<div dir="ltr">I might be a little biased, but I use Red hat servers at work and Debian based systems after hours, and I find the debian based package managers faaaaaaar easier to use.<br>Infact I hate yum, yast, any other package manager - i'm a pure apt-get boy.<br>
<br>I find that on redhat systems there are much less packages available in total, therefore to the newbie linux user I would always suggest a debian based system (ubuntu, knoppix, mint etc)<br><br>Blake<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
2008/8/3 Richard Meyer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:meyerri@westnet.com.au">meyerri@westnet.com.au</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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Dammit I hate this ... but WTF,<br>
<br>
Please explain how you equate Debian's package management to Red Hat's<br>
RPMs. (I was trying to find equivalents, but it was like comparing the<br>
manufacture of chamber pots to the mechanisms for removing the offending<br>
vessel from the royal bed-chamber). They are different things for<br>
goodness sake.<br>
<br>
Debian uses *.deb packages - Red Hat and others use *.rpm packages.<br>
Neither is "easier" or "harder" to install with the right tools - if you<br>
are talking about "synaptic" being easier than "yum", you might well be<br>
right, but their are MANY package managers that accommodate RPM<br>
packages, including Smart, Synaptic (see above), Yast and others.<br>
<br>
I appreciate that you have your own ideas, please formulate them so that<br>
you are comparing Intels with Intels (or even AMDs).<br>
<br>
I s'pose I'm getting overwrought for no real good reason, but I hate to<br>
see the foggy thinking that allows one to write about Debian's package<br>
management and compare it to a rival's package. NOT THE SAME THING.<br>
<br>
Again - it's Sunday night, and I've had a long day of wine and<br>
cavorting ....<br>
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On Sun, 2008-08-03 at 19:07 +0800, Kai wrote:<br>
> Hi Blake,<br>
><br>
> I followed the link given by Keith and 17% through downloading the i386<br>
> iso now.<br>
><br>
> Don't need a gui, but figured I may as well have a look at it, see how<br>
> well it performs on this old Presario 2200 laptop which got handed to me<br>
> yesterday with no documentation and no disks - just the laptop and carry<br>
> bag. Previous owners didn't want it 'cause it "didn't work", it was full<br>
> of malware, errors and crap. I reinstalled it with eXPensive and that<br>
> works fine so I'll give Ubuntu a go and see how it performs :)<br>
><br>
> That and the old PIII 600 desktop form factor machine I have sitting<br>
> here with Fedora 4 on it, wanna wipe that and install with Ubuntu since<br>
> I find Debian's package management to be so much easier than Fedora/Red<br>
> Hat RPM's<br>
><br>
> Cheers<br>
> Kai<br>
><br>
> Blake Munro wrote:<br>
> > Hey Kai,<br>
> ><br>
> > Yep - use the alternate ISO that you can download. It is fully text<br>
> > based and will work a charm.<br>
> > If you don't need a GUI, then go for the server version :)<br>
> ><br>
> > Cheers<br>
> > Blake<br>
> ><br>
> > 2008/8/3 Keith Bawden <<a href="mailto:keith@bawdo.com">keith@bawdo.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:keith@bawdo.com">keith@bawdo.com</a>>><br>
> ><br>
> > On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 18:36, Kai <<a href="mailto:vk6ksj@westnet.com.au">vk6ksj@westnet.com.au</a><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:vk6ksj@westnet.com.au">vk6ksj@westnet.com.au</a>>> wrote:<br>
> > > How are we all ? enjoying the cold, windy days down in Perth,<br>
> ><br>
> > Nope I'm in balmy Tokyo :-)<br>
> ><br>
> > > Is there a text only mode or something which I haven't figured out,<br>
> ><br>
> > A little googling suggest you need the "alternate install CD"<br>
> ><br>
> > <a href="http://ftp.iinet.net.au/pub/ubuntu-releases/8.04.1/" target="_blank">http://ftp.iinet.net.au/pub/ubuntu-releases/8.04.1/</a><br>
> ><br>
> > > If Ubuntu isn't recommended for older machines I'm all ears for any<br>
> > > feedback.<br>
> ><br>
> > Will this be a desktop machine? If so then I don't think your choice<br>
> > of distro will be as limiting a factor as your choice of window<br>
> > manager. Maybe something like xfce, wmaker or my personal choice wmii.<br>
> ><br>
> > Regards, Keith<br>
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