<div>The minimum system requirements of FC5 are too high!</div> <div>From Joshua Chase<joshych@yahoo.com.au><BR><BR><B><I>hatari <hatari@iinet.net.au></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Kev wrote:<BR>> Arie Hol wrote:<BR>> <BR>>><BR>>> On 23 Jul 2006 at 12:31, hatari wrote:<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>> Arie Hol wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>>> I have just spent the last 5 hours trying to do a default install of<BR>>>>> Fedora Core 5 - and at this point I am ready to say goodbye to Fedora<BR>>>>> and Linux altogether.<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> =I still dabble, but the pain can be excruciating at times.<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>> I have never had so much trouble trying to get Linux installed and<BR>>>>> running - even going back to the old versions of
Slackware installed<BR>>>>> from floppy disks.<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> =I agree. In the last several versions of several distros there are <BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> lots<BR>>><BR>>>> of "flakey" things going on.<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>> 7 attempts to install each one taking a different approach and all <BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> with<BR>>><BR>>>>> the same results.<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> =Arie, I tried 2 attempts myself - from 2 different disks. I stopped<BR>>>> there. They failed to install grub on /boot for multi-OS. (ie no<BR>>>> boot-up)<BR>>>><BR>>>> So I tried Mepis (for a reason which I wont go into). After prompting <BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> I<BR>>><BR>>>> turned OFF certain Services for security reasons. After loading I <BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
found<BR>>><BR>>>> that not one had been adjusted. So you can't trust a system for <BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> security<BR>>><BR>>>> after that, can you?<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>> Errors ! Errors ! Errors ! and more Errors !<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> Yep.<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> Not much help for your problem, but just letting you know others out <BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> here<BR>>><BR>>>> are still finding (too much?) pain in Linux - as it begins to fracture<BR>>>> into a thousand distros.<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>><BR>>> Despite my initial whinging and moaning - I ended up with FC5 <BR>>> installed and at least running in a stable fashion. There are several <BR>>> things that are broken but at least I can do the things that I need to <BR>>> do.<BR>>><BR>>> Maybe as time goes
by I will get some things fixed - but I can do what <BR>>> I need to do on Linux.<BR>>><BR>>> Looks like I will not be getting away from Windows XP in a hurry.<BR>>><BR>>> It's still the age old question of Linux vs hardware - I am <BR>>> disappointed that so many things are out of square with Linux despite <BR>>> the advances being made with most distros - the hardware landscape <BR>>> seems to change too quickly - and I am not always in a position to <BR>>> change my hardware just to suit Linux.<BR>>><BR>>> But I am not giving up on Linux by any means. I agree that Linux with <BR>>> its many distros is becoming too diversified and agree that the need <BR>>> to conform to the Linux Standards Base will be the most critical <BR>>> factor for the survival of Linux - lest that it becomes too <BR>>> factionalised to remain coherent as a single entity - but the <BR>>> situation will
become more difficult as the "larger" distros such as <BR>>> Redhat, Novell and Mandriva become more independent with their <BR>>> progress in development and diversification.<BR>>><BR>>> Diversity gives choice - but too much diversity causes <BR>>> factionalisation away from the central cause - ie Instead of the fight <BR>>> being between Linux vs Microsoft - it seems to increase the tendency <BR>>> for distro wars - then you add in the differences with the Solaris <BR>>> systems and the BSD systems as well.<BR>>><BR>>> Then there is still the age old problem - hardware compatibility and <BR>>> certain hardware manufacturers NOT accepting that there is/are <BR>>> alternative ways of setting up computing environments - many of them <BR>>> will never accept this factor while so many people in the world think <BR>>> that "Windows" is the only way to go.<BR>>><BR>>> Maybe the
arrival of "Vista" will change peoples minds - considering <BR>>> that it will need from 11-15 Gb for a basic install - and will require <BR>>> from 512 - 1024 Mb RAM to run - and also will have rather high <BR>>> requirements as to graphics capability in order to achieve the "new <BR>>> visual" affects that come with "Vista". The "Home" versions will come <BR>>> in three levels of functionality/capability which is determined by the <BR>>> level of hardware capability in a computer. This will cause a lot of <BR>>> angst for people who want to upgrade their OS but not their hardware.<BR>>><BR>>> Imagine the effect of this on commercial enterprise - perhaps this is <BR>>> the edge that Linux will need to gain a better advantage - except for <BR>>> that age old problem of Linux vs Hardware.<BR>>><BR>>> Like I said two (or so) years ago - the more that Linux tries to be <BR>>> 'like' Windows -
the more 'like' Windows it becomes.<BR>>><BR>>> But why ?<BR>>> <BR>>> Linux can be so much better than 'Windows', because "IT IS" better <BR>>> than 'Windows' except for the age old question of Hardware vs Linux.<BR>>><BR>>> I don't want a flame war on this one, I am all for Linux and <BR>>> everything it has to offer. But there are some areas where Linux does <BR>>> not meet my needs and I cannot develop my skills fast enough to 'help' <BR>>> Linux meet my needs.<BR>>><BR>>> Regards Arie<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Why not give it one last try? There are a few of here using Xandros, <BR>> and it "simply works - right out of the box". Whilst it /is/ a Windoze <BR>> users' desktop distro, underneath it's still a regular Debian Linux and <BR>> can be used as such for the most part. What I've liked most is that it <BR>> got me started easilly, and as I've developed my Linux knowledge I've
<BR>> been able to treat it just like any other distro. You're /not/ locked <BR>> into their package management system as in Linspire. I have CDs here if <BR>> you want to have a look.<BR>> <BR>> Cheers<BR>> Kev<BR>> <BR>Interesting, Kev. After emailing today I loaded Debian (for the first <BR>time) and it seemed OK for a while. However, it wouldn't let me mount a <BR>CD using the menu lnk because a service isn't started. After hunting <BR>around for ages (typical in Linux) it is obvious that I can't find any <BR>(GUI) form used to adjust (ALL) Services. I do not want to get into the <BR>cmd line yet. Can you tell me where (in Debian) to find a Services <BR>control panel? P.S. Xandros later maybe.<BR><BR>Arie, yep.<BR><BR>wayne<BR>_______________________________________________<BR>PLUG discussion list: plug@plug.org.au<BR>http://www.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug<BR>Committee e-mail: committee@plug.linux.org.au<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p>
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