/telnet with your favourite text editor and change the appropriate line from disable to enable (you'll see it when you open it). Just killall -HUP xinetd and it should then listen on port 23 for telnet then. / Ben -----Original Message----- From: Craig Reynolds [mailto:reynoldscraigr at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 20 January 2002 3:06 PM To: plug at plug.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [plug] getting telnet access I had forgotten it actually, but the problem is still there, my connection is refused. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ? ?raig ?eynolds ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just because this is never going to work is no reason to be negative! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kai" To: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [plug] getting telnet access > I dunno if it's typo but did you remember to include the : after > telnetd? ie > in.telnetd: 203.59.50.95/255.255.255.240 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Craig Reynolds" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 2:46 PM > Subject: [plug] getting telnet access > > > > Hi guys, I've got a fresh RH 7.2 install an I'm having trouble > > getting telnet acces to it, so I was hoping someone would be able to > > point me in > the > > right direction. > > > > As best I can tell it should work. I turned the firewall of during > install, > > and I have the IP range of the network I want to get at it from in > > /etc/hosts.allow, as follows > > > > in.telnetd 203.59.50.95/255.255.255.240 > > > > The problem that I am getting is that whenever I try to telnet in, > > it > tells > > me that the connection has been refused. An I can ping the machine, > > any ideas? > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ? ?raig ?eynolds ? > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Just because this is never going to work is no reason to be > > negative! > > > > > > From solhanna at dingoblue.net.au Sun Jan 20 22:27:34 2002 From: solhanna at dingoblue.net.au (Sol) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:27:34 +0800 Subject: [OT] Tech support Re: [plug] AOL/Time Warner & Redhat? References: <20020120175133.A26208@eagle.amnet.net.au> Message-ID: <3C4AD3D6.6000200@dingoblue.net.au> Christian wrote: >On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 05:31:24PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > >>Red Hat appears to have gone downhill, since RH 6.2, and Netscape seems to >>have gone downhill since Netscape 4.61, and, neither either acknowledge, >>or, respond to email communications, so, to me, I doubt that it will make >>alot of difference. I am likely to stick with RH 6.2, as much as possible, >>until I have to (or, amd inclined to) start switching to the dark art of >>debian. >> Come on, you know you want to. Apt-get. Mmmmmm. ;-) Actually, after the freedom factor, the two main reasons I decided to switch to the "dark art" were because I wanted to learn more about computing and considered that KDE holding my hand was probably a hindrance to this, and because Debian doesn't so much have "users" as "devotees" who are often, I have found, much more willing to provide advice on and ongoing basis. I found this out the hard way when I encountered problems with configuring my modem when I first installed SuSE 7.0 on my first computer some sixteen months ago. I had a registered copy, so I emailed (using Windows from the first partition) SuSE and found them not terribly helpful. They seemed to want me running around in circles until my 30 days service ran out. I've since found PLUGers to be much more helpful - even when I ask stupid questions! Isn't community support meant to be one of the pluses of OSS after all? Regards, Sol > From reynoldscraigr at hotmail.com Sun Jan 20 22:52:05 2002 From: reynoldscraigr at hotmail.com (Craig Reynolds) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:52:05 +0800 Subject: [plug] getting telnet access References: <20020120132422.C43EF3251E3@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: Ok, thanks to all those who gave suggestions I have come to the realisation that I did not have a telnet server installed. Now I have that set up, I can telnet in, BUT, I can't log in as it doesn't seem to want ot accept the username and password that I give it. I have tried using both root and another user that I created at setup. Any suggestions on this one? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ? ?raig ?eynolds ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just because this is never going to work is no reason to be negative! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leon Brooks" To: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [plug] getting telnet access > On Sunday 20 January 2002 14:46, Craig Reynolds wrote: > > Hi guys, I've got a fresh RH 7.2 install an I'm having trouble getting > > telnet acces to it, so I was hoping someone would be able to point me in > > the right direction. > > Use ssh instead. If you have to get in from Windows, use PuTTY (GPL). I have > patches to make this do SCO funkeys and some basic printery stuff, but it's > fast, light (no DLL hell) and simple, and has lots of convenience features > like scrollback and autologin. > > It also has a telnet client. > > Do netstat -tanp (or -pant, or -antp, etc, your choice) and make sure you > actually have a telnet listening. > > Check the firewall (ipchains|iptables) rules (if any). > > If you are going ``across'' the box to get there, make sure that IP > forwarding is enabled. > > Check /etc/hosts.deny as well. > > Cheers; Leon > > From billk at iinet.net.au Sun Jan 20 23:03:53 2002 From: billk at iinet.net.au (Bill Kenworthy) Date: 20 Jan 2002 23:03:53 +0800 Subject: [plug] getting telnet access In-Reply-To: References: <20020120132422.C43EF3251E3@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: <1011539033.6918.1.camel@rattus.Localdomain> Now you have it installed, go back and edit the xinet.d/telnet file and enable it, then kill -HUP xinetd to reread the config. Note that logging in as root in telnet, ssh etc is disabled by default in most distros - users only and su! BillK On Sun, 2002-01-20 at 22:52, Craig Reynolds wrote: > Ok, thanks to all those who gave suggestions I have come to the realisation > that I did not have a telnet server installed. Now I have that set up, I can > telnet in, BUT, I can't log in as it doesn't seem to want ot accept the > username and password that I give it. I have tried using both root and > another user that I created at setup. Any suggestions on this one? > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ? ?raig ?eynolds ? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Just because this is never going to work is no reason to be negative! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leon Brooks" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 9:24 PM > Subject: Re: [plug] getting telnet access > > > > On Sunday 20 January 2002 14:46, Craig Reynolds wrote: > > > Hi guys, I've got a fresh RH 7.2 install an I'm having trouble getting > > > telnet acces to it, so I was hoping someone would be able to point me in > > > the right direction. > > > > Use ssh instead. If you have to get in from Windows, use PuTTY (GPL). I > have > > patches to make this do SCO funkeys and some basic printery stuff, but > it's > > fast, light (no DLL hell) and simple, and has lots of convenience features > > like scrollback and autologin. > > > > It also has a telnet client. > > > > Do netstat -tanp (or -pant, or -antp, etc, your choice) and make sure you > > actually have a telnet listening. > > > > Check the firewall (ipchains|iptables) rules (if any). > > > > If you are going ``across'' the box to get there, make sure that IP > > forwarding is enabled. > > > > Check /etc/hosts.deny as well. > > > > Cheers; Leon > > > > > From reynoldscraigr at hotmail.com Sun Jan 20 23:27:20 2002 From: reynoldscraigr at hotmail.com (Craig Reynolds) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:27:20 +0800 Subject: [plug] getting telnet access References: <20020120132422.C43EF3251E3@mail.old-firestation.net> <1011539033.6918.1.camel@rattus.Localdomain> Message-ID: Ahh, 'tis a thing of beauty to see it work finally. The reason I couldn't log in was that the user account I set up suring install was set to use my work username accidentally, and I hadn't realised as there is only 1 character difference. It works now. Thanks to everyone who contributed to the solution. For future reference, what needs to be done to allow root to log in remotely? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ? ?raig ?eynolds ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just because this is never going to work is no reason to be negative! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Kenworthy" To: "Plug List" Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [plug] getting telnet access Now you have it installed, go back and edit the xinet.d/telnet file and enable it, then kill -HUP xinetd to reread the config. Note that logging in as root in telnet, ssh etc is disabled by default in most distros - users only and su! BillK On Sun, 2002-01-20 at 22:52, Craig Reynolds wrote: > Ok, thanks to all those who gave suggestions I have come to the realisation > that I did not have a telnet server installed. Now I have that set up, I can > telnet in, BUT, I can't log in as it doesn't seem to want ot accept the > username and password that I give it. I have tried using both root and > another user that I created at setup. Any suggestions on this one? > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ? ?raig ?eynolds ? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Just because this is never going to work is no reason to be negative! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leon Brooks" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 9:24 PM > Subject: Re: [plug] getting telnet access > > > > On Sunday 20 January 2002 14:46, Craig Reynolds wrote: > > > Hi guys, I've got a fresh RH 7.2 install an I'm having trouble getting > > > telnet acces to it, so I was hoping someone would be able to point me in > > > the right direction. > > > > Use ssh instead. If you have to get in from Windows, use PuTTY (GPL). I > have > > patches to make this do SCO funkeys and some basic printery stuff, but > it's > > fast, light (no DLL hell) and simple, and has lots of convenience features > > like scrollback and autologin. > > > > It also has a telnet client. > > > > Do netstat -tanp (or -pant, or -antp, etc, your choice) and make sure you > > actually have a telnet listening. > > > > Check the firewall (ipchains|iptables) rules (if any). > > > > If you are going ``across'' the box to get there, make sure that IP > > forwarding is enabled. > > > > Check /etc/hosts.deny as well. > > > > Cheers; Leon > > > > > From Adrian at Diskworld.com.au Mon Jan 21 00:00:52 2002 From: Adrian at Diskworld.com.au (Adrian Woodley) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 00:00:52 +0800 Subject: [plug] Bliss Message-ID: My life is now complete - I've found Rick Dangerous, the immortal Amiga game, for linux. *Sigh* From shorty at matrix.net.au Mon Jan 21 02:25:41 2002 From: shorty at matrix.net.au (Shane Short) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 02:25:41 +0800 Subject: [plug] Intermittant, constant crashes References: <3C4AC477.5000404@siwa.com.au> Message-ID: <000d01c1a1df$df8d1a70$b2663fcb@spinfx> kai you fool.... install debian *giggles* ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kai" To: "Perth Linux Users Group" Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 9:21 PM Subject: [plug] Intermittant, constant crashes > Howdy all, > > For a while now my 6.2 firewall/javaradio server has been crashing for > no apparent reason after no regular time interval. > I have been checking the logs I know of and nothing appears to be wrong, > however, here's a basic run down. > > Machine boots fine, no worries....then, maybe after 10 minutes or 3 days > the machine will unexpectedly stop responding to any keyboard requests > and only a hardware reset will get it running again. A common time for > the server to stop responding is about 12 hour or so, but, as I wrote > before it has crashed anywhere from 10 minutes or 3 days. > That's about it really, for no apparent reason the machine stop > responding and I can't find any trace of why in the error logs that I > know of...everything shows as normal. > > System is: > Pentium 233MMX with 64 Megs of RAM > Red Hat Linux 6.2 > > I have used the same machine for a few years now and this has only > happened in the last few months, I didn't want to bother anyone on list > before I checked the logs and did some troubleshooting, however, I'm not > a full bottle on Linux, far from it and any help would be more than welcome > > I can hear a lot of people say "wipe that crap off their and install > Debian", that might work but it won't solve the problem of why this > machine crashes without any warning. > I am out of ideas and any feedback would be greatly appreciated. > > I hope I've provided enough info. > TIA > > Kai > From leon at brooks.fdns.net Mon Jan 21 07:32:33 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 07:32:33 +0800 Subject: [plug] getting telnet access In-Reply-To: References: <1011539033.6918.1.camel@rattus.Localdomain> Message-ID: <20020120233251.C10E73251E2@mail.old-firestation.net> On Sunday 20 January 2002 23:27, Craig Reynolds wrote: > For future reference, what needs to be done to allow root to log in > remotely? First, a good stiff dose of Scotch to help you cope with what inevitably happens when you send stuff like passwords around the net in plaintext. Hint: the nearest Windows box can become a listening post in an instant; just read the wrong email or visit the wrong website. Allowing root to log in direct makes it at least twice as easy for Joe Random Cracker to get in and do damage. Do not rely on IP-based security, IP addresses can be spoofed. Then, if you're still wanting to do this, try man -k telnet and see if there's a man page for your telnet daemon (usually either telnetd or in.telnetd); generally, you can add a switch to xinetd's invokation of it. With SecureSHell, there's an option in /etc/ssh/ssh_conf called PermitRootLogin which you set to Yes. Cheers; Leon From garbuck at tpg.com.au Mon Jan 21 08:44:34 2002 From: garbuck at tpg.com.au (garry) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 08:44:34 +0800 Subject: [OT] Tech support Re: [plug] AOL/Time Warner & Redhat? In-Reply-To: <20020120132840.245683251E3@mail.old-firestation.net> References: <20020120132840.245683251E3@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: <200201210046.LAA19113@buffy.tpgi.com.au> > > You don't work for microsod, do you ? > > Not yet. > > Cheers; Leon But would you admit it if you did? 8^)== I wouldn't..... Regards, Garry From paul at canningcollege.wa.edu.au Mon Jan 21 08:55:40 2002 From: paul at canningcollege.wa.edu.au (Paul Dean) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 08:55:40 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] Intermittant, constant crashes In-Reply-To: <000d01c1a1df$df8d1a70$b2663fcb@spinfx> Message-ID: Hya, On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Shane Short wrote: > kai you fool.... install debian *giggles* > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kai" > To: "Perth Linux Users Group" > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 9:21 PM > Subject: [plug] Intermittant, constant crashes > > > > Howdy all, > > > > For a while now my 6.2 firewall/javaradio server has been crashing for > > no apparent reason after no regular time interval. > > I have been checking the logs I know of and nothing appears to be wrong, > > however, here's a basic run down. > > > > Machine boots fine, no worries....then, maybe after 10 minutes or 3 days > > the machine will unexpectedly stop responding to any keyboard requests > > and only a hardware reset will get it running again. A common time for > > the server to stop responding is about 12 hour or so, but, as I wrote > > before it has crashed anywhere from 10 minutes or 3 days. > > That's about it really, for no apparent reason the machine stop > > responding and I can't find any trace of why in the error logs that I > > know of...everything shows as normal. Do you get anything to the screen? Kernel panic maybe??? > > > > System is: > > Pentium 233MMX with 64 Megs of RAM > > Red Hat Linux 6.2 > > > > I have used the same machine for a few years now and this has only > > happened in the last few months, I didn't want to bother anyone on list > > before I checked the logs and did some troubleshooting, however, I'm not > > a full bottle on Linux, far from it and any help would be more than > welcome > > > > I can hear a lot of people say "wipe that crap off their and install > > Debian", that might work but it won't solve the problem of why this > > machine crashes without any warning. > > I am out of ideas and any feedback would be greatly appreciated. > > > > I hope I've provided enough info. > > TIA > > > > Kai > > > Had a similar problem with 6.2 and custom built kernels, I needed to use the distro kernel, tried the source rpm and all. Anyway just a thought. -- Paul... /***** Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again. -- Franklin P. Jones *****/ /*****All programmers are playwrights and all computers are lousy actors. -- Unknown*****/ /* How smart are Computers? They seem to need instructions all the time... -- Me */ From reynoldscraigr at hotmail.com Mon Jan 21 08:47:01 2002 From: reynoldscraigr at hotmail.com (Craig Reynolds) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 00:47:01 +0000 Subject: [plug] getting telnet access Message-ID: thanks for the info. I have no plans to use root, just wondered how it could be done if needed or wanted. Security in my case shouldn't be much of an issue since the box is behind a Linux server at the moment anyway. >From: Leon Brooks >Reply-To: plug at plug.linux.org.au >To: plug at plug.linux.org.au >Subject: Re: [plug] getting telnet access >Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 07:32:33 +0800 > >On Sunday 20 January 2002 23:27, Craig Reynolds wrote: > > For future reference, what needs to be done to allow root to log in > > remotely? > >First, a good stiff dose of Scotch to help you cope with what inevitably >happens when you send stuff like passwords around the net in plaintext. > >Hint: the nearest Windows box can become a listening post in an instant; >just >read the wrong email or visit the wrong website. Allowing root to log in >direct makes it at least twice as easy for Joe Random Cracker to get in and >do damage. Do not rely on IP-based security, IP addresses can be spoofed. > >Then, if you're still wanting to do this, try man -k telnet and see if >there's a man page for your telnet daemon (usually either telnetd or >in.telnetd); generally, you can add a switch to xinetd's invokation of it. >With SecureSHell, there's an option in /etc/ssh/ssh_conf called >PermitRootLogin which you set to Yes. > >Cheers; Leon > ?raig ?eynolds "Just Because this is never going to work is no reason to be negative!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From vk6ksj at siwa.com.au Mon Jan 21 09:28:06 2002 From: vk6ksj at siwa.com.au (Kai) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:28:06 +0800 Subject: [plug] Intermittant, constant crashes Message-ID: <3C4B6EA6.2050706@siwa.com.au> -- SNIP -- > Do you get anything to the screen? > Kernel panic maybe??? > Nope, nothing at all.../var/log/messages is clean which is why I couldn't understand the crashing ! -- SNIP -- > Had a similar problem with 6.2 and custom built kernels, I needed to use > the distro kernel, tried the source rpm and all. > Anyway just a thought. I took Bill's advice and opened the box...cleaned it all out and now the CPU fan is running like it should be. It hasn't crashed since I booted it last night so I'd say the problem's licked. Cheers for the feeback though. > -- > Paul... > > /***** Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to > recognize a mistake when you make it again. > -- Franklin P. Jones *****/ > > /*****All programmers are playwrights and all computers are lousy actors. > -- Unknown*****/ > > /* How smart are Computers? They seem to need instructions all the time... > -- Me */ > > From garbuck at tpg.com.au Mon Jan 21 09:08:12 2002 From: garbuck at tpg.com.au (garry) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:08:12 +0800 Subject: [plug] getting telnet access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200201210109.MAA02418@buffy.tpgi.com.au> Isn't this like not wearing a seabelt because you feel safe just going to the shops? 8^)== Use ssh. Works like telnet, but does so much more. Including encryption... And best of all, there is less to type! (ssh Vs telnet). Regards, Garry. On Mon, 21 Jan 2002 08:47, Craig Reynolds wrote: >Security in my case shouldn't be much of > an issue since the box is behind a Linux server at the moment anyway. > From reynoldscraigr at hotmail.com Mon Jan 21 09:14:47 2002 From: reynoldscraigr at hotmail.com (Craig Reynolds) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 01:14:47 +0000 Subject: [plug] getting telnet access Message-ID: no doubt I will use it, just haven't got round to it. And i do like to be secure, security is as good thing, a good good thing :) >From: garry >Reply-To: plug at plug.linux.org.au >To: plug at plug.linux.org.au >Subject: Re: [plug] getting telnet access >Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:08:12 +0800 > >Isn't this like not wearing a seabelt because you feel safe just going to >the >shops? 8^)== > >Use ssh. Works like telnet, but does so much more. Including encryption... >And best of all, there is less to type! (ssh Vs telnet). > >Regards, > >Garry. > >On Mon, 21 Jan 2002 08:47, Craig Reynolds wrote: > >Security in my case shouldn't be much of > > an issue since the box is behind a Linux server at the moment anyway. > > > ?raig ?eynolds "Just Because this is never going to work is no reason to be negative!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From pete at akira.apana.org.au Mon Jan 21 09:21:38 2002 From: pete at akira.apana.org.au (Peter Wright) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:21:38 +0800 Subject: Re-attaching to GUI apps a la XP? (was Re: [plug] grabbing running apps) In-Reply-To: <20020117092520.A22822@eagle.amnet.net.au> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020116182409.00b9a148@mail> <5.1.0.14.0.20020116183553.022b3ec0@10.10.10.1> <20020117092520.A22822@eagle.amnet.net.au> Message-ID: <20020121092138.A3261@chef.flooble.net.au> On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 09:25:20AM +0800, Christian wrote: [ ... ] > I recently read about a feature in Windows XP that allows you to log in, > run a GUI app, log out and have the app continue running in the > background until the next time you log back in when you can continue > using it. Well I don't know about MS Windows XP, but we use MS Windows 2000 Server for virtually all our development machines at my working environment and I Just The Other Day(tm) had it demonstrated to me that this sort of thing can be done, very very effectively in fact. Windows Terminal Services. You can basically connect to machine A from machine B, log in and start doing stuff. This is effectively inside a display window, much like VNC, but it's much slicker and quicker than VNC (much like comparing X11 remote displays to VNC). You can even fullscreen this window and do stuff from machine B just as though you were inside machine A. While you are doing stuff from machine B, other people can be using machine A (either remotely or locally) at the same time as you, doing completely different stuff. Effectively just like the sort of thing X11 has done for years :), and it does feel sort of weird having it for MS Windows. There is one particular advantage over X11, though, and that it that you can disconnect your "remote desktop" connection and reconnect at a later date and (assuming machine A has not been rebooted in the interim ;) all your apps will have been running and your environment should be pretty much "just as you left it". So it can do the same as VNC in that respect - however, VNC does not enable you to log in and it does not enable you to have separate user sessions concurrently on one machine. It's really not bad at all. VNC combined with X11 combined with ssh and screen on Unix machines is probably the closest approximation on Unix/Linux to this kind of effect, as an X11 connection can't just be severed and restored without killing the apps using the remote display. Well, I'm probably going to be using WTS quite a bit at my work in the near future, as we're just in the process of receiving about seven new megabeastie machines (all dual-proc except for one quad-proc) that I'll be managing a lot of big-arse stress testing (for our application suite) on. And while there have been seven new boxes ordered, a grand total of zero (0) new monitors have been ordered to go with them. I think there's a none-too-subtle message from management there - no, these are _not_ going to be workstation substitute machines (dammit! *grin*). Ooooh, new toys - and a couple of them at least will be RHLinux/Oracle servers, so it's not all Windows. ;-) Pete. -- http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/ -- Futility Factor: No experiment is ever a complete failure - it can always serve as a negative example. From christian at amnet.net.au Mon Jan 21 09:36:56 2002 From: christian at amnet.net.au (Christian) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:36:56 +0800 Subject: [OT] Tech support Re: [plug] AOL/Time Warner & Redhat? In-Reply-To: ; from bret@busby.net on Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 06:38:42PM +0800 References: <20020120175133.A26208@eagle.amnet.net.au> Message-ID: <20020121093656.A5351@eagle.amnet.net.au> On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 06:38:42PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > > Do you have a tech support contract with either? (Could be why they > > don't respond to your emails.) > > No. > > Why do we need a tech support contract, for bug fix stuff? > When software has bugs in it, and, websites are malfunctional (broken > links, etc), and, so on, why do we need to pay to get bug fixes? Obviously you don't. I was under the impression that you wanted help from them rather than vice versa. Either way, you shouldn't be too upset if they don't respond to your bug reports -- so long as you see a fix in the next release. (And, if you don't, change software and stop whinging.) > You don't work for microsod, do you ? I wish you did. :-) -- DSA 0x2A0F80F3: 39F3 4E10 9BE9 E728 A9EE 029C D51D EE53 2A0F 80F3 From markn at enspace.com Tue Jan 22 04:30:30 2002 From: markn at enspace.com (Mark Nold) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:30:30 -800 Subject: [plug] Home Network (Cabling) Problems Message-ID: <3c4c7a66.d6.0@server-mail.com> Hi guys, Since i know a few of you have home networks, I was hoping someone may be able to give me a few pointers. Sorry for the length but i thought i'd be thorough.) I have 8 Cat-5 cables in the walls of my house to two different outlets (with 4 sockets each). Then in the roof i have a hub. (Which i have tested every port on and is OK) Since i am not using a rack and there is only an even number of cable segments between each PC and the Hub i have reversed the wiring of the cables in the walls so that i can plug them directly into the hub. In Room No.1 everything works fine. I can plug 2 PC's in and they can talk to each other on any of the sockets in the outlet. Unfortunatly in Room No.2 when i plug in my laptop it can't talk to the PC in Room No.1 with the (tested and proven) cabling on any of the sockets in the outlet. I am using PING to test the connection with the same two PC's every time. The cable are from the same original length (i bought a big length and chopped it up), and the wall sockets and plugs are all from the same box. The differences between Room No.2 and No.1 are: 1. Room No.2 cables run right next to 3 coax cables. 1 for TV antena and 2 for Cable (The "Cable TV" cables are not used at present) 2. The Cat-5 cables from Room No.2 are much longer than from Room No.1 they are about 13 meters long each. 3. The wall socket in Room No.2 comes out just behind my TV + AMP + Stereo stack. 4. The cables from Room No.2 run through my roof but instead of a large (1.5 meter) crawl space there is only a 30cm crawl space and a tin roof. (Which was a real bitch to lift and put back in place) My questions are: 1. Any obvious problems with my setup? I didnt think the coax should cause interferance... but would it? Is the cabling lenght too long? etc 2. Any ideas / suggestions for how to find out what the problem is? Any equipment i could rent / borrow to test things? (I have a little Ohm Meter thing.... but unfortunatly its only got tetsing wires that stretch 50cm) 3. Any ideas? Thanks alot. mn Mark Nold markn at enspace.com From batesy at batesy.net Mon Jan 21 10:59:23 2002 From: batesy at batesy.net (Jonathon Bates) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:59:23 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] VMware In-Reply-To: <3c4c7a66.d6.0@server-mail.com> Message-ID: Hey guys, Just a straight forward question. Ive just installed vmware and have win98 up and running. However the display is only in 16colours with 640*480. Does anyone know if it is possible to setup a TNT2ultra? As everytime i go to do this, I get an error saying "No tnt2 installed". Thoughts Cheers batesy From paul at canningcollege.wa.edu.au Mon Jan 21 11:51:11 2002 From: paul at canningcollege.wa.edu.au (Paul Dean) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:51:11 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] VMware In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Jonathon Bates wrote: > Hey guys, > Just a straight forward question. Ive just installed vmware and have win98 > up and running. However the display is only in 16colours with 640*480. > Does anyone know if it is possible to setup a TNT2ultra? > As everytime i go to do this, I get an error saying "No tnt2 installed". You need to install 'vmware tools', this will increase your mouse and colours, but Vmware doesn't support 3D stuff yet. > > Thoughts > > Cheers > batesy > -- Paul... /***** Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again. -- Franklin P. Jones *****/ /*****All programmers are playwrights and all computers are lousy actors. -- Unknown*****/ /* How smart are Computers? They seem to need instructions all the time... -- Me */ From natdan at pobox.com Mon Jan 21 12:03:22 2002 From: natdan at pobox.com (Nathan D) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:03:22 +0800 Subject: [plug] Home Network (Cabling) Problems In-Reply-To: <3c4c7a66.d6.0@server-mail.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020121114951.00ae88c0@pop3.norton.antivirus> At 12:30 PM 21/01/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Hi guys, > >Since i know a few of you have home networks, I was hoping someone may be able >to give me a few pointers. Sorry for the length but i thought i'd be >thorough.) > > >I have 8 Cat-5 cables in the walls of my house to two different outlets (with >4 sockets each). Then in the roof i have a hub. (Which i have tested every >port >on and is OK) > >Since i am not using a rack and there is only an even number of cable segments >between each PC and the Hub i have reversed the wiring of the cables in the >walls so that i can plug them directly into the hub. > Reversed the wiring? Not sure what you mean here. >The cable are from the same original length (i bought a big length and chopped >it up), and the wall sockets and plugs are all from the same box. So we can assume that you did the connections yourself? A stab in the dark here..... When first playing with networks I did the connectors with all cores/pairs in sequence and just made sure that it was the same both ends, for short little runs - no worries. Recently I did a temp install (still there now) by running a cable down a 20m passage way and leaving another 20m curled up in the box by the switch(I *WILL* get in the roof when it cools down). Lights came on ok at both ends - but nothing would talk. A continuity test showed all was ok and nothing shorted. Referring to the relevant diagrams, I then wired both ends correctly and it all works wonderfully now. With the cables in Room No.2 being longer and more prone to interference, this may be something to look at? Then again..... I may be wrong? :) regards, Nathan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ,-_|\ . natdan at pobox.com . / \ . Western Australia . -> \_,-._/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ v ICQ - 778269 Can't make out my sig file? Try using a "fixed-width font" From Adrian at Diskworld.com.au Mon Jan 21 12:35:22 2002 From: Adrian at Diskworld.com.au (Adrian Woodley) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:35:22 +0800 Subject: [plug] VMware In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As VMware uses X for its graphics, you actually install the VMware graphics driver for windows. This driver communicates with the VM, which inturn displays using X. On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Jonathon Bates wrote: > Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:59:23 +0800 (WST) > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > From: Jonathon Bates > Reply-To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: [plug] VMware > > Hey guys, > Just a straight forward question. Ive just installed vmware and have > win98 > up and running. However the display is only in 16colours with 640*480. > Does anyone know if it is possible to setup a TNT2ultra? > As everytime i go to do this, I get an error saying "No tnt2 installed". > > Thoughts > > Cheers > batesy > From anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com Mon Jan 21 15:19:39 2002 From: anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com (John Knight) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:19:39 +0800 Subject: [plug] Bliss Message-ID: I love that game and want it desperately, where did you get it? Is it Actually RD or XRick? I couldn't get XRick working before but it might be worth another shot. Please reply, I'm desperate for that game! nhoJ > >My life is now complete - I've found Rick Dangerous, the immortal Amiga >game, for linux. *Sigh* > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From brad at seme.com.au Mon Jan 21 15:48:15 2002 From: brad at seme.com.au (Brad Campbell) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:48:15 +0800 Subject: [plug] TightVNC Message-ID: <3C4BC7BF.E166A535@seme.com.au> G'day all, I have been using VNC for a while, over a 28k modem link, to log into a win4lin session on my work box, from home. Someone whispered tightvnc in my ear a week or so ago and I thought I'd give it a try. Short summary is it's quicker, has local cursor handling which is really nice and generally feels smoother. Also has ssh tunneling built in. If you use vnc over a slow link, give it a go. Actually, with the local cursor handling it's much nicer even on the same box. -- Brad.... /"\ Save the Forests \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN Burn a Greenie. X AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ From navarre at plug.linux.org.au Mon Jan 21 15:55:16 2002 From: navarre at plug.linux.org.au (navarre at plug.linux.org.au) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 07:55:16 GMT Subject: [plug] TightVNC In-Reply-To: <3C4BC7BF.E166A535@seme.com.au> References: <3C4BC7BF.E166A535@seme.com.au> Message-ID: <20020121.7551600@ladyhawke.anjov.com.au> Hello Brad Very pertinent to me right at the moment as I complete testing my clients VNC access. Where may I find more information regarding tightvnc, can you offer a URL? Navarre >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 1/21/02, 3:48:15 PM, Brad Campbell wrote regarding [plug] TightVNC: > G'day all, > I have been using VNC for a while, over a 28k modem link, to log into a > win4lin session on my work box, from home. Someone whispered tightvnc in > my ear a week or so ago and I thought I'd give it a try. > Short summary is it's quicker, has local cursor handling which is really nice > and generally feels smoother. Also has ssh tunneling built in. > If you use vnc over a slow link, give it a go. Actually, with the local > cursor handling it's much nicer even on the same box. > -- > Brad.... > /"\ > Save the Forests \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN > Burn a Greenie. X AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \ From brad at seme.com.au Mon Jan 21 16:09:51 2002 From: brad at seme.com.au (Brad Campbell) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:09:51 +0800 Subject: [plug] TightVNC References: <3C4BC7BF.E166A535@seme.com.au> <20020121.7551600@ladyhawke.anjov.com.au> Message-ID: <3C4BCCCF.E0CDB723@seme.com.au> navarre at plug.linux.org.au wrote: > > Hello Brad > > Very pertinent to me right at the moment as I complete testing my clients > VNC access. > > Where may I find more information regarding tightvnc, can you offer a > URL? > http://www.tightvnc.org -- Brad.... /"\ Save the Forests \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN Burn a Greenie. X AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ From zombie at wasp.net.au Mon Jan 21 16:31:45 2002 From: zombie at wasp.net.au (Matt Kemner) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:31:45 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] TightVNC In-Reply-To: <3C4BCCCF.E0CDB723@seme.com.au> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Brad Campbell wrote: > > Where may I find more information regarding tightvnc, can you offer a > > URL? > > > > http://www.tightvnc.org Ooh, and incorporated in the latest vnc packages for Debian (sid) too :) - Matt goes off to experiment... From wayne.vovil at ausi.com Mon Jan 21 16:35:26 2002 From: wayne.vovil at ausi.com (Wayne Vovil) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 00:35:26 -0800 Subject: [plug] Bliss Message-ID: <200201210835.g0L8ZQa23438@mail20.bigmailbox.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Adrian at Diskworld.com.au Mon Jan 21 16:45:20 2002 From: Adrian at Diskworld.com.au (Adrian Woodley) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:45:20 +0800 Subject: [plug] Bliss In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You need to have the SDL libraries and dev files installed. Then it should compile with ./config && make. Adrian On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, John Knight wrote: > Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:19:39 +0800 > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > From: "John Knight" > Reply-To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: Re: [plug] Bliss > > I love that game and want it desperately, where did you get it? Is it > Actually RD or XRick? I couldn't get XRick working before but it might be > > worth another shot. Please reply, I'm desperate for that game! > > nhoJ > > > > >My life is now complete - I've found Rick Dangerous, the immortal Amiga > >game, for linux. *Sigh* > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > From anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com Mon Jan 21 16:52:17 2002 From: anarchist_tomato at hotmail.com (John Knight) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:52:17 +0800 Subject: [plug] Bliss Message-ID: Cheers mate, I haven't tried it with SuSE yet, anyway. seeya! anarchist tomato P.S. Someone from PLUG has stolen my nick! I can't join up on the whatsit page, boo! > >You need to have the SDL libraries and dev files installed. Then it should >compile with ./config && make. > >Adrian > >On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, John Knight wrote: > > Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:19:39 +0800 > > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > > From: "John Knight" > > Reply-To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > > Subject: Re: [plug] Bliss > > > > I love that game and want it desperately, where did you get it? Is it > > Actually RD or XRick? I couldn't get XRick working before but it might >be > > > > worth another shot. Please reply, I'm desperate for that game! > > > > nhoJ > > > > > > > >My life is now complete - I've found Rick Dangerous, the immortal Amiga > > >game, for linux. *Sigh* > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From brad at seme.com.au Mon Jan 21 17:01:16 2002 From: brad at seme.com.au (Brad Campbell) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:01:16 +0800 Subject: [plug] TightVNC References: Message-ID: <3C4BD8DC.90B1CA2F@seme.com.au> Matt Kemner wrote: > Ooh, and incorporated in the latest vnc packages for Debian (sid) too :) > > - Matt goes off to experiment... If you want to try something funny (Stupid perhaps) I run win4lin in a separate vnc session with vnet networking so it has it's own ip address. I then vnc into that from xwindows so I can use it locally and remotely as I can't get the windows vnc server to work under win4lin. I just did something silly and started vnc viewer in windows, pointed to the vnc server that windows is running under. A most odd visual feedback type of effect was created along with an apparent runaway window creation effect. I must be bored. Under win4lin, both the original vnc server and the tightvnc server lock up hard when I try to connect to them. Only that process locks though, so I can give it the three finger salute and force close the process. Oh well, it works well as is I guess. I must say my work life has improved significantly since Leon pointed me at win4lin. And more so since I was shoved in the direction of VNC. Cheers List :p) -- Brad.... /"\ Save the Forests \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN Burn a Greenie. X AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ From assassin at live.wasp.net.au Mon Jan 21 17:03:26 2002 From: assassin at live.wasp.net.au (Greg Mildenhall) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:03:26 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] Bliss In-Reply-To: <200201210835.g0L8ZQa23438@mail20.bigmailbox.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Wayne Vovil wrote: > Also anyone got Lode?Runner for Commodore64? xscavenger (found it in a debian package) is a pretty good imitation. If anyone has managed level 25 without getting the solution from the web or abusing the weird atomic critter, let me know - I think that's what I need to spur me onto figuring it out. If anyone wants hints for levels 1-24, I'm your man. Do try them out first, though, they're all doable. -Greg From grahame at ucs.uwa.edu.au Mon Jan 21 17:18:22 2002 From: grahame at ucs.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: 21 Jan 2002 17:18:22 +0800 Subject: [plug] Redhat 7.2 - I take it back Message-ID: <1011604702.4624.22.camel@typhaon> I just installed RedHat 7.2 on one of our shiny new servers. We're forced to use it because of a vendor refusing product support unless it's RedHat - long story. To my surprise it actually works and installing onto RAID-1 was a joy. It actually let me create the raidset in an intuitive GUI and install onto it. Which was much more fun than my typical approach of creating the raidset with drives failed and copying over. Who's found similar functionality in their distros installer? I'm thinking of getting involved in the new debian-boot stuff that will be used after woody, and it'd be nice to start hacking on a gtk-framebuffer installer at some point (don't really see the point in using an X-server.) Have fun, Grahame BTW: I'd like to join PLUG. Any sensible way of joining remotely like direct-deposit into a bank account, or do I have to walk ~200 metres from work to Cameron Hall? :-) -- Grahame Bowland Email: grahame at ucs.uwa.edu.au University Communications Services Phone: +61 8 9380 1175 The University of Western Australia Fax: +61 8 9380 1109 CRICOS: 00126G From skribe at amber.com.au Mon Jan 21 18:10:49 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:10:49 +0800 Subject: [plug] Bliss In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02012118104900.16385@oberon.amber.com.au> On Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:52, John Knight wrote: > P.S. Someone from PLUG has stolen my nick! I can't join up on the whatsit > page, boo! The whatchamacallit she no a workin? skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 Excellent day for drinking heavily. Spike the office water cooler. From wayne.vovil at ausi.com Mon Jan 21 20:05:07 2002 From: wayne.vovil at ausi.com (Wayne Vovil) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 04:05:07 -0800 Subject: [plug] suse 7.3 prof installation Message-ID: <200201211205.g0LC57o26126@mail3.bigmailbox.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From locutus at borg.apana.org.au Mon Jan 21 20:44:50 2002 From: locutus at borg.apana.org.au (John Breen) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:44:50 +0800 Subject: [plug] 2.4 kernel wierdness? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020121203935.00b69658@mail> I have just put woody on my development box, and built a 2.4.17 kernel. I've built modules _and_ installed them. My network card is a RTL8139-based card, which worked fine with both the rtl8139 and 8139too drivers on 2.2.20. In 2.4 i'm using 8139too. When the system starts up, I get a message about eth0 device does not exist, but after boot i can do modprobe 8139too, and the card will initialise and set up and show up in ifconfig. I then have to do everything by hand to get it to appear. What have i missed? Cheers, John Breen -------------- next part -------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.314 / Virus Database: 175 - Release Date: 11/01/2002 From garbuck at tpg.com.au Mon Jan 21 21:45:19 2002 From: garbuck at tpg.com.au (garry) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:45:19 +0800 Subject: [plug] 2.4 kernel wierdness? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020121203935.00b69658@mail> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020121203935.00b69658@mail> Message-ID: <200201211347.AAA29666@buffy.tpgi.com.au> I have a RH7.2 box with that card, no probs. Default kernel though. HTH, Garry. When the system starts up, I get a message about eth0 device does not > exist, but after boot i can do modprobe 8139too, and the card will > initialise and set up and show up in ifconfig. I then have to do > everything by hand to get it to appear. > > From leon at brooks.fdns.net Mon Jan 21 22:12:15 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:12:15 +0800 Subject: [plug] Re: Re-attaching to GUI apps (Terminal Server comparison) In-Reply-To: <20020121092138.A3261@chef.flooble.net.au> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020116182409.00b9a148@mail> <20020117092520.A22822@eagle.amnet.net.au> <20020121092138.A3261@chef.flooble.net.au> Message-ID: <20020121141241.D0F8B3251E2@mail.old-firestation.net> On Monday 21 January 2002 09:21, Peter Wright wrote: > There is one particular advantage over X11, though, and that it that you > can disconnect your "remote desktop" connection and reconnect at a later > date You can do that using an X tool (OTTOMH it's called xx) and the virtual display driver. Not as seamless but it works. You can make a viable LTSP node out of a P100 with 8MB of RAM. Try that with Terminal Server. (-: You can run 20 or 30 normal business users off a mediocre LTSP box with 1GB of RAM. Try that with Terminal Server (and no, I don't mean open 30 empty copies of Word, I mean do real stuff). Try that with Terminal Server. (-: Suggest running your main SQL database on the same box and see what the Microserfs have to say about that. (-: If you run most of the the apps locally (ie diskless workstations with real CPU and RAM), you can get maybe a hundred real users up on a not-too-exciting Linux server (maybe dual P3/1000 with 1G). Try that with Terminal Server. (-: Perhaps most telling of all, the total licencing cost of any of the above scenarious is $0 with Linux, $ghasp with Terminal Server. Put the money you save into better boxes (a GeForce 3 is about the same price as a W2K licence; a decent Yamaha sound card is about the same price as a TS seat on top of that; an extra 128MB of PC133 SDRAM is about the same as an MS-SQL seat - or swap 25 Internet Connector seats for a SCSI RAID array or a couple of extra CPUs. And so on). Cheers; Leon From leon at brooks.fdns.net Mon Jan 21 22:18:27 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:18:27 +0800 Subject: [plug] Home Network (Cabling) Problems In-Reply-To: <3c4c7a66.d6.0@server-mail.com> References: <3c4c7a66.d6.0@server-mail.com> Message-ID: <20020121141852.B4F9E3251E2@mail.old-firestation.net> On Thursday 01 January 1970 08:00, Mark Nold wrote: > 1. Any obvious problems with my setup? Make sure your twisted pairs go... 1+2 3+6 4+5 7+8 ...and match at each end. For long runs this is important. I had similar things happen here even with the right pairing, and found that the crappier hubs just won't drive that much copper (cabling included a 20m run and a 25m run, oddly it was the 20m run which flaked out, pings would get from box to hub but not back), but a crappy-ish switch (KingMax KS-3205 in this case) will. Cheers; Leon From leon at brooks.fdns.net Mon Jan 21 22:21:25 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:21:25 +0800 Subject: [plug] LBX (was: TightVNC) In-Reply-To: <3C4BC7BF.E166A535@seme.com.au> References: <3C4BC7BF.E166A535@seme.com.au> Message-ID: <20020121142152.159773251E2@mail.old-firestation.net> On Monday 21 January 2002 15:48, Brad Campbell wrote: > Someone whispered tightvnc in > my ear a week or so ago and I thought I'd give it a try. Not as efficient, but if you use X over a modem, try lbxproxy. It at least triples your throughput (but doesn't help the latency much excapt with badly-written apps; every graphical author should be forced to use their app at the wrong end of a 28k modem link). Cheers; Leon From leon at brooks.fdns.net Mon Jan 21 22:23:50 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:23:50 +0800 Subject: [plug] Bliss In-Reply-To: <200201210835.g0L8ZQa23438@mail20.bigmailbox.com> References: <200201210835.g0L8ZQa23438@mail20.bigmailbox.com> Message-ID: <20020121142423.856AD3251E2@mail.old-firestation.net> On Monday 21 January 2002 16:35, Wayne Vovil wrote: > And I noticed there is a > "parsec" game on linux. Is it the same as parsec on ye olde TI99? Nothing like it. http://www.parsec.org/ for screenshots. Their motto is ``there is no safe distance'' and while you may feel that way about a TI-99 they don't mean it in the same way. (-: Cheers; Leon From michael.j.hunt at usa.net Mon Jan 21 22:44:44 2002 From: michael.j.hunt at usa.net (Michael Hunt) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:44:44 +0800 Subject: [plug] Re: Re-attaching to GUI apps (Terminal Server comparison) In-Reply-To: <20020121141241.D0F8B3251E2@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: > Perhaps most telling of all, the total licencing cost of any of the above > scenarious is $0 with Linux, $ghasp with Terminal Server. Put the > money you > save into better boxes (a GeForce 3 is about the same price as a > W2K licence; > a decent Yamaha sound card is about the same price as a TS seat on top of > that; an extra 128MB of PC133 SDRAM is about the same as an > MS-SQL seat - or > swap 25 Internet Connector seats for a SCSI RAID array or a > couple of extra > CPUs. And so on). Or buy yourself a mainframe with the money you have saved on licensing costs. Michael Hunt From ajones at clear.net.nz Mon Jan 21 22:53:44 2002 From: ajones at clear.net.nz (Anthony Jones) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:53:44 +0800 Subject: [plug] Bliss In-Reply-To: <20020121142423.856AD3251E2@mail.old-firestation.net> References: <200201210835.g0L8ZQa23438@mail20.bigmailbox.com> <20020121142423.856AD3251E2@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: <02012122534400.15287@kandinski> Parsec is free as in free beer but not free as in free speech. Grumble. Anthony On Monday 21 January 2002 22:23, Leon Brooks wrote: > On Monday 21 January 2002 16:35, Wayne Vovil wrote: > > And I noticed there is a > > "parsec" game on linux. Is it the same as parsec on ye olde TI99? > > Nothing like it. http://www.parsec.org/ for screenshots. Their motto is > ``there is no safe distance'' and while you may feel that way about a TI-99 > they don't mean it in the same way. (-: > > Cheers; Leon From locust at iinet.net.au Mon Jan 21 22:59:10 2002 From: locust at iinet.net.au (Andrew Francis) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:59:10 +0800 Subject: [plug] LBX (was: TightVNC) References: <3C4BC7BF.E166A535@seme.com.au> <20020121142152.159773251E2@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: <005001c1a28c$2f09b110$6400a8c0@bespin> "Leon Brooks" wrote: > every graphical author should be forced to use their app > at the wrong end of a 28k modem link). Sidetracking slightly, is anyone aware of a utility that will do simple portforwarding (something like rinetd) with some sort of rate limiting? Would make it *much* easier to test programs over a "slow connection." -- Andrew Francis locust at iinet.net.au From pete at akira.apana.org.au Mon Jan 21 23:12:15 2002 From: pete at akira.apana.org.au (Peter Wright) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 23:12:15 +0800 Subject: [plug] Re: Re-attaching to GUI apps (Terminal Server comparison) In-Reply-To: <20020121141241.D0F8B3251E2@mail.old-firestation.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020116182409.00b9a148@mail> <20020117092520.A22822@eagle.amnet.net.au> <20020121092138.A3261@chef.flooble.net.au> <20020121141241.D0F8B3251E2@mail.old-firestation.net> Message-ID: <20020121231215.A5412@chef.flooble.net.au> On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 10:12:15PM +0800, Leon Brooks wrote: > On Monday 21 January 2002 09:21, Peter Wright wrote: > > There is one particular advantage over X11, though, and that it that > > you can disconnect your "remote desktop" connection and reconnect at a > > later date > > You can do that using an X tool (OTTOMH it's called xx) and the virtual > display driver. Not as seamless but it works. Okay, dammit Leon, you're going to have to tell me where to find this tool now. I'm intrigued. :) > You can [ do cool stuff... ] > Try that with Terminal Server. (-: [ more stuff... ] > Try that with Terminal Server (and no, I don't mean open 30 empty > copies of Word, I mean do real stuff). Try that with Terminal Server. (-: [ and more stuff... ] > Try that with Terminal Server. (-: It's okay, Leon. Breathe. Breathe! ;-) > Perhaps most telling of all, the total licencing cost of any of the above > scenarious is $0 with Linux, $ghasp with Terminal Server. Indeed. If it wasn't for the fact that my work has already "paid" for it (and they've also paid for a license for Together (http://www.togethersoft.com/) which we never use, and we have a site license for the Rational suite of products, out of which we use maybe two apps... *sigh*...), I'd probably be hesitant about recommending we buy it just so I could make use of it. I'd probably just try to make do with VNC by itself. Anyway, you don't need to convince me. I was told at least some of the fascinating history of Terminal Server and/or Citrix by a workmate today. Quite amusing how quickly (and thoroughly) Microsoft can change their tune when they realise they've completely missed a boat - and then do a convincing job of pretending they always thought the new way!... eg. the Internet was always important to them, the world-wide-web was important, Java was important (though now "dot net"/C# is important), blah blah blah... I think a large part of why I'm impressed by Terminal Services is that a Microsoft Windows operating system could do something really useful that I simply wasn't aware it could do - and I was in a position to actually make _use_ of this something. It's not really something all that amazing - hell, if it wasn't a graphical application that needed to run (and the applications we need to run on these machines really don't need to be graphical) and I was dealing with Linux/Unix machines, I'd just run them inside a screen session, via ssh. If they needed to be graphical, I'd run them from a screen session pointing to a vnc-server-supplied X display. I guess the best analogy I can make is that if you had a not terribly bright, somewhat maths-phobic person who'd somehow managed to grasp basic algebra and find the root of a few quadratic equations. It's like, wow, well done, I'm really impressed - but it's not like the accomplishment is anything impressive in and of itself, just that it'd been done by someone you didn't think was capable of it. ;-) > Cheers; Leon Pete. -- http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/ -- Acting is an art which consists of keeping the audience from coughing. From cottmain at yahoo.com.au Tue Jan 22 07:35:46 2002 From: cottmain at yahoo.com.au (Daniel) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 07:35:46 +0800 Subject: [plug] Want to borrow the latest Linux distro from your library? In-Reply-To: <3c4c7a66.d6.0@server-mail.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020122072310.00a88130@144.135.24.13> I guess it's not too much to ask. It's free and we've heard that it's available at some libraries (I remember some of our good members giving it to them) We can't expect them to get Linux in if there's no demand. [no I'm not talking about creating artificial demand, just letting your requests be known when you're at your library] Daniel. From justin at inwa.com.au Tue Jan 22 09:16:32 2002 From: justin at inwa.com.au (Justin) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:16:32 +0800 Subject: [plug] 2.4 kernel wierdness? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020121203935.00b69658@mail> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020122091347.009fa280@mail.inwa.com.au> I upgraded a box and had the same problem. Check out the file /etc/network/interfaces and make sure that the following line is before the iface line: auto eth0 or what ever your interface is - when i updated debian, it didn't add the line - and what ever has been updated seems to need it. HTH Justin At 08:44 PM 21/01/02 +0800, you wrote: >When the system starts up, I get a message about eth0 device does not >exist, but after boot i can do modprobe 8139too, and the card will >initialise and set up and show up in ifconfig. I then have to do >everything by hand to get it to appear. From locutus at borg.apana.org.au Tue Jan 22 09:27:36 2002 From: locutus at borg.apana.org.au (John Breen) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:27:36 +0800 Subject: [plug] 2.4 kernel wierdness? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020122091347.009fa280@mail.inwa.com.au> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020121203935.00b69658@mail> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020122092618.0219b138@mail> At 09:16 AM 22/01/2002, you wrote: yup, it's there. the default install put it there, and i haven't removed it. I've got around it by building the driver into the kernel (NOT as a module), so it just seems the module wasn't being correctly loaded somewhere. >I upgraded a box and had the same problem. Check out the file >/etc/network/interfaces >and make sure that the following line is before the iface line: >auto eth0 >or what ever your interface is - when i updated debian, it didn't add the >line - and what ever has been updated seems to need it. >HTH > >Justin > >At 08:44 PM 21/01/02 +0800, you wrote: >>When the system starts up, I get a message about eth0 device does not >>exist, but after boot i can do modprobe 8139too, and the card will >>initialise and set up and show up in ifconfig. I then have to do >>everything by hand to get it to appear. > > > > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.314 / Virus Database: 175 - Release Date: 11/01/2002 -------------- next part -------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.314 / Virus Database: 175 - Release Date: 11/01/2002 From tony at cantech.net.au Tue Jan 22 11:07:32 2002 From: tony at cantech.net.au (Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:07:32 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] linux.conf.au 2002 -- schedules, registration, etc all available (fwd) Message-ID: Hello all, I've been asked to pass this on. I appologise to people that get the cros post. Yours Tony. /* * "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the * same level of thinking we were at when we created them." * --Albert Einstein */ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:58:29 +1000 From: Mark Suter To: "Secretary, Perth Lug" Subject: linux.conf.au 2002 -- schedules, registration, etc all available Greetings, Linux.conf.au 2002 is Australia's national Linux conference, this year being held in Brisbane, sponsored by IBM and the University of Queensland, with media sponsorship from OSDN. The conference, to be held from the 6th to the 9th of February, has tutorials and talks on the kernel, networks, system tools, distributions, applications, programming and philosophy. There are several keynote speeches which give in depth coverage of important topics. Community involvement is furthered by BOF (birds of feather) and WIP (work in progress) sessions. Highlights include Rusty Russell on packet filtering, Andrew Tridgell on Samba 3.0, Carsten "Rasterman" on Scalable Display technology and Rasmus Lerdorf on PHP. Schedule and registration details are at http://linux.conf.au/ -- The lca organising committee Linux Conference Australia 2002 February 6 - 9 University of Queensland, Brisbane http://linux.conf.au/ From dsbrown at cyllene.uwa.edu.au Tue Jan 22 11:47:50 2002 From: dsbrown at cyllene.uwa.edu.au (Denis Brown) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:47:50 +0800 Subject: [plug] File system question Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020122111027.017a5d90@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> Dear PLUG members, I'd like to verify my thoughts on this file system issue concerning reclaiming disk space. For the record it's a Debian system and the question is probably in the newbie-ish class but maybe others can benefit from the replies, too :-) A two-disk system with several partitions on each disk. On /dev/hdb2 I set up a Linux ext2 partition /FOO On /dev/hda1 I have a directory foo under / I decide to use the (larger) /FOO partition and so want to copy all files in /foo to /FOO and remove the original /foo directory. I can do the copy using cp with the --recursive option to copy directories under /foo. So far so good. Now I edit (as root) fstab to mount /foo on /dev/hdb2, reboot and all seems okay. My question is this:- The space taken up by the files originally present in the /foo directory on hda1 are presumably "still there" but I cannot delete them because doing a rm * in foo now refers to my "new" foo which is on hdb2. If the foregoing makes sense, is the space originally taken by foo's files on hda1 now automatically available for reuse or do I have to perform an additional operation to unlink the now redundant file space? Doing a df before and after seems to suggest that the space is now up for grabs on hda1 but I'd like to confirm this before going too far along my current machine-rebuilding track. I have rtfm'd but this does not seem to be given much weight. The LDP's admin guides likewise don't seem to spend much time on it so maybe this is one of "the great understood things" (tm). Some time ago on this list there was a discussion of such things but iirc that related to replacement of whole hard disks -- cloning -- as opposed to just moving around between partitions. Supplementary questions: In hindsight would it have been better to rename the original /foo directory to say /foo1, then copy the files to /FOO, then edit fstab and finally delete the /foo1 directory? If a system area, such as /usr, were involved would the procedure require modification -- let's say that a second hard disk was being installed and /usr was desired to be on the new drive? I imagine this requires fancier footwork because we'd be talking system files which may be actively in use. Gut feeling suggests that your replies will refer to Tom's rtbt disk or another diskette/ramdisk approach to modifying the hard disk based fs's in this case. TIA, Denis From tony at cantech.net.au Tue Jan 22 12:45:08 2002 From: tony at cantech.net.au (Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:45:08 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] OT -- WineHQ Home page In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Paul Dean wrote: > Can anyuone get to or know any problems with winehq.com www site[s]??? Yup I can get there: http://www.winehq.com/ Yours Tony. /* * "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the * same level of thinking we were at when we created them." * --Albert Einstein */ From tony at cantech.net.au Tue Jan 22 12:46:55 2002 From: tony at cantech.net.au (Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:46:55 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] Plug Library In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 19 Jan 2002, Jonathon Bates wrote: > Heya Guys, > Just wondering does the library have any linux games in it? > If not does anyone here have any decent nix games (eg SC3000 or Kohan) > And what do they think of how well these games run? ATM no, there is nothing stopping us from putting open source, fre of demo versions of Linux games into the library. Just no-one has donanted them yet. Anyone care to burn a CD with a "Linux entertainment pack vol 1.0" :) tar.gz's preferred (then we're vendor nutral) Yours Tony. /* * "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the * same level of thinking we were at when we created them." * --Albert Einstein */ From grahame at ucs.uwa.edu.au Tue Jan 22 12:47:32 2002 From: grahame at ucs.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: 22 Jan 2002 12:47:32 +0800 Subject: [plug] File system question In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020122111027.017a5d90@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020122111027.017a5d90@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <1011674852.16108.4.camel@typhaon> On Tue, 2002-01-22 at 11:47, Denis Brown wrote: > Dear PLUG members, > > I'd like to verify my thoughts on this file system issue concerning > reclaiming disk space. For the record it's a Debian system and the > question is probably in the newbie-ish class but maybe others can benefit > from the replies, too :-) > > A two-disk system with several partitions on each disk. > On /dev/hdb2 I set up a Linux ext2 partition /FOO > On /dev/hda1 I have a directory foo under / > I decide to use the (larger) /FOO partition and so want to copy all files > in /foo to /FOO and remove the original /foo directory. I can do the copy > using cp with the --recursive option to copy directories under /foo. So > far so good. > Now I edit (as root) fstab to mount /foo on /dev/hdb2, reboot and all seems > okay. You'd probably do better to use cpio in pass-through mode than plain 'cp' - cpio handles things like wierd file names and symlinks better, eg: cd /foo; find . -mount | cpio -pvm /FOO > My question is this:- > The space taken up by the files originally present in the /foo directory on > hda1 are presumably "still there" but I cannot delete them because doing a > rm * in foo now refers to my "new" foo which is on hdb2. If the foregoing > makes sense, is the space originally taken by foo's files on hda1 now > automatically available for reuse or do I have to perform an additional > operation to unlink the now redundant file space? If you've mounted on top of an existing directory, the contents of that directory are still on disk. If I'm ready it right, you want to do an "umount /foo", make sure that worked and it's not mounted, then move "foo" to "foo.O", "mkdir /foo", "mount /foo". "foo.0" would then be the old "foo" before you moved it onto the new partition. -- Grahame Bowland Email: grahame at ucs.uwa.edu.au University Communications Services Phone: +61 8 9380 1175 The University of Western Australia Fax: +61 8 9380 1109 CRICOS: 00126G From brian at paradigmit.com.au Tue Jan 22 12:51:27 2002 From: brian at paradigmit.com.au (Brian Tombleson) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:51:27 +0800 Subject: [plug] File system question References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020122111027.017a5d90@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <069601c1a300$738d92b0$6400a8c0@brian> From: "Denis Brown" > A two-disk system with several partitions on each disk. > On /dev/hdb2 I set up a Linux ext2 partition /FOO > On /dev/hda1 I have a directory foo under / > I decide to use the (larger) /FOO partition and so want to copy all files > in /foo to /FOO and remove the original /foo directory. I can do the copy > using cp with the --recursive option to copy directories under /foo. So > far so good. Errr.. except ownership of the files. The new files will all be owned by the user who did the cp(1). tar(1) might be a better option. > Now I edit (as root) fstab to mount /foo on /dev/hdb2, reboot and all seems > okay. > My question is this:- > The space taken up by the files originally present in the /foo directory on > hda1 are presumably "still there" but I cannot delete them because doing a > rm * in foo now refers to my "new" foo which is on hdb2. If the foregoing > makes sense, is the space originally taken by foo's files on hda1 now > automatically available for reuse or do I have to perform an additional > operation to unlink the now redundant file space? From PBennett at arg.net.au Tue Jan 22 13:09:42 2002 From: PBennett at arg.net.au (Bennett, Phillip) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:09:42 +0800 Subject: [plug] [OT] For Sale Message-ID: <851545268AD5D5118929000629A8722A1F114D@mail.arg.net.au> Maybe a little off topic, but I have an HP LH Pro server up for grabs. Specs as follows : 160Mb Registered ECC DRAM 2 X P/Pro 200mhz Processors (Matched) 6 X 4.1Gb HD - Raided on a NetServer RaidCard (3 Port) 2 X 2.1 Gb HD 2 X Adaptec 2940W SCSI cards 2 X Onboard Ultra-Wide SCSI PCI Madge Token Ring card 100Mb PCI Ethernet card Currently running RH 7.1 dual booting with Win2k. Bought for $650, make an offer. Reply off list. Thanks, Phil. This email is confidential and may contain legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not disclose or use the information contained in it. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by return email and delete the document. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markn at enspace.com Tue Jan 22 15:24:18 2002 From: markn at enspace.com (Mark Nold) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:24:18 +0800 Subject: [plug] OT: Lode Runner and other games Message-ID: <01C1A358.DC85F2A0.markn@enspace.com> If you need a Lode Runner fix and you have a Palm Pilot check out http://www.ardiri.com/ where you can also find "Maryo Bros", "Donkie Kung" and "Donkie Kung Jr" But on linux my favourite game is the slightly unfinished PINGUS (http://pingus.seul.org/) which is a Linux Lemmings clone with little tux penguins! mn -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Vovil [SMTP:wayne.vovil at ausi.com] Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 4:35 PM To: plug at plug.linux.org.au Subject: RE: Re: [plug] Bliss I would also be interested! Also anyone got Lode?Runner for Commodore64? And I noticed there is a "parsec" game on linux. Is it the same as parsec on ye olde TI99? Wayne > "John Knight" plug at plug.linux.org.au Re: [plug] BlissDate: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:19:39 +0800 >Reply-To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > >I love that game and want it desperately, where did you get it? Is it >Actually RD or XRick? I couldn't get XRick working before but it might be >worth another shot. Please reply, I'm desperate for that game! > >nhoJ > >> >>My life is now complete - I've found Rick Dangerous, the immortal Amiga >>game, for linux. *Sigh* >> > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------------------------------------ FREE EMAIL for all from AUSI at http://ausi.com Access world wide. From macro at nathan.linux-dude.net Tue Jan 22 14:29:50 2002 From: macro at nathan.linux-dude.net (Nathan Alberti) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:29:50 +0800 Subject: [plug] Mandrake and RH cd's Message-ID: <060101c1a30e$31f209e0$6401a8c0@nathan> A mate of mine needs help obtaining a copy of Mandrake 8.1 and RH 7.2, he is in Mandurah but travels to City West daily for work. Anyone on his way or close enough that can burn him a copy of one or both of the above ? Regards, Nathan. From Patrick at perthix.net Tue Jan 22 14:34:55 2002 From: Patrick at perthix.net (Patrick Tehvand) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:34:55 +0800 Subject: [plug] Mandrake and RH cd's Message-ID: <13773DCBF9C83747AFB854C5C21E07612588F9@wombat.perthix.net> I can give him RH7.2 im in the city -----Original Message----- From: Nathan Alberti [mailto:macro at nathan.linux-dude.net] Sent: Tuesday, 22 January 2002 2:30 PM To: plug at plug.linux.org.au Subject: [plug] Mandrake and RH cd's A mate of mine needs help obtaining a copy of Mandrake 8.1 and RH 7.2, he is in Mandurah but travels to City West daily for work. Anyone on his way or close enough that can burn him a copy of one or both of the above ? Regards, Nathan. From czilko at southwest.com.au Tue Jan 22 16:08:57 2002 From: czilko at southwest.com.au (Craig) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:08:57 +0800 Subject: [plug] Mandrake and RH cd's In-Reply-To: <060101c1a30e$31f209e0$6401a8c0@nathan> References: <060101c1a30e$31f209e0$6401a8c0@nathan> Message-ID: <200201220809.g0M899t30278@tuart.southwest.com.au> Making copies of Mandrake 8.1 now (3cd's) ...... if successful will email telephone number (Rockingham) and you can arrange collection. Cheers, Craig. Mandrake Linux 8.1 Kernel version: 2.4.8-34.1mdk Current Linux uptime: 4 days 1 hour 50 minutes. Registered Linux User: 228534 From wootenaa at hotmail.com Tue Jan 22 19:15:37 2002 From: wootenaa at hotmail.com (Aaron Wooten) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:15:37 +0800 Subject: [plug] [OT] For Sale Message-ID: Hi how does $450 cash sound Cheers Aaron >From: "Bennett, Phillip" >Reply-To: plug at plug.linux.org.au >To: "'plug at plug.linux.org.au'" >Subject: [plug] [OT] For Sale >Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:09:42 +0800 > >Maybe a little off topic, but I have an HP LH Pro server up for grabs. >Specs as follows : > >160Mb Registered ECC DRAM > >2 X P/Pro 200mhz Processors (Matched) > >6 X 4.1Gb HD - Raided on a NetServer RaidCard (3 Port) > >2 X 2.1 Gb HD > >2 X Adaptec 2940W SCSI cards > >2 X Onboard Ultra-Wide SCSI > >PCI Madge Token Ring card > >100Mb PCI Ethernet card > >Currently running RH 7.1 dual booting with Win2k. >Bought for $650, make an offer. > >Reply off list. > >Thanks, >Phil. > >This email is confidential and may contain legally privileged information. >If you are not the intended recipient, you must not disclose or use the >information contained in it. If you have received this email in error, >please notify us immediately by return email and delete the document. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From chrisg at doladns.dola.wa.gov.au Wed Jan 23 09:25:23 2002 From: chrisg at doladns.dola.wa.gov.au (Chris Griffin) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:25:23 +0800 Subject: [plug] RedHat7.2 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011219163559.02c4fef8@mail.canningcollege.wa. edu.au> References: <002b01c18867$86d687e0$973e11cb@dad> <5.1.0.14.2.20011218162840.02c85cc0@mail.canningcollege.wa.edu.au> <5.1.0.14.2.20011218170200.02d71660@mail.canningcollege.wa.edu.au> <5.1.0.14.2.20011219092349.02bf64f8@mail.canningcollege.wa.edu.au> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20020123092409.00ab25e0@151.130.8.8> Try installing the Enterprise kernel. I had the same problem and ended up doing this and it now works fine. I know not why. Regards, Chris At 16:37 19/12/01 +0800, you wrote: >Hya Bill, > >At 04:29 PM 19/12/2001 +0800, you wrote: >>Paul, >> >>Just tried that, with the same result. The system hangs when it mount a >>fat32 partition and then performs a check on it - something that did not >>occur with RH7.1. I think it has to do with the journalling system somehow. >>When this happens, I have to boot from CD, go into rescue mode, and remove >>the offending entry from the fstab file. I'll keep looking, and thanks so >>far. > >Can you do a manual mount ie `mount -t vfat /dev/hd?/ /mnt/win32drv` ? > >>Bill. > > >Regards > >Paul Dean >IT Support Officer >paul at canningcollege.wa.edu.au >http://www.canningcollege.wa.edu.au From dsbrown at cyllene.uwa.edu.au Wed Jan 23 09:36:49 2002 From: dsbrown at cyllene.uwa.edu.au (Denis Brown) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:36:49 +0800 Subject: [plug] File system question In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020122111027.017a5d90@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020123092658.02e18620@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> Many thanks to Grahame and Brian for the input. I infer from the replies that it wasn't quite as simplistic an issue as I'd thought; for example I completely missed thinking about the ownership status of copied files & directories. I hope this information has / will be of interest to others, too. For my case I'll simply start again with a much clearer idea of the configuration I want to achieve. 20/20 hindsight is a wondrous thing :-) When / if time permits I'll set up another box and have a play with the techniques of directory movement suggested here. Regards, Denis From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Wed Jan 23 09:44:28 2002 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (craig at postnewspapers.com.au) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:44:28 +0800 Subject: [plug] 2.4 kernel wierdness? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020122092618.0219b138@mail> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020121203935.00b69658@mail> <5.1.0.14.0.20020122092618.0219b138@mail> Message-ID: <20020123014427.GA17320@geek.localnet> > yup, it's there. You might want to try adding alias eth0 8139too to /etc/modules.conf and/or eth0 to /etc/modules > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.314 / Virus Database: 175 - Release Date: 11/01/2002 -- Craig Ringer IT Manager, POST Newspapers http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/ http://oberthur.dyndns.org/~craig/ GPG Key Fingerprint: AF1C ABFE 7E64 E9C8 FC27 C16E D3CE CDC0 0E93 380D -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From skribe at amber.com.au Wed Jan 23 11:00:05 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:00:05 +0800 Subject: [plug] Web Site Upgrade Message-ID: <02012311000506.20022@oberon.amber.com.au> The web site has been upgraded to the new code. I still have some housecleaning to do but if you spot any errors please contact me. skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 Hardware met Software on the road to Changtse. Software said: "You are the Yin and I am the Yang. If we travel together we will become famous and earn vast sums of money." And so the pair set forth together, thinking to conquer the world. Presently, they met Firmware, who was dressed in tattered rags, and hobbled along propped on a thorny stick. Firmware said to them: "The Tao lies beyond Yin and Yang. It is silent and still as a pool of water. It does not seek fame, therefore nobody knows its presence. It does not seeks fortune, for it is complete within itself. It exists beyond space and time." Software and Hardware, ashamed, returned to their homes. -- Geoffrey James, "The Tao of Programming" From PBennett at arg.net.au Wed Jan 23 11:11:28 2002 From: PBennett at arg.net.au (Bennett, Phillip) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:11:28 +0800 Subject: [plug] [OT] For Sale + Extra item Message-ID: <851545268AD5D5118929000629A8722A1F1151@mail.arg.net.au> Now that everyone has seen Aaron's reply, are there any other offers? Disks are as follows : All are made by HP 2.1G disks are D2077A's (5400rpm) 4.2G disks are D3583C's - Hot-Swap (http://www.ibuyer.net/sprodcat.html?cid=1035 has them priced at $600 each!!) It does have a keyboard and mouse. I have a monitor, but it would have to be sold separate. Seeing as I'm spring cleaning as such... I also have a Linksys WAP11 wireless AP for sale. It's worth about 500-600 $$. Would anyone care to bid on it? I'm hoping to get at least $450 for it, as I now live in a 'hole' and can't get LOS to anything wireless... :( Regards, Phil. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chrisg at doladns.dola.wa.gov.au Wed Jan 23 11:20:20 2002 From: chrisg at doladns.dola.wa.gov.au (Chris Griffin) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:20:20 +0800 Subject: [plug] [OT] For Sale + Extra item In-Reply-To: <851545268AD5D5118929000629A8722A1F1151@mail.arg.net.au> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20020123111935.00ab8610@151.130.8.8> How much are you looking to get for the HP (no monitor)? At 11:11 23/01/02 +0800, you wrote: >Now that everyone has seen Aaron's reply, are there any other offers? > >Disks are as follows : All are made by HP >2.1G disks are D2077A's (5400rpm) >4.2G disks are D3583C's - Hot-Swap >(http://www.ibuyer.net/sprodcat.html?cid=1035 >has them priced at $600 each!!) > >It does have a keyboard and mouse. I have a monitor, but it would have to >be sold separate. > >Seeing as I'm spring cleaning as such... I also have a Linksys WAP11 >wireless AP for sale. It's worth about 500-600 $$. Would anyone care to >bid on it? I'm hoping to get at least $450 for it, as I now live in a >'hole' and can't get LOS to anything wireless... :( > >Regards, >Phil. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wootenaa at hotmail.com Wed Jan 23 11:21:40 2002 From: wootenaa at hotmail.com (Aaron Wooten) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:21:40 +0800 Subject: [plug] 386 Ram Message-ID: Hi, I have stumbled across 2 old 386s and as I couldnt do much with them I decided to make one a freesco router but it only has somthing like 500KB of Ram!! and Freesco requires 8mb I think. It also uses some weird kind of ram that makes my other Simms look like giants. If anyones got any somwhere :) , I wouldnt mind buying 16mb . Thanks Aaron _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Wed Jan 23 12:27:01 2002 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 04:27:01 +0000 Subject: [plug] the tecktrek survey Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020123040905.009eea70@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Hey pluggers If I wasn't so cross this would be funny. I answered the tecktrek survey (thoughtfully) https://demo.election.com/techtrek/ and pressed the Submit button and got .. " We are sorry, but we are unable to process your request at this time. Number = 50206 Description = Failure in procedure actRecordResult: ip_address problems. Source = Microsoft OLE DB Provider for SQL Server : Execute - ETM_User.User_Methods:ApplyVote Component.ApplyVote failed " so I tried to reload to recover my posted data and .. " Our records indicate that you have already completed the survey. If you are a new user, then you must logout to start the survey. " Putting aside the stupidity that we will solve the "digital divide" by conducting a fekking _online_survey_ our favourite software provider has problems accepting my (somewhat abusive) comments. In the miniscule comments fields at the bottom I said .. 16. What future things do wish you could do on the Internet that you can't do now, or are not aware of? Enter your response in the text box. "A home office server with reliable b/w and perm IP to host our business here not the USA ($31/mo)" 17. Any other comments about the Internet or your particular communications needs? Enter your response in the text box. "Comment boxes are too small to explain the stupid and/or incoherent agendas of Alston et. al." Try the survey. Your entry might work. It seems I'm an ip_address problem. :) cu Harry From macro at nathan.linux-dude.net Wed Jan 23 12:24:06 2002 From: macro at nathan.linux-dude.net (Nathan Alberti) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:24:06 +0800 Subject: [plug] the tecktrek survey References: <4.2.0.58.20020123040905.009eea70@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <08ac01c1a3c5$cc05c6e0$6401a8c0@nathan> nope....same error. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry McNally" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 12:27 PM Subject: [plug] the tecktrek survey > Hey pluggers > > If I wasn't so cross this would be funny. > > I answered the tecktrek survey (thoughtfully) > > https://demo.election.com/techtrek/ > > and pressed the Submit button and got .. > > " > We are sorry, but we are unable to process your request at this time. > Number = 50206 > Description = Failure in procedure actRecordResult: ip_address problems. > Source = Microsoft OLE DB Provider for SQL Server : Execute - > ETM_User.User_Methods:ApplyVote > Component.ApplyVote failed > " > > so I tried to reload to recover my posted data and .. > > " > Our records indicate that you have already completed the survey. > If you are a new user, then you must logout to start the survey. > " > > Putting aside the stupidity that we will solve the "digital divide" by > conducting a fekking _online_survey_ our favourite software provider has > problems accepting my (somewhat abusive) comments. > > > > In the miniscule comments fields at the bottom I said .. > > 16. What future things do wish you could do on the Internet that you can't > do now, or are not > aware of? Enter your response in the text box. > > "A home office server with reliable b/w and perm IP to host our business > here not the USA ($31/mo)" > > 17. Any other comments about the Internet or your particular communications > needs? Enter > your response in the text box. > > "Comment boxes are too small to explain the stupid and/or incoherent > agendas of Alston et. al." > > Try the survey. Your entry might work. It seems I'm an ip_address problem. > :) > > cu > Harry > > > From Patrick at perthix.net Wed Jan 23 12:25:10 2002 From: Patrick at perthix.net (Patrick Tehvand) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:25:10 +0800 Subject: [plug] the tecktrek survey Message-ID: <13773DCBF9C83747AFB854C5C21E0761258911@wombat.perthix.net> worked for me Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Nathan Alberti [mailto:macro at nathan.linux-dude.net] Sent: Wednesday, 23 January 2002 12:24 PM To: plug at plug.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [plug] the tecktrek survey nope....same error. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry McNally" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 12:27 PM Subject: [plug] the tecktrek survey > Hey pluggers > > If I wasn't so cross this would be funny. > > I answered the tecktrek survey (thoughtfully) > > https://demo.election.com/techtrek/ > > and pressed the Submit button and got .. > > " > We are sorry, but we are unable to process your request at this time. > Number = 50206 > Description = Failure in procedure actRecordResult: ip_address problems. > Source = Microsoft OLE DB Provider for SQL Server : Execute - > ETM_User.User_Methods:ApplyVote > Component.ApplyVote failed > " > > so I tried to reload to recover my posted data and .. > > " > Our records indicate that you have already completed the survey. > If you are a new user, then you must logout to start the survey. > " > > Putting aside the stupidity that we will solve the "digital divide" by > conducting a fekking _online_survey_ our favourite software provider has > problems accepting my (somewhat abusive) comments. > > > > In the miniscule comments fields at the bottom I said .. > > 16. What future things do wish you could do on the Internet that you can't > do now, or are not > aware of? Enter your response in the text box. > > "A home office server with reliable b/w and perm IP to host our business > here not the USA ($31/mo)" > > 17. Any other comments about the Internet or your particular communications > needs? Enter > your response in the text box. > > "Comment boxes are too small to explain the stupid and/or incoherent > agendas of Alston et. al." > > Try the survey. Your entry might work. It seems I'm an ip_address problem. > :) > > cu > Harry > > > From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Wed Jan 23 12:39:40 2002 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 04:39:40 +0000 Subject: [plug] the tecktrek survey In-Reply-To: <13773DCBF9C83747AFB854C5C21E0761258911@wombat.perthix.net> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020123043723.009e2820@decisions-and-designs.com.au> At 04:25 23/01/02 , Patrick wrote: >worked for me > >Patrick Now _that's_ interesting. Are you using IE by any chance ? I'm using Nutscrape under Doze at the moment. I wonder .. H From Patrick at perthix.net Wed Jan 23 12:34:41 2002 From: Patrick at perthix.net (Patrick Tehvand) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:34:41 +0800 Subject: [plug] the tecktrek survey Message-ID: <13773DCBF9C83747AFB854C5C21E0761258912@wombat.perthix.net> ya. 2k ie6 havent tried NS yet. will do now -----Original Message----- From: Harry McNally [mailto:harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 23 January 2002 12:40 PM To: plug at plug.linux.org.au Subject: RE: [plug] the tecktrek survey At 04:25 23/01/02 , Patrick wrote: >worked for me > >Patrick Now _that's_ interesting. Are you using IE by any chance ? I'm using Nutscrape under Doze at the moment. I wonder .. H From Patrick at perthix.net Wed Jan 23 12:37:55 2002 From: Patrick at perthix.net (Patrick Tehvand) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:37:55 +0800 Subject: [plug] the tecktrek survey Message-ID: <13773DCBF9C83747AFB854C5C21E0761258913@wombat.perthix.net> netscape 6.2 worked fine too 4.2 got the same error as u though -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Tehvand Sent: Wednesday, 23 January 2002 12:35 PM To: plug at plug.linux.org.au Subject: RE: [plug] the tecktrek survey ya. 2k ie6 havent tried NS yet. will do now -----Original Message----- From: Harry McNally [mailto:harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 23 January 2002 12:40 PM To: plug at plug.linux.org.au Subject: RE: [plug] the tecktrek survey At 04:25 23/01/02 , Patrick wrote: >worked for me > >Patrick Now _that's_ interesting. Are you using IE by any chance ? I'm using Nutscrape under Doze at the moment. I wonder .. H From tony at cantech.net.au Wed Jan 23 12:38:15 2002 From: tony at cantech.net.au (Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:38:15 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] the tecktrek survey In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020123040905.009eea70@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Harry McNally wrote: > https://demo.election.com/techtrek/ > Try the survey. Your entry might work. It seems I'm an ip_address problem. > :) Yeah same error. Yours Tony. /* * "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the * same level of thinking we were at when we created them." * --Albert Einstein */ From Russell.Magee at calytrix.com Wed Jan 23 13:01:14 2002 From: Russell.Magee at calytrix.com (Russell Keith-Magee) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:01:14 +0800 Subject: [plug] the tecktrek survey In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > https://demo.election.com/techtrek/ > > > > > Try the survey. Your entry might work. It seems I'm an > ip_address problem. > > :) > > Yeah same error. Likewise for ie5 on w2k. Russ %-) ******************************************** Russell Keith-Magee Software Engineer Calytrix Technologies Unit 9, EIR Building, Technology Park PO Box 1173, BENTLEY 6982, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9362 5300 Fax: +61 8 9362 5400 Mobile: 0408 928 379 From skribe at amber.com.au Wed Jan 23 13:22:21 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:22:21 +0800 Subject: [plug] the tecktrek survey In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020123040905.009eea70@decisions-and-designs.com.au> References: <4.2.0.58.20020123040905.009eea70@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <0201231322210A.20022@oberon.amber.com.au> On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:27, Harry McNally wrote: > Hey pluggers > > If I wasn't so cross this would be funny. > > I answered the tecktrek survey (thoughtfully) > > https://demo.election.com/techtrek/ > > and pressed the Submit button and got .. > > " > We are sorry, but we are unable to process your request at this time. > Number = 50206 > Description = Failure in procedure actRecordResult: ip_address problems. > Source = Microsoft OLE DB Provider for SQL Server : Execute - > ETM_User.User_Methods:ApplyVote > Component.ApplyVote failed > " Same here with konq. Has anyone complained? Wanna put it up on the web site and bitch about how our tax dollars are being spent on maintaining the M$ monopoly? skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 "To your left is the marina where several senior cabinet officials keep luxury yachts for weekend cruises on the Potomac. Some of these ships are up to 100 feet in length; the Presidential yacht is over 200 feet in length, and can remain submerged for up to 3 weeks." -- Garrison Keillor From Patrick at perthix.net Wed Jan 23 13:33:27 2002 From: Patrick at perthix.net (Patrick Tehvand) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:33:27 +0800 Subject: [plug] the tecktrek survey Message-ID: <13773DCBF9C83747AFB854C5C21E0761258914@wombat.perthix.net> ya... put it up -----Original Message----- From: skribe [mailto:skribe at amber.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 23 January 2002 1:22 PM To: plug at plug.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [plug] the tecktrek survey On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:27, Harry McNally wrote: > Hey pluggers > > If I wasn't so cross this would be funny. > > I answered the tecktrek survey (thoughtfully) > > https://demo.election.com/techtrek/ > > and pressed the Submit button and got .. > > " > We are sorry, but we are unable to process your request at this time. > Number = 50206 > Description = Failure in procedure actRecordResult: ip_address problems. > Source = Microsoft OLE DB Provider for SQL Server : Execute - > ETM_User.User_Methods:ApplyVote > Component.ApplyVote failed > " Same here with konq. Has anyone complained? Wanna put it up on the web site and bitch about how our tax dollars are being spent on maintaining the M$ monopoly? skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 "To your left is the marina where several senior cabinet officials keep luxury yachts for weekend cruises on the Potomac. Some of these ships are up to 100 feet in length; the Presidential yacht is over 200 feet in length, and can remain submerged for up to 3 weeks." -- Garrison Keillor From PBennett at arg.net.au Wed Jan 23 13:48:03 2002 From: PBennett at arg.net.au (Bennett, Phillip) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:48:03 +0800 Subject: [plug] the tecktrek survey Message-ID: <851545268AD5D5118929000629A8722A1F1153@mail.arg.net.au> Same error for me! Using NT4 + IE5.5 Is this maybe a proxy / firewall issue? I'm behind a firewall, is anyone else? > ---------- > From: Patrick Tehvand[SMTP:Patrick at perthix.net] > Reply To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 12:32 PM > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: RE: [plug] the tecktrek survey > > ya. > > 2k ie6 > > havent tried NS yet. > > will do now > > -----Original Message----- > From: Harry McNally [mailto:harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au] > Sent: Wednesday, 23 January 2002 12:40 PM > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: RE: [plug] the tecktrek survey > > > At 04:25 23/01/02 , Patrick wrote: > >worked for me > > > >Patrick > > Now _that's_ interesting. Are you using IE by any chance ? I'm using > Nutscrape under Doze at the moment. I wonder .. > > H > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r.steicke at bom.gov.au Wed Jan 23 14:19:48 2002 From: r.steicke at bom.gov.au (Russell Steicke) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:19:48 +0800 Subject: [plug] the tecktrek survey In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020123040905.009eea70@decisions-and-designs.com.au> References: <4.2.0.58.20020123040905.009eea70@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <20020123141948.B21551@postoffice.wa.bom.gov.au> On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 04:27:01AM +0000, Harry McNally wrote: > If I wasn't so cross this would be funny. > > I answered the tecktrek survey (thoughtfully) > > https://demo.election.com/techtrek/ ... > Try the survey. Your entry might work. It seems I'm an ip_address problem. > :) Apparently I'm not, it worked here. Debian woody and konqueror 2.2.1.0. > Harry -- Russell Steicke -- Fortune says: A right is not what someone gives you; it's what no one can take from you. -- Ramsey Clark From mike at gilks1.com Wed Jan 23 14:35:03 2002 From: mike at gilks1.com (J Michael Gilks) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:35:03 +0800 Subject: [plug] Logo comparison page Message-ID: <20020123063313.79F338A5E@spark.plug.linux.org.au> I have just revamped the page a fraction to allow easier comparison of logos by loading thumbnails on the main page. You will be able to see more on one screen. I like that. You may also vote for your favourite logo, so upload your best creations and vote, vote, vote. Remember, to stay on top you must vote early and vote often. Check it out at http://www.gilks1.com/mike/plug_logo love Mike. From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Wed Jan 23 14:49:51 2002 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 06:49:51 +0000 Subject: [plug] Logo comparison page In-Reply-To: <20020123063313.79F338A5E@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020123064740.00a5fdc0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> At 06:35 23/01/02 , Mike wrote: >Remember, to stay on top you must vote early and vote often. >Check it out at >http://www.gilks1.com/mike/plug_logo Mr Gilks ! You're not suggesting logo stacking are you ? :) From brian at paradigmit.com.au Wed Jan 23 14:41:03 2002 From: brian at paradigmit.com.au (Brian Tombleson) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:41:03 +0800 Subject: [plug] Logo comparison page References: <20020123063313.79F338A5E@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Message-ID: <008801c1a3d8$ed688d00$6400a8c0@brian> Where do you vote? - Brian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Michael Gilks (by way of J Michael Gilks )" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 2:35 PM Subject: [plug] Logo comparison page > I have just revamped the page a fraction to allow easier comparison of logos > by loading thumbnails on the main page. You will be able to see more on one > screen. I like that. > You may also vote for your favourite logo, so upload your best creations and > vote, vote, vote. > Remember, to stay on top you must vote early and vote often. > Check it out at > http://www.gilks1.com/mike/plug_logo > love > Mike. > > From brian at paradigmit.com.au Wed Jan 23 14:41:40 2002 From: brian at paradigmit.com.au (Brian Tombleson) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:41:40 +0800 Subject: [plug] Logo comparison page References: <20020123063313.79F338A5E@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Message-ID: <008c01c1a3d9$03722ed0$6400a8c0@brian> Ignore last question :-) From: "J Michael Gilks (by way of J Michael Gilks )" > I have just revamped the page a fraction to allow easier comparison of logos > by loading thumbnails on the main page. You will be able to see more on one > screen. I like that. > You may also vote for your favourite logo, so upload your best creations and > vote, vote, vote. > Remember, to stay on top you must vote early and vote often. > Check it out at > http://www.gilks1.com/mike/plug_logo > love > Mike. > > From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Wed Jan 23 15:06:23 2002 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:06:23 +0000 Subject: [plug] the tecktrek survey In-Reply-To: <20020123141948.B21551@postoffice.wa.bom.gov.au> References: <4.2.0.58.20020123040905.009eea70@decisions-and-designs.com.au> <4.2.0.58.20020123040905.009eea70@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020123063835.009e3a90@decisions-and-designs.com.au> At 06:19 23/01/02 , Russell wrote: >On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 04:27:01AM +0000, Harry McNally wrote: > > If I wasn't so cross this would be funny. > > > > I answered the tecktrek survey (thoughtfully) > > > > https://demo.election.com/techtrek/ >... > > Try the survey. Your entry might work. It seems I'm an ip_address problem. > > :) > >Apparently I'm not, it worked here. Debian woody and konqueror 2.2.1.0. > > > Harry I'm suspecting, based on the variable browsers that do and don't work, that the server itself is having a seizure, blocked pipes or something :) Thanks all ppl for trying this out. I'm still cross but now also a bit amused. "Dear Sen Alston ..." Harry Decisions and Designs Pty Ltd, ACN 053 215 599 Software and electronic design and documentation (paper and online) PO Box 8039, South Perth 6151, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9474 3021, Fax: +61 8 9474 3405 Email: mailto:harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Web: http://www.decisions-and-designs.com.au From gilksjm at iinet.net.au Wed Jan 23 16:11:51 2002 From: gilksjm at iinet.net.au (J Michael Gilks) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:11:51 +0800 Subject: [plug] Logo comparison page In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020123064740.00a5fdc0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> References: <4.2.0.58.20020123064740.00a5fdc0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <20020123080925.511A07AB4@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Not really a suggestion, more of a recomendation really :) On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:49, Harry McNally wrote: > At 06:35 23/01/02 , Mike wrote: > >Remember, to stay on top you must vote early and vote often. > >Check it out at > >http://www.gilks1.com/mike/plug_logo > > Mr Gilks ! You're not suggesting logo stacking are you ? :) From Adrian at Diskworld.com.au Wed Jan 23 17:55:19 2002 From: Adrian at Diskworld.com.au (Adrian Woodley) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:55:19 +0800 Subject: [plug] pretty code Message-ID: G'Day, I've been conned into maintaining some of my dad's webpages. Dad, while being a top bloke, an expirienced computer user and a fairly mean fortran programmer, is by no means expirienced with writing html and has consequently used every editor available on win32, from VIM through to Word, to edit these pages. What I need is a quick and dirty code beautifier which will put sensible indents in, etc. If it could Un-wordify that would be good, but not essential. Any ideas? Cheers, Adrian From zombie at wasp.net.au Wed Jan 23 18:03:10 2002 From: zombie at wasp.net.au (Matt Kemner) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:03:10 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] pretty code In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Adrian Woodley wrote: > I've been conned into maintaining some of my dad's webpages. [...] > What I need is a quick and dirty code beautifier which will put > sensible indents in, etc. I haven't used it, but a quick "apt-cache search indent" shows up the program hindent: This utility reformats HTML code to be properly indented/nested for improved readability. You can indent the existing lines as-is, or totally reformat the code to have one tag per line. Hindent is useful in deciphering software-generated HTML code when it's all just one huge line, or help you find find that last missing end-tag, or deal with code victimized by creeping featurism. Written in Perl for Unix. Understands all HTML 3.2 nestable tags. "master web page" at: http://www.domtools.com/unix/hindent.shtml If you do a search on freshmeat etc you'll probably find hundreds of these little programs... - Matt From colin at twobluedots.com.au Wed Jan 23 18:57:21 2002 From: colin at twobluedots.com.au (Colin Muller) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:57:21 +0800 Subject: [plug] pretty code In-Reply-To: ; from Adrian@Diskworld.com.au on Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 05:55:19PM +0800 References: Message-ID: <20020123185721.C8635@twobluedots.com.au> This does the lot: http://tidy.sourceforge.net/ Colin On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 05:55:19PM +0800, Adrian Woodley wrote: > G'Day, > I've been conned into maintaining some of my dad's webpages. Dad, while > being a top bloke, an expirienced computer user and a fairly mean fortran > programmer, is by no means expirienced with writing html and has > consequently used every editor available on win32, from VIM through to > Word, to edit these pages. What I need is a quick and dirty code beautifier > which will put sensible indents in, etc. If it could Un-wordify that would > be good, but not essential. Any ideas? > > Cheers, > Adrian From jas at whatever.iinet.net.au Wed Jan 23 22:09:27 2002 From: jas at whatever.iinet.net.au (Jason Belcher) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:09:27 +0800 Subject: [plug] interesting... Message-ID: <3C4EC417.6010409@whatever.iinet.net.au> Am I the only one who finds it interesting that http://www.windows2000test.com/ which was previously used by Microsoft as a hacking challenge for Windows 2000 and Windows XP, currently has a default Debian/Apache installation page on it? From grogers at vk6hgr.echidna.id.au Wed Jan 23 22:17:13 2002 From: grogers at vk6hgr.echidna.id.au (Gavin Rogers) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:17:13 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] interesting... In-Reply-To: <3C4EC417.6010409@whatever.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Jason Belcher wrote: > Am I the only one who finds it interesting that > http://www.windows2000test.com/ which was previously used by Microsoft > as a hacking challenge for Windows 2000 and Windows XP, currently has a > default Debian/Apache installation page on it? Wierd. All I get is a 'connection refused' error message... Whois says the domain is still registered to Microsoft though, so the opportunity for Linux folk to poke fun at Microsoft with that domain aren't yet available to us :-) --- Gavin Rogers | Amateur radio station VK6HGR grogers at vk6hgr.echidna.id.au | http://vk6hgr.echidna.id.au/ From ajones at clear.net.nz Wed Jan 23 22:30:57 2002 From: ajones at clear.net.nz (Anthony Jones) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:30:57 +0800 Subject: [plug] Font sizes Message-ID: <02012322305702.00860@kandinski> As a devoted Debian user I have yet again upgraded with another 100MB of downloads but this time my fonts have all got bigger - at least the GDM and Gnome title bar fonts, etc. Does anyone know how to change the font sizes? Anthony From arkem at mornmist.2y.net Wed Jan 23 22:39:35 2002 From: arkem at mornmist.2y.net (Arkem (Paul)) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:39:35 +0800 Subject: [plug] interesting... In-Reply-To: <3C4EC417.6010409@whatever.iinet.net.au> References: <3C4EC417.6010409@whatever.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:09, Jason Belcher wrote: > Am I the only one who finds it interesting that > http://www.windows2000test.com/ which was previously used by > Microsoft as a hacking challenge for Windows 2000 and Windows XP, > currently has a default Debian/Apache installation page on it? Are you perhaps running debian with a default apache install? host www.windows2000test.com reveals: www.windows2000test.com CNAME windows2000test.com windows2000test.com CNAME testwindowsxp.net testwindowsxp.net A 0.0.0.0 So that domain is actually pointing (effectively) at the local box. I thought something was up when I tried that address and my own web page came up ^_^ - Paul C From paul at canningcollege.wa.edu.au Wed Jan 23 22:46:24 2002 From: paul at canningcollege.wa.edu.au (Paul Dean) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:46:24 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] interesting... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Gavin Rogers wrote: > On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Jason Belcher wrote: > > > Am I the only one who finds it interesting that > > http://www.windows2000test.com/ which was previously used by Microsoft > > as a hacking challenge for Windows 2000 and Windows XP, currently has a > > default Debian/Apache installation page on it? > > Wierd. > > All I get is a 'connection refused' error message... > > Whois says the domain is still registered to Microsoft though, so the > opportunity for Linux folk to poke fun at Microsoft with that domain > aren't yet available to us :-) > > --- > Gavin Rogers | Amateur radio station VK6HGR > grogers at vk6hgr.echidna.id.au | http://vk6hgr.echidna.id.au/ > Bizareeee http://www.windows2000test.com/ resloves to testwindowsxp.net (0.0.0.0), which routes back to 127.0.0.1 for me.... Dig returns; dig testwindowsxp.net ; <<>> DiG 9.1.0 <<>> testwindowsxp.net ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 9378 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;testwindowsxp.net. IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: testwindowsxp.net. 3331 IN A 0.0.0.0 ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: testwindowsxp.net. 172530 IN NS NS2.WINISP.net. testwindowsxp.net. 172530 IN NS NS1.WINISP.net. Also... NS2.WINISP.net. 3600 IN A 207.46.170.3 NS1.WINISP.net. 3556 IN A 207.46.170.2 Interesting about the hops though... traceroute to NS1.WINISP.net (207.46.170.2)... 19 microsoftoc48-gw.customer.alter.net (157.130.184.26) 533.371 ms 521.370 ms 408.963 ms 20 iuscb11ixc7502-fe-1-0-0.msft.net (207.46.129.136) 387.467 ms 511.703 ms 385.718 ms 21 iusd27nt5c7201-a-1-0-1.msft.net (207.46.168.36) 516.531 ms 508.068 ms 490.200 ms 22 * * * 23 207.46.171.2 (207.46.171.2) 471.835 ms 380.915 ms 372.118 ms 24 207.46.170.2 (207.46.170.2) 410.965 ms 394.407 ms 397.712 ms mmmmmmm more to think about... -- Paul... /***** Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again. -- Franklin P. Jones *****/ /*****All programmers are playwrights and all computers are lousy actors. -- Unknown*****/ /* How smart are Computers? They seem to need instructions all the time... -- Me */ From jas at whatever.iinet.net.au Wed Jan 23 22:50:29 2002 From: jas at whatever.iinet.net.au (Jason Belcher) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:50:29 +0800 Subject: [plug] interesting... References: <3C4EC417.6010409@whatever.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <3C4ECDB5.5060104@whatever.iinet.net.au> Arkem (Paul) wrote: >On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:09, Jason Belcher wrote: > >>Am I the only one who finds it interesting that >>http://www.windows2000test.com/ which was previously used by >>Microsoft as a hacking challenge for Windows 2000 and Windows XP, >>currently has a default Debian/Apache installation page on it? >> > >Are you perhaps running debian with a default apache install? > >host www.windows2000test.com reveals: >www.windows2000test.com CNAME windows2000test.com >windows2000test.com CNAME testwindowsxp.net >testwindowsxp.net A 0.0.0.0 > >So that domain is actually pointing (effectively) at the local box. > >I thought something was up when I tried that address and my own web >page came up ^_^ > >- Paul C > Yes, I found that after doing a bit more investigating after posting that. I won't speak so soon next time :) Jason From joel231 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 23 23:55:45 2002 From: joel231 at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Joel=20Fraser?=) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 02:55:45 +1100 (EST) Subject: [plug] interesting... In-Reply-To: <3C4EC417.6010409@whatever.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <20020123155545.33791.qmail@web11302.mail.yahoo.com> Well netcraft is reporting this on that domain: The site www.windows2000test.com is running Microsoft-IIS/6.0 on unknown. more info check out: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.windows2000test.com Cheers Joel --- Jason Belcher wrote: > Am I the only one who finds it interesting that > http://www.windows2000test.com/ which was previously used by Microsoft > as a hacking challenge for Windows 2000 and Windows XP, currently has a > default Debian/Apache installation page on it? > ===== http://my.yahoo.com.au - My Yahoo! - It's My Yahoo! Get your own! From gilksjm at iinet.net.au Thu Jan 24 04:13:48 2002 From: gilksjm at iinet.net.au (J Michael Gilks) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 04:13:48 +0800 Subject: [plug] Logo Comparison Page Message-ID: <20020123201121.CFE408A63@spark.plug.linux.org.au> I have changed the background of the page to white to better show off the logos and increased the size of the thumbnails for better legibility. Check it out and keep the logos coming. I do have a collection of logos featuring a surfboard. Could whoever created them upload to the page or I could do it, but then you miss out on having your name imortalised. Love Mike. From annebusby at yahoo.com.au Thu Jan 24 12:28:09 2002 From: annebusby at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Anne=20Busby?=) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:28:09 +1100 (EST) Subject: [plug] mouse butons Message-ID: <20020124042809.38256.qmail@web10902.mail.yahoo.com> Hi All, How do I change around the mouse buttons to create a 'left-handed' mouse. I have tried adding -B 321 to the gpm.conf file, but it does not seem work. Is there an Xwindows file I also need to edit. The window manager is IceWM. Anne Busby http://my.yahoo.com.au - My Yahoo! - It's My Yahoo! Get your own! From ryan at prodigital.net.au Thu Jan 24 12:34:24 2002 From: ryan at prodigital.net.au (Ryan) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:34:24 +0800 Subject: [plug] mouse butons In-Reply-To: <20020124042809.38256.qmail@web10902.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020124042809.38256.qmail@web10902.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020124043424.GA27561@prodigital.net.au> > How do I change around the mouse buttons to create a > 'left-handed' mouse. > > I have tried adding -B 321 to the gpm.conf file, but > it does not seem work. Is there an Xwindows file I > also need to edit. The window manager is IceWM. > > Anne Busby > http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&q=linux+X+left+handed+mouse 1 - http://www.ph.utexas.edu/~help/faq/linux.html#x2 xmodmap -e "pointer = 3 2 1" HTH, Ryan From grahame at ucs.uwa.edu.au Thu Jan 24 13:38:28 2002 From: grahame at ucs.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: 24 Jan 2002 13:38:28 +0800 Subject: [plug] mouse butons In-Reply-To: <20020124043424.GA27561@prodigital.net.au> References: <20020124042809.38256.qmail@web10902.mail.yahoo.com> <20020124043424.GA27561@prodigital.net.au> Message-ID: <1011850708.8338.15.camel@typhaon> On Thu, 2002-01-24 at 12:34, Ryan wrote: > > > How do I change around the mouse buttons to create a > > 'left-handed' mouse. > > > > I have tried adding -B 321 to the gpm.conf file, but > > it does not seem work. Is there an Xwindows file I > > also need to edit. The window manager is IceWM. > > > > Anne Busby > > > > http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&q=linux+X+left+handed+mouse > > 1 - http://www.ph.utexas.edu/~help/faq/linux.html#x2 > > xmodmap -e "pointer = 3 2 1" If you have a wheel mouse, do xmodmap -e "pointer = 3 2 1 4 5" not xmodmap -e "pointer = 5 4 3 2 1" which a left handed co-worker did, with amusing results. -- Grahame Bowland Email: grahame at ucs.uwa.edu.au University Communications Services Phone: +61 8 9380 1175 The University of Western Australia Fax: +61 8 9380 1109 CRICOS: 00126G From simpware at yahoo.com Thu Jan 24 20:46:47 2002 From: simpware at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Andrew=20Furey?=) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:46:47 +1100 (EST) Subject: [plug] ipchains & iptables? Message-ID: <20020124124647.40183.qmail@web11203.mail.yahoo.com> Howdy, Anyone know of a good HOWTO-type resource for switching from ipchains to iptables? Something that would show how to do everything ipchains used to do, would be nice. TIA, Andrew ===== "One Architecture, One OS" also translates as "One Egg, One Basket". http://my.yahoo.com.au - My Yahoo! - It's My Yahoo! Get your own! From markn at enspace.com Thu Jan 24 22:14:43 2002 From: markn at enspace.com (Mark Nold) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:14:43 +0800 Subject: [plug] ipchains -> iptables Message-ID: <20020124141126.542957AB4@spark.plug.linux.org.au> I got started on iptables (with no idea of ipchains) from the "Masquerading Made Simple HOWTO" I have a hard copy of it, but unfortunatly www.linuxdoc.org seems down (i think thats where i got it from) For dialup ppp it recommended the following. NB: I added the "rmmod ipchains" any idea of how to get rid of the ipchains module... it doesnt appear to be in /etc/modules.conf (Redhat 7.2) I'm using this whilst digesting the "Security Quick-Start HOWTO for Redhat Linux" ... which isnt as quick as says ;) #!/bin/sh # IP Tables to secure a dialup connection ifup ppp0 rmmod ipchains # Fisrt MASQUERADING modprobe ipt_MASQUERADE iptables -F; iptables -t nat -F; iptables -t mangle -F iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward # Now Secure the interface iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT iptables -A INPUT -m state --state NEW -i ! ppp0 -j ACCEPT iptables -P INPUT DROP iptables -A FORWARD -i ppp0 -o ppp0 -j REJECT From shahmann at hotmail.com Thu Jan 24 14:07:49 2002 From: shahmann at hotmail.com (stephen shah) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:07:49 Subject: [plug] ipchains & iptables? Message-ID: this is a nice easy reading doco, which should help u make the transition Iptables Basics NHF Written By: Prince_Kenshi I'm sure many of you have been wondering how to use iptables to set up a basic firewall. I was wondering the same thing for a long time until I recently figured it out. I'll try to explain the basics to at least get you started. First you need to know how the firewall treats packets leaving, entering, or passing through your computer. Basically there is a chain for each of these. Any packet entering your computer goes through the INPUT chain. Any packet that your computer sends out to the network goes through the OUTPUT chain. Any packet that your computer picks up on one network and sends to another goes through the FORWARD chain. The chains are half of the logic behind iptables themselves. Now the way that iptables works is that you set up certain rules in each of these chains that decide what happens to packets of data that pass through them. For instance, if your computer was to send out a packet to http://www.yahoo.com/ to request an HTML page, it would first pass through the OUTPUT chain. The kernel would look through the rules in the chain and see if any of them match. The first one that matches will decide the outcome of that packet. If none of the rules match, then the policy of the whole chain will be the final decision maker. Then whatever reply Yahoo! sent back would pass through the INPUT chain. It's no more complicated than that. Now that we have the basics out of the way, we can start working on putting all this to practical use. There are a lot of different letters to memorize when using iptables and you'll probably have to peek at the man page often to remind yourself of a certain one. Now let's start with manipulation of certain IP addresses. Suppose you wanted to block all packets coming from 200.200.200.1. First of all, -s is used to specify a source IP or DNS name. So from that, to refer to traffic coming from this address, we'd use this: iptables -s 200.200.200.1 But that doesn't tell what to do with the packets. The -j option is used to specify what happens to the packet. The most common three are ACCEPT, DENY, and DROP. Now you can probably figure out what ACCEPT does and it's not what we want. DENY sends a message back that this computer isn't accepting connections. DROP just totally ignores the packet. If we're really suspicious about this certain IP address, we'd probably prefer DROP over DENY. So here is the command with the result: iptables -s 200.200.200.1 -j DROP But the computer still won't understand this. There's one more thing we need to add and that's which chain it goes on. You use -A for this. It just appends the rule to the end of whichever chain you specify. Since we want to keep the computer from talking to us, we'd put it on INPUT. So here's the entire command: iptables -A INPUT -s 200.200.200.1 -j DROP This single command would ignore everything coming from 200.200.200.1 (with exceptions, but we'll get into that later). The order of the options doesn't matter; the -j DROP could go before -s 200.200.200.1. I just like to put the outcome part at the end of the command. Ok, we're now capable of ignoring a certain computer on a network. If you wanted to keep your computer from talking to it, you'd simply change INPUT to OUTPUT and change the -s to -d for destination. Now that's not too hard, is it? So what if we only wanted to ignore telnet requests from this computer? Well that's not very hard either. You might know that port 23 is for telnet, but you can just use the word telnet if you like. There are at least 3 protocols that can be specified: TCP, UDP, and ICMP. Telnet, like most services, runs on TCP so we're going with it. The -p option specifies the protocol. But TCP doesn't tell it everything; telnet is only a specific protocol used on the larger protocol of TCP. After we specify that the protocol is TCP, we can use --destination-port to denote the port that they're trying to contact us on. Make sure you don't get source and destination ports mixed up. Remember, the client can run on any port, it's the server that will be running the service on port 23. Any time you want to block out a certain service, you'll use --destination-port. The opposite is --source-port in case you need it. So let's put this all together. This should be the command that accomplishes what we want: iptables -A INPUT -s 200.200.200.1 -p tcp --destination-port telnet -j DROP And there you go. If you wanted to specify a range of IP's, you could use 200.200.200.0/24. This would specify any IP that matched 200.200.200.*. Now it's time to fry some bigger fish. Let's say that, like me, you have a local area network and then you have a connection to the internet. We're going to also say that the LAN is eth0 while the internet connection is called ppp0. Now suppose we wanted to allow telnet to run as a service to computers on the LAN but not on the insecure internet. Well there is an easy way to do this. We can use -i for the input interface and -o for the output interface. You could always block it on the OUTPUT chain, but we'd rather block it on the INPUT so that the telnet daemon never even sees the request. Therefore we'll use -i. This should set up just the rule: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --destination-port telnet -i ppp0 -j DROP So this should close off the port to anyone on the internet yet kept it open to the LAN. Now before we go on to more intense stuff, I'd like to briefly explain other ways to manipulate rules. The -A option appends a rule to the end of the list, meaning any matching rule before it will have say before this one does. If we wanted to put a rule before the end of the chain, we use -I for insert. This will put the rule in a numerical location in the chain. For example, if we wanted to put it at the top of the INPUT chain, we'd use "-I INPUT 1" along with the rest of the command. Just change the 1 to whatever place you want it to be in. Now let's say we wanted to replace whatever rule was already in that location. Just use -R to replace a rule. It has the same syntax as -I and works the same way except that it deletes the rule at that position rather than bumping everything down. And finally, if you just want to delete a rule, use -D. This also has a similar syntax but you can either use a number for the rule or type out all the options that you would if you created the rule. The number method is usually the optimal choice. There are two more simple options to learn though. -L lists all the rules set so far. This is obviously helpful when you forget where you're at. AND -F flushes a certain chain. (It removes all of the rules on the chain.) If you don't specify a chain, it will basically flush everything. Well let's get a bit more advanced. We know that these packets use a certain protocol, and if that protocol is TCP, then it also uses a certain port. Now you might be compelled to just close all ports to incoming traffic, but remember, after your computer talks to another computer, that computer must talk back. If you close all of your incoming ports, you'll essentially render your connection useless. And for most non-service programs, you can't predict which port they're going to be communicating on. But there's still a way. Whenever two computers are talking over a TCP connection, that connection must first be initialized. This is the job of a SYN packet. A SYN packet simply tells the other computer that it's ready to talk. Now only the computer requesting the service sends a SYN packet. So if you only block incoming SYN packets, it stops other computers from opening services on your computer but doesn't stop you from communicating with them. It roughly makes your computer ignore anything that it didn't speak to first. It's mean but it gets the job done. Well the option for this is --syn after you've specified the TCP protocol. So to make a rule that would block all incoming connections on only the internet: iptables -A INPUT -i ppp0 -p tcp --syn -j DROP That's a likely rule that you'll be using unless you have a web service running. If you want to leave one port open, for example 80 (HTTP), there's a simple way to do this too. As with many programming languages, an exclamation mark means not. For instance, if you wanted to block all SYN packets on all ports except 80, I believe it would look something like this: iptables -A INPUT -i ppp0 -p tcp --syn --destination-port ! 80 -j DROP It's somewhat complicated but it's not so hard to comprehend. There's one last thing I'd like to cover and that's changing the policy for a chain. The chains INPUT and OUTPUT are usually set to ACCEPT by default and FORWARD is set to DENY. Well if you want to use this computer as a router, you would probably want to set the FORWARD policy to ACCEPT. How do we do this you ask? Well it's really very simple. All you have to do is use the -P option. Just follow it by the chain name and the new policy and you have it made. To change the FORWARD chain to an ACCEPT policy, we'd do this: iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT Nothing to it, huh? This is really just the basics of iptables. It should help you set up a limited firewall but there's still a lot more that I couldn't talk about. You can look at the man page "man iptables" to learn more of the options (or refresh your memory when you forget). You can find more advanced documents if you want to learn some of the more advanced features of iptables. At the time of this writing, iptables documents are somewhat rare because the technology is new but they should be springing up soon. Good luck. Helpful Links: Introducing Netfilter (iptables) http://www.linuxsecurity.com/docs/colsfaq.html Would you like to have your article published online? Send them in to newfiles at linuxnewbie.org >From: Andrew Furey >Reply-To: plug at plug.linux.org.au >To: plug at plug.linux.org.au >Subject: [plug] ipchains & iptables? >Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:46:47 +1100 (EST) > >Howdy, > >Anyone know of a good HOWTO-type resource for >switching from ipchains to iptables? Something that >would show how to do everything ipchains used to do, >would be nice. > >TIA, >Andrew > >===== >"One Architecture, One OS" also translates as "One Egg, One Basket". > >http://my.yahoo.com.au - My Yahoo! >- It's My Yahoo! Get your own! > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From macro at nathan.linux-dude.net Thu Jan 24 22:21:42 2002 From: macro at nathan.linux-dude.net (Nathan Alberti) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:21:42 +0800 Subject: [plug] ipchains -> iptables References: <20020124141126.542957AB4@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Message-ID: <03b601c1a4e2$72155790$6401a8c0@nathan> iptables and ipchains can either: 1) Be compiled as a module and loaded/unloaded as you wish. 2) Be compiled directly as part of the kernel. If you are using RH7.2 its likely that iptables is part of the default kernel. Regards, Nathan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Nold" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 10:14 PM Subject: [plug] ipchains -> iptables > > > I got started on iptables (with no idea of ipchains) from the "Masquerading > Made Simple HOWTO" > > I have a hard copy of it, but unfortunatly www.linuxdoc.org seems down (i > think thats where i got it from) > > For dialup ppp it recommended the following. NB: I added the "rmmod ipchains" > any idea of how to get rid of the ipchains module... it doesnt appear to be > in /etc/modules.conf (Redhat 7.2) > > I'm using this whilst digesting the "Security Quick-Start HOWTO for Redhat > Linux" ... which isnt as quick as says ;) > > > > #!/bin/sh > # IP Tables to secure a dialup connection > ifup ppp0 > rmmod ipchains > # Fisrt MASQUERADING > modprobe ipt_MASQUERADE > iptables -F; iptables -t nat -F; iptables -t mangle -F > iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE > echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward > > # Now Secure the interface > iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT > iptables -A INPUT -m state --state NEW -i ! ppp0 -j ACCEPT > iptables -P INPUT DROP > iptables -A FORWARD -i ppp0 -o ppp0 -j REJECT > > > From markn at enspace.com Thu Jan 24 22:33:10 2002 From: markn at enspace.com (Mark Nold) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:33:10 +0800 Subject: [plug] Do you want a Dot Matrix Printer? Message-ID: <20020124143019.C42517AB4@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Dumb question really, everyone wants a Dot Matrix Printer! Anyone interested in a Brother M1324 plus two, count them two boxes of paper (tractor fead i think) It's a classic (about 10 yrs old) and extreemly reliable, and it prints A3 !!!!! If you cant miss out on this wonderful bargain, contact me off list. mn From paul at canningcollege.wa.edu.au Thu Jan 24 23:02:20 2002 From: paul at canningcollege.wa.edu.au (Paul Dean) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:02:20 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] Do you want a Dot Matrix Printer? In-Reply-To: <20020124143019.C42517AB4@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Message-ID: On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Mark Nold wrote: > > Dumb question really, everyone wants a Dot Matrix Printer! > > Anyone interested in a Brother M1324 plus two, count them two boxes of paper > (tractor fead i think) > > It's a classic (about 10 yrs old) and extreemly reliable, and it prints A3 > !!!!! > > If you cant miss out on this wonderful bargain, contact me off list. > > mn > Mark, where on earth do you get these "Antiquties"... "Hi I'm Mark and this is my Antique shop, just for Computers...." Sorry Mark no offence meant, just very funny about the Printer, as I have and old Kyocera Laser printer (great printer works well) I keep promising my wife I'll get rid off... -- Paul... /***** Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again. -- Franklin P. Jones *****/ /*****All programmers are playwrights and all computers are lousy actors. -- Unknown*****/ /* How smart are Computers? They seem to need instructions all the time... -- Me */ From markn at enspace.com Fri Jan 25 00:29:13 2002 From: markn at enspace.com (Mark Nold) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 00:29:13 +0800 Subject: [plug] Do you want a Dot Matrix Printer Message-ID: <20020124162556.454FC7AB4@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Well this was my very first printer of my very first IBM Compatable PC! Im actually very sorry to see it go, i used it for all my Uni assignments and my dad then took it for the next several years for printing A3 size spreadsheets. It'll hopefully go to Harry's Computer Angels as it still has some life left in it... hey maybe i can offload the families "Atari 400XL" and Daisy Wheel printer, thats still in the garage i think! mn >Mark, where on earth do you get these "Antiquties"... > "Hi I'm Mark and this is my Antique shop, just for Computers...." > Sorry Mark no offence meant, just very funny about the Printer, as I > have and old Kyocera Laser printer (great printer works well) I keep > promising my wife I'll get rid off... > -- >Paul... From markn at enspace.com Fri Jan 25 00:39:11 2002 From: markn at enspace.com (Mark Nold) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 00:39:11 +0800 Subject: [plug] VNC Clients Message-ID: <20020124163555.627E38929@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Hi guys and girls, I'm playing Freeciv with some friends and since we plan to take some games past a couple of hours im sure them dialing in, or me running the box on the net would be the best idea. Now they only have Windows at home. And unfortunatly the Freeciv for Windows client is pretty sucky. So they could run a X Server of their own (some of these are great like WinaXe but cost $) or use VNC. VNC looks like the easiest approach, though i assume requires more bandwidth than them using their own X Server. So from AT&T i grabbed VNC Viewer for Win32 (TightVNC?). It works well .... but looks a bit naf.... plus it sucks how you have to position the windows all the time. (Could this be a window manager thing?) Any suggestions for a VNC client that is appealing to Windows ppls? Thanks, mn From markn at enspace.com Fri Jan 25 01:07:21 2002 From: markn at enspace.com (Mark Nold) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 01:07:21 +0800 Subject: [plug] VNC Clients Message-ID: <20020124170404.E10847AB4@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Sorry about the last question, i fired it off without reading the doco... anyway i can run any Window Manager by modifying ~/.vnc/xstartup mn From mullerc at iinet.net.au Fri Jan 25 07:13:56 2002 From: mullerc at iinet.net.au (Christian =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=FCller?=) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:13:56 +0800 Subject: [plug] OT Read the fucking manual Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20020125071144.021ae8c8@192.168.1.1> This it what I have come across today, I'm sure it will amuse quite a few of you http://www.microsoft.com&item=q209354 at hardware.no/nyheter/feb01/Q209354%20-%20HOWTO.htm It is not hosted by microsoft but is still very funny. Christian From brian at paradigmit.com.au Fri Jan 25 07:53:45 2002 From: brian at paradigmit.com.au (Brian Tombleson) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:53:45 +0800 Subject: [plug] OT Read the fucking manual References: <5.1.0.14.1.20020125071144.021ae8c8@192.168.1.1> Message-ID: <014101c1a532$5c466670$6400a8c0@brian> What I found most amusing was the "Bestiality.net" menu option :-) - Brian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian M?ller" To: Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 7:13 AM Subject: [plug] OT Read the fucking manual > This it what I have come across today, I'm sure it will amuse quite a few > of you > > http://www.microsoft.com&item=q209354 at hardware.no/nyheter/feb01/Q209354%20-% 20HOWTO.htm > > It is not hosted by microsoft but is still very funny. > > Christian > > From bret at busby.net Fri Jan 25 08:39:55 2002 From: bret at busby.net (Bret Busby) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:39:55 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] OT Read the fucking manual In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20020125071144.021ae8c8@192.168.1.1> Message-ID: On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Christian [iso-8859-1] M?ller wrote: A message that could be a bit less offensive. Just remember, that not everyone on this list, either likes, or, has to resort to, the offensive use of the language. As a person that, from time to time, recommends the list, the abuse of the language, is a discouragement to recommend the list, and, an encouragement for some, whose presence is needed, to leave the list. __ Bret Busby .............. From mullerc at iinet.net.au Fri Jan 25 09:02:54 2002 From: mullerc at iinet.net.au (Christian =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=FCller?=) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:02:54 +0800 Subject: [plug] OT RTFM In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.1.20020125071144.021ae8c8@192.168.1.1> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20020125090105.020be908@192.168.1.1> I was not meant to offend anyone, I just thought that it was funny. I might have pressed the send button too early though and should have changed the tiltle to be a little bit less offensive as such. I apologise for that. Christian At 08:39 25/01/2002 +0800, you wrote: >On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Christian [iso-8859-1] M?ller wrote: > >A message that could be a bit less offensive. > >Just remember, that not everyone on this list, either likes, or, has to >resort to, the offensive use of the language. > >As a person that, from time to time, recommends the list, the abuse of the >language, is a discouragement to recommend the list, and, an encouragement >for some, whose presence is needed, to leave the list. > >__ >Bret Busby >.............. From garbuck at tpg.com.au Fri Jan 25 09:17:14 2002 From: garbuck at tpg.com.au (garry) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:17:14 +0800 Subject: [plug] OT RTFM In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20020125090105.020be908@192.168.1.1> References: <5.1.0.14.1.20020125071144.021ae8c8@192.168.1.1> <5.1.0.14.1.20020125090105.020be908@192.168.1.1> Message-ID: <200201250118.MAA16138@buffy.tpgi.com.au> I think most of us have sufficient a sense of humour to look at the context of the usage, and overlook it.. RTFM is a common (unfortunately) refrain. For some reason Brett is offended by seeing it again. Oh Well. Regards, Garry. On Friday 25 January 2002 09:02 am, Christian M?ller wrote: > I was not meant to offend anyone, I just thought that it was funny. I might > have pressed the send button too early though and should have changed the > tiltle to be a little bit less offensive as such. I apologise for that. > > Christian > From Arie.deVries at team.telstra.com Fri Jan 25 09:10:51 2002 From: Arie.deVries at team.telstra.com (de Vries, Arie) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:10:51 +1100 Subject: [plug] ipchains & iptables? Message-ID: This URL gives a good explanation. http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linag2/chapter/ch09.html Regards Arie de Vries > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Furey [mailto:simpware at yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2002 8:45 PM > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: [plug] ipchains & iptables? > > > Howdy, > > Anyone know of a good HOWTO-type resource for > switching from ipchains to iptables? Something that > would show how to do everything ipchains used to do, > would be nice. > > TIA, > Andrew > > ===== > "One Architecture, One OS" also translates as "One Egg, One Basket". > > http://my.yahoo.com.au - My Yahoo! > - It's My Yahoo! Get your own! > From Arie.deVries at team.telstra.com Fri Jan 25 09:23:55 2002 From: Arie.deVries at team.telstra.com (de Vries, Arie) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:23:55 +1100 Subject: [plug] ipchains & iptables? Message-ID: This http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linag2/chapter/ch09.html gives a pretty good explanation Regards Arie de Vries > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Furey [mailto:simpware at yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2002 8:45 PM > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: [plug] ipchains & iptables? > > > Howdy, > > Anyone know of a good HOWTO-type resource for > switching from ipchains to iptables? Something that > would show how to do everything ipchains used to do, > would be nice. > > TIA, > Andrew > > ===== > "One Architecture, One OS" also translates as "One Egg, One Basket". > > http://my.yahoo.com.au - My Yahoo! > - It's My Yahoo! Get your own! > From Arie.deVries at team.telstra.com Fri Jan 25 09:28:51 2002 From: Arie.deVries at team.telstra.com (de Vries, Arie) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:28:51 +1100 Subject: [plug] ipchains & iptables? Message-ID: Try http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linag2/chapter/ch09.html Regards Arie de Vries > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Furey [mailto:simpware at yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2002 8:45 PM > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: [plug] ipchains & iptables? > > > Howdy, > > Anyone know of a good HOWTO-type resource for > switching from ipchains to iptables? Something that > would show how to do everything ipchains used to do, > would be nice. > > TIA, > Andrew > > ===== > "One Architecture, One OS" also translates as "One Egg, One Basket". > > http://my.yahoo.com.au - My Yahoo! > - It's My Yahoo! Get your own! > From apamment at yahoo.com Fri Jan 25 10:40:57 2002 From: apamment at yahoo.com (Andrew Pamment) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:40:57 +0800 Subject: [plug] ipchains & iptables? References: Message-ID: <002b01c1a549$b8c79dd0$8a518ec6@abbey> you know what i reckon http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linag2/chapter/ch09.html might just give a pretty good explanation Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "de Vries, Arie" To: Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 9:28 AM Subject: RE: [plug] ipchains & iptables? > Try http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linag2/chapter/ch09.html > > Regards > > Arie de Vries > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andrew Furey [mailto:simpware at yahoo.com] > > Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2002 8:45 PM > > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > > Subject: [plug] ipchains & iptables? > > > > > > Howdy, > > > > Anyone know of a good HOWTO-type resource for > > switching from ipchains to iptables? Something that > > would show how to do everything ipchains used to do, > > would be nice. > > > > TIA, > > Andrew > > > > ===== > > "One Architecture, One OS" also translates as "One Egg, One Basket". > > > > http://my.yahoo.com.au - My Yahoo! > > - It's My Yahoo! Get your own! > > From twoflippers at icqmail.com Fri Jan 25 11:09:40 2002 From: twoflippers at icqmail.com (Flipper) Date: 24 Jan 2002 19:09:40 -0800 Subject: [plug] 386 Ram Message-ID: <20020125030940.21758.cpmta@c012.snv.cp.net> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From apamment at yahoo.com Fri Jan 25 11:20:40 2002 From: apamment at yahoo.com (Andrew Pamment) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:20:40 +0800 Subject: [plug] 386 Ram References: <20020125030940.21758.cpmta@c012.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: <001101c1a54f$450269b0$8a518ec6@abbey> I dont reckon you'll have 16 30 pin simm slots in your machinee... look in the quokka for 4mb ones, they hard to find tho.. how many slots does it have? my old 386 only had umm 4 which is crap, i reckon most have 8. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Flipper" To: Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [plug] 386 Ram > G'day > > > I have stumbled across 2 old 386s and as I couldnt do much with them > > I decided to make one a freesco router but it only has somthing like > > 500KB of Ram!! and Freesco requires 8mb I think. It also uses some weird > > kind of ram that makes my other Simms look like giants. > > If anyones got any somwhere :) , I wouldnt mind buying 16mb . > > I've got some old 30 pin SIMMS that I believe came from 386's + 486's > either 4 or 8 MBs in 1MB SIMMs (70ns FastPage) > Is this what you are looking for? > > Cheers > David > > ICQ# 44087795 > Perth, Australia > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Sign up for ICQmail at http://www.icq.com/icqmail/signup.html From Arie.deVries at team.telstra.com Fri Jan 25 11:55:26 2002 From: Arie.deVries at team.telstra.com (de Vries, Arie) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:55:26 +1100 Subject: [plug] ipchains & iptables? Message-ID: Sorry about the multiple replies. But stupid M$ Outlook showed that the message was not sent. So I tried inputting PLUG email address several different ways. They are all still sitting in the Outbox, 2 hours later Regards Arie de Vries > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Pamment [mailto:apamment at yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, 25 January 2002 10:40 AM > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: Re: [plug] ipchains & iptables? > > > you know what i reckon > > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linag2/chapter/ch09.html > > might just give a pretty good explanation > > Andrew > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "de Vries, Arie" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 9:28 AM > Subject: RE: [plug] ipchains & iptables? > > > > Try http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linag2/chapter/ch09.html > > > > Regards > > > > Arie de Vries > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Andrew Furey [mailto:simpware at yahoo.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2002 8:45 PM > > > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > > > Subject: [plug] ipchains & iptables? > > > > > > > > > Howdy, > > > > > > Anyone know of a good HOWTO-type resource for > > > switching from ipchains to iptables? Something that > > > would show how to do everything ipchains used to do, > > > would be nice. > > > > > > TIA, > > > Andrew > > > > > > ===== > > > "One Architecture, One OS" also translates as "One Egg, > One Basket". > > > > > > http://my.yahoo.com.au - My Yahoo! > > > - It's My Yahoo! Get your own! > > > > From grahame at ucs.uwa.edu.au Fri Jan 25 12:50:03 2002 From: grahame at ucs.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: 25 Jan 2002 12:50:03 +0800 Subject: [plug] ipchains & iptables? In-Reply-To: <20020124124647.40183.qmail@web11203.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020124124647.40183.qmail@web11203.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1011934203.2726.4.camel@typhaon> On Thu, 2002-01-24 at 20:46, Andrew Furey wrote: > Howdy, > > Anyone know of a good HOWTO-type resource for > switching from ipchains to iptables? Something that > would show how to do everything ipchains used to do, > would be nice. Take a look at ferm - I write most filter rules in that and it goes from your description out into ipchains, iptables or the BSD netfilter stuff. It's in Debian testing/unstable - apt-get install ferm. Cheers, Grahame -- Grahame Bowland Email: grahame at ucs.uwa.edu.au University Communications Services Phone: +61 8 9380 1175 The University of Western Australia Fax: +61 8 9380 1109 CRICOS: 00126G From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Fri Jan 25 13:49:54 2002 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 05:49:54 +0000 Subject: [plug] Mouses, Mice ? Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020125054355.009d9490@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Pluggers Computer Angels are getting machines together but we have bit if a mouse drought. Does anyone have any old mice they can donate ? Any condition will do because we can refurbish, swap cables around, whatever to make them work. Any of those little DP9 to PS/2 mouse adapter whatsits would be useful too. If you are able to drop them in, there is a workshop running tomorrow (Saturday) in our new (but still being setup) space at: 228 Great Eastern Highway, Belmont; near the corner of Hardy Road, Workshop runs from 9am until 2pm. See you Harry From mpople at orbeng.com Fri Jan 25 14:01:19 2002 From: mpople at orbeng.com (mpople at orbeng.com) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:01:19 +0800 Subject: [plug] Loki no longer! :( Message-ID: http://www.f---edcompany.com/extras/loki_email.cfm shit looks like im gunna have get that credit car in working order before Jan31! PLEASE TAKE NOTE: The contents of this email (including any attachments) may be privileged and confidential. Any unauthorised use of the contents is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please advise us immediately (you can contact us by telephone on +61 8 9441 2311 by reverse charge) and then permanently delete this email together with any attachments. We appreciate your co-operation. Whilst Orbital endeavours to take reasonable care to ensure that this email and any attachments are free from viruses or other defects, Orbital does not represent or warrant that such is explicitly the case (C) 2000: Orbital Engine Company (Australia) PTY LTD and its affiliates From tgutmann at iinet.net.au Fri Jan 25 14:12:17 2002 From: tgutmann at iinet.net.au (Theodor Gutmann) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:12:17 +0800 Subject: [plug] Loki no longer! :( In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c1a567$3dceebb0$1cbd3bcb@Braumeister> I am amazed that Loki Games lasted for 3 years with Linux users expecting EVERYTHING for free!! -----Original Message----- From: mpople at orbeng.com [mailto:mpople at orbeng.com] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 2:01 PM To: plug at plug.linux.org.au Subject: [plug] Loki no longer! :( http://www.f---edcompany.com/extras/loki_email.cfm shit looks like im gunna have get that credit car in working order before Jan31! 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Whilst Orbital endeavours to take reasonable care to ensure that this email and any attachments are free from viruses or other defects, Orbital does not represent or warrant that such is explicitly the case (C) 2000: Orbital Engine Company (Australia) PTY LTD and its affiliates From macro at nathan.linux-dude.net Fri Jan 25 14:23:35 2002 From: macro at nathan.linux-dude.net (Nathan Alberti) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:23:35 +0800 Subject: [plug] Loki no longer! :( References: <000601c1a567$3dceebb0$1cbd3bcb@Braumeister> Message-ID: <05fe01c1a568$d1728650$6401a8c0@nathan> This is a very simplistic view of the Linux community, I think you will find that the amount of linux users that fit into this category are few compared to those who contribute to the best of their abilities, it may not in a monetary sense, but by either helping others and/or contributing to open source projects in any way they can. Regards, Nathan Alberti. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theodor Gutmann" To: Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 2:12 PM Subject: RE: [plug] Loki no longer! :( > I am amazed that Loki Games lasted for 3 years with Linux users > expecting EVERYTHING for free!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: mpople at orbeng.com [mailto:mpople at orbeng.com] > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 2:01 PM > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: [plug] Loki no longer! :( > > http://www.f---edcompany.com/extras/loki_email.cfm > > shit looks like im gunna have get that credit car in working order > before > Jan31! > > > > PLEASE TAKE NOTE: > > The contents of this email (including any attachments) may be > privileged and confidential. Any unauthorised use of the contents > is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, > please advise us immediately (you can contact us by telephone > on +61 8 9441 2311 by reverse charge) and then permanently > delete this email together with any attachments. We appreciate > your co-operation. > > Whilst Orbital endeavours to take reasonable care to ensure > that this email and any attachments are free from viruses or other > defects, Orbital does not represent or warrant that such is explicitly > the case > > (C) 2000: Orbital Engine Company (Australia) PTY LTD and its > affiliates > > > From tgutmann at iinet.net.au Fri Jan 25 14:31:15 2002 From: tgutmann at iinet.net.au (Theodor Gutmann) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:31:15 +0800 Subject: [plug] Loki no longer! :( In-Reply-To: <05fe01c1a568$d1728650$6401a8c0@nathan> Message-ID: <000701c1a569$e439d8f0$1cbd3bcb@Braumeister> Call it simplistic or whatever you like; Loki's demise is a reflection of it. -----Original Message----- From: Nathan Alberti [mailto:macro at nathan.linux-dude.net] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 2:24 PM To: plug at plug.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [plug] Loki no longer! :( This is a very simplistic view of the Linux community, I think you will find that the amount of linux users that fit into this category are few compared to those who contribute to the best of their abilities, it may not in a monetary sense, but by either helping others and/or contributing to open source projects in any way they can. Regards, Nathan Alberti. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theodor Gutmann" To: Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 2:12 PM Subject: RE: [plug] Loki no longer! :( > I am amazed that Loki Games lasted for 3 years with Linux users > expecting EVERYTHING for free!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: mpople at orbeng.com [mailto:mpople at orbeng.com] > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 2:01 PM > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: [plug] Loki no longer! :( > > http://www.f---edcompany.com/extras/loki_email.cfm > > shit looks like im gunna have get that credit car in working order > before > Jan31! > > > > PLEASE TAKE NOTE: > > The contents of this email (including any attachments) may be > privileged and confidential. Any unauthorised use of the contents > is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, > please advise us immediately (you can contact us by telephone > on +61 8 9441 2311 by reverse charge) and then permanently > delete this email together with any attachments. We appreciate > your co-operation. > > Whilst Orbital endeavours to take reasonable care to ensure > that this email and any attachments are free from viruses or other > defects, Orbital does not represent or warrant that such is explicitly > the case > > (C) 2000: Orbital Engine Company (Australia) PTY LTD and its > affiliates > > > From brad at seme.com.au Fri Jan 25 14:42:58 2002 From: brad at seme.com.au (Brad Campbell) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:42:58 +0800 Subject: [plug] Loki no longer! :( References: <000701c1a569$e439d8f0$1cbd3bcb@Braumeister> Message-ID: <3C50FE72.C089938C@seme.com.au> Theodor Gutmann wrote: > > Call it simplistic or whatever you like; Loki's demise is a reflection > of it. I'm not sure I agree with that at all. My feeling is more that the Linux community, as computer users are a relatively immature bunch. (Not immature as in social development, more related to technical expertise) Given the ease (bear with me here) with which a Windows pc can be set up and running all win32 available games almost flawlessly in full glorious 3d with 5.1ac3 sound, compared to the relative pain and lack of titles for a linux box, I feel linux has a long way to go in maturing into a viable gaming platform. As a result of this, I feel Loki had the plug pulled on them prematurely, but in the current IT environment I can see why it happened. I don't play games much at all. Perhaps the occasional game of xdigger or tetris, or even freecell under wine, but I do try to get 3d fps games working under linux just to point to them and say "There! see linux IS a viable gaming platform" But it's not. Not yet anyway.. As a daily driver desktop, and ultra reliable server it IS there and I use it as such constantly. -- Brad.... /"\ Save the Forests \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN Burn a Greenie. X AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ From macro at nathan.linux-dude.net Fri Jan 25 14:45:21 2002 From: macro at nathan.linux-dude.net (Nathan Alberti) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:45:21 +0800 Subject: [plug] Loki no longer! :( References: <000701c1a569$e439d8f0$1cbd3bcb@Braumeister> Message-ID: <062801c1a56b$dc549920$6401a8c0@nathan> I disagree, I think any small company that made it this far with the current economic climate has done extremely well (or is good friends with IBM/Intel/MS..etc..), I know many companies with a bigger market and more potential than Loki that have fallen in the past 12 months. http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/01/24/2118235&mode=thread Regards, Nathan Alberti ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theodor Gutmann" To: Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 2:31 PM Subject: RE: [plug] Loki no longer! :( > Call it simplistic or whatever you like; Loki's demise is a reflection > of it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nathan Alberti [mailto:macro at nathan.linux-dude.net] > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 2:24 PM > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: Re: [plug] Loki no longer! :( > > This is a very simplistic view of the Linux community, I think you will > find > that the amount of linux users that fit into this category are few > compared > to those who contribute to the best of their abilities, it may not in a > monetary sense, but by either helping others and/or contributing to open > source projects in any way they can. > > Regards, > > Nathan Alberti. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Theodor Gutmann" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 2:12 PM > Subject: RE: [plug] Loki no longer! :( > > > > I am amazed that Loki Games lasted for 3 years with Linux users > > expecting EVERYTHING for free!! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mpople at orbeng.com [mailto:mpople at orbeng.com] > > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 2:01 PM > > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > > Subject: [plug] Loki no longer! :( > > > > http://www.f---edcompany.com/extras/loki_email.cfm > > > > shit looks like im gunna have get that credit car in working order > > before > > Jan31! > > > > > > > > PLEASE TAKE NOTE: > > > > The contents of this email (including any attachments) may be > > privileged and confidential. Any unauthorised use of the contents > > is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, > > please advise us immediately (you can contact us by telephone > > on +61 8 9441 2311 by reverse charge) and then permanently > > delete this email together with any attachments. We appreciate > > your co-operation. > > > > Whilst Orbital endeavours to take reasonable care to ensure > > that this email and any attachments are free from viruses or other > > defects, Orbital does not represent or warrant that such is explicitly > > the case > > > > (C) 2000: Orbital Engine Company (Australia) PTY LTD and its > > affiliates > > > > > > > > > From simpware at yahoo.com Fri Jan 25 15:02:03 2002 From: simpware at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Andrew=20Furey?=) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:02:03 +1100 (EST) Subject: [plug] ipchains & iptables? In-Reply-To: <1011934203.2726.4.camel@typhaon> Message-ID: <20020125070203.93949.qmail@web11203.mail.yahoo.com> > Take a look at ferm - I write most filter rules in > that and it goes from > your description out into ipchains, iptables or the > BSD netfilter stuff. Interesting... In most cases I have the existing ipchains rules which I want to convert holus-bolus to iptables; this would help with that, plus actually _understanding_ iptables... :) Thanks everyone. Andrew ===== "One Architecture, One OS" also translates as "One Egg, One Basket". http://my.yahoo.com.au - My Yahoo! - It's My Yahoo! Get your own! From leon at lostrealm.com Fri Jan 25 15:04:03 2002 From: leon at lostrealm.com (Leon Blackwell) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:04:03 +0800 Subject: [plug] Loki no longer! :( In-Reply-To: <000701c1a569$e439d8f0$1cbd3bcb@Braumeister>; from tgutmann@iinet.net.au on Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 02:31:15PM +0800 References: <05fe01c1a568$d1728650$6401a8c0@nathan> <000701c1a569$e439d8f0$1cbd3bcb@Braumeister> Message-ID: <20020125150402.B17737@lostrealm.com> On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 02:31:15PM +0800, Theodor Gutmann wrote: > Call it simplistic or whatever you like; Loki's demise is a reflection > of it. I think Loki's demise is due to a large number of things. I, for one, never bought one of their games. This isn't because I wouldn't pay for them -- I most certainly would. It also isn't because I don't play games, because I do (although not that much these days as there's too many other things to get done). The reason I never bought one of their games was because the ones I might have been interested in all required hardware that I didn't have. I can't afford to upgrade my Linux box and get a chunky 3D card just to play games, and I'm guessing that I'm not the only one here that doesn't have the newest and fastest thing on the market (especially with all this talk of 386 RAM that's been going on :) Perhaps if Loki had chosen a few older titles to port, more of us would have gone out and paid for them. Where is Lemmings for Linux (no, Pingus is still nowhere near finished)? Where is Myst? Where are the ports of Starcraft or Dark Reign? Sure, they mostly work under WINE, but I'd rather have paid for a version that doesn't crash, and that will network with the equivalent Windows versions happily. Loki died for a number of reasons, and I don't think it was just because all us Linux users are tight. -- Leon Blackwell | A nice thing about not planning is http://www.lostrealm.com/ | that failure comes as a complete jabber:Lionfire at lostrealm.com | surprise and is not preceeded by long | periods of worry and depression. From pete at akira.apana.org.au Fri Jan 25 15:16:58 2002 From: pete at akira.apana.org.au (Peter Wright) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:16:58 +0800 Subject: [plug] Loki no longer! :( In-Reply-To: <20020125150402.B17737@lostrealm.com> References: <05fe01c1a568$d1728650$6401a8c0@nathan> <000701c1a569$e439d8f0$1cbd3bcb@Braumeister> <20020125150402.B17737@lostrealm.com> Message-ID: <20020125151658.A19777@chef.flooble.net.au> On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 03:04:03PM +0800, Leon Blackwell wrote: > On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 02:31:15PM +0800, Theodor Gutmann wrote: > > Call it simplistic or whatever you like; Loki's demise is a reflection > > of it. > > I think Loki's demise is due to a large number of things. [ ... ] > Loki died for a number of reasons, and I don't think it was just because > all us Linux users are tight. I'd like to know exactly _how_ low their sales were... ie. if they were so low that even if their CEO was an absolute genius (he wasn't :-) it wouldn't have made any difference. The games market is pretty tough for everyone, really - there are a few at the top (eg. id) that make a significant amount of money, there are a fair number who get by, and then there are those that don't get by. It may well have been the case that it was always unrealistic to hope that Loki could even pay for itself, considering that it was targetting a market much much smaller than that of Windows games developers... but I'm glad they tried. They did a lot of fantastic ports. I personally have bought quite a few of their games - I'd have to get home and do a count to be sure, but should be at least ten. Damn shame that I won't be able to get Deus Ex now. :-(( > Leon Blackwell | A nice thing about not planning is Pete. -- http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/ A bug in the code is worth two in the documentation. From tgutmann at iinet.net.au Fri Jan 25 15:19:12 2002 From: tgutmann at iinet.net.au (Theodor Gutmann) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:19:12 +0800 Subject: [plug] Loki no longer! :( In-Reply-To: <062801c1a56b$dc549920$6401a8c0@nathan> Message-ID: <000401c1a570$974387b0$78cf3bcb@Braumeister> First the obvious question: are there any games for Linux?? Yes!!..........lots. Many are ports of popular Windows games such as the Quake series, Civilisation: CTP, Myth, Soldier of fortune, Descent 3, Unreal Tournament and Tribes 2 to name a few- and they install and run just the same, if not better ( there are benchmarks scores available ). There is but one problem with games under Linux- NOBODY BUYS THEM!. Whether it is because Linux geeks are short on cash, or they are so used to open source philosophy that buying software is a major hurdle, who knows, but Linux game company Loki filed for bankruptcy protection. Loki was the crowning glory of games for Linux, consisting of a group of talented programmers with a solid service to SELL - they'd port Windows games to Linux in return for a share of the profits of the ported game. All the game company needs to do is hand over the source to Loki and then wait for the cash from the sales to roll in. But the sales DID NOT roll in, Loki ran out of investment capital. -----Original Message----- From: Nathan Alberti [mailto:macro at nathan.linux-dude.net] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 2:45 PM To: plug at plug.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [plug] Loki no longer! :( I disagree, I think any small company that made it this far with the current economic climate has done extremely well (or is good friends with IBM/Intel/MS..etc..), I know many companies with a bigger market and more potential than Loki that have fallen in the past 12 months. http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/01/24/2118235&mode=thread Regards, Nathan Alberti ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theodor Gutmann" To: Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 2:31 PM Subject: RE: [plug] Loki no longer! :( > Call it simplistic or whatever you like; Loki's demise is a reflection > of it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nathan Alberti [mailto:macro at nathan.linux-dude.net] > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 2:24 PM > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: Re: [plug] Loki no longer! :( > > This is a very simplistic view of the Linux community, I think you will > find > that the amount of linux users that fit into this category are few > compared > to those who contribute to the best of their abilities, it may not in a > monetary sense, but by either helping others and/or contributing to open > source projects in any way they can. > > Regards, > > Nathan Alberti. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Theodor Gutmann" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 2:12 PM > Subject: RE: [plug] Loki no longer! :( > > > > I am amazed that Loki Games lasted for 3 years with Linux users > > expecting EVERYTHING for free!! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mpople at orbeng.com [mailto:mpople at orbeng.com] > > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 2:01 PM > > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > > Subject: [plug] Loki no longer! :( > > > > http://www.f---edcompany.com/extras/loki_email.cfm > > > > shit looks like im gunna have get that credit car in working order > > before > > Jan31! > > > > > > > > PLEASE TAKE NOTE: > > > > The contents of this email (including any attachments) may be > > privileged and confidential. Any unauthorised use of the contents > > is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, > > please advise us immediately (you can contact us by telephone > > on +61 8 9441 2311 by reverse charge) and then permanently > > delete this email together with any attachments. We appreciate > > your co-operation. > > > > Whilst Orbital endeavours to take reasonable care to ensure > > that this email and any attachments are free from viruses or other > > defects, Orbital does not represent or warrant that such is explicitly > > the case > > > > (C) 2000: Orbital Engine Company (Australia) PTY LTD and its > > affiliates > > > > > > > > > From skribe at amber.com.au Fri Jan 25 15:22:35 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:22:35 +0800 Subject: [plug] Loki no longer! :( In-Reply-To: <3C50FE72.C089938C@seme.com.au> References: <000701c1a569$e439d8f0$1cbd3bcb@Braumeister> <3C50FE72.C089938C@seme.com.au> Message-ID: <02012515223500.30372@oberon.amber.com.au> On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:42, Brad Campbell wrote: > Given the ease (bear with me here) with which a Windows pc can be set up > and running all win32 available games almost flawlessly in full glorious 3d > with 5.1ac3 sound, compared to the relative pain and lack of titles for a > linux box, I feel linux has a long way to go in maturing into a viable > gaming platform. In my experience, Loki never produced anything so mind-numbingly must-have that I couldn't resist going to all the effort of finding, purchasing and installing the damn thing. skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 Is he the MAGIC INCA carrying a FROG on his shoulders?? Is the FROG his GUIDELIGHT?? It is curious that a DOG runs already on the ESCALATOR ... From r.steicke at bom.gov.au Fri Jan 25 15:49:47 2002 From: r.steicke at bom.gov.au (Russell Steicke) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:49:47 +0800 Subject: [plug] traffic requirements for woody mirror Message-ID: <20020125154947.A8269@postoffice.wa.bom.gov.au> Hello all, Someone at work has setup a mirror of RedHat and Mandrake update RPMs (for internal use only). I'd like to get a debian archive added to the list. Actually doing the mirror via rsync is easy and well documented. But I'd like to know what the traffic requirements are for maintaining a woody archive: how many MB per week is used in updating things? And I believe that UWA has a debian mirror. If I turn up at one of the UCC meetings, would they let me copy lots of the debian mirror to my laptop so I could "seed" the work mirror? (I imagine the powers would be more likely to say yes to my request for a debian mirror if the initial archive could be got for nothing.) Thanks Russell -- Russell Steicke -- Fortune says: There's nothing to writing. All you do is sit at a typewriter and open a vein. -- Red Smith From Adrian at Diskworld.com.au Fri Jan 25 16:17:08 2002 From: Adrian at Diskworld.com.au (Adrian Woodley) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:17:08 +0800 Subject: [plug] Loki no longer! :( In-Reply-To: <000401c1a570$974387b0$78cf3bcb@Braumeister> References: <000401c1a570$974387b0$78cf3bcb@Braumeister> Message-ID: apt-get install UnrealTournament? I'd like to see that... :) On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Theodor Gutmann wrote: > Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:19:12 +0800 > To: > From: "Theodor Gutmann" > Reply-To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: RE: [plug] Loki no longer! :( > > First the obvious question: are there any games for Linux?? > Yes!!..........lots. > Many are ports of popular Windows games such as the Quake series, > Civilisation: CTP, Myth, Soldier of fortune, Descent 3, Unreal > Tournament and Tribes 2 to name a few- and they install and run just > the same, if not better ( there are benchmarks scores available ). There > is but one problem with games under Linux- NOBODY BUYS THEM!. > > Whether it is because Linux geeks are short on cash, or they are so used > to open source philosophy that buying software is a major hurdle, who > knows, but Linux game company Loki filed for bankruptcy protection. Loki > was the crowning glory of games for Linux, consisting of a group of > talented programmers with a solid service to SELL - they'd port Windows > games to Linux in return for a share of the profits of the ported game. > All the game company needs to do is hand over the source to Loki and > then wait for the cash from the sales to roll in. > But the sales DID NOT roll in, Loki ran out of investment capital. > -----Original Message----- > From: Nathan Alberti [mailto:macro at nathan.linux-dude.net] > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 2:45 PM > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: Re: [plug] Loki no longer! :( > > I disagree, I think any small company that made it this far with the > current > economic climate has done extremely well (or is good friends with > IBM/Intel/MS..etc..), I know many companies with a bigger market and > more > potential than Loki that have fallen in the past 12 months. > > http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/01/24/2118235&mode=thread > > Regards, > > Nathan Alberti > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Theodor Gutmann" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 2:31 PM > Subject: RE: [plug] Loki no longer! :( > > > > Call it simplistic or whatever you like; Loki's demise is a > reflection > > of it. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Nathan Alberti [mailto:macro at nathan.linux-dude.net] > > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 2:24 PM > > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > > Subject: Re: [plug] Loki no longer! :( > > > > This is a very simplistic view of the Linux community, I think you > will > > find > > that the amount of linux users that fit into this category are few > > compared > > to those who contribute to the best of their abilities, it may not in > a > > monetary sense, but by either helping others and/or contributing to > open > > source projects in any way they can. > > > > Regards, > > > > Nathan Alberti. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Theodor Gutmann" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 2:12 PM > > Subject: RE: [plug] Loki no longer! :( > > > > > > > I am amazed that Loki Games lasted for 3 years with Linux users > > > expecting EVERYTHING for free!! > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: mpople at orbeng.com [mailto:mpople at orbeng.com] > > > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 2:01 PM > > > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > > > Subject: [plug] Loki no longer! :( > > > > > > http://www.f---edcompany.com/extras/loki_email.cfm > > > > > > shit looks like im gunna have get that credit car in working order > > > before > > > Jan31! > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE TAKE NOTE: > > > > > > The contents of this email (including any attachments) may be > > > privileged and confidential. 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We appreciate > > > your co-operation. > > > > > > Whilst Orbital endeavours to take reasonable care to ensure > > > that this email and any attachments are free from viruses or other > > > defects, Orbital does not represent or warrant that such is > explicitly > > > the case > > > > > > (C) 2000: Orbital Engine Company (Australia) PTY LTD and its > > > affiliates > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From grahame at ucs.uwa.edu.au Fri Jan 25 16:19:49 2002 From: grahame at ucs.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: 25 Jan 2002 16:19:49 +0800 Subject: [plug] Loki no longer! :( In-Reply-To: <000401c1a570$974387b0$78cf3bcb@Braumeister> References: <000401c1a570$974387b0$78cf3bcb@Braumeister> Message-ID: <1011946789.2726.34.camel@typhaon> On Fri, 2002-01-25 at 15:19, Theodor Gutmann wrote: > First the obvious question: are there any games for Linux?? > Yes!!..........lots. > Many are ports of popular Windows games such as the Quake series, > Civilisation: CTP, Myth, Soldier of fortune, Descent 3, Unreal > Tournament and Tribes 2 to name a few- and they install and run just > the same, if not better ( there are benchmarks scores available ). There > is but one problem with games under Linux- NOBODY BUYS THEM!. > > Whether it is because Linux geeks are short on cash, or they are so used > to open source philosophy that buying software is a major hurdle, who > knows, but Linux game company Loki filed for bankruptcy protection. Loki > was the crowning glory of games for Linux, consisting of a group of > talented programmers with a solid service to SELL - they'd port Windows > games to Linux in return for a share of the profits of the ported game. > All the game company needs to do is hand over the source to Loki and > then wait for the cash from the sales to roll in. > But the sales DID NOT roll in, Loki ran out of investment capital. I don't think it's any of this stuff. The fact is that: - most Linux people have access to a Windows box - it's so much easier to buy Windows games than Linux games - they're only ports of existing Windows games, without any special added features and with introduced bugs/the occasional missing feature - some of the games couldn't multiplayer with the Windows versions of themselve So when confronted with the choice of getting the easy-to-install, easy-to-buy Windows game or the Linux version that might not work completely, most people just opt for the easiest and buy Windows. You can't blame people for that. People want stuff to work, people don't (in general) care that Linux is free, open, good or right. And Loki's software wasn't an embodiment of those principals anyway. Perhaps Loki would have sold more games to Linux people if they'd actually developed cool new games - then this whole easier option wouldn't have existed. Given that RedHat x.x is so easy to find these days you might have found people installing it just to try the latest Loki demo CD. They had nothing to make people want to switch to Linux and buy their product, and their was no particular reason someone dual-booting would buy the Linux program. It might have been more sensible to be a consulting company at first, contracting to existing games houses who already have their own distribution channels. Given the price of pressing a CD, you might even have found a Windows and a Linux version in some boxes. Although perhaps that is wishful thinking. Have fun Grahame -- Grahame Bowland Email: grahame at ucs.uwa.edu.au University Communications Services Phone: +61 8 9380 1175 The University of Western Australia Fax: +61 8 9380 1109 CRICOS: 00126G From grahame at ucs.uwa.edu.au Fri Jan 25 16:23:23 2002 From: grahame at ucs.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: 25 Jan 2002 16:23:23 +0800 Subject: [plug] traffic requirements for woody mirror In-Reply-To: <20020125154947.A8269@postoffice.wa.bom.gov.au> References: <20020125154947.A8269@postoffice.wa.bom.gov.au> Message-ID: <1011947003.2725.38.camel@typhaon> On Fri, 2002-01-25 at 15:49, Russell Steicke wrote: > Hello all, > > Someone at work has setup a mirror of RedHat and Mandrake update RPMs > (for internal use only). I'd like to get a debian archive added to the > list. Actually doing the mirror via rsync is easy and well documented. > > But I'd like to know what the traffic requirements are for maintaining a > woody archive: how many MB per week is used in updating things? > > And I believe that UWA has a debian mirror. If I turn up at one of the > UCC meetings, would they let me copy lots of the debian mirror to my > laptop so I could "seed" the work mirror? (I imagine the powers would > be more likely to say yes to my request for a debian mirror if the > initial archive could be got for nothing.) ftp.uwa.edu.au - it's all there. I have dropped a few architectures - after I had a look at the FTP logs I discovered nobody uses them and we were running out of disk space. You'll need a lot of space free, and be warned that UCC only has 10Mb through to the UWA network so it'll take hours as well. -- Grahame Bowland Email: grahame at ucs.uwa.edu.au University Communications Services Phone: +61 8 9380 1175 The University of Western Australia Fax: +61 8 9380 1109 CRICOS: 00126G From zombie at wasp.net.au Fri Jan 25 16:32:30 2002 From: zombie at wasp.net.au (Matt Kemner) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:32:30 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] Loki no longer! :( In-Reply-To: <1011946789.2726.34.camel@typhaon> Message-ID: On 25 Jan 2002, Grahame Bowland wrote: > I don't think it's any of this stuff. The fact is that: > - most Linux people have access to a Windows box > - it's so much easier to buy Windows games than Linux games > - they're only ports of existing Windows games, without any special > added features and with introduced bugs/the occasional missing > feature > - some of the games couldn't multiplayer with the Windows versions > of themselve On top of that, if you purchase the Windows version, you can download the Linux binaries for free and use that with the data files present on the CD, so for the same price you get a game that works on BOTH systems. If you purchase the Linux version, you can only use it under Linux. - Matt From christian at amnet.net.au Fri Jan 25 16:40:11 2002 From: christian at amnet.net.au (Christian) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:40:11 +0800 Subject: [plug] Loki no longer! :( In-Reply-To: <000601c1a567$3dceebb0$1cbd3bcb@Braumeister>; from tgutmann@iinet.net.au on Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 02:12:17PM +0800 References: <000601c1a567$3dceebb0$1cbd3bcb@Braumeister> Message-ID: <20020125164011.A29467@eagle.amnet.net.au> On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 02:12:17PM +0800, Theodor Gutmann wrote: > I am amazed that Loki Games lasted for 3 years with Linux users > expecting EVERYTHING for free!! I don't think Linux user's "expect" everything for free. I've bought free software many times. I've also bought one of Loki's products. If anything, my guess would be that proportionally less of Loki's games would have been copied illegally than Windows games. The difference is simply in the size of the market. -- DSA 0x2A0F80F3: 39F3 4E10 9BE9 E728 A9EE 029C D51D EE53 2A0F 80F3 From tgutmann at iinet.net.au Fri Jan 25 17:02:09 2002 From: tgutmann at iinet.net.au (Theodor Gutmann) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:02:09 +0800 Subject: [plug] Loki no longer! :( In-Reply-To: <1011946789.2726.34.camel@typhaon> Message-ID: <000f01c1a57e$f898a460$78cf3bcb@Braumeister> The company that started the ball rolling, however was id. Before Loki came along id gave the platform major credibility by releasing Linux versions of the whole Quake series. With Quake 3 Arena the standard benchmarking tool, this is an ideal opportunity to pay homage yo idand compare the same game native to each platform. And it appears Linux has quite a kick in it. Given that NVIDIA Linux drivers don't have anywhere near the the amount of of human power thrown at them as Windows drivers, these are impressive results. Some Hackers need to turn their already over clocked cards into molten slag to squeeze an extra 5fps at 1600x1200 in max detail., It is also worth noting that Linux was running a number of default services including Web, FTP, security and file services while Windows XP on the other hand was post AXPOG, optimised and nary an unnecessary service to be seen. But the average difference of 5 fps is not necessarily a compelling reason to get a crash course in Linux just so you can squeeze a few extra fps out of Quake. But it certainly should make us wonder -what would be possible if NVIDIA invested as much effort into its Linux drivers as it clearly spends with its Windows line-up?? CPU benchmarks show clearly that Linux is more efficient, and this directly translates to frames in games- it can also be seen that the fps gap between the two platforms grow as the resolution increases: higher resolutions require more power: Though Quake 3 Arena is not representative of all games, benchmarks do show the potential of Linux as a gaming platform, capable of pumping the frames slightly higher than its commercial competitor. But it does not mean that much anymore. Windows lays claim to the title as the standard platform for gaming and there is no point reinventing the wheel. When games are released they are released for windows, because that is where the market is. -----Original Message----- From: Grahame Bowland [mailto:grahame at ucs.uwa.edu.au] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 4:20 PM To: plug at plug.linux.org.au Subject: RE: [plug] Loki no longer! :( On Fri, 2002-01-25 at 15:19, Theodor Gutmann wrote: > First the obvious question: are there any games for Linux?? > Yes!!..........lots. > Many are ports of popular Windows games such as the Quake series, > Civilisation: CTP, Myth, Soldier of fortune, Descent 3, Unreal > Tournament and Tribes 2 to name a few- and they install and run just > the same, if not better ( there are benchmarks scores available ). There > is but one problem with games under Linux- NOBODY BUYS THEM!. > > Whether it is because Linux geeks are short on cash, or they are so used > to open source philosophy that buying software is a major hurdle, who > knows, but Linux game company Loki filed for bankruptcy protection. Loki > was the crowning glory of games for Linux, consisting of a group of > talented programmers with a solid service to SELL - they'd port Windows > games to Linux in return for a share of the profits of the ported game. > All the game company needs to do is hand over the source to Loki and > then wait for the cash from the sales to roll in. > But the sales DID NOT roll in, Loki ran out of investment capital. I don't think it's any of this stuff. The fact is that: - most Linux people have access to a Windows box - it's so much easier to buy Windows games than Linux games - they're only ports of existing Windows games, without any special added features and with introduced bugs/the occasional missing feature - some of the games couldn't multiplayer with the Windows versions of themselve So when confronted with the choice of getting the easy-to-install, easy-to-buy Windows game or the Linux version that might not work completely, most people just opt for the easiest and buy Windows. You can't blame people for that. People want stuff to work, people don't (in general) care that Linux is free, open, good or right. And Loki's software wasn't an embodiment of those principals anyway. Perhaps Loki would have sold more games to Linux people if they'd actually developed cool new games - then this whole easier option wouldn't have existed. Given that RedHat x.x is so easy to find these days you might have found people installing it just to try the latest Loki demo CD. They had nothing to make people want to switch to Linux and buy their product, and their was no particular reason someone dual-booting would buy the Linux program. It might have been more sensible to be a consulting company at first, contracting to existing games houses who already have their own distribution channels. Given the price of pressing a CD, you might even have found a Windows and a Linux version in some boxes. Although perhaps that is wishful thinking. Have fun Grahame -- Grahame Bowland Email: grahame at ucs.uwa.edu.au University Communications Services Phone: +61 8 9380 1175 The University of Western Australia Fax: +61 8 9380 1109 CRICOS: 00126G From elvizdapelviz at hotmail.com Fri Jan 25 17:09:18 2002 From: elvizdapelviz at hotmail.com (ElViZ) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:09:18 +0800 Subject: [plug] Hi all, I'm new here and I thought I'd say hello (nt) References: <000f01c1a57e$f898a460$78cf3bcb@Braumeister> Message-ID: Why thankyuo ElViZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theodor Gutmann" To: Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 5:02 PM Subject: RE: [plug] Loki no longer! :( > The company that started the ball rolling, however was id. Before Loki > came along id gave the platform major credibility by releasing Linux > versions of the whole Quake series. With Quake 3 Arena the standard > benchmarking tool, this is an ideal opportunity to pay homage yo idand > compare the same game native to each platform. And it appears Linux has > quite a kick in it. > > Given that NVIDIA Linux drivers don't have anywhere near the the amount > of of human power thrown at them as Windows drivers, these are > impressive results. Some Hackers need to turn their already over clocked > cards into molten slag to squeeze an extra 5fps at 1600x1200 in max > detail., > It is also worth noting that Linux was running a number of default > services including Web, FTP, security and file services while Windows XP > on the other hand was post AXPOG, optimised and nary an unnecessary > service to be seen. > But the average difference of 5 fps is not necessarily a compelling > reason to get a crash course in Linux just so you can squeeze a few > extra fps out of Quake. But it certainly should make us wonder -what > would be possible if NVIDIA invested as much effort into its Linux > drivers as it clearly spends with its Windows line-up?? > > CPU benchmarks show clearly that Linux is more efficient, and this > directly translates to frames in games- it can also be seen that the fps > gap between the two platforms grow as the resolution increases: higher > resolutions require more power: Though Quake 3 Arena is not > representative of all games, benchmarks do show the potential of Linux > as a gaming platform, capable of pumping the frames slightly higher than > its commercial competitor. > > But it does not mean that much anymore. Windows lays claim to the title > as the standard platform for gaming and there is no point reinventing > the wheel. > > When games are released they are released for windows, because that is > where the market is. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Grahame Bowland [mailto:grahame at ucs.uwa.edu.au] > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 4:20 PM > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: RE: [plug] Loki no longer! :( > > On Fri, 2002-01-25 at 15:19, Theodor Gutmann wrote: > > First the obvious question: are there any games for Linux?? > > Yes!!..........lots. > > Many are ports of popular Windows games such as the Quake series, > > Civilisation: CTP, Myth, Soldier of fortune, Descent 3, Unreal > > Tournament and Tribes 2 to name a few- and they install and run just > > the same, if not better ( there are benchmarks scores available ). > There > > is but one problem with games under Linux- NOBODY BUYS THEM!. > > > > Whether it is because Linux geeks are short on cash, or they are so > used > > to open source philosophy that buying software is a major hurdle, who > > knows, but Linux game company Loki filed for bankruptcy protection. > Loki > > was the crowning glory of games for Linux, consisting of a group of > > talented programmers with a solid service to SELL - they'd port > Windows > > games to Linux in return for a share of the profits of the ported > game. > > All the game company needs to do is hand over the source to Loki and > > then wait for the cash from the sales to roll in. > > But the sales DID NOT roll in, Loki ran out of investment capital. > > I don't think it's any of this stuff. The fact is that: > - most Linux people have access to a Windows box > - it's so much easier to buy Windows games than Linux games > - they're only ports of existing Windows games, without any special > added features and with introduced bugs/the occasional missing > feature > - some of the games couldn't multiplayer with the Windows versions > of themselve > > So when confronted with the choice of getting the easy-to-install, > easy-to-buy Windows game or the Linux version that might not work > completely, most people just opt for the easiest and buy Windows. You > can't blame people for that. People want stuff to work, people don't (in > general) care that Linux is free, open, good or right. And Loki's > software wasn't an embodiment of those principals anyway. > > Perhaps Loki would have sold more games to Linux people if they'd > actually developed cool new games - then this whole easier option > wouldn't have existed. Given that RedHat x.x is so easy to find these > days you might have found people installing it just to try the latest > Loki demo CD. > > They had nothing to make people want to switch to Linux and buy their > product, and their was no particular reason someone dual-booting would > buy the Linux program. > > It might have been more sensible to be a consulting company at first, > contracting to existing games houses who already have their own > distribution channels. Given the price of pressing a CD, you might even > have found a Windows and a Linux version in some boxes. Although perhaps > that is wishful thinking. > > Have fun > Grahame > > -- > Grahame Bowland Email: grahame at ucs.uwa.edu.au > University Communications Services Phone: +61 8 9380 1175 > The University of Western Australia Fax: +61 8 9380 1109 > CRICOS: 00126G > > > From pete at akira.apana.org.au Fri Jan 25 17:33:34 2002 From: pete at akira.apana.org.au (Peter Wright) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:33:34 +0800 Subject: [plug] Loki no longer! :( In-Reply-To: <000f01c1a57e$f898a460$78cf3bcb@Braumeister> References: <1011946789.2726.34.camel@typhaon> <000f01c1a57e$f898a460$78cf3bcb@Braumeister> Message-ID: <20020125173334.B19777@chef.flooble.net.au> On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 05:02:09PM +0800, Theodor Gutmann wrote: > Given that NVIDIA Linux drivers don't have anywhere near the the amount > of of human power thrown at them as Windows drivers, these are I don't think that's actually true... I've always understood that the Nvidia drivers are one of the unfortunately rare cases where the codebase between Linux and Windows (and other platforms) is the same. [ ... ] > But it does not mean that much anymore. Windows lays claim to the title > as the standard platform for gaming and there is no point reinventing the > wheel. ...so there's no point using a platform other than Windows for gaming? Is that what you're saying? *cough* playstation *cough* nintendo *ahem* > When games are released they are released for windows, because that is > where the market is. Gee? Really? Wow, I'd never have guessed... :) (I presume that you're just referring to the PC gaming market though) Pete. -- http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/ A bug in the hand is better than one as yet undetected. From tgutmann at iinet.net.au Fri Jan 25 17:52:51 2002 From: tgutmann at iinet.net.au (Theodor Gutmann) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:52:51 +0800 Subject: [plug] Loki no longer! :( In-Reply-To: <20020125173334.B19777@chef.flooble.net.au> Message-ID: <001001c1a586$0e3b69e0$78cf3bcb@Braumeister> I infer you are missing the argument here.............:-(( -----Original Message----- From: Peter Wright [mailto:pete at akira.apana.org.au] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 5:34 PM To: plug at plug.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [plug] Loki no longer! :( On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 05:02:09PM +0800, Theodor Gutmann wrote: > Given that NVIDIA Linux drivers don't have anywhere near the the amount > of of human power thrown at them as Windows drivers, these are I don't think that's actually true... I've always understood that the Nvidia drivers are one of the unfortunately rare cases where the codebase between Linux and Windows (and other platforms) is the same. [ ... ] > But it does not mean that much anymore. Windows lays claim to the title > as the standard platform for gaming and there is no point reinventing the > wheel. ...so there's no point using a platform other than Windows for gaming? Is that what you're saying? *cough* playstation *cough* nintendo *ahem* > When games are released they are released for windows, because that is > where the market is. Gee? Really? Wow, I'd never have guessed... :) (I presume that you're just referring to the PC gaming market though) Pete. -- http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/ A bug in the hand is better than one as yet undetected. From ryan at prodigital.net.au Fri Jan 25 19:37:57 2002 From: ryan at prodigital.net.au (Ryan) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:37:57 +0800 Subject: [plug] On-line Kernel Compilation Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020125184624.009fe4d0@10.10.10.1> I have been idly toying around with the idea of making an on-line kernel compilation service for people with no clue, no CPU power, or no patience. It is very do-able, especially for Debian with make-kpkg. Yes, there are lots of security and scheduling issues, they are all sorted on a conceptual level. I am not for one minute suggesting it is easy, or that I am an authority in this area, but given time (something I'm very short of) I could knock together a working system. The hardest part that I see is parsing the config.in and defconfig files into a more workable and dynamic structure. Maybe there is already a Perl module to parse it into a nested hash, I haven't looked yet :) As a really basic overview of the on-line side, it would present a 'make menuconfig'-esk interace and let you submit it into some scheduling mechanism for compilation. Once finished or failed, an email notification is sent and the package gets stored for retrieval by the requester. Maybe some generic pre-compiled configurations could be offered too. I was just intending it as a 'side-line project', but if anyone can see some benefit in it and wants to turn it into a 'group side-line project' and possibly 'sourceforge' it or 'plugforge (tm)' it, shout out. Any thoughts on this subject? Has this already been done and I can't find it for my searching? Ryan From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Fri Jan 25 20:01:44 2002 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:01:44 +0000 Subject: [plug] On-line Kernel Compilation In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020125184624.009fe4d0@10.10.10.1> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020125115516.009cba30@decisions-and-designs.com.au> At 11:37 25/01/02 , you wrote: >I have been idly toying around with the idea of making an on-line kernel >compilation service for people with no clue, no CPU power, or no patience. >Any thoughts on this subject? Has this already been done and I can't find >it for my searching? > >Ryan Hi Ryan Might be worth talking to James B. in his package maintainer role. He has described submitting a package for compilation where he can't possibly maintain physical machines for every processor type. It may be that this mechanism (or parts of it) may be applicable to the project. Yours might be a smart (or more verbose [read: more newbie instructive]) interface that submits to remote machines in a similar way and collects the compiled binaries. Havachat. Come to UCC on Monday night (and see the LCA2003 video too ;-) All the best Harry From wootenaa at hotmail.com Fri Jan 25 21:28:36 2002 From: wootenaa at hotmail.com (Aaron Wooten) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:28:36 +0800 Subject: [plug] 386 Ram Message-ID: Yeah my old crap 386s only have 4 slots too. I had a look in the quokka with no luck :( does anyone perhaps have 4 old 2mb sticks as that might work, but who knows what will work in this ancient machine Thanks Aaron >From: "Andrew Pamment" >Reply-To: plug at plug.linux.org.au >To: >Subject: Re: [plug] 386 Ram >Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:20:40 +0800 > >I dont reckon you'll have 16 30 pin simm slots in your machinee... > >look in the quokka for 4mb ones, they hard to find tho.. > >how many slots does it have? my old 386 only had umm 4 which is crap, i >reckon most have 8. > >Andrew > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Flipper" >To: >Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 11:09 AM >Subject: Re: [plug] 386 Ram > > > > G'day > > > > > I have stumbled across 2 old 386s and as I couldnt do much with them > > > I decided to make one a freesco router but it only has somthing like > > > 500KB of Ram!! and Freesco requires 8mb I think. It also uses some >weird > > > kind of ram that makes my other Simms look like giants. > > > If anyones got any somwhere :) , I wouldnt mind buying 16mb . > > > > I've got some old 30 pin SIMMS that I believe came from 386's + 486's > > either 4 or 8 MBs in 1MB SIMMs (70ns FastPage) > > Is this what you are looking for? > > > > Cheers > > David > > > > ICQ# 44087795 > > Perth, Australia > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > Sign up for ICQmail at http://www.icq.com/icqmail/signup.html > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ryan at prodigital.net.au Fri Jan 25 21:49:32 2002 From: ryan at prodigital.net.au (Ryan) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:49:32 +0800 Subject: [plug] 386 Ram In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020125214047.00a00de0@10.10.10.1> >Yeah my old crap 386s only have 4 slots too. >I had a look in the quokka with no luck :( >does anyone perhaps have 4 old 2mb sticks as that might work, but who >knows what will work in this ancient machine I'll dig around next week for you, I have a heap of 30 pin simms at work and elsewhere, mostly 1 meg, but there may be bigger ones in amongst it all. Ryan From ryan at prodigital.net.au Fri Jan 25 22:01:26 2002 From: ryan at prodigital.net.au (Ryan) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:01:26 +0800 Subject: [plug] On-line Kernel Compilation In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020125115516.009cba30@decisions-and-designs.com .au> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020125184624.009fe4d0@10.10.10.1> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020125211510.00a33b90@10.10.10.1> >Might be worth talking to James B. in his package maintainer role. He has >described submitting a package for compilation where he can't possibly >maintain physical machines for every processor type. It may be that this >mechanism (or parts of it) may be applicable to the project. > >Yours might be a smart (or more verbose [read: more newbie instructive]) >interface that submits to remote machines in a similar way and collects >the compiled binaries. Interesting ... definitely a possibility. I was thinking purely web server based rather than constructing my own client/server deal (even though this is quite easy to do in Perl) this way there is less limitation on accessibility to the service, it would even work in lynx! :) Thus the 'hardest part' i mentioned being to translate the config.in file to some HTML form representation and then back to a defconfig format. What you suggested could save all this hassle, but would require at the very least some curses based interface on the client side .. along with a lot of other communication considerations. Though I must admit a dedicated client/server protocol model would be rather kinky, I was not intending for the client side of things to have any out of the ordinary dependencies or requirements that would inevitably occur with such a solution. Ideally the service should be available to people who have just installed base and got their modem working right through to people running X and also Windows/MAC users. >Havachat. Come to UCC on Monday night (and see the LCA2003 video too ;-) I don't think I'm playing cricket Monday, see you there :) Ryan From wootenaa at hotmail.com Fri Jan 25 22:08:50 2002 From: wootenaa at hotmail.com (Aaron Wooten) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:08:50 +0800 Subject: [plug] 386 Ram Message-ID: Thanks alot mate I appreciate it Aaron >From: Ryan >Reply-To: plug at plug.linux.org.au >To: plug at plug.linux.org.au >Subject: Re: [plug] 386 Ram >Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:49:32 +0800 > > >>Yeah my old crap 386s only have 4 slots too. >>I had a look in the quokka with no luck :( >>does anyone perhaps have 4 old 2mb sticks as that might work, but who >>knows what will work in this ancient machine > >I'll dig around next week for you, I have a heap of 30 pin simms at work >and elsewhere, mostly 1 meg, but there may be bigger ones in amongst it >all. > >Ryan > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From evanlau at tartarus.uwa.edu.au Fri Jan 25 23:12:21 2002 From: evanlau at tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Evan Lau) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:12:21 +0800 Subject: [plug] CCNP BCMSN exam References: <003901c1972d$afd85f40$0a00a8c0@infotech1> <20020109063307.GA7753@geek.localnet> Message-ID: <005101c1a5b2$b4d4ef20$f0f30fcb@p3500> Hi everybody, Just wondered if anybody here did the CCNP BCMSN (multilayer switching) exam 640-504 lately....and if so, what did they think of it? What kind of questions were involved....general useful conceptual stuff or useless specific stuff (eg. what SAINT does)?....a lot of command line questions? Also, if you go to http://www.mcmcse.com/testing/index.php and select the 640-504 exam and look at the questions, does this accurately depict what kind of questions and what sort of topics are in the exam? Or is it outdated or irrelevent? Lastly, any recommendations on good preparation books (for all parts of CCNP)? What is your opinion of the Preparation Library and Certification Library by Cisco itself? Thanks in advanced for any help. I hope the answers I'm seeking don't violate any of the explicit (or implicit) agreements you had to sign when taking the test. Cheers, Evan PS How much is each of the CCNP exams? Anybody take the huge combined one? From pete at akira.apana.org.au Sat Jan 26 00:22:21 2002 From: pete at akira.apana.org.au (Peter Wright) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 00:22:21 +0800 Subject: [plug] Loki no longer! :( In-Reply-To: <001001c1a586$0e3b69e0$78cf3bcb@Braumeister> References: <20020125173334.B19777@chef.flooble.net.au> <001001c1a586$0e3b69e0$78cf3bcb@Braumeister> Message-ID: <20020126002220.A21690@chef.flooble.net.au> Hi Theodor, On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 05:52:51PM +0800, Theodor Gutmann wrote: > I infer you are missing the argument here.............:-(( Well, I did sort of drag the argument off in a different direction, but I'm not meaning to be obtuse. My apologies if you felt my response was unnecessarily argumentative. I just like to encourage people to think a little bit more about the things they read (and write ;), and there were a few things that you mentioned that deserve a bit more thought - especially in a thread like this. Most notably: > > Windows lays claim to the title as the standard platform for gaming > > and there is no point reinventing the wheel. This is really the sentence that got my attention. It's the casual use of the word "standard" - which is a risky word because it carries a lot of almost subliminal suggestions along with it[0] - that put me off a bit. Also the part about "there is no point reinventing the wheel" was rather, um, weird. I didn't really understand what you meant by that in the context - it just didn't seem to make sense, but it _felt_ like you were advocating some variant of the "there's no hope, just give up" line. If I've misunderstood, please feel free to clarify. Thanks, Pete. [0] ...mostly the implication that Standard => Good or Standard => Official or Standard => you just _should_ use it because dammit, it's a standard! ;-) Stick the (justifiable) qualifier "defacto" in front of it and it's a lot less annoying/offputting. -- http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/ A computer without COBOL and Fortran is like a piece of chocolate cake without ketchup and mustard. From andrew at mmtnetworks.com.au Sun Jan 27 03:41:27 2002 From: andrew at mmtnetworks.com.au (Andrew Barbara) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 03:41:27 +0800 Subject: [plug] PPPD Message-ID: Hi, is there a way to dial a connection with pppd as a non privliged user, im getting the following error... /usr/sbin/pppd: must be root to run /usr/sbin/pppd, since it is not setuid-root Thanks. From jacqueline at decisions-and-designs.com.au Sat Jan 26 11:20:45 2002 From: jacqueline at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Jacqueline McNally) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:20:45 +0800 Subject: [plug] printer to get colour to my In-Reply-To: <19960101070332.A1313@darkstar.frop.org> References: <20020124143019.C42517AB4@spark.plug.linux.org.au> <20020124143019.C42517AB4@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020126111442.00b29920@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Hi David Have a look at the information on: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-DeskJet_640C This provides general information about your printer wrt drivers. Regards Jacqueline At 07:03 AM 01/01/1996, you wrote: >can some one help me to get colour on my printer is deskjet 640c > >it print black & white at this time. i want colour now. > >david budridge say to me i have to download some think off the internet > >can someone help me please. > >i have to find it. FROM DAVIDAT From paul at canningcollege.wa.edu.au Sat Jan 26 12:00:52 2002 From: paul at canningcollege.wa.edu.au (Paul Dean) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:00:52 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] PPPD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 27 Jan 2002, Andrew Barbara wrote: > Hi, > is there a way to dial a connection with pppd as a non privliged user, im getting the following error... > > /usr/sbin/pppd: must be root to run /usr/sbin/pppd, since it is not setuid-root > > Thanks. > In '/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ppp0' file set the parameter 'USERCTL=yes' this will allow users to run the ppp connection. Or run 'control-panel' and cofigure your ppp device and connection from in the gui app. -- Paul... /***** Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again. -- Franklin P. Jones *****/ /*****All programmers are playwrights and all computers are lousy actors. -- Unknown*****/ /* How smart are Computers? They seem to need instructions all the time... -- Me */ From andrew at mmtnetworks.com.au Sun Jan 27 05:20:37 2002 From: andrew at mmtnetworks.com.au (Andrew Barbara) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 05:20:37 +0800 Subject: [plug] PPPD Message-ID: I am using the following script... /usr/sbin/pppd connect '/usr/sbin/chat -vf /etc/ppp/56k.Chat' 57600 /dev/ttyS1 modem crtscts defaultroute user (USERNAME) Is there a way to do it in a script like this? >>> paul at canningcollege.wa.edu.au 01/26/02 12:43 PM >>> On Sun, 27 Jan 2002, Andrew Barbara wrote: > Hi, > is there a way to dial a connection with pppd as a non privliged user, im getting the following error... > > /usr/sbin/pppd: must be root to run /usr/sbin/pppd, since it is not setuid-root > > Thanks. > In '/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ppp0' file set the parameter 'USERCTL=yes' this will allow users to run the ppp connection. Or run 'control-panel' and cofigure your ppp device and connection from in the gui app. -- Paul... /***** Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again. -- Franklin P. Jones *****/ /*****All programmers are playwrights and all computers are lousy actors. -- Unknown*****/ /* How smart are Computers? They seem to need instructions all the time... -- Me */ From paul at canningcollege.wa.edu.au Sat Jan 26 17:26:19 2002 From: paul at canningcollege.wa.edu.au (Paul Dean) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:26:19 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] PPPD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 27 Jan 2002, Andrew Barbara wrote: > I am using the following script... > > /usr/sbin/pppd connect '/usr/sbin/chat -vf /etc/ppp/56k.Chat' 57600 /dev/ttyS1 modem crtscts defaultroute user (USERNAME) > Unless you change the permissions(which is not recommended), no you can't. You should write a script that runs 'ifup ppp0' with the users details in 'chat-ppp0', and for each user on the system write a new 'ifcfg-ppp#' and 'chat-ppp#', where '#' is a number for each users script. I think you will find this is the best solution for you, if you want to go down that path. > Is there a way to do it in a script like this? > > >>> paul at canningcollege.wa.edu.au 01/26/02 12:43 PM >>> > On Sun, 27 Jan 2002, Andrew Barbara wrote: > > > Hi, > > is there a way to dial a connection with pppd as a non privliged user, im getting the following error... > > > > /usr/sbin/pppd: must be root to run /usr/sbin/pppd, since it is not setuid-root > > > > Thanks. > > > In '/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ppp0' file set the parameter > 'USERCTL=yes' this will allow users to run the ppp connection. > Or run 'control-panel' and cofigure your ppp device and connection from > in the gui app. > > -- Paul... /***** Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again. -- Franklin P. Jones *****/ /*****All programmers are playwrights and all computers are lousy actors. -- Unknown*****/ /* How smart are Computers? They seem to need instructions all the time... -- Me */ From wootenaa at hotmail.com Sat Jan 26 20:51:47 2002 From: wootenaa at hotmail.com (Aaron Wooten) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:51:47 +0800 Subject: [plug] Raid Card Message-ID: Hi All I was interested in getting a good Hardware ide raid card mainly for striping 2 20gb hard drives, as I do a bit of video editing can anyone recommend a good card , where they got it and the price. Also would I suffer from performence issues if I get a software raid card are these compatible with linux ? I have a Duron 950 with 256mb ram Cheers Aaron _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From apamment at yahoo.com Sat Jan 26 21:43:05 2002 From: apamment at yahoo.com (Andrew Pamment) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:43:05 +0800 Subject: [plug] Raid Card References: Message-ID: <001501c1a66f$62debdf0$ae5b8ec6@abbey> just a question.. no help at all to this guy.. but i thought software raid meant you didnt need a card? do i need enlightenment? Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Wooten" To: Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 8:51 PM Subject: [plug] Raid Card > Hi All > I was interested in getting a good Hardware ide raid card > mainly for striping 2 20gb hard drives, as I do a bit of video editing > can anyone recommend a good card , where they got it and the price. > Also would I suffer from performence issues if I get a software raid card > are these compatible with linux ? I have a Duron 950 with 256mb ram > > Cheers > > > Aaron > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From myk at golden.wattle.id.au Sat Jan 26 21:49:11 2002 From: myk at golden.wattle.id.au (Mike Holland) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:49:11 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] OT RTFM In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20020125090105.020be908@192.168.1.1> Message-ID: On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Christian M?ller wrote: > tiltle to be a little bit less offensive as such. I apologise for that. Please dont apologise! I find, Brets, abuse of, English grammar, far more offensive, than, any fucking expletives. > >As a person that, from time to time, recommends the list, the abuse of the > >language, is a discouragement to recommend the list, and, an encouragement > >for some, whose presence is needed, to leave the list. -- All things are possible, except for skiing through a revolving door. From wootenaa at hotmail.com Sat Jan 26 21:49:00 2002 From: wootenaa at hotmail.com (Aaron Wooten) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:49:00 +0800 Subject: [plug] Raid Card Message-ID: Sorry, my mistake , by software raid I meant the card that uses your processor, . Aaron >From: "Andrew Pamment" >Reply-To: plug at plug.linux.org.au >To: >Subject: Re: [plug] Raid Card >Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:43:05 +0800 > >just a question.. no help at all to this guy.. but i thought software raid >meant you didnt need a card? do i need enlightenment? > >Andrew > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Aaron Wooten" >To: >Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 8:51 PM >Subject: [plug] Raid Card > > > > Hi All > > I was interested in getting a good Hardware ide raid card > > mainly for striping 2 20gb hard drives, as I do a bit of video editing > > can anyone recommend a good card , where they got it and the price. > > Also would I suffer from performence issues if I get a software raid >card > > are these compatible with linux ? I have a Duron 950 with 256mb ram > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Aaron > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From elvizdapelviz at hotmail.com Sun Jan 27 01:49:39 2002 From: elvizdapelviz at hotmail.com (ElViZ) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 01:49:39 +0800 Subject: [plug] home network howto Message-ID: I'm trying to connect my mandrake box to my w2k box for file sharing and int connection sharing (adsl) using 2 nics and a crossover cable, Is anyone aware of a 'how to' that deals with this? I'm a linux noob so it would have to be faily dumbed down. thanks ElViZ From apamment at yahoo.com Sun Jan 27 07:38:35 2002 From: apamment at yahoo.com (Andrew Pamment) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 07:38:35 +0800 Subject: [plug] home network howto References: Message-ID: <002501c1a6c2$933588f0$584f8ec6@abbey> Hey... you wanna do three things? 1) Network them 2) Get file sharing going 3) Share the net.. 1) Linux-Networking-HOWTO http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Net-HOWTO/index.html 2) (few ways to do this - I suggest Samba) SMB Howto http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/SMB-HOWTO.html 3) Linux IP Masquerading Howto http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html The last one is proberly the most difficult to get your head around.. make SURE you're using a decent firewall. If you're using 2.4 kernels checkout Monmotha's script for easy masquerading and firewalls (you can look that up yourself.. its on freshmeat) If ya need any more help, ask nicely and if you live near a bus station I'll give ya a hand. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "ElViZ" To: Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 1:49 AM Subject: [plug] home network howto > I'm trying to connect my mandrake box to my w2k box for file sharing and int > connection sharing (adsl) using 2 nics and a crossover cable, Is anyone > aware of a 'how to' that deals with this? I'm a linux noob so it would have > to be faily dumbed down. > thanks > ElViZ From locutus at borg.apana.org.au Sun Jan 27 10:44:24 2002 From: locutus at borg.apana.org.au (John Breen) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:44:24 +0800 Subject: [plug] Ximian GNOME on woody Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020127104219.00b59ea0@mail> Hey, has anyone succesfully managed to get Ximian GNOME to install on woody? I get errors about not being able to find a file in the right place and it just won't install one of its packages. I've tried forcing the install of the package but it still won't go. Anyone seen this? Know a way around it? Cheers, John Breen -------------- next part -------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.314 / Virus Database: 175 - Release Date: 11/01/2002 From elvizdapelviz at hotmail.com Sun Jan 27 11:32:30 2002 From: elvizdapelviz at hotmail.com (ElViZ) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:32:30 +0800 Subject: [plug] home network howto References: <002501c1a6c2$933588f0$584f8ec6@abbey> Message-ID: Thanks guys...will do some reading Why thankyuo ElViZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Pamment" To: Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [plug] home network howto > Hey... > > you wanna do three things? > > 1) Network them > 2) Get file sharing going > 3) Share the net.. > > 1) Linux-Networking-HOWTO http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Net-HOWTO/index.html > > 2) (few ways to do this - I suggest Samba) SMB Howto > http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/SMB-HOWTO.html > > 3) Linux IP Masquerading Howto > http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html > > > The last one is proberly the most difficult to get your head around.. make > SURE you're using a decent firewall. If you're using 2.4 kernels checkout > Monmotha's script for easy masquerading and firewalls (you can look that up > yourself.. its on freshmeat) > > If ya need any more help, ask nicely and if you live near a bus station I'll > give ya a hand. > > Andrew > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ElViZ" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 1:49 AM > Subject: [plug] home network howto > > > > I'm trying to connect my mandrake box to my w2k box for file sharing and > int > > connection sharing (adsl) using 2 nics and a crossover cable, Is anyone > > aware of a 'how to' that deals with this? I'm a linux noob so it would > have > > to be faily dumbed down. > > thanks > > ElViZ > > From anne at busby.net Sun Jan 27 15:18:25 2002 From: anne at busby.net (Anne Busby) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:18:25 +0800 (W. Australia Standard Time) Subject: [plug] debian - bootup problem Message-ID: Hi all, I have a debian machine that when it boots - all looks ok and login prompts appear, but when I try to login this message appears "System bootup in progress - please wait". I can login as root, but not as a user. The box has been up for 3.5 hrs and the messages is still appearing. The last change was installing postgresql 7.1 from deb packages (using dpkg). Any ideas of where to look to find out what is happening ??? Thanks, Anne Busby E-Mail: mailto:anne at busby.net Web: http://www.busby.net From bernard at blackham.com.au Sun Jan 27 15:11:20 2002 From: bernard at blackham.com.au (Bernard) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:11:20 +0800 Subject: [plug] debian - bootup problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020127151120.A26884@bernard.home> On Sun, Jan 27, 2002 at 03:18:25PM +0800, Anne Busby wrote: > I have a debian machine that when it boots - all looks ok and > login prompts appear, but > when I try to login this message appears "System bootup in progress - > please wait". I can login as root, but not as a user. The box has been up > for 3.5 hrs and the messages is still appearing. > > The last change was installing postgresql 7.1 from deb packages (using > dpkg). > > Any ideas of where to look to find out what is happening ??? I can say it's probably a file called /etc/nologin that's preventing you from logging in. Given that the machine has booted up you can safely delete the file, but as to why the file was put there I can't offer any insight into. Try deleting this file and rebooting, and if it comes back and the same thing happens then something is probably dodgy about the postgresql installation or startup script. HTH, Bernard. -- Bernard Blackham bernard at blackham.com.au From solhanna at dingoblue.net.au Sun Jan 27 15:40:34 2002 From: solhanna at dingoblue.net.au (Sol) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:40:34 +0800 Subject: [plug] Ximian GNOME on woody In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020127104219.00b59ea0@mail> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020127104219.00b59ea0@mail> Message-ID: <02012715403400.09410@tesla> On Thu, 1 Jan 1970 08:00, John Breen wrote: > Hey, has anyone succesfully managed to get Ximian GNOME to install on > woody? Ximian is supported on Woody yet so you're no doubt coming up with the various conflicts that arise from upgrading whilst keeping the Potato optimized version of Ximian. I just upgraded to Woody to days ago myself being quite aware that Ximian wouldn't work quite right. Mostly it worked, but there were applications that wouldn't launch, etc. > > I get errors about not being able to find a file in the right place and it > just won't install one of its packages. I've tried forcing the install of > the package but it still won't go. Anyone seen this? Know a way aroun > d it? Sorry, but no. When I saw that the full KDE package was supported in the UWA ftp tree, I thought to myself,"I wonder where KDE is up to?" Without wanting to offend any of the GNOME faithful, I have to say that KDE 2.2.x is AMAZING!!! Easy install, exceptionally flexible, simple and intelligent configuration options, excellent documentation. Without a doubt in my mind, the best desktop GUI available is free and its called KDE. Regards, Sol From gilksjm at iinet.net.au Sun Jan 27 16:59:25 2002 From: gilksjm at iinet.net.au (J Michael Gilks) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:59:25 +0800 Subject: [plug] New screen Message-ID: <20020127085706.480478A86@spark.plug.linux.org.au> I am about to delve into the black arts and change the monitor on my Linux desktop. I know you generally have to offer your firstborn child to Satan to make this work, but I was hoping for an easier option. Girlfriends get so upset so easily. In /etc/X11/ I have 2 files XF86Config and XF86Config-4 . If I back these up to a new name before starting and everything dies I should be able to restore my settings by restoring these files. Is this a correct assumption or should I get out the ram skull and sacrifice altar. Help me I am scared. Love Mike. From anne at busby.net Sun Jan 27 17:14:02 2002 From: anne at busby.net (Anne Busby) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:14:02 +0800 (W. Australia Standard Time) Subject: [plug] nologin files was : debian - bootup problem In-Reply-To: <20020127151120.A26884@bernard.home> Message-ID: On Sun, 27 Jan 2002, Bernard wrote: Hi all, What creates a nologin file ? I moved all the scripts from my rc2.d dir and it still appears. How do I track down what is causing the problem? Anne Busby From pete at akira.apana.org.au Sun Jan 27 18:40:49 2002 From: pete at akira.apana.org.au (Peter Wright) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:40:49 +0800 Subject: [plug] New screen In-Reply-To: <20020127085706.480478A86@spark.plug.linux.org.au> References: <20020127085706.480478A86@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Message-ID: <20020127184049.A5468@chef.flooble.net.au> On Sun, Jan 27, 2002 at 04:59:25PM +0800, J Michael Gilks wrote: > I am about to delve into the black arts and change the monitor on my > Linux desktop. Just changing the _monitor_?? That's it? > I know you generally have to offer your firstborn child to Satan to make > this work, but I was hoping for an easier option. I think the firstborn child offering _is_ the easier option. > Girlfriends get so upset so easily. No sense of priorities, hey? :) > In /etc/X11/ I have 2 files XF86Config and XF86Config-4 . If I back these > up to a new name before starting and everything dies I should be able to > restore my settings by restoring these files. Well, yes. But if you're just using a different monitor and you're not changing anything else, then there should be no problems. Detach old monitor, attach new monitor, everything fine. Have I missed something? > Is this a correct assumption or should I get out the ram skull and > sacrifice altar. Well, I'd suggest you get those out anyway, just to be extra safe. > Help me I am scared. :) The only thing that might affect you when you change a monitor is if the "new" monitor is not able to perform at the same resolution/refresh rate of the "old" monitor. Which just means you'll need to change your default resolution to something that works on the "new" monitor. But you shouldn't need to worry too much about doing that. The days where you could make a monitor burst into flames by giving it a resolution it couldn't handle are pretty much gone. Well, almost. > Love > Mike. On a related note, did I mention that a guy at an old workplace of mine (back in late 1997) managed to destroy not one but TWO Alpha CPUs (not the video card, not the monitor, the CPU) by trying to set an invalid video resolution? Cool, hey? ;-)) Pete. -- http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/ At first sight, the idea of any rules or principles being superimposed on the creative mind seems more likely to hinder than to help, but this is quite untrue in practice. Disciplined thinking focuses inspiration rather than blinkers it. -- G.L. Glegg, "The Design of Design" From myk at golden.wattle.id.au Sun Jan 27 18:47:17 2002 From: myk at golden.wattle.id.au (Mike Holland) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:47:17 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] nologin files was : debian - bootup problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 27 Jan 2002, Anne Busby wrote: > On Sun, 27 Jan 2002, Bernard wrote: wrote what? > What creates a nologin file ? See the man page nologin(5). It referes you to login(1), shutdown(8): ... If shutdown is called with a delay, it creates the advi? sory file /etc/nologin which causes programs such as login(1) to not allow new user logins. Shutdown only -- All things are possible, except for skiing through a revolving door. From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Sun Jan 27 18:58:15 2002 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:58:15 +0000 Subject: [plug] New screen In-Reply-To: <20020127085706.480478A86@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020127103119.009c76d0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> At 08:59 27/01/02 , Mike wrote: >I am about to delve into the black arts and change the monitor on my Linux >desktop. >Help me I am scared. Fear not, yon Mike, there is no Secret Linux Business :) Indeed your surmising doth ring true. XF86Config I believe is for XFree86 version 3 whereas, if you now have XF86Config-4 then it looks like you've got Xfree86 version 4 running. Probably the -4 file is the one that is currently being used. Tho' your wisdom belies your years .. a copy of both voids future tears. Have a look at: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/XFree86-HOWTO/index.html and http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/XFree86-Video-Timings-HOWTO/index.html The linuxdoc claims this is for version 4 and, if you are tweaking things for the monitor then the Video-Timing-HOWTO is likely the most appropriate read. Don't believe the "you will blow up your monitor" warnings. Most modern multisync monitors won't be toasted if you get it a bit wrong. Good luck. Ask more if needed. Harry From myk at golden.wattle.id.au Sun Jan 27 18:52:31 2002 From: myk at golden.wattle.id.au (Mike Holland) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:52:31 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] New screen In-Reply-To: <20020127085706.480478A86@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Message-ID: On Sun, 27 Jan 2002, J Michael Gilks wrote: > I am about to delve into the black arts and change the monitor on my Linux Ha! Thats easy. Maybe you are thinking of changing your video card? > In /etc/X11/ I have 2 files XF86Config and XF86Config-4 . If I back these up > to a new name before starting and everything dies I should be able to restore Of course, you should have regular backups of everything in /etc anyway. But yes, one of those is the relevant file, depending on which X server you use. But you dont need to change anything, just plug in your new monitor, Assuming its new, it should accept all your old modes. If you want to add new modes, to get less flicker, or more pixels, I suggest editing the XF86Config file by hand. It may not be quicker, but you will learn something. Its well documented. good luck. -- All things are possible, except for skiing through a revolving door. From wayne.vovil at ausi.com Sun Jan 27 19:22:13 2002 From: wayne.vovil at ausi.com (Wayne Vovil) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 03:22:13 -0800 Subject: [plug] postgresql Message-ID: <200201271122.g0RBMDM26828@mail2.bigmailbox.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From ryan at prodigital.net.au Sun Jan 27 19:49:36 2002 From: ryan at prodigital.net.au (Ryan) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:49:36 +0800 Subject: [plug] postgresql In-Reply-To: <200201271122.g0RBMDM26828@mail2.bigmailbox.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020127193149.00a2e6d0@10.10.10.1> >I installed SuSE 7.3 Prof; but I noticed that postgresql was not >installed, so I did an update install of it (Yast2). When I like at the >installed packages, it's there; but I can't seem to execute it, and it >doesn't appear in any KDE menus. By itself it doesn't do anything visual, it just serves. You need to install postgresql-client to obtain utilities such as the interactive SQL terminal 'psql'. There are also some GUI clients that I don't use and therefore can't remind you of their names. psql probably won't show up in any menus either, it's an interactive command line tool. Maybe it is already installed? http://www.au.postgresql.org/users-lounge/docs/7.1/admin/ <- That takes you through a very in-depth compilation and installation procedure, of which most you have probably had done for you if you installed it from binary. Still relevant though for setting up user accounts and access permissions etc. Lots more to say, but the postgresql website above is probably to best place to point you so you don't miss anything. Ryan From wayne.vovil at ausi.com Sun Jan 27 20:30:26 2002 From: wayne.vovil at ausi.com (Wayne Vovil) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 04:30:26 -0800 Subject: [plug] postgresql Message-ID: <200201271230.g0RCUQF20506@mail2.bigmailbox.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From ryan at prodigital.net.au Sun Jan 27 20:37:51 2002 From: ryan at prodigital.net.au (Ryan) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:37:51 +0800 Subject: [plug] postgresql In-Reply-To: <200201271230.g0RCUQF20506@mail2.bigmailbox.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020127203551.00a30ec0@10.10.10.1> >Thanks, I try that. I was expecting something like Oracle or DB2 UDB. I >would like to have somekind of gui interface. Anyone any suggestions (I >recall something called "knoda")? gtksql is one that I can now remember, or you can track down pgadmin. Ryan From gilksjm at iinet.net.au Sun Jan 27 20:43:40 2002 From: gilksjm at iinet.net.au (J Michael Gilks) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:43:40 +0800 Subject: [plug] New screen In-Reply-To: <20020127085706.480478A86@spark.plug.linux.org.au> References: <20020127085706.480478A86@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Message-ID: <20020127124116.6D2E58AA1@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Well you were all right, although I am sure Little Sally will enjoy staying with Uncle Satan anyway, and as an added bonus I didn't have to learn a thing. The new disolay is very nice, but loading of applications seems to have slowed down a lot. Will keep chipping away at the problems. A prediction: One day a computer will work how I want it to, for more than 30 secnds On Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:59, J Michael Gilks wrote: > I am about to delve into the black arts and change the monitor on my Linux > desktop. I know you generally have to offer your firstborn child to Satan > to make this work, but I was hoping for an easier option. Girlfriends get > so upset so easily. > In /etc/X11/ I have 2 files XF86Config and XF86Config-4 . If I back these > up to a new name before starting and everything dies I should be able to > restore my settings by restoring these files. Is this a correct assumption > or should I get out the ram skull and sacrifice altar. > Help me I am scared. > Love > Mike. From solhanna at dingoblue.net.au Sun Jan 27 20:42:21 2002 From: solhanna at dingoblue.net.au (Sol) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:42:21 +0800 Subject: [plug] UCC meeting Message-ID: <02012720422100.09512@tesla> At long lost the UCC meeting falls on a public holiday meaning I can come along. Because I have never been to a UCC meeting I was wondering a couple of things: Can I fork out my subs on the night and become a bone fide PLUGger? I'd like to bring my 'puter along but was wondering whether I should just bring the box with leads (are there any monitors available?) or should I bring the whole kit'n'kaboodle? I'd like some tips on moving up to a 2.4.x kernel on Debian Woody, something I fouled up drastically when I tried to do it myself, and dare not do again without supervision. Is this doable? Ta, Sol From bret at busby.net Sun Jan 27 21:55:37 2002 From: bret at busby.net (Bret Busby) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:55:37 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] postgresql In-Reply-To: <200201271230.g0RCUQF20506@mail2.bigmailbox.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 27 Jan 2002, Wayne Vovil wrote: > > Thanks, I try that. I was expecting something like Oracle or DB2 UDB. I would like to have somekind of gui interface. Anyone any suggestions (I recall something called "knoda")? > > wayne > > Have you tried pgaccess? It has a similar interface to MS Access. -- Bret Busby .............. From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Sun Jan 27 22:23:59 2002 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:23:59 +0000 Subject: [plug] UCC meeting In-Reply-To: <02012720422100.09512@tesla> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020127141315.009c2cf0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> At 12:42 27/01/02 , you wrote: >At long lost the UCC meeting falls on a public holiday meaning I can come >along. Because I have never been to a UCC meeting I was wondering a couple of >things: > >Can I fork out my subs on the night and become a bone fide PLUGger? Yep. I think see Tony B-T and demand the obligatory forehead tattoo :) .. kidding .. but see Tony anyway. >I'd like to bring my 'puter along but was wondering whether I should just >bring the box with leads (are there any monitors available?) There are monitors there and I've been offered and used one before rather than drag mine up three flights of stairs. Jeez these PLUGers make you work for your upgrades .. > or should I >bring the whole kit'n'kaboodle? I'd like some tips on moving up to a 2.4.x >kernel on Debian Woody, something I fouled up drastically when I tried to do >it myself, and dare not do again without supervision. Is this doable? Tony's yer man .. if you can drag him away from setting up my take-home woody mirror :) There should be Nick's and James' and other notables with the doable knowables. Be early, it can take a while (166MHz .. i know). ALSO .. Is anyone going past Mt Hawthorn ? I recall Andrew could come if he could cadge a lift. Please let him know if you can assist. cu Harry From solhanna at dingoblue.net.au Sun Jan 27 22:18:03 2002 From: solhanna at dingoblue.net.au (Sol) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:18:03 +0800 Subject: [plug] Re: UCC meeting In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020127141315.009c2cf0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> References: <4.2.0.58.20020127141315.009c2cf0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <02012722180301.10758@tesla> > ALSO .. Is anyone going past Mt Hawthorn ? I recall Andrew > could come if he could cadge a lift. Please let him > know if you can assist. I don't mind picking (and dropping him home too!) up Andrew if he doesn't mind helping me lug some of my gear up three flights of steps - and riding in my Suzuki Hatch. Could Andrew get in touch with me to supply address if he wants a lift? cheers, Sol PS: Note for Daniel, Harry or whoever: I did contact my librarian friend re: LISWA acquisition policy etc, but he's on holidays and not feeling too diligent right now. However, he is interested and will hunt down some info next week when he returns to work. Or so he tells me..... > > cu > Harry From wootenaa at hotmail.com Mon Jan 28 01:18:41 2002 From: wootenaa at hotmail.com (Aaron Wooten) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:18:41 +0800 Subject: [plug] squake Message-ID: Hi, I am trying to setup quake for linux , I have a RH6.2 machine and squake, and quake.x11 however when I goto start It it opens for a few milliseconds and then displays the following message /dev/dsp: No such device S_Startup: SNDDMA_Init failed. svalib: Signal 11:Segmentation fault received. Segmentation fault (Core dumped) Also when I try to create a dedicated server (-dedicated) The Clients can see the host in the join game menu but time out after trying to connect. If anyone can help with these problems it would be much appreciated Aaron Wooten _________________________________________________________________ Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ryan at prodigital.net.au Mon Jan 28 01:48:37 2002 From: ryan at prodigital.net.au (Ryan) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:48:37 +0800 Subject: [plug] UCC meeting In-Reply-To: <02012720422100.09512@tesla> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020127210155.00a344b0@10.10.10.1> >At long lost the UCC meeting falls on a public holiday meaning I can come >along. Because I have never been to a UCC meeting ... Ditto. I've got a work laptop with the dreaded SiS 630/730 graphics chipset that misbehaves (static like interference on the screen) when running X using 2.4.10 frame buffers .. under 2.2.x without frame buffers I can't get anything legible. Also sound won't budge and it locks up when you plug a USB mouse in .. vmware works perfectly though ... but one thing at a time. There is lots of documentation of this chipset because the Gericomm webboys use it, but none seem to mention these problems. I have windows on it also so that helps with getting to know the hardware config etc. What is the protocol, do I bring it along and trap someone in a corner? Is it even worth bringing it along? Will people look at me strange when I walk around poking it in their faces? :) Ryan From cottmain at yahoo.com.au Mon Jan 28 07:43:07 2002 From: cottmain at yahoo.com.au (Daniel) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:43:07 +0800 Subject: [plug] reminder - meeting tonight (Monday 28th) 7.30pm at UWA UCC Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020128073253.024c4738@pop.mail.was--yahoo.com.au> Hi Plug, this is a rare opportunity. While still holidays for school, uni and tafe this is also a long weekend. Maybe some people who can't normally attend will be able to this time. Format is generally 'hands on problem solving' (bring your machine along if need be). You have 100mb/s access to the PARNet mirror (not AARNet, but Perth is free), and of course the assembled plug members. This meeting we will also have the preview of the video to promote the conference. If you have the time but no transport you may like to ask the list quoting just your suburb and see if anyone nearby is able to take you (follow up off list). UCC is near the UWA Tavern. Directions are on the plug web site. Membership: This is of course a great opportunity to join plug (if you haven't already done so). You can also put faces to names (some would say it's worth coming just for that). See you there! Daniel. From apamment at yahoo.com Mon Jan 28 08:57:25 2002 From: apamment at yahoo.com (Andrew Pamment) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:57:25 +0800 Subject: [plug] reminder - meeting tonight (Monday 28th) 7.30pm at UWA UCC References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020128073253.024c4738@pop.mail.was--yahoo.com.au> Message-ID: <002001c1a796$c10fdda0$7a888ec6@abbey> I would like to go, but I have no car (or license for that matter) I live in mt Hawthorn on Scarborough Beach Rd if anyone drives past and wants to pick me up would be reeaaallly good? So long as you dont have to pay for these mettings or anything i got nooo money right now until friday. if anyone can help it would be much appreciated! Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel" To: Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 7:43 AM Subject: [plug] reminder - meeting tonight (Monday 28th) 7.30pm at UWA UCC > Hi Plug, this is a rare opportunity. While still holidays for school, uni > and tafe this is also a long weekend. > Maybe some people who can't normally attend will be able to this time. > > Format is generally 'hands on problem solving' (bring your machine along if > need be). > You have 100mb/s access to the PARNet mirror (not AARNet, but Perth is > free), and of course the assembled plug members. > This meeting we will also have the preview of the video to promote the > conference. > > If you have the time but no transport you may like to ask the list quoting > just your suburb and see if anyone nearby is able to take you (follow up > off list). > > UCC is near the UWA Tavern. Directions are on the plug web site. > > Membership: > This is of course a great opportunity to join plug (if you haven't already > done so). > You can also put faces to names (some would say it's worth coming just for > that). > > See you there! > > Daniel. From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Mon Jan 28 09:31:17 2002 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:31:17 +0000 Subject: [plug] UCC meeting In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020127210155.00a344b0@10.10.10.1> References: <02012720422100.09512@tesla> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020128012241.009bfcb0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> At 05:48 27/01/02 , Ryan wrote: >I've got a work laptop with the dreaded SiS 630/730 graphics chipset >What is the protocol, do I bring it along and trap someone in a corner? Is >it even worth bringing it along? Will people look at me strange when I >walk around poking it in their faces? :) I'd just bring it along and see if there is someone who can help. It's light to carry and if you have a network card, you might use it to carry a few cupfuls of software away ;-) cu Harry From cottmain at yahoo.com.au Mon Jan 28 09:36:53 2002 From: cottmain at yahoo.com.au (Daniel) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:36:53 +0800 Subject: [plug] Transport to UCC from Scarborough Beach Rd, MtHawthorn for Andrew? In-Reply-To: <002001c1a796$c10fdda0$7a888ec6@abbey> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020128073253.024c4738@pop.mail.was--yahoo.com.au> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020128092738.024f51c0@144.135.24.13> Hi Andrew, - lets see if anyone out there is going past and can give you a lift - from what I see there's no way plug is going to mind if you can't afford membership fee right away (for many members the memory of being a student or unemployed is still fresh in their mind). Cheers, Daniel. was: From: "Andrew Pamment" , Re: [plug] reminder - meeting tonight (Monday 28th) 7.30pm at UWA UCC At 08:57 28/01/2002 +0800, you wrote: >I would like to go, but I have no car (or license for that matter) I live in >mt Hawthorn on Scarborough Beach Rd if anyone drives past and wants to pick >me up would be reeaaallly good? So long as you dont have to pay for these >mettings or anything i got nooo money right now until friday. if anyone can >help it would be much appreciated! > >Andrew From apamment at yahoo.com Mon Jan 28 13:28:15 2002 From: apamment at yahoo.com (Andrew Pamment) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:28:15 +0800 Subject: [plug] UCC meeting References: <02012720422100.09512@tesla> <4.2.0.58.20020128012241.009bfcb0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <003801c1a7bc$96b466e0$1f4b8ec6@abbey> Awww I am soo jelous. I want an ethernet card so I can take cupfulls of software home toooo sob sob. :-) I am hoping someone mite have a slackware 8.0 i could borrow tonight so I can make my computer worth turning on again.. thanks Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry McNally" To: Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [plug] UCC meeting > At 05:48 27/01/02 , Ryan wrote: > > >I've got a work laptop with the dreaded SiS 630/730 graphics chipset > > > > >What is the protocol, do I bring it along and trap someone in a corner? Is > >it even worth bringing it along? Will people look at me strange when I > >walk around poking it in their faces? :) > > I'd just bring it along and see if there is someone who can help. It's > light to carry and if you have a network card, you might use it to carry a > few cupfuls of software away ;-) > > cu > Harry From elvizdapelviz at hotmail.com Mon Jan 28 13:41:39 2002 From: elvizdapelviz at hotmail.com (ElViZ) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:41:39 +0800 Subject: [plug] Re:Attn andrew References: <02012720422100.09512@tesla> <4.2.0.58.20020128012241.009bfcb0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> <003801c1a7bc$96b466e0$1f4b8ec6@abbey> Message-ID: Where do u live...I can d/l and burn it for u Why thankyuo ElViZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Pamment" To: Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [plug] UCC meeting > Awww I am soo jelous. I want an ethernet card so I can take cupfulls of > software home toooo sob sob. :-) > > I am hoping someone mite have a slackware 8.0 i could borrow tonight so I > can make my computer worth turning on again.. > > thanks > Andrew > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harry McNally" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 9:31 AM > Subject: Re: [plug] UCC meeting > > > > At 05:48 27/01/02 , Ryan wrote: > > > > >I've got a work laptop with the dreaded SiS 630/730 graphics chipset > > > > > > > > >What is the protocol, do I bring it along and trap someone in a corner? > Is > > >it even worth bringing it along? Will people look at me strange when I > > >walk around poking it in their faces? :) > > > > I'd just bring it along and see if there is someone who can help. It's > > light to carry and if you have a network card, you might use it to carry a > > few cupfuls of software away ;-) > > > > cu > > Harry > > From elvizdapelviz at hotmail.com Mon Jan 28 13:53:19 2002 From: elvizdapelviz at hotmail.com (ElViZ) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:53:19 +0800 Subject: [plug] Re:Attn andrew References: <02012720422100.09512@tesla> <4.2.0.58.20020128012241.009bfcb0@decisions-and-designs.com.au> <003801c1a7bc$96b466e0$1f4b8ec6@abbey> Message-ID: Actually I dont mind d/l ing and burning anything from http://www.wireplay.com.au/files/ to the limits of common sense of course , you provide cd-r Why thankyuo ElViZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "ElViZ" To: Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 1:41 PM Subject: [plug] Re:Attn andrew > Where do u live...I can d/l and burn it for u > Why thankyuo > ElViZ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew Pamment" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 1:28 PM > Subject: Re: [plug] UCC meeting > > > > Awww I am soo jelous. I want an ethernet card so I can take cupfulls of > > software home toooo sob sob. :-) > > > > I am hoping someone mite have a slackware 8.0 i could borrow tonight so I > > can make my computer worth turning on again.. > > > > thanks > > Andrew > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Harry McNally" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 9:31 AM > > Subject: Re: [plug] UCC meeting > > > > > > > At 05:48 27/01/02 , Ryan wrote: > > > > > > >I've got a work laptop with the dreaded SiS 630/730 graphics chipset > > > > > > > > > > > > >What is the protocol, do I bring it along and trap someone in a corner? > > Is > > > >it even worth bringing it along? Will people look at me strange when I > > > >walk around poking it in their faces? :) > > > > > > I'd just bring it along and see if there is someone who can help. It's > > > light to carry and if you have a network card, you might use it to carry > a > > > few cupfuls of software away ;-) > > > > > > cu > > > Harry > > > > > > From wayne.vovil at ausi.com Mon Jan 28 14:47:45 2002 From: wayne.vovil at ausi.com (Wayne Vovil) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:47:45 -0800 Subject: [plug] blank cd Message-ID: <200201280647.g0S6lj515419@mail9.bigmailbox.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From pete at akira.apana.org.au Mon Jan 28 17:23:05 2002 From: pete at akira.apana.org.au (Peter Wright) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:23:05 +0800 Subject: [plug] squake In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020128172305.A18266@chef.flooble.net.au> Hi Aaron, On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 01:18:41AM +0800, Aaron Wooten wrote: > Hi, I am trying to setup quake for linux , I have a RH6.2 machine and > squake, and quake.x11 however when I goto start It it opens for a few [ ... ] > If anyone can help with these problems it would be much appreciated You need to be more specific about which "quake" you're dealing with. Since the release of the Quake 1 source code a few years back there are quite a few ports of Quake 1 floating around. But if you're trying to use the official id binaries of '96 vintage, I'd say ... don't :). I'd suggest first going to http://www.quakeforge.net/ and grabbing the latest stable release (ie. what they call "Newtree", their stable tree). You'll probably have to build it from source due to the fact that you're using a distro based on a rather old glibc, but it's _very_ straightforward to compile. Let me know if you have any problems with it after that, and I _might_ be able to help you. > Aaron Wooten I've been using the quakeforge development tree for a bit now, and aside from the fact that it doesn't have menus (I think the developers have the philosophy that menus are for wimps :), it's rock-solid and works very very well (I never played Quake1 back when it was originally released, so it's sort of cool to play it now, in a retro-gaming kind of way). I'd like to be able to try it multiplayer but haven't yet managed to find a nearby server with anyone on it. ;-) Pete. -- http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/ C makes it easy for you to shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes that harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg. -- Bjarne Stroustrup From shahmann at hotmail.com Mon Jan 28 10:27:42 2002 From: shahmann at hotmail.com (stephen shah) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:27:42 Subject: [plug] squake Message-ID: Aaron, your server version of quake is probally not the same as your client server game, If u can connect and then get dropped it is because they r not the same builds If u r a hardcore q3 player then u will know that every few months thier is an update which u install into your quake directory We r now up2 point release 130, I am assuming u mean q3 anyways, u may want to visit the organgesmoothie site a visit to c wot the latest is for your linux box, thats the osp mods regards >From: Peter Wright >Reply-To: plug at plug.linux.org.au >To: plug at plug.linux.org.au >Subject: Re: [plug] squake >Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:23:05 +0800 > >Hi Aaron, > >On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 01:18:41AM +0800, Aaron Wooten wrote: > > Hi, I am trying to setup quake for linux , I have a RH6.2 machine and > > squake, and quake.x11 however when I goto start It it opens for a few >[ ... ] > > If anyone can help with these problems it would be much appreciated > >You need to be more specific about which "quake" you're dealing with. Since >the release of the Quake 1 source code a few years back there are quite a >few ports of Quake 1 floating around. But if you're trying to use the >official id binaries of '96 vintage, I'd say ... don't :). > >I'd suggest first going to http://www.quakeforge.net/ and grabbing the >latest stable release (ie. what they call "Newtree", their stable tree). > >You'll probably have to build it from source due to the fact that you're >using a distro based on a rather old glibc, but it's _very_ straightforward >to compile. Let me know if you have any problems with it after that, and I >_might_ be able to help you. > > > Aaron Wooten > >I've been using the quakeforge development tree for a bit now, and aside >from the fact that it doesn't have menus (I think the developers have the >philosophy that menus are for wimps :), it's rock-solid and works very very >well (I never played Quake1 back when it was originally released, so it's >sort of cool to play it now, in a retro-gaming kind of way). I'd like to be >able to try it multiplayer but haven't yet managed to find a nearby server >with anyone on it. ;-) > > >Pete. >-- >http://akira.apana.org.au/~pete/ >C makes it easy for you to shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes that >harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg. > -- Bjarne Stroustrup > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From markn at enspace.com Mon Jan 28 19:47:27 2002 From: markn at enspace.com (Mark Nold) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:47:27 +0800 Subject: [plug] New screen In-Reply-To: <20020127124116.6D2E58AA1@spark.plug.linux.org.au> References: <20020127085706.480478A86@spark.plug.linux.org.au> <20020127124116.6D2E58AA1@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Message-ID: <20020128114410.51CC28A67@spark.plug.linux.org.au> You may want to try running xconfigurator instead of editing the config files by hand... but the new monitor shouldnt have changed your app startup speed...unless you increased resoltion or colour depth? On Sunday 27 January 2002 20:43, J Michael Gilks wrote: > Well you were all right, although I am sure Little Sally will enjoy staying > with Uncle Satan anyway, and as an added bonus I didn't have to learn a > thing. The new disolay is very nice, but loading of applications seems to > have slowed down a lot. Will keep chipping away at the problems. > A prediction: One day a computer will work how I want it to, for more than > 30 secnds > > On Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:59, J Michael Gilks wrote: > > I am about to delve into the black arts and change the monitor on my > > Linux desktop. I know you generally have to offer your firstborn child to > > Satan to make this work, but I was hoping for an easier option. > > Girlfriends get so upset so easily. > > In /etc/X11/ I have 2 files XF86Config and XF86Config-4 . If I back these > > up to a new name before starting and everything dies I should be able to > > restore my settings by restoring these files. Is this a correct > > assumption or should I get out the ram skull and sacrifice altar. > > Help me I am scared. > > Love > > Mike. From apamment at yahoo.com Tue Jan 29 07:15:00 2002 From: apamment at yahoo.com (Andrew Pamment) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:15:00 +0800 Subject: [plug] Computer Swapmeets Message-ID: <000c01c1a851$d4af9a60$ea718ec6@abbey> Hi, Could anyone tell me how often there are computer swap meets in Perth? I was told, but can't remember. Also where abouts are they? Thanks Andrew "If you live a lie, you'll die a liar." - Catatonia "Post Script" From elvizdapelviz at hotmail.com Tue Jan 29 08:46:20 2002 From: elvizdapelviz at hotmail.com (ElViZ) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:46:20 +0800 Subject: [plug] Computer Swapmeets References: <000c01c1a851$d4af9a60$ea718ec6@abbey> Message-ID: http://www.monstercomputer.com.au/ Why thankyuo ElViZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Pamment" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 7:15 AM Subject: [plug] Computer Swapmeets > Hi, > > Could anyone tell me how often there are computer swap meets in Perth? I was > told, but can't remember. Also where abouts are they? > > Thanks > Andrew > > "If you live a lie, you'll die a liar." > - Catatonia "Post Script" > > From tgutmann at iinet.net.au Tue Jan 29 09:33:43 2002 From: tgutmann at iinet.net.au (Theodor Gutmann) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:33:43 +0800 Subject: [plug] Linux shop in Perth Message-ID: <000901c1a864$fd0cb930$ebcf3bcb@Braumeister> Hi list, Anyone can tell me who the Linux dealer in Pert is? Theo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garbuck at tpg.com.au Tue Jan 29 09:42:02 2002 From: garbuck at tpg.com.au (garry) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:42:02 +0800 Subject: [plug] Linux shop in Perth In-Reply-To: <000901c1a864$fd0cb930$ebcf3bcb@Braumeister> References: <000901c1a864$fd0cb930$ebcf3bcb@Braumeister> Message-ID: <200201290142.MAA01326@buffy.tpgi.com.au> A shop which handles Linux software and compatable hardware is LinuxWA, corner of Carrington and South Streets. But I hope you realise "Linux" is not a commercial product, like Weetbix. Regards, Garry. On Tuesday 29 January 2002 09:33 am, Theodor Gutmann wrote: > Hi list, > > Anyone can tell me who the Linux dealer in Pert is? > > Theo From cottmain at yahoo.com.au Tue Jan 29 10:14:06 2002 From: cottmain at yahoo.com.au (Daniel) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:14:06 +0800 Subject: [plug] Linux shop in Perth In-Reply-To: <000901c1a864$fd0cb930$ebcf3bcb@Braumeister> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020129095811.02c49d00@144.135.24.13> Hi Theo, I guess you need a linux 'dealer' to get them to do consulting. Those guys Garry referred you to are good - they follow and support plug and you can probably walk in there and buy a copy of a distribution. Otherwise I hope you know that members ($5 concession, $10 full) can borrow most distros from the plug library for free. And some of the members who make up the cds would be disappointed to see them just 'sitting on the shelves', underutilized. So if you can wait till Tuesday February 12 at Tafe then we'll do all we can to loan you the right distro. Check http://www.plug.org.au for more details of meetings. Cheers, Daniel. At 09:33 29/01/2002 +0800, you wrote: >Hi list, > > Anyone can tell me who the Linux dealer in Pert is? > >Theo From tgutmann at iinet.net.au Tue Jan 29 10:45:34 2002 From: tgutmann at iinet.net.au (Theodor Gutmann) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:45:34 +0800 Subject: [plug] Linux shop in Perth In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020129095811.02c49d00@144.135.24.13> Message-ID: <001001c1a86f$06fface0$ebcf3bcb@Braumeister> Thanks Daniel, All I wanted to know is who and where I can buy a Linux distribution (Suse 7.3 ) in Perth as Everything Linux in Sidney are out of stock. I am also thankful for the suggestion of being able to borrow a distribution from the plug library for free. Well...........and I really don't see in buying a distribution from the shop like buying a box of Weetbix as Garry suggested.......:-) but these people at RedHat,Suse,Debian ..to name a few also have to eat and live......:-). Besides they keep Linux alive. Cheers: Theo........( I still don't know the name of the place though........cnr.. of Carrington and South streets )...........:-) -----Original Message----- From: Daniel [mailto:cottmain at yahoo.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 10:14 AM To: plug at plug.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [plug] Linux shop in Perth Hi Theo, I guess you need a linux 'dealer' to get them to do consulting. Those guys Garry referred you to are good - they follow and support plug and you can probably walk in there and buy a copy of a distribution. Otherwise I hope you know that members ($5 concession, $10 full) can borrow most distros from the plug library for free. And some of the members who make up the cds would be disappointed to see them just 'sitting on the shelves', underutilized. So if you can wait till Tuesday February 12 at Tafe then we'll do all we can to loan you the right distro. Check http://www.plug.org.au for more details of meetings. Cheers, Daniel. At 09:33 29/01/2002 +0800, you wrote: >Hi list, > > Anyone can tell me who the Linux dealer in Pert is? > >Theo From Jeremy at Malcolm.wattle.id.au Tue Jan 29 10:48:25 2002 From: Jeremy at Malcolm.wattle.id.au (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:48:25 +0800 Subject: [plug] Ximian GNOME on woody References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020127104219.00b59ea0@mail> Message-ID: <3C560D79.64A444EA@Malcolm.wattle.id.au> John Breen wrote: > > Hey, has anyone succesfully managed to get Ximian GNOME to install on woody? Yes. It won't necessarily work on current woody but I have a 6-CD set woody distro in stock that works perfectly with Ximian if you follow the right procedures, which are: (a) Install Ximian on potato (b) Upgrade to woody using the CDs. (c) If apt complains about anything in ximian, allow it to remove what it's complaining about. (d) Edit /var/lib/dpkg/status and replace "libgnomeprint11" with "libgnomeprint15" whereever mentioned in the ximian packages. (e) Reinstall using dpkg whatever you removed in step (c) above. (f) From memory there are a couple of very minor conflicts in (e) above. If you don't need the conflicting packages (I didn't), remove them. If you follow that procedure, everything from the recent copy of Ximian that I have works, although warning, step (d) is a hack. -- JEREMY MALCOLM http://malcolm.wattle.id.au Providing online networks of Australian lawyers (http://www.ilaw.com.au) and Linux experts (http://www.linuxconsultants.com.au) for instant help! Disclaimer: http://www.terminus.net.au/disclaimer.html. GPG key: finger. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 2071 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From garbuck at tpg.com.au Tue Jan 29 10:56:49 2002 From: garbuck at tpg.com.au (garry) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:56:49 +0800 Subject: [plug] Linux shop in Perth In-Reply-To: <001001c1a86f$06fface0$ebcf3bcb@Braumeister> References: <001001c1a86f$06fface0$ebcf3bcb@Braumeister> Message-ID: <200201290257.NAA19816@buffy.tpgi.com.au> The name of the shop is LinuxWA, as I said.. 8^)== Its a YELLOW shop. cnr Carrington and South Sts, Hilton. Garry > Cheers: Theo........( I still don't know the name of the place > though........cnr.. of Carrington and South streets )...........:-) > From tgutmann at iinet.net.au Tue Jan 29 11:11:56 2002 From: tgutmann at iinet.net.au (Theodor Gutmann) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:11:56 +0800 Subject: [plug] Linux shop in Perth In-Reply-To: <200201290257.NAA19816@buffy.tpgi.com.au> Message-ID: <001c01c1a872$b59e67c0$ebcf3bcb@Braumeister> Thanx........cannot find a phone # in the phone directory under LinuxWA ....Will not drive all the way down there just to find out they have no distribution on stock........;-) -----Original Message----- From: garry [mailto:garbuck at tpg.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 10:57 AM To: plug at plug.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [plug] Linux shop in Perth The name of the shop is LinuxWA, as I said.. 8^)== Its a YELLOW shop. cnr Carrington and South Sts, Hilton. Garry > Cheers: Theo........( I still don't know the name of the place > though........cnr.. of Carrington and South streets )...........:-) > From skribe at amber.com.au Tue Jan 29 11:17:19 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:17:19 +0800 Subject: [plug] Linux shop in Perth In-Reply-To: <001c01c1a872$b59e67c0$ebcf3bcb@Braumeister> References: <001c01c1a872$b59e67c0$ebcf3bcb@Braumeister> Message-ID: <02012911171902.16930@oberon.amber.com.au> On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:11, Theodor Gutmann wrote: > Thanx........cannot find a phone # in the phone directory under LinuxWA > ....Will not drive all the way down there just to find out they have no > distribution on stock........;-) Go to the plug home page. Click on the big linux services WA picture on the left hand side bar and you'll find the phone number there. Alternatively, go to http://www.yellowpages.com.au type in 'linux wa' into business name, set location to Perth WA and Linux Services WA is the one and only result. It's really not that hard. skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 The only thing we learn from history is that we learn nothing from history. -- Hegel I know guys can't learn from yesterday ... Hegel must be taking the long view. -- John Brunner, "Stand on Zanzibar" From belj at ljbc.wa.edu.au Tue Jan 29 12:13:12 2002 From: belj at ljbc.wa.edu.au (Jason Belcher) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:13:12 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] Enforcing password rules Message-ID: List, I'm writing some web-based scripts at the moment that will enable students to change their user account passwords. I'm wanting to enforce password rules (ie. minimum number of characters, not a dictionary word etc...) and I was wondering if anyone knows of a good command-line tool, (or PHP code) that can be used to check passwords against a list of rules, or will I have to write it from scratch? Thanks in advance -- Jason Belcher Assistant Computer Technician Lake Joondalup Baptist College From skribe at amber.com.au Tue Jan 29 12:15:14 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:15:14 +0800 Subject: [plug] Enforcing password rules In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02012912151406.16930@oberon.amber.com.au> On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:13, Jason Belcher wrote: > I was wondering if anyone knows of a good command-line tool, (or PHP code) > that can be used to check passwords against a list of rules, or will I > have to write it from scratch? Check out http://www.hotscripts.com. skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 "Uncle Cosmo ... why do they call this a word processor?" "It's simple, Skyler ... you've seen what food processors do to food, right?" -- MacNelley, "Shoe" From Adrian at Diskworld.com.au Tue Jan 29 12:26:47 2002 From: Adrian at Diskworld.com.au (Adrian Woodley) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:26:47 +0800 Subject: [plug] Multiple Consoles Message-ID: G'Day, Anyone have any idea how to move the text console onto a second graphics card? I want to be able to have X on my good AGP card and the console on an S3 Trio and have them both display at the same time. Anyone seen any documentation to help with this? Cheers, Adrian From skribe at amber.com.au Tue Jan 29 13:35:41 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:35:41 +0800 Subject: [plug] Forum question: TCP Port Fowarding Under Mandrake 8.0 Message-ID: <02012913354100.20290@oberon.amber.com.au> Could someone who is more familiar with port forwarding please take a look at this question on the web site forum: http://plug.linux.org.au/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&file=viewthread&tid=29 Also if anybody is willing to burn Mandrake 8.1 for someone in Rockingham please check out: http://plug.linux.org.au/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&file=viewthread&tid=30 skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 Be independent. Insult a rich relative today. From brian at paradigmit.com.au Tue Jan 29 13:49:23 2002 From: brian at paradigmit.com.au (Brian Tombleson) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:49:23 +0800 Subject: [plug] Forum question: TCP Port Fowarding Under Mandrake 8.0 References: <02012913354100.20290@oberon.amber.com.au> Message-ID: <020401c1a888$b43ab710$6400a8c0@brian> From: "skribe" > Could someone who is more familiar with port forwarding please take a look at > this question on the web site forum: > > http://plug.linux.org.au/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&file=viewthread& tid=29 Done. Recommend "redir" - Brian. From czilko at southwest.com.au Tue Jan 29 13:56:19 2002 From: czilko at southwest.com.au (Craig) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:56:19 +0800 Subject: [plug] Forum question: TCP Port Fowarding Under Mandrake 8.0 In-Reply-To: <02012913354100.20290@oberon.amber.com.au> References: <02012913354100.20290@oberon.amber.com.au> Message-ID: <200201290556.g0T5uTt01164@tuart.southwest.com.au> 8.1 ready to go now .... in Rockingham .... message posted on PLUG. Cheers, Craig. Mandrake Linux 8.1 Kernel version: 2.4.8-34.1mdk Current Linux uptime: 4 days 12 hours 31 minutes. In a world without fences - who needs Gates? From skribe at amber.com.au Tue Jan 29 14:08:15 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:08:15 +0800 Subject: [plug] Forum question: TCP Port Fowarding Under Mandrake 8.0 In-Reply-To: <02012913354100.20290@oberon.amber.com.au> References: <02012913354100.20290@oberon.amber.com.au> Message-ID: <02012914081501.20290@oberon.amber.com.au> Thanks very much Craig, Brian and Jonathon. skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 Molecule, n.: The ultimate, indivisible unit of matter. It is distinguished from the corpuscle, also the ultimate, indivisible unit of matter, by a closer resemblance to the atom, also the ultimate, indivisible unit of matter ... The ion differs from the molecule, the corpuscle and the atom in that it is an ion ... -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" From skribe at amber.com.au Tue Jan 29 14:10:19 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:10:19 +0800 Subject: [plug] Forum question: TCP Port Fowarding Under Mandrake 8.0 In-Reply-To: <02012914081501.20290@oberon.amber.com.au> References: <02012913354100.20290@oberon.amber.com.au> <02012914081501.20290@oberon.amber.com.au> Message-ID: <02012914101902.20290@oberon.amber.com.au> On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:08, skribe wrote: > Thanks very much Craig, Brian and Jonathon. And Paul too. skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 The law will never make men free; it is men who have got to make the law free. -- Henry David Thoreau From apamment at yahoo.com Tue Jan 29 14:43:15 2002 From: apamment at yahoo.com (Andrew Pamment) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:43:15 +0800 Subject: [plug] Multiple Consoles References: Message-ID: <001701c1a890$45033680$1e5b8ec6@abbey> not to sure if this is what you want.... http://lwn.net/1999/0513/a/multihead.html you can use a thing called con2fb i dont know if it will work hope it helps a bit anyway andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Woodley" To: "PLUG" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 12:26 PM Subject: [plug] Multiple Consoles > G'Day, > Anyone have any idea how to move the text console onto a second graphics > card? I want to be able to have X on my good AGP card and the console on an > S3 Trio and have them both display at the same time. Anyone seen any > documentation to help with this? > > Cheers, > Adrian From apamment at yahoo.com Tue Jan 29 18:54:13 2002 From: apamment at yahoo.com (Andrew Pamment) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:54:13 +0800 Subject: [plug] licq Message-ID: <000f01c1a8b3$4ba32540$7e4b8ec6@abbey> hi.. does anyone successfully use icq and linux at the same time? I am using licq - err rephrase that - *trying* to use licq, under my neeew slackware 8.0 system (thanks plug) now, I used to be able to do this early 2000 under slackware 7.1, but no longer! it seems that none of my messages go through. I have concluded that it must be either one of two things 1) my firewall is a bit over protective, i dont think so, i'm using MonMotha's iptables script, with it setup to log and drop the packets that i dont want coming in. but its supposed to let everything out. 2) icq has turned into a monster and wont allow anything without the aol-time-warner secret handshake and ad retrieval system. help me! what is it?? am i even close? Andrew "If you live a lie, you'll die a liar." - Catatonia "Post Script" From arkem at mornmist.2y.net Tue Jan 29 19:19:36 2002 From: arkem at mornmist.2y.net (Arkem (Paul)) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:19:36 +0800 Subject: [plug] licq In-Reply-To: <000f01c1a8b3$4ba32540$7e4b8ec6@abbey> References: <000f01c1a8b3$4ba32540$7e4b8ec6@abbey> Message-ID: On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:54, Andrew Pamment wrote: > hi.. > > does anyone successfully use icq and linux at the same time? I am > using licq - err rephrase that - *trying* to use licq, under my > neeew slackware 8.0 system (thanks plug) now, I used to be able to > do this early 2000 under slackware 7.1, but no longer! it seems > that none of my messages go through. I have concluded that it must > be either one of two things > > 1) my firewall is a bit over protective, i dont think so, i'm using > MonMotha's iptables script, with it setup to log and drop the > packets that i dont want coming in. but its supposed to let > everything out. > > 2) icq has turned into a monster and wont allow anything without > the aol-time-warner secret handshake and ad retrieval system. > > help me! what is it?? am i even close? > Number 2 is relatively close. The ICQ protocol (which all ICQ clients use) has quite a few versions (AOL-Time Warner seem to like releasing new revisions alot) currently I think they are up to version 8 of the protocol. Currently LICQ and 90% of all alternate icq clients are supporting version 5 or 6. The Licq dev team are frantically coding up support for the newer versions and plan to have it in their next release. Have a look at http://www.licq.org/ and-or http://licq.sourceforge.net/ and check their dev mailing list archive. In the mean time you should find that you mostly drop messages when sent through the server and should be fine otherwise, I know it is annoying but it should work at least some of the time. Try whenever possible using direct connections. Also in newer genuine ICQ clients there is an option along the lines of "dissallow direct connections from older clients" which defaults to on, try making sure all your non linux friends have this turned off. Regards, Paul From batesy at batesy.net Tue Jan 29 19:27:43 2002 From: batesy at batesy.net (Jonathon Bates) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:27:43 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] licq In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > The ICQ protocol (which all ICQ clients use) has quite a few versions > (AOL-Time Warner seem to like releasing new revisions alot) currently > I think they are up to version 8 of the protocol. Currently LICQ and > 90% of all alternate icq clients are supporting version 5 or 6. The > Licq dev team are frantically coding up support for the newer > versions and plan to have it in their next release. Have a look at > http://www.licq.org/ and-or http://licq.sourceforge.net/ and check > their dev mailing list archive. Get hte latest CVS snapshot and it will work with no problems what so ever! Cheers Batesy From bernard at blackham.com.au Tue Jan 29 19:30:17 2002 From: bernard at blackham.com.au (Bernard) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:30:17 +0800 Subject: [plug] licq In-Reply-To: <000f01c1a8b3$4ba32540$7e4b8ec6@abbey> References: <000f01c1a8b3$4ba32540$7e4b8ec6@abbey> Message-ID: <20020129113016.GA18780@bernard.home> Andrew, What version of licq are you using? I moved to the CVS version (1.1.0) a while ago which supports the new protocol (v8) which is much more reliable and it works for me beautifully behind a linux ipmasq firewall. Note some features like Auth requests and Security settings aren't yet implemented, but I live without them. I recommend you give it a shot, but you'll need to compile it all from source. Though its still under development its very useable once you get it to compile. Download the daily CVS snapshot from the www.licq.org and holler if you need a hand :) Regards, Bernard. On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 06:54:13PM +0800, Andrew Pamment wrote: > does anyone successfully use icq and linux at the same time? I am using > licq - err rephrase that - *trying* to use licq, under my neeew slackware > 8.0 system (thanks plug) now, I used to be able to do this early 2000 under > slackware 7.1, but no longer! it seems that none of my messages go through. > I have concluded that it must be either one of two things -- Bernard Blackham bernard at blackham.com.au From arkem at mornmist.2y.net Tue Jan 29 19:39:34 2002 From: arkem at mornmist.2y.net (Arkem (Paul)) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:39:34 +0800 Subject: [plug] licq In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:27, Jonathon Bates wrote: > > The ICQ protocol (which all ICQ clients use) has quite a few > > versions (AOL-Time Warner seem to like releasing new revisions > > alot) currently I think they are up to version 8 of the protocol. > > Currently LICQ and 90% of all alternate icq clients are > > supporting version 5 or 6. The Licq dev team are frantically > > coding up support for the newer versions and plan to have it in > > their next release. Have a look at http://www.licq.org/ and-or > > http://licq.sourceforge.net/ and check their dev mailing list > > archive. > > Get hte latest CVS snapshot and it will work with no problems what > so ever! > I'm using the CVS from a week or so ago and yeah it seems to work, it isn't quite as stable as I'd like and often fails to update user info or crashes when you try to update multiple users simultaneously but if you don't mind a bit of instability (or just can't live with a semi broken ICQ) the CVS snapshot is good. - Paul From apamment at yahoo.com Tue Jan 29 19:50:21 2002 From: apamment at yahoo.com (Andrew Pamment) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:50:21 +0800 Subject: [plug] licq References: Message-ID: <002c01c1a8bb$22c4ad30$7e4b8ec6@abbey> thanks so much i downloaded the latest stable source, i'll give the cvs a try, thanks again, also, does the cvs support the contact list online? hmm never mind i supose i'll find out shortly. thanks andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathon Bates" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [plug] licq > > The ICQ protocol (which all ICQ clients use) has quite a few versions > > (AOL-Time Warner seem to like releasing new revisions alot) currently > > I think they are up to version 8 of the protocol. Currently LICQ and > > 90% of all alternate icq clients are supporting version 5 or 6. The > > Licq dev team are frantically coding up support for the newer > > versions and plan to have it in their next release. Have a look at > > http://www.licq.org/ and-or http://licq.sourceforge.net/ and check > > their dev mailing list archive. > > Get hte latest CVS snapshot and it will work with no problems what so > ever! > > Cheers > Batesy From batesy at batesy.net Tue Jan 29 20:02:59 2002 From: batesy at batesy.net (Jonathon Bates) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:02:59 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] licq In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Get hte latest CVS snapshot and it will work with no problems what > > so ever! > > > I'm using the CVS from a week or so ago and yeah it seems to work, it > isn't quite as stable as I'd like and often fails to update user info > or crashes when you try to update multiple users simultaneously but > if you don't mind a bit of instability (or just can't live with a > semi broken ICQ) the CVS snapshot is good. Really? I got the CVS snapshot from the 22nd Dec, and I have not had a problem with it in the slightest. I still have the source if anyone wants it! Cheers Batesy From wootenaa at hotmail.com Tue Jan 29 20:10:27 2002 From: wootenaa at hotmail.com (Aaron Wooten) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:10:27 +0800 Subject: [plug] Computer Sale Message-ID: Hey guys Im moving overseas soon, and I have decided to sell ALL my computer equipment so I can buy a laptop to take with me. I'd prefer to sell the lot in one sale. Below are the specs for everything: Main Workstation: AMD Duron 950 256mb ram Speakers Floppy Drive Geforce 2 MX400 Vid(with blue orb chipset cooler) Netgear 100mbps Lan 20gb Hardrive Pioneer DVD ROM Onboard Sound (AC97) Case Modded for extra cooling fans 15" Creative Monitor Belkin Ergonomic Keyboard Microsoft Optical Mouse 4 button joystick Running Windows Me & 2000 Still under warranty Server : Pentuim 200MMX Cpu 128mb ram 3 and 2gb hdd Full tower atx case 24X Cdrom Keyboard & Mouse floppy Realtek 100mbps Lan 15" Monitor Soundblaster Audio Running Windows NT Server Server 2 Pentium 200MMX Cpu 2gb hardrive 15" Monitor Keyboard & Mouse ATX Server Case Asus Motherboard floppy Cooling Fans netgear 100mbps lan 24X CDROM Soundblaster Audio running redhat 6.2 Workstation 2 Pentuim 200MMX Cpu 64mb ram 2gb hdd at case 24X Cdrom Speakers Keyboard & Mouse floppy Genius 10mbps Lan 15" Monitor Soundblaster Audio Running Windows 98 Router 1 : Pentuim 100MMX Cpu 32mb ram 540mb hdd at case Keyboard floppy Ne2000 10mbps Lan Soundblaster Audio Running Freesco Dialup Router Terminals 2 i386s 20mb hdd 3 1/2 " Floppy 15" monitor Keyboard & Mouse Other Compontents 8port 100mbps Nway ethernet switch ( Under Warranty) 8 cables included variuos sizes 2 external 56k modems enough working spare parts to build about 3 Pcs 4 shelf Server rack hmm what else is there ?? a sh*t load of ram (Simms) hmm thats about it I want $2000 for the lot or a good laptop 800mhz + Please Contact me off list Cheers Aaron _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Adrian at Diskworld.com.au Tue Jan 29 23:41:26 2002 From: Adrian at Diskworld.com.au (Adrian Woodley) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:41:26 +0800 Subject: [plug] Keyboard Message-ID: G'Day, A while ago I was fiddling with my key mappings and I've managed to break a couple of things - that is to say I think I've broken some things. Under X, does and work in xterm? On a console they seem to work (I think), but not under X. How would I go about returning to the default settings? Cheers, Adrian From jason at mindsocket.com.au Wed Jan 30 01:51:38 2002 From: jason at mindsocket.com.au (Jason Nicholls) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:51:38 -0800 Subject: [plug] licq In-Reply-To: <20020129113016.GA18780@bernard.home>; from bernard@blackham.com.au on Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 07:30:17PM +0800 References: <000f01c1a8b3$4ba32540$7e4b8ec6@abbey> <20020129113016.GA18780@bernard.home> Message-ID: <20020129095137.F1404@thinker.mindsocket.com.au> On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 07:30:17PM +0800, Bernard wrote: > What version of licq are you using? I moved to the CVS version > (1.1.0) a while ago which supports the new protocol (v8) which is > much more reliable and it works for me beautifully behind a linux > ipmasq firewall. Note some features like Auth requests and Security > settings aren't yet implemented, but I live without them. I've been using vicq (sorry don't have URL, use freshmeat). It's a micq clone in perl and works fine with the new protocol. Regards, Jason Nicholls -------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Nicholls icq: 11745841 email: Proprietor mobile: 0417 410 811 Mind Socket [web services] http://www.mindsocket.com.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- From travisr at rave.iinet.net.au Wed Jan 30 10:43:16 2002 From: travisr at rave.iinet.net.au (Travis Read) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:43:16 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] licq In-Reply-To: <20020129095137.F1404@thinker.mindsocket.com.au> Message-ID: I use centericq, it has support for icq2000, msn, aim etc. That latest CVS is really sweet. It's console based so I can run icq from anywhere in the world via putty. http://konst.org.ua/centericq Trav On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, Jason Nicholls wrote: > On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 07:30:17PM +0800, Bernard wrote: > > What version of licq are you using? I moved to the CVS version > > (1.1.0) a while ago which supports the new protocol (v8) which is > > much more reliable and it works for me beautifully behind a linux > > ipmasq firewall. Note some features like Auth requests and Security > > settings aren't yet implemented, but I live without them. > > I've been using vicq (sorry don't have URL, use freshmeat). It's a micq clone > in perl and works fine with the new protocol. > > > > Regards, > > Jason Nicholls > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Jason Nicholls icq: 11745841 email: > Proprietor mobile: 0417 410 811 > Mind Socket [web services] http://www.mindsocket.com.au/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------- " there is a war going on, it's not about who has the most bullets, it's about who controls the information " - SNEAKERS From travisr at rave.iinet.net.au Wed Jan 30 10:45:01 2002 From: travisr at rave.iinet.net.au (Travis Read) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:45:01 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] licq In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Another url on centericq: http://www.centericq.de On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Travis Read wrote: > > I use centericq, it has support for icq2000, msn, aim etc. That latest CVS > is really sweet. It's console based so I can run icq from anywhere in the > world via putty. http://konst.org.ua/centericq > > Trav > > On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, Jason Nicholls wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 07:30:17PM +0800, Bernard wrote: > > > What version of licq are you using? I moved to the CVS version > > > (1.1.0) a while ago which supports the new protocol (v8) which is > > > much more reliable and it works for me beautifully behind a linux > > > ipmasq firewall. Note some features like Auth requests and Security > > > settings aren't yet implemented, but I live without them. > > > > I've been using vicq (sorry don't have URL, use freshmeat). It's a micq clone > > in perl and works fine with the new protocol. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Jason Nicholls > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Jason Nicholls icq: 11745841 email: > > Proprietor mobile: 0417 410 811 > > Mind Socket [web services] http://www.mindsocket.com.au/ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > " there is a war going on, it's not about who has the most bullets, > it's about who controls the information " - SNEAKERS > -- Kind regards, ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Travis Read iiNet Senior Support | Ph +61 8 9214 2222 Fx +61 8 9214 2211 travisr at staff.iinet.net.au | Level 6, Durack House, 263 Adelaide Terrace ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ " there is a war going on, it's not about who has the most bullets, it's about who controls the information " - SNEAKERS From tony at cantech.net.au Wed Jan 30 11:38:51 2002 From: tony at cantech.net.au (Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:38:51 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] PPPD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 27 Jan 2002, Andrew Barbara wrote: > Hi, > is there a way to dial a connection with pppd as a non privliged user, im getting the following error... > > /usr/sbin/pppd: must be root to run /usr/sbin/pppd, since it is not setuid-root CReate a group (I'll call mine dialout) cd /usr/sbin chown root:dialout chmod 2750 pppd Then run the script. pppd should now work. every distro has a differnt way of doing it properly. If you told us the distro you are running we may be able to help in more detail. Yours Tony. /* * "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the * same level of thinking we were at when we created them." * --Albert Einstein */ From BuddrigeD at logica.com Wed Jan 30 11:38:25 2002 From: BuddrigeD at logica.com (Buddrige, David) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:38:25 +1100 Subject: [plug] hardware info Message-ID: <8718EBE52EC1D5119A1200B0D079D03D167C3C@hill.au.logica.com> Hi all, Does anyone know of a program for Linux that will tell you all about the system e.g. what cpu, amount of ram, etc? Something like what MSinfo does? thanks heaps David. This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Wed Jan 30 11:40:06 2002 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (craig at postnewspapers.com.au) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:40:06 +0800 Subject: [plug] nologin files was : debian - bootup problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020130034005.GA24193@geek.localnet> You will probably need to append "single" to the boot prompt, to cause the system to come up in maintainance mode. You can then rm /etc/nologin and exit to boot normally. However you should check to see that /etc/rc?.d/S??rmnologin exist, because if you've accidentally deleted them the problem will recurr again and again. If they aren't there, do cd /etc/rc5.d/ ln -s /etc/init.d/rmnologin S99rmnologin (repeat for rc2.d, rc3.d, rc4.d, but be _sure_ that the target files don't exist first) If you've been mucking about with runlevels and things you can manage to mess this up. -- Craig Ringer IT Manager, POST Newspapers http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/ http://oberthur.dyndns.org/~craig/ GPG Key Fingerprint: AF1C ABFE 7E64 E9C8 FC27 C16E D3CE CDC0 0E93 380D -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mullerc at iinet.net.au Wed Jan 30 11:49:00 2002 From: mullerc at iinet.net.au (Christian =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=FCller?=) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:49:00 +0800 Subject: [plug] hardware info In-Reply-To: <8718EBE52EC1D5119A1200B0D079D03D167C3C@hill.au.logica.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20020130114813.00b57f58@192.168.1.1> David, dmesg might be what you are looking for, just run it at the command line and it will give you a great amount of information about your system. Christian At 14:38 30/01/2002 +1100, you wrote: >Hi all, > >Does anyone know of a program for Linux that will tell you all about the >system e.g. what cpu, amount of ram, etc? Something like what MSinfo does? > >thanks heaps > >David. > >This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended >recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential >information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be >copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are >not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any >attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. From steveg at calm.wa.gov.au Wed Jan 30 11:54:23 2002 From: steveg at calm.wa.gov.au (Steve Grasso) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:54:23 +0800 Subject: [plug] hardware info In-Reply-To: <8718EBE52EC1D5119A1200B0D079D03D167C3C@hill.au.logica.com> References: <8718EBE52EC1D5119A1200B0D079D03D167C3C@hill.au.logica.com> Message-ID: <0201301154230A.00479@202.1.30.40> Hi David, Browsing the /proc file system from a web browser on the local machine will yield more than you want to know :) dmesg run after bootup will tell you a heap eg. from a Linux boot disk (eg. For an example of what you can see from /proc, browse the following from a Linux machine: http://plug.linux.org.au/~steve/proc.html and what you can see using dmesg, the MBR rescue disk at http://plug.linux.org.au/~steve/mbr.html HTH, Steve On Wednesday 30 January 2002 11:38, Buddrige, David wrote: > Hi all, > > Does anyone know of a program for Linux that will tell you all about the > system e.g. what cpu, amount of ram, etc? Something like what MSinfo does? > > thanks heaps > > David. > > This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended > recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential > information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, > disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an > intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any > attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Wed Jan 30 11:54:13 2002 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (craig at postnewspapers.com.au) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:54:13 +0800 Subject: [plug] licq In-Reply-To: <000f01c1a8b3$4ba32540$7e4b8ec6@abbey> References: <000f01c1a8b3$4ba32540$7e4b8ec6@abbey> Message-ID: <20020130035413.GB24193@geek.localnet> > 2) icq has turned into a monster and wont allow anything without the > aol-time-warner secret handshake and ad retrieval system. You got it. A friend of mine even had a message pop up on their system saying "The person you're trying to contact is using an old verison of ICQ, messages may be dropped and communication may be unreliable. Please encourage them to upgrade to a new version available from icq.com" *arrggh* Got to love AOL. You are unlikely to be able to do direct communication between licq and Icq2000 or above, either. I have had no problem with messages dropped by the server yet, though. -- Craig Ringer IT Manager, POST Newspapers http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/ http://oberthur.dyndns.org/~craig/ GPG Key Fingerprint: AF1C ABFE 7E64 E9C8 FC27 C16E D3CE CDC0 0E93 380D -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Wed Jan 30 11:56:28 2002 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (craig at postnewspapers.com.au) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:56:28 +0800 Subject: [plug] hardware info In-Reply-To: <8718EBE52EC1D5119A1200B0D079D03D167C3C@hill.au.logica.com> References: <8718EBE52EC1D5119A1200B0D079D03D167C3C@hill.au.logica.com> Message-ID: <20020130035628.GC24193@geek.localnet> > Does anyone know of a program for Linux that will tell you all about the > system e.g. what cpu, amount of ram, etc? Something like what MSinfo does? If you want a GUI one, the KDE Control Center has a system info panel. Otherwise exploration of /proc will tell you a lot... but is far from friendly. lspci gives a PCI bus listing. Don't know of anything else personally. -- Craig Ringer IT Manager, POST Newspapers http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/ http://oberthur.dyndns.org/~craig/ GPG Key Fingerprint: AF1C ABFE 7E64 E9C8 FC27 C16E D3CE CDC0 0E93 380D -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From BuddrigeD at logica.com Wed Jan 30 12:01:28 2002 From: BuddrigeD at logica.com (Buddrige, David) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:01:28 +1100 Subject: [plug] hardware info Message-ID: <8718EBE52EC1D5119A1200B0D079D03D167C3D@hill.au.logica.com> thanks heaps to everyone who replied. /proc provides what I'm looking for. 8-) cheers David. > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Grasso [mailto:steveg at calm.wa.gov.au] > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 11:51 AM > To: plug at plug.linux.org.au > Subject: Re: [plug] hardware info > > > Hi David, > > Browsing the /proc file system from a web browser on the > local machine will > yield more than you want to know :) > > dmesg run after bootup will tell you a heap eg. from a Linux > boot disk (eg. > > For an example of what you can see from /proc, browse the > following from a > Linux machine: http://plug.linux.org.au/~steve/proc.html > > and what you can see using dmesg, the MBR rescue disk at > http://plug.linux.org.au/~steve/mbr.html > > HTH, > Steve > > On Wednesday 30 January 2002 11:38, Buddrige, David wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Does anyone know of a program for Linux that will tell you > all about the > > system e.g. what cpu, amount of ram, etc? Something like > what MSinfo does? > > > > thanks heaps > > > > David. > > > > This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended > > recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, > confidential > > information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It > should not be copied, > > disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you > are not an > > intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any > > attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. > This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Wed Jan 30 12:16:55 2002 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (craig at postnewspapers.com.au) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:16:55 +0800 Subject: [plug] X window as root window Message-ID: <20020130041653.GA10947@geek.localnet> Hi all A quick question I haven't been able to find a decent answer for anywhere on the 'net yet: Is there any way of making any X window display in the root window or does the program have to be specifically written to allow it? -- Craig Ringer IT Manager, POST Newspapers http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/ http://oberthur.dyndns.org/~craig/ GPG Key Fingerprint: AF1C ABFE 7E64 E9C8 FC27 C16E D3CE CDC0 0E93 380D -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm using iptables to log, just icq add requests for now, as follows :- iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -d ads.web.aol.com -j ICQ iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -d ads.icq.com -j ICQ ... iptables -t nat -A ICQ -p tcp -j LOG --log-level 5 --log-prefix "ICQ: " iptables -t nat -A ICQ -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.1 Using "grep ICQ /var/log/*" it returns nothing. If i type "dmesg" it returns thigns like:- ICQ: IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:a0:c9:8b:94:13:00:60:67:79:ae:a9:08:00 SRC=192.168.0.101 DST=152.163.226.185 LEN=48 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=128 ID=6936 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=4497 DPT=80 WINDOW=16384 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 I'm running Debian, with kernel 2.4.5 (woody). - Niffum From markn at enspace.com Wed Jan 30 17:04:42 2002 From: markn at enspace.com (Mark Nold) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:04:42 +0800 Subject: [plug] Telstra Bigpond Cable Message-ID: <01C1A9B0.361EA200.markn@enspace.com> Hi Is anyone here using Bigpong's Cable access with Linux? Any good stories / bad stories? mn From arkem at mornmist.2y.net Wed Jan 30 16:01:24 2002 From: arkem at mornmist.2y.net (Arkem (Paul)) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:01:24 +0800 Subject: [plug] Telstra Bigpond Cable In-Reply-To: <01C1A9B0.361EA200.markn@enspace.com> References: <01C1A9B0.361EA200.markn@enspace.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:04, Mark Nold wrote: > Hi > > Is anyone here using Bigpong's Cable access with Linux? > > Any good stories / bad stories? > > mn I don't use it myself (I'm on their ADSL) but I know they telstra has written and released a client for its cable services. Its available from their webpage somewhere and also on planetmirror.com and wireplay.com.au. - Paul From skribe at amber.com.au Wed Jan 30 17:04:53 2002 From: skribe at amber.com.au (skribe) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:04:53 +0800 Subject: [plug] Telstra Bigpond Cable In-Reply-To: <01C1A9B0.361EA200.markn@enspace.com> References: <01C1A9B0.361EA200.markn@enspace.com> Message-ID: <02013017045303.01751@oberon.amber.com.au> On Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:04, Mark Nold wrote: > Hi > > Is anyone here using Bigpong's Cable access with Linux? > > Any good stories / bad stories? I'm not sure this will help but there's some info in this thread on the forum: http://plug.linux.org.au/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&file=viewthread&tid=5 skribe -- Public key information available at: http://www.amber.com.au/~skribe/publickey.html Key fingerprint = A855 9CA3 953B 5195 C518 12F2 0E05 DCCD 5A88 E8A4 Slang is language that takes off its coat, spits on its hands, and goes to work. From fostware at iinet.net.au Wed Jan 30 18:16:57 2002 From: fostware at iinet.net.au (Craig Foster) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:16:57 +0800 Subject: [plug] FW: [e-smith-devinfo] Announcing the release of version 5.1 of the SME Server V5 Message-ID: For those not on the list, but attentive anyway... Regards, Craig Foster PS If you are gonna reply, trim the extra text - please! -----Original Message----- From: Dan York [mailto:dyork at e-smith.com] Sent: Wednesday, 30 January 2002 6:52 AM To: E-smith developers list Subject: [e-smith-devinfo] Announcing the release of version 5.1 of the SME Server V5 A number of the more attentive folks have already been pulling 5.1.2 from our ftp servers... but here is the formal announcement! :-) Enjoy, Dan P.S. Thanks again to everyone who tested the software and made it as great as it is! --------------------------------- Mitel Networks is pleased to announce the immediate availability of version 5.1 of the SME Server V5 . This document provides an overview of the product release. Additional information can be found in the Release Notes located on the CD. Features: --------- In addition to the normal updates to hardware drivers, version 5.1 includes a few minor bug fixes and security updates as well as the following new features: - Windows 2000 and XP domain logons - The SME Server can now act as a domain controller for users on Windows 2000 and XP systems. Previously, domain logon support was limited to Windows NT and 95/98/ME. - User quotas - Through a new web panel, you have the ability to set a limit on the amount of a disk space a user can use for files and e-mail. - USB printer support - It is now possible to connect the SME Server to a printer via the USB port. The printer configuration panel has also changed slightly. - Improved Macintosh file sharing support - The server now includes better support for Macintosh file sharing and eliminates some previous cases where Macintosh users were unable to access i-bays. - Experimental ISDN card support - While our software has always supported external ISDN adapters, this version now includes experimental support for using an internal passive ISDN card. - Rebranding of the user interface - The interface has a new look to it that incorporates the Mitel Networks name throughout. - Easier installation of blades - It is now easier to accept the licenses and the page refreshes to show the status of the installation. A new User Guide has also be created and is available in the "Documentation" directory on the CD or from our web site at: http://www.e-smith.org/docs/manual/ Software Downloads: ------------------- The software may be downloaded from the mirror sites listed at: http://www.e-smith.org/downloads/ You will notice that the CD has the version number 5.1.2. There were two internal releases that were not made publicly available. This 5.1.2 release is the first official release of version 5.1 of the SME Server V5. Notes: ------ You should be aware that there is one change in behavior between version 5.0 and 5.1.2: - FTP is now disabled by default - We decided to bring FTP in line with our other remote access services in that it is disabled by default. To enable FTP access to the server, you need to go to the "Remote access" panel in the server manager and change the setting for "FTP access limits". In version 5.0, the default setting was "Normal usage". Note that this setting is NOT changed during the upgrade process from version 5.0 to 5.1.2. If FTP was enabled in 5.0, it will remain enabled in 5.1.2. Additionally, if you are upgrading any servers from version 4.1.2, you should be aware of this change in behavior that first occurred in version 5.0: - Macintosh shared volumes now use the i-bay name - In version 4.1.2 and earlier, Macintosh users connecting to the server to access an i-bay saw the i-bay *description* in the Chooser. This behavior was inconsistent with Windows share names where the i-bay *name* is used. Version 5.0 corrected this inconsistency so that Macintosh users see the i- bay name in the Chooser. Note that if Macintosh users have placed shortcuts on their desktop linking to i-bays, those shortcuts will need to be updated to reflect the new name of the shared volume. -- Dan York, Product Line Manager, SME Server and ServiceLink Mitel Networks Corporation dan_york at mitel.com Ph: +1-613-751-4401 Cell: +1-613-263-4312 Fax: +1-613-564-7739 150 Metcalfe Street, Suite 1500, Ottawa,ON K2P 1P1 Canada http://www.mitel.com/sme/ and http://www.e-smith.com/ -- Please report bugs to bugs at e-smith.com Please mail security at e-smith.com (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to support at e-smith.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: devinfo-unsubscribe at lists.e-smith.org For additional commands, e-mail: devinfo-help at lists.e-smith.org Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 2228 bytes Desc: not available URL: From squirrel at emerge.net.au Wed Jan 30 21:05:07 2002 From: squirrel at emerge.net.au (Robert Andrews) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:05:07 +0800 Subject: [plug] Data Base Development Message-ID: <000e01c1a98e$be3b6be0$0301a8c0@peter> Hi all I develop Data Base Applications In a development system Called Magic this system is Internet Enabled. The system works fine under the Windows webserver However I have been trying for weeks to get it to function under Apache Linux I have exhausted all my contacts and I was hopeing somebody from the group may be of some help. below is the output of the Java Console from Internet explorer All files mentioned do exists in the said directory and have all possable permissions The Magic92Scripts directory is set as the ScriptAlias directory Skipping CAB: /Magic92Scripts/Launcher.cab due to: java.io.FileNotFoundException: squirrel-resources.com:80//Magic92Scripts/Launcher.cab java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: browserClient.launcher.Launcher at com/ms/vm/loader/URLClassLoader.loadClass at com/ms/vm/loader/URLClassLoader.loadClass at com/ms/applet/AppletPanel.processSentEvent at com/ms/applet/AppletPanel.processSentEvent at com/ms/applet/AppletPanel.run at java/lang/Thread.run Skipping CAB: /Magic92Scripts/MGBC920_01.cab due to: java.io.FileNotFoundException: squirrel-resources.com:80//Magic92Scripts/MGBC920_01.cab java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: browserClient.ClientManager at com/ms/vm/loader/URLClassLoader.loadClass at com/ms/vm/loader/URLClassLoader.loadClass at com/ms/applet/AppletPanel.processSentEvent at com/ms/applet/AppletPanel.processSentEvent at com/ms/applet/AppletPanel.run at java/lang/Thread.run From squirrel at emerge.net.au Wed Jan 30 21:25:56 2002 From: squirrel at emerge.net.au (Robert Andrews) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:25:56 +0800 Subject: [plug] go to previous directory Message-ID: <002301c1a991$a6bada20$0301a8c0@peter> Hi all; RedHat 6.2 Im useing bash if it makes a difference ? how do I undelete a file ? go to the last directory i was in i.e go back Thanks. From ryan at prodigital.net.au Wed Jan 30 21:33:32 2002 From: ryan at prodigital.net.au (Ryan) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:33:32 +0800 Subject: [plug] go to previous directory In-Reply-To: <002301c1a991$a6bada20$0301a8c0@peter> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020130213219.00a01290@10.10.10.1> > ? go to the last directory i was in i.e go back long way: cd ${OLDPWD} short way: cd ~- Ryan From squirrel at emerge.net.au Wed Jan 30 21:44:58 2002 From: squirrel at emerge.net.au (Robert Andrews) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:44:58 +0800 Subject: [plug] go to previous directory References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020130213219.00a01290@10.10.10.1> Message-ID: <003401c1a994$4f74e780$0301a8c0@peter> Wow thanks great that will save me a heap typeing ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan To: Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [plug] go to previous directory > > > ? go to the last directory i was in i.e go back > > long way: cd ${OLDPWD} > short way: cd ~- > > Ryan > > From batesy at batesy.net Wed Jan 30 22:00:40 2002 From: batesy at batesy.net (Jonathon Bates) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:00:40 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] Data Base Development In-Reply-To: <000e01c1a98e$be3b6be0$0301a8c0@peter> Message-ID: > Skipping CAB: /Magic92Scripts/Launcher.cab > due to: java.io.FileNotFoundException: > squirrel-resources.com:80//Magic92Scripts/Launcher.cab Check your conf file for scripted Alias and perhaps remove the trailing '/' for im guessing the problem is at squirrel-resources.com:80//Magic92Scripts/Launcher.cab squirrel-resources.com:80/Magic92Scripts/Launcher.cab Cheers Batesy From squirrel at emerge.net.au Wed Jan 30 22:12:01 2002 From: squirrel at emerge.net.au (Robert Andrews) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:12:01 +0800 Subject: [plug] Data Base Development References: Message-ID: <004401c1a998$5b3975a0$0301a8c0@peter> Thanks I tried it Results still the same and same java console error message should this line have httpd:// in the prefix squirrel-resources.com:80//Magic92Scripts/Launcher.cab or is this normal ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathon Bates To: Linux Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [plug] Data Base Development > > > Skipping CAB: /Magic92Scripts/Launcher.cab > > due to: java.io.FileNotFoundException: > > squirrel-resources.com:80//Magic92Scripts/Launcher.cab > > Check your conf file for scripted Alias and perhaps remove the trailing > '/' > for im guessing the problem is at > squirrel-resources.com:80//Magic92Scripts/Launcher.cab > > squirrel-resources.com:80/Magic92Scripts/Launcher.cab > > Cheers > Batesy > > > From markn at enspace.com Wed Jan 30 22:45:53 2002 From: markn at enspace.com (Mark Nold) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:45:53 +0800 Subject: [plug] Telstra Bigpond Cable In-Reply-To: <30010230.18435@webbox.com> References: <30010230.18435@webbox.com> Message-ID: <20020130144237.AAD6A7AB4@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Thanks Liam, What is the reliability like? I have some not so good things about ADSL with Telstra what can you say about their Cable system? mn On Wednesday 30 January 2002 21:07, Liam (Testius) wrote: > I use BPA Cable on redhat7.1 and have done on mandrake8.0 in > the past... at first I had some troubles becuase they gave me > a USB nic... but once I worked that out it was smooth sailing... > I use BPAlogin... try > http://bpalogin.sourceforge.net/ they also have a great tutorial > there. > > Cheers, > Liam. > > >Hi > > > >Is anyone here using Bigpong's Cable access with Linux? > > > >Any good stories / bad stories? > > > >mn > > Knowledge is the greatest power. From steveg at calm.wa.gov.au Thu Jan 31 08:54:47 2002 From: steveg at calm.wa.gov.au (Steve Grasso) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:54:47 +0800 Subject: [plug] go to previous directory In-Reply-To: <002301c1a991$a6bada20$0301a8c0@peter> References: <002301c1a991$a6bada20$0301a8c0@peter> Message-ID: <0201310854470G.00479@202.1.30.40> On Wednesday 30 January 2002 21:25, Robert Andrews wrote: > Hi all; > RedHat 6.2 > Im useing bash if it makes a difference > > ? how do I undelete a file Can be trivial, can be difficult. Some pointers here: http://plug.linux.org.au/~steve/mbr.html#deleted Regards, Steve From myk at golden.wattle.id.au Thu Jan 31 09:43:08 2002 From: myk at golden.wattle.id.au (Mike Holland) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:43:08 +0800 (WST) Subject: [plug] go to previous directory In-Reply-To: <002301c1a991$a6bada20$0301a8c0@peter> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Robert Andrews wrote: > Hi all; > RedHat 6.2 > Im useing bash if it makes a difference > > ? how do I undelete a file The traditional way is to restore from your daily backup tape. For a home user, you might have a cron job to create a backup tar file of your home directory (and any other important bits) each night, and burn it to CD occasionally. Otherwise, how desperate are you? See http://www.google.com/linux > ? go to the last directory i was in i.e go back See pushd and popd in your manual. In zsh, I use "setopt autopushd" to automatically remember a number of dirs in a stack. Then I can "popd" at any time to go back. Bash probably has something similar by now. MAIN ADVICE: read your shell manual! It really is worth it. -- All things are possible, except for skiing through a revolving door. From andrew at belzedar.leederville.it.net.au Thu Jan 31 10:38:22 2002 From: andrew at belzedar.leederville.it.net.au (Andrew Howell) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:38:22 +0800 Subject: [plug] traffic requirements for woody mirror In-Reply-To: <1011947003.2725.38.camel@typhaon> References: <20020125154947.A8269@postoffice.wa.bom.gov.au> <1011947003.2725.38.camel@typhaon> Message-ID: <20020131023822.GA1984@belzedar> We run ftp.wa.au.debian.org and mirror all the architectures and dists. It's around 500 MB a day in traffic. The mirror is currently about 42 GB non-US being another 2 GB. Andrew On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 04:23:23PM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote: > On Fri, 2002-01-25 at 15:49, Russell Steicke wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > Someone at work has setup a mirror of RedHat and Mandrake update RPMs > > (for internal use only). I'd like to get a debian archive added to the > > list. Actually doing the mirror via rsync is easy and well documented. > > > > But I'd like to know what the traffic requirements are for maintaining a > > woody archive: how many MB per week is used in updating things? > > > > And I believe that UWA has a debian mirror. If I turn up at one of the > > UCC meetings, would they let me copy lots of the debian mirror to my > > laptop so I could "seed" the work mirror? (I imagine the powers would > > be more likely to say yes to my request for a debian mirror if the > > initial archive could be got for nothing.) > > ftp.uwa.edu.au - it's all there. I have dropped a few architectures - > after I had a look at the FTP logs I discovered nobody uses them and we > were running out of disk space. > > You'll need a lot of space free, and be warned that UCC only has 10Mb > through to the UWA network so it'll take hours as well. > > -- > Grahame Bowland Email: grahame at ucs.uwa.edu.au > University Communications Services Phone: +61 8 9380 1175 > The University of Western Australia Fax: +61 8 9380 1109 > CRICOS: 00126G -- Andrew Howell Managing Director Informed Technology E-mail: andrew at it.net.au Ph: 08 9380 4244 Fax: 08 9380 4354 From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Thu Jan 31 11:49:15 2002 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 03:49:15 +0000 Subject: [plug] traffic requirements for woody mirror In-Reply-To: <20020131023822.GA1984@belzedar> References: <1011947003.2725.38.camel@typhaon> <20020125154947.A8269@postoffice.wa.bom.gov.au> <1011947003.2725.38.camel@typhaon> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020131031845.009f5520@decisions-and-designs.com.au> At the PLUG meeting at UCC on Monday night I fetched most of the UWA debian mirror and should be dropping back this afternoon to finish the job; given a servicable motor car. James B. let me use a very neat script using rsync to slurp the mirror from UWA ftp and which I can use through my 56K dialup to (hopefully) keep my mirror up to date. When Andrew says the mirror is 42GB, this is probably all architectures (or does it include source?). The James B. cunning script has a separate exclusion text file so I'm only getting the i386 parts of the mirror; no source. Total US and non-US mirror for i386 is currently 6.8GB which is a bit more manageable. If you want to go with this, I could probably connect up to your machine with a crossover cable and drop the mirror across at 100mbits which would be pretty swift. If you want to maintain it you could ask James B. nicely for the use of his script. If Andrew sees traffic of 500MB for the full 42GB mirror a quick and dirty calculation suggests traffic will be 1/7 of 500 or about 70MB a day; less that 4 hours at 56K. Is this a useful assumption .. anyone ? All the best Harry At 02:38 31/01/02 , you wrote: >We run ftp.wa.au.debian.org and mirror all the architectures and dists. > >It's around 500 MB a day in traffic. > >The mirror is currently about 42 GB >non-US being another 2 GB. > >Andrew > >On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 04:23:23PM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote: > > On Fri, 2002-01-25 at 15:49, Russell Steicke wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > But I'd like to know what the traffic requirements are for maintaining a > > > woody archive: how many MB per week is used in updating things? > > > > >-- >Andrew Howell >Managing Director >Informed Technology >E-mail: andrew at it.net.au >Ph: 08 9380 4244 Fax: 08 9380 4354 From Adrian at Diskworld.com.au Thu Jan 31 12:28:34 2002 From: Adrian at Diskworld.com.au (Adrian Woodley) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:28:34 +0800 Subject: [plug] Cause for Concern? Message-ID: G'Day, The following is an extract from a netstat -lp. Should I be concered that privilidged processes are running on high udp ports? Looks sus to me. udp 0 0 PinkFloyd:32961 *:* 4911/smbd udp 0 0 *:32982 *:* 15125/named Any advice? Cheers, Adrian From andrew at belzedar.leederville.it.net.au Thu Jan 31 13:16:58 2002 From: andrew at belzedar.leederville.it.net.au (Andrew Howell) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:16:58 +0800 Subject: [plug] traffic requirements for woody mirror In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020131031845.009f5520@decisions-and-designs.com.au> References: <1011947003.2725.38.camel@typhaon> <20020125154947.A8269@postoffice.wa.bom.gov.au> <1011947003.2725.38.camel@typhaon> <4.2.0.58.20020131031845.009f5520@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <20020131051658.GB2624@belzedar> On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 03:49:15AM +0000, Harry McNally wrote: > At the PLUG meeting at UCC on Monday night I fetched most of the UWA debian > mirror and should be dropping back this afternoon to finish the job; given > a servicable motor car. > > James B. let me use a very neat script using rsync to slurp the mirror from > UWA ftp and which I can use through my 56K dialup to (hopefully) keep my > mirror up to date. When Andrew says the mirror is 42GB, this is probably > all architectures (or does it include source?). The James B. cunning script > has a separate exclusion text file so I'm only getting the i386 parts of > the mirror; no source. Includes source -- Andrew Howell Managing Director Informed Technology E-mail: andrew at it.net.au Ph: 08 9380 4244 Fax: 08 9380 4354 From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Thu Jan 31 13:49:30 2002 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 05:49:30 +0000 Subject: [plug] traffic requirements for woody mirror In-Reply-To: <20020131051658.GB2624@belzedar> References: <4.2.0.58.20020131031845.009f5520@decisions-and-designs.com.au> <1011947003.2725.38.camel@typhaon> <20020125154947.A8269@postoffice.wa.bom.gov.au> <1011947003.2725.38.camel@typhaon> <4.2.0.58.20020131031845.009f5520@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020131054227.009f3430@decisions-and-designs.com.au> At 05:16 31/01/02 , you wrote: >On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 03:49:15AM +0000, Harry McNally wrote: > > At the PLUG meeting at UCC on Monday night I fetched most of the UWA > debian > > mirror and should be dropping back this afternoon to finish the job; given > > a servicable motor car. > > > > James B. let me use a very neat script using rsync to slurp the mirror > from > > UWA ftp and which I can use through my 56K dialup to (hopefully) keep my > > mirror up to date. When Andrew says the mirror is 42GB, this is probably > > all architectures (or does it include source?). The James B. cunning > script > > has a separate exclusion text file so I'm only getting the i386 parts of > > the mirror; no source. > >Includes source Ah. Ok. Well praps Russell could mirror binaries and fetch down source of individual packages that he wants to examine or tweak ? I guess the rsync script could be a dynamic beast in that a small group of source packages of interest could be removed from the exclusion list when you want to observe changes. Out of interest, Andrew, would a PLUG talk be possible that explains how you manage your mirror and the way you make use of it (including source); without delving too deeply into your companies activities (if that is feasible) ? All the best Harry From elvizdapelviz at hotmail.com Thu Jan 31 13:41:58 2002 From: elvizdapelviz at hotmail.com (ElViZ) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:41:58 +0800 Subject: [plug] Telstra Bigpond Cable References: <30010230.18435@webbox.com> <20020130144237.AAD6A7AB4@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Message-ID: I'm using bigpond adsl and to be honest I've found very reliable. A year ago there was a month of problems of which telstra refunded about 90% of the bill, but since there has been minimal problems. I had bad connection speeds a month or so which was cause by me severing my phone line a couple of times(building a garage) and telstra replaced the line for free. Overall I think it's a good service. Why thankyuo ElViZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Nold" To: "Liam (Testius)" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 10:45 PM Subject: Re: [plug] Telstra Bigpond Cable > Thanks Liam, > > What is the reliability like? I have some not so good things about ADSL with > Telstra what can you say about their Cable system? > > mn > > > On Wednesday 30 January 2002 21:07, Liam (Testius) wrote: > > I use BPA Cable on redhat7.1 and have done on mandrake8.0 in > > the past... at first I had some troubles becuase they gave me > > a USB nic... but once I worked that out it was smooth sailing... > > I use BPAlogin... try > > http://bpalogin.sourceforge.net/ they also have a great tutorial > > there. > > > > Cheers, > > Liam. > > > > >Hi > > > > > >Is anyone here using Bigpong's Cable access with Linux? > > > > > >Any good stories / bad stories? > > > > > >mn > > > > Knowledge is the greatest power. > > From apamment at yahoo.com Thu Jan 31 13:57:22 2002 From: apamment at yahoo.com (Andrew Pamment) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:57:22 +0800 Subject: [plug] Telstra Bigpond Cable References: <30010230.18435@webbox.com> <20020130144237.AAD6A7AB4@spark.plug.linux.org.au> Message-ID: <3C58DCC2.4060708@yahoo.com> Well, you know, when you cut your phoneline you have to expect a decrease in performance. I mean, I have trouble connecting with my 56k modem when there isn't a phoneline attached, but thats proberly because it was a cheap one. Still, it's good they replaced it for free. Andrew ElViZ wrote: > I'm using bigpond adsl and to be honest I've found very reliable. > A year ago there was a month of problems of which telstra refunded about 90% > of the bill, but since there has been minimal problems. I had bad > connection speeds a month or so which was cause by me severing my phone line > a couple of times(building a garage) and telstra replaced the line for free. > Overall I think it's a good service. > Why thankyuo > ElViZ From Andrew at mmtnetworks.com.au Thu Jan 31 16:16:56 2002 From: Andrew at mmtnetworks.com.au (Andrew Barbara) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:16:56 +0800 Subject: [plug] Modules Message-ID: Hi, Whenever i try to incert any modules into the kernel it comes up with the following errors... bilbo:/lib/modules/2.2.19pre17# insmod sonycd535 Using /lib/modules/2.2.19pre17/cdrom/sonycd535.o /lib/modules/2.2.19pre17/cdrom/sonycd535.o: unresolved symbol interruptible_sleep_on_Rb3739eab /lib/modules/2.2.19pre17/cdrom/sonycd535.o: unresolved symbol end_that_request_first_Ra78e28de /lib/modules/2.2.19pre17/cdrom/sonycd535.o: unresolved symbol register_blkdev_R6d62724a /lib/modules/2.2.19pre17/cdrom/sonycd535.o: unresolved symbol printk_Rdd132261 /lib/modules/2.2.19pre17/cdrom/sonycd535.o: unresolved symbol blk_dev_Rcc88709d /lib/modules/2.2.19pre17/cdrom/sonycd535.o: unresolved symbol block_write_R2c3c0b01 /lib/modules/2.2.19pre17/cdrom/sonycd535.o: unresolved symbol end_that_request_last_R310b586c /lib/modules/2.2.19pre17/cdrom/sonycd535.o: unresolved symbol block_read_R57d15f64 /lib/modules/2.2.19pre17/cdrom/sonycd535.o: unresolved symbol __wake_up_R054dfe54 I have tryed about 10 different modules, im running debian potato. Thanks. Andrew Barbara, MCP MMT Networks Pty Ltd http://www.mmtnetworks.com.au -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: TEXT.htm URL: From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Thu Jan 31 15:51:21 2002 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (craig at postnewspapers.com.au) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:51:21 +0800 Subject: [plug] Telstra Bigpond Cable In-Reply-To: <01C1A9B0.361EA200.markn@enspace.com> References: <01C1A9B0.361EA200.markn@enspace.com> Message-ID: <20020131075121.GB30173@geek.localnet> > Is anyone here using Bigpong's Cable access with Linux? That's me! > Any good stories / bad stories? Both. Telstra are upping prices - again. Some people have been bitten _twice_ by this. They're telling me to either [1] pay $20/month more for the same service (ok, uncapped but not relevant here) or [2] pay the same for a lesser service. They say 'but we removed the speed caps' but I DONT'T CARE, they haven't given me the option of hanging on to my existing plan until contract termination. So I'm less than happy with them policy- and behavior-wise. OHOH their network service has been acceptable. Not exemplary, there have been problems, but most of them I've been able to bypass by tricks like using a non-telstra secondary DNS server and a local caching DNS, or swearing until they go away :-/ Overall, though, there have been very few problems, the network is fast (occasionally high-latency on busy periods but that doesn't affect me much, the throughput sticks to 25KBps-30KBps reliably.) So if you're looking for a decent service who'll charge you a couple of hundred for installation and then try to screw you for more money in another month or two, go for Telstra. Oh, and a tip: if you do go for cable, BE SURE to download the program "BPALogin" if you want to run a linux firewall, or have your linux box connected directly. Otherwise the link will come up and the gateway will drop all packets for forwarding from you. BPA Login authenticates the connection using the Telstra protocols, opening up the gateway/router. They won't install unless you have a computer running windows. Full stop. I had a long-running battle about this because the idiot I first spoke to told me the techs would do the hardware install, a test using their laptop, and let me do the software if I wanted a linux install. Pfft. They actually take away the hardware again, even if their laptop test goes ok, unless they can install the software on a Windows computer and see it working. *arrggh*. In summary: Telstra are scum, but if you can live with that the service is quite good. -- Craig Ringer IT Manager, POST Newspapers http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/ http://oberthur.dyndns.org/~craig/ GPG Key Fingerprint: AF1C ABFE 7E64 E9C8 FC27 C16E D3CE CDC0 0E93 380D -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Thu Jan 31 15:59:12 2002 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (craig at postnewspapers.com.au) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:59:12 +0800 Subject: [plug] go to previous directory In-Reply-To: <002301c1a991$a6bada20$0301a8c0@peter> References: <002301c1a991$a6bada20$0301a8c0@peter> Message-ID: <20020131075912.GA30442@geek.localnet> > ? how do I undelete a file You don't. Not the same way you can in Windows and MacOS with 3rd party tools like Norton. (3rd party *nix tools may do it but I don't think so). There _are_ filesystems for some *nix flavours that support file versioning, and they generally have an undelete. If you're _really_ desparate and the file has some fairly unique text strings in it you can grep your hdd partition for it (*ick*) and dd off the surrounding blocks. That may let you recover some/all of the info but it won't be pretty. The only real way: BACKUPS > ? go to the last directory i was in i.e go back cd - you don't need the ~-, just - is good enough. typing "cd" alone on the command line is eqivalent to cd ~/ too. -- Craig Ringer IT Manager, POST Newspapers http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/ http://oberthur.dyndns.org/~craig/ GPG Key Fingerprint: AF1C ABFE 7E64 E9C8 FC27 C16E D3CE CDC0 0E93 380D -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From apamment at yahoo.com Thu Jan 31 16:07:17 2002 From: apamment at yahoo.com (Andrew Pamment) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:07:17 +0800 Subject: [plug] kswapd Message-ID: <3C58FB35.2070906@yahoo.com> ok, um can someone help me? why does kswapd feel the need to take over my cpu after a little while? I'm just pottering along and suddenly gkrellm is at 100% cpu usage and top says that it is all kswapd's fault. this is ok, except it wont give it back. and i dont think it's wise to kill, but i tried anyway but it wouldn't die, so i rebooted and it said my /dev/hda2 was busy so it wouldn't unmount and so it needed to go through fsck. i'm using 2.4.13 is this an evil kernel? is it really secretly inventing weapons of mass destruction with my naieve athlon who wouldn't know any better that to just do as it's told? do i need to get 2.4.17? andrew From apamment at yahoo.com Thu Jan 31 16:09:15 2002 From: apamment at yahoo.com (Andrew Pamment) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:09:15 +0800 Subject: [plug] kswapd References: <3C58FB35.2070906@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3C58FBAB.2080001@yahoo.com> I knew it! it was making weapons of mass destruction! the minute i clicked send it gave it back!! it realized it had been found out! well, now that it knows that i know, i should be right, sorry for the inconveniance andrew Andrew Pamment wrote: > ok, um can someone help me? > > why does kswapd feel the need to take over my cpu after a little while? > I'm just pottering along and suddenly gkrellm is at 100% cpu usage and > top says that it is all kswapd's fault. this is ok, except it wont give > it back. and i dont think it's wise to kill, but i tried anyway but it > wouldn't die, so i rebooted and it said my /dev/hda2 was busy so it > wouldn't unmount and so it needed to go through fsck. i'm using 2.4.13 > is this an evil kernel? is it really secretly inventing weapons of mass > destruction with my naieve athlon who wouldn't know any better that to > just do as it's told? do i need to get 2.4.17? > > andrew > From elvizdapelviz at hotmail.com Thu Jan 31 16:11:57 2002 From: elvizdapelviz at hotmail.com (ElViZ) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:11:57 +0800 Subject: [plug] Telstra Bigpond Cable References: <01C1A9B0.361EA200.markn@enspace.com> <20020131075121.GB30173@geek.localnet> Message-ID: Yes its true the prices are going up, AFAIK the plan I'm on is going up by $20 without removing the cap http://www.bigpond.com/PressRelease/bbADSL which is definately not an increase in value. On a different tangent, there is talk of optus releasing 6Mbit adsl with optusvision shortly. http://whirlpool.net.au/article.cfm/698 Why thankyuo ElViZ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [plug] Telstra Bigpond Cable From Jeremy at Malcolm.wattle.id.au Thu Jan 31 18:10:45 2002 From: Jeremy at Malcolm.wattle.id.au (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:10:45 +0800 Subject: [plug] X window as root window References: <20020130041653.GA10947@geek.localnet> Message-ID: <3C591825.C496FD30@Malcolm.wattle.id.au> craig at postnewspapers.com.au wrote: > > Hi all > A quick question I haven't been able to find a decent answer for > anywhere on the 'net yet: > > Is there any way of making any X window display in the root window or > does the program have to be specifically written to allow it? No, it has to be specifically written to allow it. Try running it with --root option. If it works, great. If not, it's not a hard feature for the developer to add so try asking. As an aside, anything that will run in the root window can also be used as a screensaver. It's just a matter of adding it to xscreensaver's resources file. -- JEREMY MALCOLM http://malcolm.wattle.id.au Providing online networks of Australian lawyers (http://www.ilaw.com.au) and Linux experts (http://www.linuxconsultants.com.au) for instant help! Disclaimer: http://www.terminus.net.au/disclaimer.html. GPG key: finger. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 2071 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From leon at brooks.fdns.net Thu Jan 31 22:00:26 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:00:26 +0800 Subject: [plug] interesting... In-Reply-To: <3C4EC417.6010409@whatever.iinet.net.au> References: <3C4EC417.6010409@whatever.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <20020131140126.C411C32541F@mail.old-firestation.net> On Wednesday 23 January 2002 22:09, Jason Belcher wrote: > Am I the only one who finds it interesting that > http://www.windows2000test.com/ which was previously used by Microsoft > as a hacking challenge for Windows 2000 and Windows XP, currently has a > default Debian/Apache installation page on it? No, it currently resolves to 0.0.0.0 which is a global broadcast address and probably resolves to your own machine. (-: Interesting that in reverse DNS it calls itself testwindowsxp.net; but of a headscratcher. textwindowsxp.net also resolves to 0.0.0.0 Cheers; Leon From leon at brooks.fdns.net Thu Jan 31 22:10:44 2002 From: leon at brooks.fdns.net (Leon Brooks) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:10:44 +0800 Subject: [plug] Mouses, Mice ? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020125054355.009d9490@decisions-and-designs.com.au> References: <4.2.0.58.20020125054355.009d9490@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <20020131141145.6209C32541F@mail.old-firestation.net> On Friday 25 January 2002 13:49, Harry McNally wrote: > Computer Angels are getting machines together but we have bit if a mouse > drought. > Does anyone have any old mice they can donate ? Yes. Only a few, all 3-button DB9s. I think I have a couple of DB9/PS2 adaptors but can't remember which way they went, I think DB9 was the computer end. I also have a broken (crushed microswitch) Honeywell ``foot'' mouse that I'd like to see live again, if CA happen to have other dead ones of those to hand. Cheers; Leon From ryan at prodigital.net.au Thu Jan 31 22:29:58 2002 From: ryan at prodigital.net.au (Ryan) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:29:58 +0800 Subject: [plug] vncserver and window managers Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020131221921.00a2e150@10.10.10.1> Howdy pluggers, Been a few years since I've used vncserver in Linux and it has changed a bit :) The problem is I get no window manager on the remote screen, just the plain old X root window and a cursor. /etc/vnc.conf the global config file has a variable $vncStartup which I have set to "/etc/X11/Xsession" (and various other things). None work and the only documentation I can find says the above should work, or to specify commands to run on startup in ~/.vnc/xstartup - which is for older versions of the server. Any ideas? Furthering this (assuming I get it working) - can programs running within :0.0 locally be moved into VNC X sessions or is it possible for the local :0.0 session to be 'shared' with a VNC session like MS Windoze does it? Ryan From rjp at belle.apana.org.au Tue Jan 15 10:52:42 2002 From: rjp at belle.apana.org.au (Russ Pitman) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:52:42 +0800 Subject: [plug] LAN access to the 'net. Message-ID: <20020115025242.GA2753@belle.apana.org.au> My gateway machine logs in via ippp0 and works fine,but I cannot get out to the outside world from the workstation. The gateway runs debian woody. ifconfig returns ippp0 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol inet addr:203.11.114.185 P-t-P:203.11.114.5 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:7451 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:7466 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:30 RX bytes:8002028 (7.6 MiB) TX bytes:607162 (592.9 KiB) route -n returns Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 203.11.114.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 ippp0 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 ippp0 /etc/network/interfaces contains # (network, broadcast and gateway are optional) auto eth0 iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.1.1 # netmask 255.255.255.248 # I tried both these # netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.1.0 broadcast 192.168.1.255 The workstation runs debian sid ifconfig confirms that eth0 is up route -n returns Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 /etc/network/interfaces contains # (network, broadcast and gateway are optional) auto eth0 iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.1.1 # netmask 255.255.255.248 # I tried both these # netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.1.0 broadcast 192.168.1.255 gateway 192.168.1.1 # gateway 203.11.114.0 # This errored as expected # echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward has been run on both boxes, tho it is also run as part of the boot scripts I can ping any local address and the ippp0 gateway 203.11.114.0 but none other. I know that a similiar problem was discussed some time ago on the list but was unable to find the thread. Would someone point me to the thread or better still tell me what I am missing. TIA, -- russ linux.conf.au 2003 The Australian Linux Technical Conference http://linux.conf.au/ 22-25 January 2003 in Perth, Western Australia From rjp at belle.apana.org.au Tue Jan 15 12:26:26 2002 From: rjp at belle.apana.org.au (Russ Pitman) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:26:26 +0800 Subject: [plug] LAN access to the 'net. In-Reply-To: <3DCC8AD0.8050205@paradigmit.com.au> References: <20020115025242.GA2753@belle.apana.org.au> <3DCC8AD0.8050205@paradigmit.com.au> Message-ID: <20020115042626.GA3038@belle.apana.org.au> On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 12:10:56PM +0800, Brian Tombleson wrote: > >route -n returns > > > >Kernel IP routing table > >Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use > >Iface > >203.11.114.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 > >ippp0 > >192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 > >eth0 > >0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 > >ippp0 > > [Probably] > Your ppp0 wants to be the default route. Try adding the line > 'defaultroute' to your /etc/ppp/options file > ('man pppd' for more details) then dropping the link and bringing it back > up again. > > HTH > > - Brian. I should have been more explicit, sorry, My connection is ISDN DoV . I don't think that /etc/ppp/options comes into play. There is an ioptions file which debian says it does'nt use. Thanks anyway, -- russ linux.conf.au 2003 The Australian Linux Technical Conference http://linux.conf.au/ 22-25 January 2003 in Perth, Western Australia From rjp at belle.apana.org.au Tue Jan 15 17:02:49 2002 From: rjp at belle.apana.org.au (Russ Pitman) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:02:49 +0800 Subject: [plug] LAN access to the 'net. In-Reply-To: <20021109092033.GA308045@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20020115025242.GA2753@belle.apana.org.au> <20021109092033.GA308045@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20020115090249.GA3308@belle.apana.org.au> On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 05:20:33PM +0800, Trent Lloyd wrote: > iptables -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -t nat -j MASQUERADE > probably what u neeed (and each boot, consider init.d script or pppup.d > Big snip--- > > > I tried that using ippp0 instead of ppp0. No complaints from the system so I guess that could be included in a firewall script at boot. ATM no firewall is running. Still cannot ping any 203.xx.xx.xx ip's from the workstation :-( Cheers -- russ linux.conf.au 2003 The Australian Linux Technical Conference http://linux.conf.au/ 22-25 January 2003 in Perth, Western Australia