[plug] unsubscibe ATTN: LIST OWNER

[Simon Scott]

	You are probably right, but I cant seem to find the setting in Lotus
notes.... Notes is SOOOOOO overly complex its not funny, and I cant even
find the wrap value...

	ANybody else use Notes here?




	From:	bp <plug at broometime.com> on 26-03-2001 10:02 AM
	Please respond to plug at plug.linux.org.au@SMTP at Exchange
	To:	plug at plug.linux.org.au@SMTP at Exchange
	cc:	 

	Subject:	RE: [plug] unsubscibe ATTN: LIST OWNER

	simon

	All your emails come through with the line wrapping all messed up -
does
	anybody else notice this.  I set my outgoing email line wrapping to
75
	lines I think.

	Is this just my problem or what ?

	bp

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Simon Scott [mailto:simon.scott at flexiplan.com]
	Sent: Monday, 26 March 2001 9:53 AM
	To: plug at plug.linux.org.au
	Subject: Re: [plug] unsubscibe ATTN: LIST OWNER


		How about subscribing them instantly? Stay with me, that way
you
	could send the old test

			1. Read all points below before doing anything.
			2. Send an email to plug-request with the subject
	'subscribe'. Any decent email client blah blah
			......
			10. Do none of the points above. You are already
subscribed
	and any action on your behalf will result in a permanent ban.....

		If anyone responds to the email, add unsubscribe them and
add them
	to the 'stupid' list :)




		From:	Christian <christian at amnet.net.au> on 26-03-2001
09:49 AM
		Please respond to plug at plug.linux.org.au@SMTP at Exchange
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		cc:

		Subject:	Re: [plug] unsubscibe ATTN: LIST OWNER

		On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 03:49:22PM +0800, The Thought
Assassin
	wrote:

		> How were you planning on filtering people who can't even
spell
		> "unsubscribe", Bernard? :)
		>
		> > or simply attach the line: "To unsubscribe <do this>"
		> > as a footer to every message? 100 bytes x what 300
users?... 30
	kb.
		> > Think of the bandwidth it'd save in the bitching going
on.
		>
		> It's not per user, it's per post. Even if it prevented the
	problem, it
		> would waste more bandwidth than it saves. In reality, it
doesn't
	even
		> solve the problem. I speak from experience of other lists
that do
	this,
		> and I'm sure others here will be nodding their heads. If
people
	aren't
		> going to read what you send them, it doesn't matter how or
how
	often you
		> send it. *sigh*. I don't think this problem has an easy
solution,
	short of
		> not letting people who won't read doco onto the list in
the first
	place,
		> and that kind of defeats one of the major purposes of the
list.
	(teaching
		> people how and where to look for appropriate doco, and how
to use
	it)

		Spot on.  My proposal is that, in order to join the list,
the person
	has
		to:
		  1. Send an email to a certain address with the "subscribe"
	request.
		     The email will be rejected with an appropriate (rude?)
message
	if they
		     send HTML.
		  2. Read the instructions in the response they get to learn
how to
		     complete the subscription process.  In particular it
tells them
	how to
		     unsubscribe and makes it really clear that if they
stuff it up
	then they
		     won't be all that popular.  The instructions to
complete
	subscription
		     must require that the person read all of the email (an
exercise
	left to
		     the readership) and not be too hard while still
requiring
	actual
		     *thought*.
		  3. The subscription completion process also represents an
	agreement to
		     endeavour to abide by some informal code of conduct for
the
	list which I
		     think is already established.

		It won't necessarily solve the problem but it will hopefully
help.

		All emails accusing me of attempting to create a police
state to
		/dev/null please.

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