[plug] TPG group no longer providing email

Mon Aug 7 09:50:05 AWST 2023

I am in the same boat being on Internode, their mail server seems to be designed to support dial up connections only (it really is that slow now days). I did have a friend that set up his own email server with his own domain, then when he signed up for anything - e.g. boost juice he could give them a unique email address to use e.g. boost at mydomain.com that redirected to his main account - that way when he got spam form that email account - he knew exactly who sold/leaked and could block.

Would be nice if someone offered this as a low maintenance service? Does anybody do anything like this?

> On 5 Aug 2023, at 9:51 pm, Mailing List <mailing_list at endianness.com> wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 08:47:19 +0800
> Onno Benschop <onno at itmaze.com.au> wrote:
> 
>> I think that Microsoft security goes well beyond "poor security":
>> 
>> https://arstechnica.com/security/2023/08/microsoft-cloud-security-blasted-for-its-culture-of-toxic-obfuscation/
>> 
>>> On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 at 16:06, Warren Argus <warren at warbel.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Onno,
>>> 
>>> Yes, I only meant that you can pay for google services if you wish and
>>> that I meant the 'free for personal usage' version of google is just their
>>> GWS offering without any corporate features.
>>> 
>>> It's unfair to single out MS for their poor security, the truth is until
>>> there are standards and transparency around cloud services, it's
>>> fundamentally impossible to fully trust any cloud provider. Just like how
>>> its impossible to fully trust propriatary closed source software...
>>> 
>>> -w
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> *From*: Onno Benschop <onno at itmaze.com.au
>>> <Onno%20Benschop%20%3conno at itmaze.com.au%3e>>
>>> *To*: PLUG mailing list <plug at plug.org.au
>>> <PLUG%20mailing%20list%20%3cplug at plug.org.au%3e>>
>>> *Subject*: Re: [plug] TPG group no longer providing email
>>> *Date*: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 15:38:43 +0800
>>> 
>>> FYI, there is no free Google Workspace offering for most customers. If you
>>> are a school, or a registered nonprofit, there are free accounts available.
>>> 
>>> Source: I've been using this for many years and recently Google made all
>>> Workspace products subscription only services.
>>> 
>>> I have been looking for alternatives because "Google", but I've yet to
>>> discover anything that comes close.
>>> 
>>> Given Microsoft's most recent data-breach I'd avoid their service until
>>> such time as they actually publish how they fixed their secure key
>>> implementation.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> finger painting on glass is an inexact art - apologies for any errors in
>>> this scra^Hibble
>>> 
>>> ()/)/)() ..ASCII for Onno..
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, 4 Aug 2023, 15:11 Warren Argus, <warren at warbel.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can only assume that ISPs are moving away from offering email for the
>>> same reasons most businesses no longer provision on-site email servers.
>>> 1. they're increasingly vulnerable to attack (specifically onsite exchange
>>> servers) and represent an increasing business risk
>>> 2. they don't support modern auth (MFA etc)
>>> 3. they require maintenance and support from staff
>>> 
>>> ISPs would also have the added burden of integrating their email systems
>>> into the user backends and providing support to their customers. Again
>>> increasing their costs and overheads.
>>> 
>>> My recommendation is to either move to the 'free' google workspace tier
>>> (optionally you can pay for it if you'd rather not be the product), setup
>>> your own email server (I personally use mailinabox + nextcloud hosted in
>>> Digital Ocean's Singapore DC), or consider an MS o365 subscription (which
>>> comes with a mailbox). With the ability to pretty seamlessly churn ISPs
>>> these days I wouldn't recommend sticking with iinet or any of the TPG group
>>> - vote with your feet. I would recommend AussieBB though - they have IPv6
>>> too, unlike iinet.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> Warren.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> *From*: Byron Hammond <byronester at gmail.com
>>> <Byron%20Hammond%20%3cbyronester at gmail.com%3e>>
>>> *To*: William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au
>>> <William%20Kenworthy%20%3cbillk at iinet.net.au%3e>>
>>> *Cc*: PLUG <plug at plug.org.au <PLUG%20%3cplug at plug.org.au%3e>>
>>> *Subject*: Re: [plug] TPG group no longer providing email
>>> *Date*: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 17:43:22 +0800
>>> 
>>> I am with Aussie Broadband and they provide an email address.
>>> Mind you I never use it because I use GMail and Yahoo for junk/spam, but
>>> it might be an option
>>> Plus ABB are pretty decent on support in my experience, so something to
>>> consider
>>> 
>>> Byron
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 at 10:24, William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I presume there are a lot of other PLUG members who use a TPG group ISP
>>> like I do.
>>> 
>>> It looks like iinet (and all TPG companies)  are dropping all email
>>> services (but apparently not dropping prices) and are force migrating
>>> people to a commercial company - free for now but ...
>>> 
>>> The migration so far looks like a rolling disaster from some TPG focused
>>> forums I read.  Like almost everyone I have a google email address but is
>>> there a reasonable Australian ISP in Perth that still carries email?
>>> Telstra and Optus have never been "good" in my opinion.  I also run my home
>>> phone through them via asterisk and have mobiles with them - I am not sure
>>> they would consider them core services either. I do not store any email at
>>> iinet - they provide imap pickup (I run a local mail gateway), a couple of
>>> email aliases, provide virus and spam protection but that's it.
>>> Its looking like my best option is to stay with iinet (for now) and
>>> migrate away from iinet starting with email.
>>> 
>>> What are others considering?
>>> 
>>> BillK
>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
> Colour me surprised...
> 
> I've been running my own e-mail server for a while now and I don't seem to have hit the distributed blacklist yet.
> 
> It's quite a pain to get a domain and setup qmail or postfix, with SPF, DKIM and rDNS, but once you've done so, you can have nice things.
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