<div dir="ltr">As much as I want to care about SystemD, I find that it's incredibly fast with bootup times.<br><br>Some people say that it's a turn for the worse, I think it's another good option for another good cause. I think that Linux should always be about modularity and user demand. If a person wants oranges instead of apples, then so be it... Why do distro managers always try to make it easier by just going down either A or B. It just cuts people out that might already enjoy the distro. There are so many distros out there that Linux has become obfuscated rather than a collaboration effort. Linus then wonders why it hasn't won over the desktop, pretty easy to see why... As much as I don't like SystemD, it grew on me once I got the hang of it.<div><br></div><div>A happy Arch user.<br><div><br></div><div>Phillip.</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 6:56 AM, Bill Kenworthy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:billk@iinet.net.au" target="_blank">billk@iinet.net.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Systemd caused one of the longest ever flamefests on the gentoo mail<br>
lists! - end result is openrc is still the default init but we have to<br>
put up with odd bits of systemd and its servants scattered through the<br>
system :( Systemd had a (very) few supporters but its more that its<br>
being forced on people against their better judgement.<br>
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The reputation of the systemd devs is very poor due to pulseaudio so<br>
that is a black mark against it being just "accepted" - the battle lines<br>
have already been drawn - it will be interesting to see if redhats data<br>
centre business suffers irreparable damage as the resistance from server<br>
admins is very high against it.<br>
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Keep in mind that "YOU", the typical user are just collateral damage -<br>
the target of systemd is the cloud. Fast boot, use it and and then<br>
throwaway the image when done is the target. Keeping an image running<br>
reliably for months is not a priority any longer (check out the use of<br>
"chaosmonkey" in the data centre). When people like gnome (another<br>
bunch of losers :) jumped on board it has twisted the market towards<br>
something that's just not appropriate for most individual users. I dont<br>
think I can hold out forever, but will do do so until its no longer viable.<br>
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Dont like where your distro is going - choose another or build your own<br>
- give up and follow the sheep, you are lost!<br>
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>From a happy lxde, moving to lxqt, eudev and openrc user :)<br>
BillK<br>
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On 08/09/14 06:13, Hani Jabr wrote:<br>
> It's not a couple of seconds, it's a few minutes when you have multiple applications that take time to start up, but can start in parallel. That is important on production systems.<br>
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> Systemd seems like a rubbish implementation of something that's long overdue on Linux. Every unix except AIX has implemented something similar.<br>
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> Hani<br>
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>> On 7 Sep 2014, at 23:49, Alexander <<a href="mailto:alex@spottedmouse.com">alex@spottedmouse.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Found some more details:<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://www.tecmint.com/systemd-replaces-init-in-linux/" target="_blank">http://www.tecmint.com/systemd-replaces-init-in-linux/</a><br>
>><br>
>> I think this article makes a good case against systemd. Why do we need<br>
>> all this extra complexity for a couple of seconds we save during<br>
>> startup. Since when is the startup time a measure for anything. Maybe I<br>
>> am getting too old. Have fond memories of uptime being a measure for<br>
>> things. Reminds me a little of the time when a new version of windows<br>
>> was released, which had a faster startup time as a major feature.<br>
>><br>
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>>> On 03/09/14 14:56, Alexander wrote:<br>
>>> Just ran across : <a href="http://boycottsystemd.org/" target="_blank">http://boycottsystemd.org/</a> and thought fellow pluggers<br>
>>> may be interested as well.<br>
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