
> > Not at all! You forget one important distinction - us and them. 
> 
> It seems that us is people in the western world, and them is
> anyone else.  (Mmmm, I'm trying hard to believe that your statement
> here has a hidden winking smiley?  Does it?)

'Us' is anyone who believes in the same (peacetime Leon) principles and 
moralities we do. That naturally lies with most of the Western world.

'Them' is anyone who attempts harm us or our way of life in any way. 

It isnt complicated. Dont overthink it. 

Everything I write on list has a hidden smiley... :D 

> 
> > Actually, we are kinda arguing the same point - we both think its 
revenge, 
> > but have different positions on whether thats a bad thing or a good 
thing.
> 
> You're right here.
> 
> > > BTW, I don't believe you'd feel the same way if you or your family
> > > were wrongly accused.
> > 
> > Thats the point - my family wouldnt be wrongly accused. We are on 
> > the 'good side'. If youre part of the 'bad side', or sit somewhere in 
the 
> > grey area in between, then you may be wrongly accused. Lesson: make 
sure 
> > you're on the 'good side'.
> 
> How do you ensure that?  Is is by being born in the right place?  With
> the currently presented situation it seems impossible for someone to
> be born and live in Afghanistan (probably soon to be other places;
> this is a roaming sideshow) and be safe from a wrong accusation and
> its ensuing possible torture.

It has nothing to do with nationality, several australians are classified 
as 'them' since they were fighting with the Taliban.

If you are born in Afghanistan and mind your own business I dont think 
youd have too much to worry about (except the Taliban really).

> 
> And are you so sure you couldn't be wrongly accused?  There have been
> armed raids by Federal Police in Australia recently.  Another suspect
> might remember your name from somewhere (this list, perhaps) recite it
> under torture, and suddenly you are a suspect.  (Why do you have this
> gpg encryption thing on your computer?

I dont - all my harddrives are not encrypted, and I dont send encrypted 
email. I have nothing to hide, and nothing I do is all that important, and 
I dont pretend otherwise.

>  And our scientists think that
> these jpegs have hidden watermarks.  Tell us about them.)

Russell gave them to me. Ask him. :D

> 
> > BTW, I don't believe you'd feel the same way if you or your family 
were 
> > directly threatened by extremists with guns and explosives. 
> 
> Or threatened by the US Army or CIA or Australian Federal Police or
> ASIO with guns and explosives.

When was the last time this happened to you? The AFP are admittedly a 
little gung-ho, but again you dont have much to fear from them. Maybe one 
day theyll wake you up in the middle of the night, beat you up a little 
and then say 'sorry, wrong house'. I think you have a better chance of 
being struck by lightning though.

> 
> Terrorists come in many forms.  Some of them wear uniforms and are
> paid by very large governments.

OK, so what would be your perfect world? Peace, love and harmony? As Leon 
said, this is the real world full of real people.....

So what would you like to see happen from this point on?


