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    <p>This brings up an issue with pi's - I have a terrible history
      with SD cards going bad on them.  The 5x odroids I have with SD
      cards (HC2's) have only had one die - in the same period, the pi3b
      has had 2 die and the third is getting very slow (yes its being
      trim'ed) so its about to die too.  The older pi's are similarly
      hard on SD cards, the only one that's lasted is one in a pi zero
      W.  The eMMC's have lasted where I use them.</p>
    <p>BillK</p>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/8/20 2:32 pm, Oli Hills wrote:<br>
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      <div>It really depends on usage.<br>
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      <div>1.  How large does the FS need to be?<br>
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      <div>  This depends whether you will need an external disk which
        on a Pi would be USB.  It's possible but personally I wouldn't
        trust a FS to a single USB disk with no backups.<br>
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      <div>2..  How much web traffic are you expecting?<br>
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      <div>  If it's anything commercial then run it on a cloud platform
        not from home.<br>
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      <div>I would offload the Router FW to a Ubiquiti security Gateway,
        it's a personal preference but I like my internet access to not
        be reliant on hardware that's used for anything else.<br>
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      <div>Once done you can happily run networking components such as
        DHCP / DNS on the Pi Including Pi hole alongside a low traffic
        webserver and other smaller services.  I like to treat Pi's and
        their disks as destroyable, so would configure it with Ansible
        and run all the services in docker.  That way if you ever need
        to recreate it you can pull a repo and hit the go button.<br>
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      <div>Oli<br>
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      <div>On Mon, 10 Aug 2020, at 14:03, Jason Nicholls wrote:<br>
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          <div>If not married to the PI then I'd also suggest looking at
            2nd hand mini PCs.<br>
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          <div>I picked up a Dell Optiplex 9020m i5 4590t with 8GB RAM
            and 128GB SDD (internal) for $227. This is a low power unit
            (idles ~10W) and way more powerful than a PI with proper
            full speed GigE and USB3 if you want to hook up external
            disks. Nice thing too is you can expand/upgrade it with more
            ram or replace the internal disk etc... It's also tiny,
            about the same size as my NBN router!<br>
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          <div>If you consider the cost of a pi4  4GB + power + case,
            then I think this is competitive - esp. if you were thinking
            of getting multiple PIs<br>
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          <div dir="ltr" class="qt-gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at
            1:55 PM Benjamin <<a href="mailto:zorlin@gmail.com"
              moz-do-not-send="true">zorlin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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              <div>Odroid stuff is certainly worth looking at. My
                "Elastic NAS" project is built on 4x ODROID HC2 units
                running Ubuntu and MooseFS...<br>
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              <div dir="auto">- b<br>
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              <div dir="ltr" class="qt-gmail_attr">On Mon, 10 Aug 2020,
                13:53 William Kenworthy, <<a
                  href="mailto:billk@iinet.net.au" target="_blank"
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                wrote:<br>
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                  <p>Or pay a small amount more and use an odroid N2 (6
                    arm cores, 4 G ram) and run the services via LXC.  I
                    have a dav server, an asterisk PABX, internet facing
                    web server, slave dns, email and a radicale calendar
                    server plus a buildhost all in lxc on a single N2. 
                    Everything including asterisk runs well on a
                    gentoo-sources kernel and a re-purposed Gentoo
                    aarch64 raspberry pi user-land from my old pi 3B. 
                    An Odroid c4 will also work - note both of these
                    have USB3 if you want to run extra usb network
                    adaptors.  The n2 is running a bridge for LXC to the
                    VLAN segmented networks while the C4 I have (odroid
                    4.14 kernel, gentoo aarch64 userland) is using 2
                    bridged USB 3 WiFi adaptors to vlans all without
                    problems.  A major performance boost (at least 3x
                    over an SD card in my tests) is had using the odroid
                    eMMC storage, though the pi's have a sata hat
                    available - I have tried using usb storage and usb
                    networking together on both pies and odroids and its
                    a serious no-no :) - corruption and really bad
                    performance when busy).  The standard odroid OS is
                    ubuntu and it can apparently also use raspian.<br>
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                  <p>Any pi less than a 4 will suffer from poor network
                    performance (it all goes through an internal,
                    under-powered USB2 hub), though I have used pi 1B's
                    for all the above services in the past.  Going on my
                    experience, a pi less than a 4 will do ok for a not
                    very busy home server but wont do well for routing
                    and a pi 4 should be better at networking whereas
                    the more powerful odroid units will do it better,
                    perhaps to small enterprise level with the right
                    storage.  see <a
                      href="https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-c4/"
                      rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-c4/</a>
                    (the page for the older n2 i have uses a pi3 for the
                    comparison, the newer N2+ is here <a
                      href="https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-n2-with-4gbyte-ram-2/"
                      rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-n2-with-4gbyte-ram-2/</a>.)<br>
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                  <p>BillK<br>
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                  <div>On 10/8/20 12:58 pm, Russell Pereira wrote:<br>
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                      <div>Hey pluggers, <br>
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                      <div dir="auto">Just wondering what pi you
                        recommend for Web server, vpn server, file
                        server, router and a firewall.<br>
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                      <div dir="auto">Was thinking seperate pies for
                        each one and was wondering which model(s) would
                        be best. I have a esberrybpi 3 with 1gb ram but
                        figure it is a bit under powered.<br>
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                      <div dir="auto">Thanks <br>
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                      <div dir="auto">Russ<br>
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          <div>Jason Nicholls<br>
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