<div dir="ltr"><div>I contribute considerably more to open source software (e.g. LibreOffice, QGIS, Python) than I would pay for commercial software. OK, ArcGIS costs a lot more but I would not buy it.</div><div><br></div><div>A problem that open source has is that there is an increasing expectation for a glitzy GUI, whereas a lot of open source contribution better fits a more simple UNIX'y model - do a bit, do it right - where the contribution might be tied to tertiary institutions or developing a person's CV. Some businesses have achieved stability in the "glitzy" space, that's who I donate to. Of course they also seek and get corporate funding and/or have commercial arms, typically selling support packages. That's a glaring problem with OpenSSL - they deserve to be swimming in cash from grateful corporates. Why do they not receive funds when other open source entities do?<br></div><div><br></div><div>So guys - where a product requests donations, dig into your pockets and reduce the anguish!</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Kevin.<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 at 08:30, Onno Benschop <<a href="mailto:onno@itmaze.com.au">onno@itmaze.com.au</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Aside from the issue that Google search is currently pervasive and "leaving" it seems, let's call it, "difficult", the thought of leaving those platforms appears an attractive solution, there is a fundamental issue with it that doing this does not resolve.</div><div><br></div><div>Consider the act of making content. In our digital world most humans can for the first time publish their creativity, taking shape as source code, articles, videos, music, podcasts, 3D models, games, online forums like PLUG, repair guides, HowTo documents, restaurant reviews, mapping updates, media reports, data visualisations, and all the rest of it.</div><div><br></div><div>Within the context of PLUG, we're often focussed around the concepts of Open Source Software, so let's stay there, but keep the rest of it in mind.</div><div><br></div><div>All that content is available online, for the most part free of charge. For some content there are licensing requirements, but I doubt that many of those licenses are actually followed since enforcement requires money and that's in short supply.</div><div><br></div><div>With that level of "freedom" comes a level of abuse. Some of it is accidental, but I have no doubt that much of it is not.</div><div><br></div><div>You can argue that this situation evolved and given that I've been online since 1990, I've seen that evolution first hand.</div><div><br></div><div>It started with individuals sharing their knowledge using email and usenet news. Some universities and libraries made their content available via FTP and Gopher. Given that most of the people "online" were academics, it seemed appropriate to share the knowledge around. Anyone who was online was likely to be employed by the university that provided them access to the Internet. If not employed, then at the very least a student.</div><div><br></div><div>Once AOL became part of the mix, people who could afford to pay a service provider could instantly access all this "free" content, but with that came an imbalance. Until that moment the content providers and the content consumers were the same organisations. Once AOL joined in, these two diverged and have continued to do so in the 30 years since.</div><div><br></div><div>Today there are vast hordes of consumers and few creators.</div><div><br></div><div>The creators are by enlarge not being paid for their content, but big business is.</div><div><br></div><div>In the way that they have access to "free" source code, or any other content.</div><div><br></div><div>They can use that code to develop or on-sell a product and because they have money, they can outperform any little content creator.</div><div><br></div><div>You can see the outcome of this in the debacle that was Heartbleed, faker.js and others. Individuals or small groups maintain a codebase that is in widespread use, but not actually paid for in any way by its massive user base.</div><div><br></div><div>High profile products like OpenSSL are the visible part of this discussion, but the problem goes much deeper than this, it goes to the heart of how we make and share content.</div><div><br></div><div>Changing platforms away from the "evil" empires does nothing to fix those issues.</div><div><br></div><div>What's needed is a deep discussion about the value of content and how content creators are remunerated for their efforts.</div><div><br></div><div>The people to start this discussion are people who actually make content.</div><div><br></div><div>What the outcome looks like, I don't know at this point, but what I do know is that what we're doing is not sustainable and frankly it's exploitation.</div><div><br></div><div>o<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 at 06:31, Yuchen Pei <<a href="mailto:ycp@gnu.org" target="_blank">ycp@gnu.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Tue 2022-03-22 07:12:29 +0800, Onno Benschop wrote:<br>
<br>
> Hi Yuchen,<br>
><br>
> My point around those platforms was around my content being used to<br>
> advertise to others. Their search indices integrate my content, as they do for<br>
> all content they hoover up.<br>
><br>
> With that, they then present "relevant advertising" to people who search for<br>
> things that I'm answering with my content.<br>
><br>
> I see none of that revenue, neither does anyone else.<br>
><br>
> Not to mention, Google maps and reviews where my updates and reviews helps<br>
> everyone else, but I don't see a dime.<br>
<br>
I see.<br>
<br>
Have you thought of leaving these platforms?<br>
<br>
Both google and facebook are proprietary surveillance machines, and<br>
there are free (as in freedom) alternatives to twitter and github, like<br>
mastodon, sourcehut, codeberg.<br>
<br>
There won't be direct income either, but at least you don't get<br>
exploited by companies making money over your work through proprietary<br>
software and surveillance capitalism.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Yuchen<br>
<br>
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