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<p>You make a good point Onno</p>
<p>These Installfests are advocacy rather than finding out what
members and list lurkers want from PLUG.</p>
<p>In retrospect, I missed promoting that Linux doesn't install an
AI tool by default.<br>
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<p>And yes, I tackled the Installfests at the Collins Street Centre
because I can get wireless from home and can drag gear there
quickly (and why I said I'd run a series this year). </p>
<p>I dropped in to my two closest Mens Sheds this morning with
posters.</p>
<p>Curtin FM did some promotion to a similar audience based on their
commercials and promotion.</p>
<p>RTRFM had an entry in their newsletter.</p>
<p>I'll see if this attracts more people on Saturday. Otherwise, it
is hard work but it is an opportunity for PLUG people to meetup
and share projects.</p>
<p>All the best<br>
Harry<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 16/6/26 19:11, Onno Benschop via
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<div>While the notion of promoting Linux is one way of getting
PLUG noticed, I think that there are more fundamental
questions to consider.</div>
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<div dir="auto">What is the purpose of PLUG, why does it exist,
what does it mean to be a member of PLUG?</div>
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<div dir="auto">Getting members or promoting the club at public
events is all fun and games in theory, until you get into the
logistics of the process when you discover that it's the same
three people doing all the work.</div>
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finger painting on glass is an inexact art - apologies for any
errors in this scra^Hibble<br>
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()/)/)() ..ASCII for Onno..</div>
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<b>From:</b> committee <<a
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on behalf of Steve Schrader via committee <<a
href="mailto:committee@plug.org.au" target="_blank"
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class="moz-txt-link-freetext">committee@plug.org.au</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 15 June 2026 12:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Harry McNally <<a
href="mailto:harrymc@decisions-and-designs.com.au"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">harrymc@decisions-and-designs.com.au</a>>;
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [plug-ctte] [plug] #introducing and
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Interesting letter and history lesson, Harry. You detailed
many points that were (i) before my time with PLUG, and
(ii) pertinent to issues which Wyatt has raised in his
recent talks at Cannington library. I must admit to being
unaware of the political machinations which had been
taking place.</div>
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Rather than hosting at events which people who are already
interested in and knowledgeable about Linux, I would
suggest that we consider hosting Linux information
sessions/InstallFests at events which the general public
would be attending. One specific idea which I have
suggested at recent committee meetings would be to hire
stalls at some of the local market events which take place
around Perth.</div>
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These events could be used to demonstrate how everyday
computing could be readily achieved on systems without
tracking every action being performed. We could promote
the InstallFests at these events, as well as PLUG
membership. </div>
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Steve S.</div>
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on behalf of Harry McNally via plug <<a
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<b>Subject:</b> [plug] #introducing and Installfests</div>
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<p>Late last year, Onno and I discussed ways to find out
what subscribers might be seeking from membership of PLUG
or subscribing to the PLUG mailing list. Onno had helped
another NFP group by hosting a meeting that, after four
hours of ideas, arrived at a direction that suited the
whole group. We wondered if a special event like that
might increase IRL participation at events and encourage
paid membership to support those events.</p>
<p>To add to that Onno posted about his own experience with
Linux and, while he got a few people figuring out when
they started participating in PLUG, there wasn't a lot of
feedback to match Onno's thoughtful consideration of how
Linux has been part of his professional and technical
life.</p>
<p>It takes time to articulate and, I wondered, what am I
going to say other than that I use it every day (pretty
much exclusively other than when I use Win10 as a software
wrapper around Altium Designer) ? So, apologies Onno, this
post is a long time coming. </p>
<p>With the next Installfest less that a week away, I
thought I'd explain why I asked the committee if I could
run a series of Installfests this year. The journey begins
in the last millennium.</p>
<p>I'd been using Linux for a few years by 1999 although I
think the first system in the house was a firewall
installed for us by Harry Protoolis around 1994.</p>
<p>In the late 90's the Coalition Federal government needed
support from a Tasmanian senator for <some unrelated
bill> and he predicated his vote on the introduction of
a net censorship bill. Wikipedia is light on the
machinations but EFA has some archive material:</p>
<p><a href="https://efa.org.au/media-releases-archive/"
id="m_-4400368958108566093OWAbb1659ba-41b9-e624-35cb-1628cf8b493d"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://efa.org.au/media-releases-archive/</a></p>
<p>There was a lot of campaigning by the EFA and the first
(of not very many) political rally I attended was the
Anti-Censorship Protest in Perth May 28, 1999.</p>
<p>See: <a
href="https://www.efa.org.au/Campaigns/may28/perth/index.html"
id="m_-4400368958108566093OWA25491877-3d3c-edf4-3853-bbe5ff7794d1"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">
https://www.efa.org.au/Campaigns/may28/perth/index.html</a></p>
<p>My reason for taking part was a technical one; that the
methods they were proposing would not work and it was easy
to take that position because CSIRO were an
authoritative source that were informing parliament in the
same way.</p>
<p>The political reaction was savage. For anyone that
remembers, the tactic taken was that anyone who opposed
the Online Services Bill was a bomb maker, drug dealer, or
child molester.</p>
<p>I wondered, outside of the astonishment and outrage, if
more people were better informed about what the Internet
offered, then the debate might be more rational.</p>
<p>That started what turned out to be 7 years of
participation in Computer Angels in various roles and I am
forever grateful for the participation of so many other
technical supporters and non-technical volunteers for what
was a free training and awareness organisation that
supported that with a free re-furbished Linux computer. </p>
<p>But while there was a lot of support from all sides with
time and knowledge, the thing we constantly struggled with
was financial; a premises needed rent and disposal costs
for "working glass monitors" that were found to have weeds
growing through them meant we were constantly looking for
operating funds. </p>
<p>That really wore us out and stopped us in 2007.
Associations law required that we had to wind up in the
black and boxes and boxes of IEC power cables became a
skip full which went away for chipping to copper scrap.
The copper price was at a peak and we got $2400 (I think)
for the scrap which cleared our debts and, as required to
wind up, we passed the remainder to "a like-minded
association" which naturally was PLUG.</p>
<p>I've also learned that a past Benjamin (we have a few)
donated all fees from one of his consulting contracts on
to PLUG so these intermittent cash injections have helped
PLUG continue to host events; albeit frugally.</p>
<p>Skip to late 2025 and this year and with Online Services
(Age Restrictions) Bill and AI and I wondered if
Installfests could encourage a new group of users to
install Linux or become proficient with independent
content using Hugo or a Mastodon server.</p>
<p>James has demonstrated the minimal cost required to host
PLUG on Digital Lane and my own interest is still
RaspberryPi hosting on a home network. Could PLUG share
Ansible scripts or configured RPi images to download to
offer alternatives to social media algorithms ? </p>
<p>So far public attendance at the Installfests has been
mute but I have extended the promotion this time to see if
we can reach people to simply install on a retired machine
and give it a try. I see it as a Computer Angels flashmob;
all the fun but at much lower cost.</p>
<p>So the event this Saturday is on the usual page.
<a href="https://plug.org.au/installfest"
id="m_-4400368958108566093OWAeaa10e71-509f-1751-1a5f-f706e041230a"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">
https://plug.org.au/installfest</a></p>
<p>Committee has added backup/restore as a theme and I have
extended the RPi theme if anyone wants to bring ideas for
home hosting servers or all other things Pi. If you let
the list know if you are coming for an hour and what time
then it is an opportunity to get like-minded project ideas
at certain times.</p>
<p>If we get more public attendees then more hands will be
helpful. If we don't, then we can hear your ideas and
projects that you can bring. It would be great to see you
and them.</p>
<p>All the best<br>
Harry</p>
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