<div dir="ltr"><div>Worth considering that Apple iCloud+ offers domain hosting for 99cents a month?</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT212514">https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT212514</a></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 9:50 AM Robin Perkins <<a href="mailto:robin.perkins@internode.on.net">robin.perkins@internode.on.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I am in the same boat being on Internode, their mail server seems to be designed to support dial up connections only (it really is that slow now days). I did have a friend that set up his own email server with his own domain, then when he signed up for anything - e.g. boost juice he could give them a unique email address to use e.g. <a href="mailto:boost@mydomain.com" target="_blank">boost@mydomain.com</a> that redirected to his main account - that way when he got spam form that email account - he knew exactly who sold/leaked and could block.<br>
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Would be nice if someone offered this as a low maintenance service? Does anybody do anything like this?<br>
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> On 5 Aug 2023, at 9:51 pm, Mailing List <<a href="mailto:mailing_list@endianness.com" target="_blank">mailing_list@endianness.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 08:47:19 +0800<br>
> Onno Benschop <<a href="mailto:onno@itmaze.com.au" target="_blank">onno@itmaze.com.au</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
>> I think that Microsoft security goes well beyond "poor security":<br>
>> <br>
>> <a href="https://arstechnica.com/security/2023/08/microsoft-cloud-security-blasted-for-its-culture-of-toxic-obfuscation/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://arstechnica.com/security/2023/08/microsoft-cloud-security-blasted-for-its-culture-of-toxic-obfuscation/</a><br>
>> <br>
>>> On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 at 16:06, Warren Argus <<a href="mailto:warren@warbel.net" target="_blank">warren@warbel.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Hi Onno,<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Yes, I only meant that you can pay for google services if you wish and<br>
>>> that I meant the 'free for personal usage' version of google is just their<br>
>>> GWS offering without any corporate features.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> It's unfair to single out MS for their poor security, the truth is until<br>
>>> there are standards and transparency around cloud services, it's<br>
>>> fundamentally impossible to fully trust any cloud provider. Just like how<br>
>>> its impossible to fully trust propriatary closed source software...<br>
>>> <br>
>>> -w<br>
>>> <br>
>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>> *From*: Onno Benschop <<a href="mailto:onno@itmaze.com.au" target="_blank">onno@itmaze.com.au</a><br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:Onno%2520Benschop%2520%253conno@itmaze.com.au" target="_blank">Onno%20Benschop%20%3conno@itmaze.com.au</a>%3e>><br>
>>> *To*: PLUG mailing list <<a href="mailto:plug@plug.org.au" target="_blank">plug@plug.org.au</a><br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:PLUG%2520mailing%2520list%2520%253cplug@plug.org.au" target="_blank">PLUG%20mailing%20list%20%3cplug@plug.org.au</a>%3e>><br>
>>> *Subject*: Re: [plug] TPG group no longer providing email<br>
>>> *Date*: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 15:38:43 +0800<br>
>>> <br>
>>> FYI, there is no free Google Workspace offering for most customers. If you<br>
>>> are a school, or a registered nonprofit, there are free accounts available.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Source: I've been using this for many years and recently Google made all<br>
>>> Workspace products subscription only services.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> I have been looking for alternatives because "Google", but I've yet to<br>
>>> discover anything that comes close.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Given Microsoft's most recent data-breach I'd avoid their service until<br>
>>> such time as they actually publish how they fixed their secure key<br>
>>> implementation.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> --<br>
>>> finger painting on glass is an inexact art - apologies for any errors in<br>
>>> this scra^Hibble<br>
>>> <br>
>>> ()/)/)() ..ASCII for Onno..<br>
>>> <br>
>>>> On Fri, 4 Aug 2023, 15:11 Warren Argus, <<a href="mailto:warren@warbel.net" target="_blank">warren@warbel.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> <br>
>>> I can only assume that ISPs are moving away from offering email for the<br>
>>> same reasons most businesses no longer provision on-site email servers.<br>
>>> 1. they're increasingly vulnerable to attack (specifically onsite exchange<br>
>>> servers) and represent an increasing business risk<br>
>>> 2. they don't support modern auth (MFA etc)<br>
>>> 3. they require maintenance and support from staff<br>
>>> <br>
>>> ISPs would also have the added burden of integrating their email systems<br>
>>> into the user backends and providing support to their customers. Again<br>
>>> increasing their costs and overheads.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> My recommendation is to either move to the 'free' google workspace tier<br>
>>> (optionally you can pay for it if you'd rather not be the product), setup<br>
>>> your own email server (I personally use mailinabox + nextcloud hosted in<br>
>>> Digital Ocean's Singapore DC), or consider an MS o365 subscription (which<br>
>>> comes with a mailbox). With the ability to pretty seamlessly churn ISPs<br>
>>> these days I wouldn't recommend sticking with iinet or any of the TPG group<br>
>>> - vote with your feet. I would recommend AussieBB though - they have IPv6<br>
>>> too, unlike iinet.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Kind regards,<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Warren.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>> *From*: Byron Hammond <<a href="mailto:byronester@gmail.com" target="_blank">byronester@gmail.com</a><br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:Byron%2520Hammond%2520%253cbyronester@gmail.com" target="_blank">Byron%20Hammond%20%3cbyronester@gmail.com</a>%3e>><br>
>>> *To*: William Kenworthy <<a href="mailto:billk@iinet.net.au" target="_blank">billk@iinet.net.au</a><br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:William%2520Kenworthy%2520%253cbillk@iinet.net.au" target="_blank">William%20Kenworthy%20%3cbillk@iinet.net.au</a>%3e>><br>
>>> *Cc*: PLUG <<a href="mailto:plug@plug.org.au" target="_blank">plug@plug.org.au</a> <<a href="mailto:PLUG%2520%253cplug@plug.org.au" target="_blank">PLUG%20%3cplug@plug.org.au</a>%3e>><br>
>>> *Subject*: Re: [plug] TPG group no longer providing email<br>
>>> *Date*: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 17:43:22 +0800<br>
>>> <br>
>>> I am with Aussie Broadband and they provide an email address.<br>
>>> Mind you I never use it because I use GMail and Yahoo for junk/spam, but<br>
>>> it might be an option<br>
>>> Plus ABB are pretty decent on support in my experience, so something to<br>
>>> consider<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Byron<br>
>>> <br>
>>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 at 10:24, William Kenworthy <<a href="mailto:billk@iinet.net.au" target="_blank">billk@iinet.net.au</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> <br>
>>> I presume there are a lot of other PLUG members who use a TPG group ISP<br>
>>> like I do.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> It looks like iinet (and all TPG companies) are dropping all email<br>
>>> services (but apparently not dropping prices) and are force migrating<br>
>>> people to a commercial company - free for now but ...<br>
>>> <br>
>>> The migration so far looks like a rolling disaster from some TPG focused<br>
>>> forums I read. Like almost everyone I have a google email address but is<br>
>>> there a reasonable Australian ISP in Perth that still carries email?<br>
>>> Telstra and Optus have never been "good" in my opinion. I also run my home<br>
>>> phone through them via asterisk and have mobiles with them - I am not sure<br>
>>> they would consider them core services either. I do not store any email at<br>
>>> iinet - they provide imap pickup (I run a local mail gateway), a couple of<br>
>>> email aliases, provide virus and spam protection but that's it.<br>
>>> Its looking like my best option is to stay with iinet (for now) and<br>
>>> migrate away from iinet starting with email.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> What are others considering?<br>
>>> <br>
>>> BillK<br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
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>> <br>
> Colour me surprised...<br>
> <br>
> I've been running my own e-mail server for a while now and I don't seem to have hit the distributed blacklist yet.<br>
> <br>
> It's quite a pain to get a domain and setup qmail or postfix, with SPF, DKIM and rDNS, but once you've done so, you can have nice things.<br>
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