<div dir="auto"><div>Hi Richard, I reckon bring the full system Debian one, I'll also have a Mint and ChromeOS Flex USB on hand, hope people bring their old computers so we can play around with them. See you there! :)<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If anyone else wants to sign up for the free noobs workshop:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://splc.org.au/programme">https://splc.org.au/programme</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">(Under 'Categories' click 'Computers and Technology')</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Cheers,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Didi</div><div dir="auto">South Perth Learning Centre</div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 3 Apr 2023, 12:01 pm , <<a href="mailto:plug-request@plug.org.au">plug-request@plug.org.au</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send plug mailing list submissions to<br>
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From: Richard Jones <<a href="mailto:bwl@vivaldi.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">bwl@vivaldi.net</a>><br>
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Thanks Didi,<br>
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I've registered and look forward to it. I've been lurking on this list <br>
for a long time and interested in meeting people but the events either <br>
seem over my head or just don't work in terms of time and place.<br>
<br>
Is it a good idea to bring a Debian installer on thumb drive? If so, I <br>
usually use a minimal network one but would it be better to do one with <br>
a working system?<br>
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All the best,<br>
Richard<br>
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On 1/4/23 21:25, Didi Mudigdo wrote:<br>
> Hi Richard,<br>
> <br>
> Definitely bring along the Teclasts so we can have a poke. I'll be <br>
> demonstrating some easy wins (Acer, Lenovo etc.) then go through the <br>
> problems that can happen with the not-so-easy wins (Broadcom driver, <br>
> MacBook, soft WiFi switch stuck off etc.). At which time it would be a <br>
> perfect opportunity to discuss your issues with the Teclasts, so that <br>
> participants can have a taste of what is in store when they have a go.<br>
> <br>
> Hope to see you there!<br>
> <br>
> DD<br>
> <br>
> On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 at 12:01, <<a href="mailto:plug-request@plug.org.au" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">plug-request@plug.org.au</a> <br>
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> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2023 17:36:11 +0800<br>
> From: Brad Campbell <<a href="mailto:brad@fnarfbargle.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">brad@fnarfbargle.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:brad@fnarfbargle.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">brad@fnarfbargle.com</a>>><br>
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> Subject: Re: [plug] Tapes<br>
> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:80f5d4da-ed51-dd7f-4424-6c365b231202@fnarfbargle.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">80f5d4da-ed51-dd7f-4424-6c365b231202@fnarfbargle.com</a><br>
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> On 15/3/23 13:01, Brad Campbell wrote:<br>
> ?> I've started using a combination of tar and pbzip2 for<br>
> archiving, but I'm going to have to put a cheap 2TB SSD into the box<br>
> with the tape drive to stage to, as I can't feed it fast enough<br>
> (seeing ~130MB/s write speeds).<br>
> > As it's an internal drive, my biggest issue has been cooling. Lot<br>
> of blocking case holes with gaffa tape and re-arranging fans to get<br>
> the airflow required to keep it cool during a write.<br>
> <br>
> Having had a play for a week or so, I've found pigz -i compresses<br>
> nearly as well as lbzip2 and 3 times faster. Admittedly the CPU is<br>
> an old AMD FX-8350, so it's not exactly a screamer.<br>
> I'm using a 996GB source directory of 28 rsync backups from various<br>
> machines ranging from ~250M to ~590G. I tar and compress these to<br>
> the staging drive before writing them to tape.<br>
> <br>
> tar through lbzip2 gets them down to 753G in 5 hours 23 minutes.<br>
> That is limited by compression.<br>
> tar through pigz -i gets them down to 763G in 1 hour 50 minutes.<br>
> That's not limited by compression, rather tar reading the data from<br>
> the "super cheap and nasty budget SSD" I chose to play with.<br>
> I bought a Crucial MX500 for the staging/spool drive, and then I<br>
> thought I'd try my luck with the cheapest 2TB SSD I could buy as a<br>
> source. An SP Data A55, and it's pretty bad.<br>
> <br>
> I have also tested recovery of several archives by blowing holes in<br>
> them, and the archives created with pigz -i recover as well as the<br>
> various bzip2 incarnations.<br>
> <br>
> > While this is working adequately, I've ordered a proper external<br>
> enclosure with the right cooling.<br>
> <br>
> I ordered an "untested" Dell external LTO-5 SAS drive on E-bay ($240<br>
> delivered) because that was about half the price of an empty<br>
> enclosure. I figured the drive would be a bust but I'd get a good<br>
> external SAS enclosure out of it.<br>
> Turns out the "untested" drive has no issues, and has done less work<br>
> than the internal HP I bought first. By the logs it looks like<br>
> someone bought it to read LTO3 and LTO4 tapes and it's only done<br>
> about 50 tape reads.<br>
> <br>
> About time I had a win.<br>
> <br>
> I have a nice little script that generates an index file from the<br>
> staging directory, then sequentially writes each tarball to tape.<br>
> Bulk restore just reads the whole tape, or for selective I dump the<br>
> index, mt fsf to the one I want as listed in the index, and just<br>
> restore from there.<br>
> <br>
> Drive encryption works well and easy to set up using stenc. No<br>
> issues with read/write compatibility between either drive, so looks<br>
> like I'm off to the races.<br>
> <br>
> Appreciate all the pointers.<br>
> <br>
> Regards,<br>
> Brad<br>
> <br>
> <br>
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> <br>
> Message: 2<br>
> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2023 18:06:27 +0800<br>
> From: Didi Mudigdo <<a href="mailto:didi@didi.com.au" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">didi@didi.com.au</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:didi@didi.com.au" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">didi@didi.com.au</a>>><br>
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> Subject: [plug] Linux workshop for noobs<br>
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> Hi there,<br>
> <br>
> I'll be running a 1-hour workshop 1 pm Wed 12th April @ South Perth<br>
> Learning Centre on installing Linux on your old computer, please<br>
> spread the<br>
> word if you know some noobs who would be interested in this:<br>
> <br>
> "Don't throw out your old laptop just yet, most of the time you just<br>
> need<br>
> to give it an alternative operating system! Replace your Windows<br>
> OS/Mac OS<br>
> with Linux, a modern community-driven operating system that can run<br>
> on very<br>
> low hardware resources (e.g. a mere 1 GB RAM, with a 16 GB hard<br>
> drive), and<br>
> bring your old laptop back to life. Come to this 1-hour workshop to see<br>
> Linux in action, rejuvenating computers up to 15 years old. If you bring<br>
> your old laptop you can follow along as we also demonstrate step-by-step<br>
> the process of installing Linux."<br>
> <br>
> Sign up:<br>
> <a href="https://classmanager.com.au/cbin/admin.php?Action=courses&single_course_id=1927&organisation_name=splc&from=org_home" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://classmanager.com.au/cbin/admin.php?Action=courses&single_course_id=1927&organisation_name=splc&from=org_home</a> <<a href="https://classmanager.com.au/cbin/admin.php?Action=courses&single_course_id=1927&organisation_name=splc&from=org_home" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://classmanager.com.au/cbin/admin.php?Action=courses&single_course_id=1927&organisation_name=splc&from=org_home</a>><br>
> <br>
> Thank you!<br>
> <br>
> Didi<br>
> <br>
> PS: I've installed various Linux distros on various computers since<br>
> 2011,<br>
> but this will be my first time running this workshop, so any<br>
> tips/pointers<br>
> from your experience on showing noobs how to install/use Linux will<br>
> be most<br>
> appreciated :)<br>
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> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2023 18:13:27 +0800<br>
> From: Richard Jones <<a href="mailto:bwl@vivaldi.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">bwl@vivaldi.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bwl@vivaldi.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">bwl@vivaldi.net</a>>><br>
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> Subject: Re: [plug] Linux workshop for noobs<br>
> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:1e42eab9-731b-aa96-981d-a7ec41723e47@vivaldi.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">1e42eab9-731b-aa96-981d-a7ec41723e47@vivaldi.net</a><br>
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> I've been installing linux on my gear for >20 years but I have a couple<br>
> of things where I'm stumped (Teclast laptop and tablet). Is this<br>
> suitable to bring along as a challenge or would that undermine the<br>
> exercise?<br>
> <br>
> Richard<br>
> <br>
> On 30/3/23 18:06, Didi Mudigdo wrote:<br>
> > Hi there,<br>
> ><br>
> > I'll be running a 1-hour workshop 1 pm Wed 12th April @ South Perth<br>
> > Learning Centre on installing Linux on your old computer, please<br>
> spread<br>
> > the word if you know some noobs who would be interested in this:<br>
> ><br>
> > "Don't throw out your old laptop just yet, most of the time you just<br>
> > need to give it an alternative operating system! Replace your<br>
> Windows<br>
> > OS/Mac OS with Linux, a modern community-driven operating system<br>
> that<br>
> > can run on very low hardware resources (e.g. a mere 1 GB RAM,<br>
> with a 16<br>
> > GB hard drive), and bring your old laptop back to life. Come to this<br>
> > 1-hour workshop to see Linux in action, rejuvenating computers up<br>
> to 15<br>
> > years old. If you bring your old laptop you can follow along as<br>
> we also<br>
> > demonstrate step-by-step the process of installing Linux."<br>
> ><br>
> > Sign up:<br>
> ><br>
> <a href="https://classmanager.com.au/cbin/admin.php?Action=courses&single_course_id=1927&organisation_name=splc&from=org_home" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://classmanager.com.au/cbin/admin.php?Action=courses&single_course_id=1927&organisation_name=splc&from=org_home</a> <<a href="https://classmanager.com.au/cbin/admin.php?Action=courses&single_course_id=1927&organisation_name=splc&from=org_home" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://classmanager.com.au/cbin/admin.php?Action=courses&single_course_id=1927&organisation_name=splc&from=org_home</a>> <<a href="https://classmanager.com.au/cbin/admin.php?Action=courses&single_course_id=1927&organisation_name=splc&from=org_home" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://classmanager.com.au/cbin/admin.php?Action=courses&single_course_id=1927&organisation_name=splc&from=org_home</a> <<a href="https://classmanager.com.au/cbin/admin.php?Action=courses&single_course_id=1927&organisation_name=splc&from=org_home" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://classmanager.com.au/cbin/admin.php?Action=courses&single_course_id=1927&organisation_name=splc&from=org_home</a>>><br>
> ><br>
> > Thank you!<br>
> ><br>
> > Didi<br>
> ><br>
> > PS: I've installed various Linux distros on various computers since<br>
> > 2011, but this will be my first time running this workshop, so any<br>
> > tips/pointers from your experience on showing noobs how to<br>
> install/use<br>
> > Linux will be most appreciated :)<br>
> ><br>
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