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<DIV>Sorry a little late in the reply, but speaking of capacitors, seems in 2001
there were a bunch of motherboard manufacturers trying to cut corners by
installing cheap capacitors (29 of them I'm told) on the ASUS, AOPEN, GIGABYTE
and EPOX motherboards (may be others). Since the M/B have a 3 year
warranty on one site where we did a complete upgrade using Aopen and Asus M/B
they have all started to show signs of failure ranging from blue
sparks when turned on to looping bootup sequence and a lot of locking up or
even sporadic shutdown/reboot. I found this out after replacing 4 M/B and
had them lined up under a bright light source and upon inspection I can see that
the electrolyte (I believe that is the correct name) leakage around the large
capacitor need the CPU. This leakage if bad enough causes a short and
sometimes takes out all the components, at the very least just the M/B is
damage. If you look hard enough you will see the discolouration on the
capacitor (looks like rust) and the stain it leaves behind.</DIV>
<DIV>This has caused concerned to the client, who wants all the M/Bs
replaced as it was deemed a fire hazard if the PC was left on overnight. a
few users reported when they turned on their PCs it "shot out blue
flames".</DIV>
<DIV>Aopen and Asus seems to be coming to the party by replacing either the M/B
or the capacitors.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>There are several links on the web regarding this. </DIV>
<DIV>Hope this sends a message to the manufacturers put in cheap now pay or
pay later.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Jon L. Miller, MCNE, CNS, ASE<BR>Director/Sr Systems Consultant<BR>MMT
Networks Pty Ltd<BR><A
href="http://www.mmtnetworks.com.au">http://www.mmtnetworks.com.au</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure<BR> is trying
to please everybody." -Bill Cosby</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>>>> quadfour@iinet.net.au 8:31:35 am 20/02/2004
>>><BR>Speaking of capacitors, I have one on my video card (NVidia
4200Ti) which is<BR>slowly spewing some orange stuff. Since it still works I'm
ignoring it :)<BR><BR>Kind Regards<BR>Michael Collard<BR><BR>Quoting Craig
Foster <fostware@iinet.net.au>:<BR><BR>> <BR>> > -----Original
Message-----<BR>> > From: plug-admin@plug.linux.org.au <BR>> > [<A
href="mailto:plug-admin@plug.linux.org.au]">mailto:plug-admin@plug.linux.org.au]</A>
On Behalf Of Paul Stone<BR>> > Sent: Friday, 20 February 2004 1:10
AM<BR>> > To: plug@plug.linux.org.au<BR>> > Subject: Re: [plug] Hdd
probs - IBM deskstar experiences?<BR>> > <BR>> > hey on the subject
of hard drives, did anyone ever use those <BR>> > awful IBM deskstar hard
drives, I had one crash on me at work <BR>> > and i heard about heaps of
others having the same problem!...<BR>> > <BR>> > Paull<BR>> >
<BR>> > <BR>> > ----- Original Message -----<BR>> > From:
"Russ Pitman" <rjp@belle.apana.org.au><BR>> > To: "PLUG"
<plug@plug.linux.org.au><BR>> > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004
11:27 PM<BR>> > Subject: Re: [plug] Hdd probs<BR>> > <BR>> >
<BR>> > > Michael Collard wrote:<BR>> > > > Hiya Pluggers,
I write this email on my barely working <BR>> > system. My 80Gb<BR>>
> > > HDD (seagate) seems to not like reading/writing properly <BR>>
> any more, I<BR>> > > > suspect it has bad sectors somehow.
Thought I'd take this <BR>> > time while my<BR>> > > >
complete system backs up, while it is still possible, to <BR>> > ask if
anyone<BR>> > > > else has had problems with these 80Gb Seagate
drivers?<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > Kind Regards<BR>> >
> > Michael Collard<BR>> > ><BR>> > > If they have "Made
in Idonesia" on the label Yes. Check <BR>> > what warranty they<BR>>
> > were sold under, you may be able to claim replacement. The <BR>>
> ones that died<BR>> > on<BR>> > > me were replaced with
Singaporean make and seem ok still.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Good
Luck.<BR>> > > -- <BR>> > > Cheers<BR>> > >
Russ.<BR>> > ><BR>> <BR>> <BR>> IBM DTLA-xxxx and 75GXP series
were dodgey (I have 2/3 that work at the<BR>> moment)<BR>> Fujitsu MPGxxxx
go to sleep by themselves (Cirrus Logic chips underneath)<BR>> Seagate
Indonesian builds are suspect<BR>> WD xxxxJB's have had some bad sector
batches (and are "de-optimised" for<BR>> RAID)<BR>> (others have not been
rosy either)<BR>> <BR>> If there's anything a computer company hates, it
their HDD manufacturer.<BR>> Most physical computer repairs are either
motherboard or hard disk related,<BR>> and between the drive makers dropping
their 3 year warranties for 1 year and<BR>> changing manufacturing plants
every three months, we would *love* to have a<BR>> nice reliable source of
hard disks.<BR>> <BR>> There's only so many failures at 18mths (ie just
after the warranty runns<BR>> out) a customer can take before they start
asking questions about their<BR>> purchasing choices.<BR>> <BR>> Oh and
don't get me started on crappy (ie the dodgey) capacitors blowing<BR>> around
CPUs... We're still getting a steady stream of blown motherboards.<BR>>
<BR>> </rant><BR>> <BR>> Craig F.<BR>> <BR>> PS Anybody buy
the hitachi brand IBM drives recently, their pricing is<BR>> "rather
impressive"?<BR>> <BR>>
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