[plug] So we have lost the point (was Help overclocking celeron)

[Michael Hunt]

I thought this was a PLUG (Perth Linux User Group) mailing list.

Wasn't the original point about hardware and overclocking ?

I can certainly see how valid discussion on operating systems can be useful
to a group like this, but it seems to me you have lost the point "Bill G.
Gruff" if you that (to quote)

> Have you ever thought that maybe it's us windows users
> who are getting Real Work Done that are superior to you.

Tell me do you think that the system admins at Networx are not doing any
"Real Work" even though they support and provide you with Internet services.
And not just you but many other customers with solutions that are not all
based around "Bill's OS of choice" ? Are not NASA, Cisco the US Post office,
Universities, Research institutions, the military, etc etc etc etc using
Unix based solutions for doing "Real Work" ? Next time you go to a hospital
with a serious injury, ask them if they are using a windows based solution.
I think you'll find that you'll have to check out as these people aren't
doing any "real work" according to your definition.

> I can do very complex things in windows. You can do almost anything with
> Visual Basic, and you don't even have to know anything about programming.

Two things about VB One its is Visual (i.e. has a graphical front end) and
two it is Basic (easy). MS want it that way so that you relied more heavily
on paying them money for there solutions. I can write complex things in
Perl, C, sed, AWK, Java etc and using some utilities and other people's code
I can get by with out knowing anything about programming, but that doesn't:

1. Make me a programmer
2. Make my programs any good.

You seem to me to be a donkey that has been lead up the garden path by the
MS carrot dangling from a stick and now you want to be the one who tries and
leads other up the same path.  Then you go onto say about the uptime of
Linux boxes in comparison to Windows NT

> That's nothing. I've had an NT box that ran 12 hours a day for 3 months
> without crashing.

Don't you realise there are 24 hours in a day ? Some of us administer boxes
that are mission critical and have to be up 24 hrs a day. Even a reboot can
cost big bucks because we have brought the box done and production time has
been lost.

All I can suggest is that you are living in a world where you have a clouded
judgement that has all been brought about by looking at a MS background for
to long.

Please go back there and let us get some real work helping people done.