From onno at itmaze.com.au  Wed Dec  2 07:34:01 2020
From: onno at itmaze.com.au (Onno Benschop)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 07:34:01 +0800
Subject: [plug] Buy Linux laptop
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References: <ed60ba86-7bbf-bf13-db88-d457020bada1@oranges.id.au>
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This thread is a month old and I've only just seen it, so forgive the late
reply, but I'd like to share how I've dealt with it, by not dealing with it.

My last "Linux" laptop was the last IBM Thinkpad. After years of banging my
head against a wall needing to recompile kernels and kernel modules I'd had
enough and embarked on an adventure.

I purchased a Macbook Pro in 2009. It runs (still, after adding a new SSD
and a new battery) standard MacOS and VMware. Inside VMware I run as many
different flavours of Linux as I need. When I bought an iMac in 2015, I
installed VMware, dragged the images across and continued working. I'm
about to blow away the entire drive, install a virgin copy of the latest
MacOS, the latest VMware and drag the images back and continue to work.

I have made one concession to a vanilla MacOS, the installation of
homebrew, for the specific purpose of automating the creation of a
docker-machine as a VMware guest.

>From this process I've gained the ability to "try" a new distro, without
needing to add drives or blow away my install. I've been able to test an
upgrade by creating a VMware snapshot before doing the upgrade and seeing
what happened before being stuck. I don't recall the last time I have
recompiled a kernel, nor have I come across any incompatibilities. I run
external USB devices, like RTL-SDR dongles, in-built hardware like the
webcam and the like all within Linux without any issues.

I can allocate as much or as little RAM or CPU cores to each virtual
machine as is needed. Right now my iMac has 64 Gb of RAM, it's running my
main desktop machine, my docker machine, a folding at home machine and in a
moment when I start my day I'll fire up a machine that's been created
specifically for a client project without any chance of information leaking
in either direction. When I do my GST, I'll fire up my accounting machine.
For hobby work I have several amateur radio machines, a cross-compiler, a
logging machine and several other operating systems like Windows and
Android.

I've not ever come across a situation where I needed 100% of the CPU for
100% of the time, so I'm extremely satisfied with this implementation.

I've been hearing interesting benchmark comments about Apple's new chips
and it appears that even in emulated mode they run faster than native
Intel. As a bonus I'll likely be able to run native ARM virtual machines at
the same time. This will no doubt make my cross-compilation a whole lot
easier ;-)

In my 11 year experience in using this solution, you can use VMware as your
main hosting platform within another operating system. I've not tried this
under Windows and I'm not happy about how Microsoft manages updates, so I'm
likely to stick with Apple for the foreseeable future.

If you have questions, feel free to ask.

Onno

On Sun, 1 Nov 2020 at 18:43, Byron Hammond <byronester at gmail.com> wrote:

> I also thought the Gen7 X1 Carbon was a gift price.
> Am happy with it so far.
> Fingerprint scanner works too which is a nice bonus
>
>
> from my mobile
>
> On Sun, 1 Nov 2020, 6:29 pm Gregory Orange, <home at oranges.id.au> wrote:
>
>> (got a bounce on 22/10, trying again)
>>
>> Thanks everyone for the input. I had a lot of options in the end, and
>> Star Labs were close to the top. In the end I *just* missed a ThinkPad X1
>> Carbon Gen 8 great price yesterday, but the price on a Gen 7 with almost
>> identical specs was still great for me, so I've bought it.
>>
>> I'll (try not to) see if Black Friday deals make me regret my haste!
>>
>> Greg.
>>
>>
>> On 20/10/20 4:34 pm, Gregory Orange wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi everyone,
>> > I'm looking to buy a <2kg Linux laptop. This time around, I'd like 99%
>> hardware support, particularly including lid open and close, suspend and
>> resume, because that's the killer feature of my crusty MBP. What are the
>> chances of that with LXDE, or perhaps LXQt now Lubuntu LTS ships with that?
>> >
>> > I don't mind using another distro. 1080p preferable. External
>> monitor(s) required. I don't know much about docks, but I suppose that's a
>> good idea.
>> >
>> > https://certification.ubuntu.com/desktop looks useful - I could spend
>> a bunch of time sifting through options to see what's available in AU. No
>> surprises that Dell and Lenovo feature there.
>> >
>> > Any thoughts? Where to buy?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Greg.
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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From msrwood at gmail.com  Sat Dec  5 12:03:47 2020
From: msrwood at gmail.com (M S R Wood)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2020 12:03:47 +0800
Subject: [plug] Reminder - PLUG+POSH BBQ
Message-ID: <CANerqP3rSq-Z8RptoA4zDbfRaCOeSaqF0TtMkAxYdygNSrD-+w@mail.gmail.com>

Sunday 13th December 11;00 - PLUG+POSH BBQ
May Drive Parkland, May Dr, Kings Park WA 6005, Australia
(formerly Synergy Parkland, next to Zamia caf?)
Social casual event, bring your partner, family and friends. Non
members are welcome. We will provide a variety of BBQ cooked food and
drink. Bring your own chairs/picnic rug. Come celebrate the end of
year with us!

Be sure to RSVP including number of guests by midday on Saturday 12th
December (meetup or email to committee at plug.org.au) so you don't miss
out on food and drinks and let us know if you have special dietary
requirements.

Sunday 13th December after the BBQ - PLUG+POSH Hack afternoon
Artifactory,Unit 8 / 16 Guthrie Street, Osborne Park, WA, 6017

Margaret
PLUG Commitee member

From alastair at plug.org.au  Mon Dec 14 14:52:27 2020
From: alastair at plug.org.au (Alastair Irvine)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:52:27 +0800
Subject: [plug] Methods for intruder detection
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References: <CA+1ygOZu35+-YbJHeSQbz_PCnfyXnV=5iEpNVw=9eCDZ=QSb2A@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20201214065227.GA21631@plug.org.au>

On Fri, 07 August, 2020 at 10:16:34PM +0800, ?uo? wrote:
> Hi Alastair.
[snip hardening commentary]
> 
> By intrusion detection I didn't mean scanning the system for rootkits or
> even having complex rules to detect system changes,
> I was mostly thinking of having small targeted beacons that will send
> alerts whenever triggers.
> example of some I already have on my vps -
> - Get an email on every login (might be noisy for people but I don't often
> login to my vps, and even if I did I'll notice getting such e-mail when I
> haven't)

logwatch

> - Spread some canary files that will look sensitive but will send an e-mail
> once opened (this are very accurate as they will never be opened by someone
> who knows the system, but attacker will find it hard to avoid opening
> credit_cards_backup-2019.pdf especially if it's in the trash folder)

inotify

> 
> *cmd.com <http://cmd.com> *seem to be an amazing solution.
> If you enable 2fa not only you get notifications when someone tries to run
> a command on the server, but you also prevent the execution

AppArmour or SELinux.

> 
> I was wondering if there is anything similar who might be opensource.
> And any other tools who might fill a similar role of relatively low noise
> signals once intrusion did happen.

From zorlin at gmail.com  Thu Dec 24 19:09:58 2020
From: zorlin at gmail.com (Benjamin)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2020 19:09:58 +0800
Subject: [plug] Happy holidays and Merry Christmas!
Message-ID: <CAGwEZW+Pb8uVe7j5ufT0YE02S2pTUNfpu8mTg_Q8bjqfd=QoGw@mail.gmail.com>

To all our PLUGgers old and new,

I hope you have the best Christmas holidays ever, regardless of what you
believe and celebrate. It's an honour to be involved in PLUG and interact
with you all. I wish you the very best this year.

Cheers
- Benjamin
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From chris at mccormick.cx  Fri Dec 25 12:31:00 2020
From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 12:31:00 +0800
Subject: [plug] Happy holidays and Merry Christmas!
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Cheers Benjamin, you too, hope you're well!

Chris. 

On 24 December 2020 7:09:58 pm AWST, Benjamin <zorlin at gmail.com> wrote:
>To all our PLUGgers old and new,
>
>I hope you have the best Christmas holidays ever, regardless of what
>you
>believe and celebrate. It's an honour to be involved in PLUG and
>interact
>with you all. I wish you the very best this year.
>
>Cheers
>- Benjamin

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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From p at delfante.it  Sat Dec 26 14:58:23 2020
From: p at delfante.it (Paul Del)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 14:58:23 +0800
Subject: [plug] Happy holidays and Merry Christmas!
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1608955201.23576.plug@plug.org.au>
References: <mailman.3.1608955201.23576.plug@plug.org.au>
Message-ID: <CANM56ueXE6cuEKyVCnDy4J3xJHk7PWC1kGNV25t3Pj-BFWa7TQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Benjamin and Chris

Thanks :)

I hope everyone is having some time off during the holidays.

Cheers Paul

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> Cheers Benjamin, you too, hope you're well!
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> Chris.
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> On 24 December 2020 7:09:58 pm AWST, Benjamin <zorlin at gmail.com> wrote:
> >To all our PLUGgers old and new,
> >
> >I hope you have the best Christmas holidays ever, regardless of what
> >you
> >believe and celebrate. It's an honour to be involved in PLUG and
> >interact
> >with you all. I wish you the very best this year.
> >
> >Cheers
> >- Benjamin
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From stinga at wolf-rock.com  Sat Dec 26 15:08:04 2020
From: stinga at wolf-rock.com (stinga)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 15:08:04 +0800
Subject: [plug] Happy holidays and Merry Christmas!
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On 26/12/2020 14:58, Paul Del wrote:
> Hello Benjamin and Chris
>
> Thanks :)
>
> I hope everyone is having some time off during the holidays.
>
> Cheers Paul
>
>     Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 12:31:00 +0800
>
>     Cheers Benjamin, you too, hope you're well!
>
>     Chris.
>
>     On 24 December 2020 7:09:58 pm AWST, Benjamin <zorlin at gmail.com
>     <mailto:zorlin at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     >To all our PLUGgers old and new,
>     >
>     >I hope you have the best Christmas holidays ever, regardless of what
>     >you
>     >believe and celebrate. It's an honour to be involved in PLUG and
>     >interact
>     >with you all. I wish you the very best this year.
>     >
>     >Cheers
>     >- Benjamin
>

Yes, a happy Christmas to all and hopefully a better New Year....

(Just need to find a job now :-) )

-- 
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From p at delfante.it  Tue Dec 29 15:19:07 2020
From: p at delfante.it (Paul Del)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 15:19:07 +0800
Subject: [plug] PLUG AGM 2021 Notice
Message-ID: <CANM56ue4o1t91+r_d4pWTOYrRu-EZcP_aoER07pfS+jP9ZBW4Q@mail.gmail.com>

PLUG Annual General Meeting for 2020.

Agenda:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hwp3AtWTACZkJYmWDuXf-5MKBoUKwC2muOXNEGTll8s/edit?usp=sharing

Time: 6:00PM, AGM meeting starts 7:00 PM sharp

Want to become President, Vice President, Secretary, Treasurer or Ordinary
Committee members (3 people) here's your chance.

Food and Drink: Snacks may be provided, but not guaranteed.

If you have any questions about the positions please
If you would like to discuss on the phone send a reply and we can call you.

Secretary - Perth Linux Users Group
www.plug.org.au
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