[plug] [OT] Vista is a serious mess?
Daniel Pearson (Flashware Solutions)
daniel at flashware.net
Thu Mar 15 08:49:57 WST 2007
Likewise, I've been using it every so often to test some software
compatability for a customer, and (heh heh) running on a 13" MacBook with
1gb RAM it runs without issues.. and using Aero too.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Hewitt" <ahewitt at ursys.com.au>
To: <plug at plug.org.au>
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [plug] [OT] Vista is a serious mess?
> On 14/03/2007, at 11:34 PM, Jonathan Young wrote:
>> caston at arach.net.au wrote:
>>> I quoted a customer for a new system recently being careful to quote
>>> them for XP instead of Vista yet on advice from their accountant they
>>> decided to flexi-rent a HP Media centre PC from Harvey Normans running
>>> Vista retailed for more than double my quote. The setup was terrible.
>>> IE kept failing to respond and had to be shutdown sometimes taking
>>> nearly 5 minutes. The system was utterly sluggish. Took a lot of
>>> tweaking to get it to play right with Telstra NextG USB wireless
>>> device. The system was behaving like most OS's behave when they have
>>> bad RAM but I ran memtest86 over it and found no problems. In the end I
>>> sold them a OEM copy of XP, nuked the Vista install and put XP on. The
>>> XP installed worked fine. SO to try and bring this ontopic I don't
>>> think Linux is going to have much trouble competing with Vista. They
>>> have really laid a turd with this one. However I admit I am yet to try
>>> Vista on a PC with more than 1gb of RAM. With Vista 1gb RAM could be
>>> the new 256 or even 128mb. I have yet to meet a customer that is happy
>>> with Vista even when it does seem to run OK. As one customer said "it
>>> slows everything down". best regards, Chris
>> I have to reply to this if only to say that all my initial encounters
>> are coming back the same with most people claiming 2Gb or even 4Gb is
>> required and generally being disappointed with their purchase.
>> To quote a friend of mine who has a knack for summing things up nicely,
>> I recently heard him say, "Microsoft Windows Vista: Putting the 'meh'
>> in 'wow' since 2007."
>> Personally I'm going to try and avoid it for at least the next six
>> months... and then some.
> I have to say that I have been trialing Vista since it was in Alpha
> stages all the way through to the final release and I have had a very
> different experience than those that have been described here.
> My system is an AMD64 3000+, 1.5GB RAM, Radeon X700SE and an nVidia
> nForce3 motherboard with SATA and IDE RAID. The installation of *every*
> version worked flawlessly and the user experience has been awesome. My
> computer came in at a ranking of 3.5/5 (from memory) and all the Aero
> goodness was turned on by default. I ran a few 3DMark05 tests under
> Windows XP and Vista and the results were within 20 points on either
> OS...Strangely enough I also tried running the test with all the Aero
> goodness turned off and the scores were lower. Some of the new UI took a
> little while to get used to but I find it much more functional than with
> XP or before. I also found it to be very snappy as far as speed is
> On the other hand I installed Ubuntu on my laptop thinking that it had
> come time for me to switch back to Linux as my primary desktop for work
> (I am lucky enough to work at a company where desktop linux is not only
> encouraged it is practically a requirement) and I was highly
> disappointed. The main killer for me was that syncing my o2 XDA II Mini
> was simply not possible. I spent a good few hours getting all of the
> components working as they should and I could "sync" however I had the
> same problem that apparently a large number of other people had where the
> sync would apparently work but not actually sync anything. I also had to
> go through a lengthy process to get Beryl and XGL to work and despite
> being cool there were a lot of options which were totally useless such as
> the wobbly windows (yes I am aware that these options are all
> configurable), and others that were just stupid such as the transparent
> window borders. While Vista keeps a translucent outline around the window
> title, beryl makes the entire window border transparent (if you have
> selected it) which makes the title unreadable if you have the title over
> the top of other writing or windows.
> So after spending a day or so trying to get everything working as I
> needed it in Ubuntu, I removed it. In my experience I would say that
> Vista is an excellent update to the windows family, very stable and
> usable, and Linux (at least Ubuntu) still has a very long way to go.
> Before you pass judgements on potential bias, I have the Linux Certified
> Administrator and RHCE certs and have worked with Linux in a professional
> capacity for over 6 years. I also had Debian as my desktop at home for a
> couple of years which I used to play games with Winex....The fact is that
> my requirements have changed and desktop linux seems to have stagnated.
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