Hey, I dunno if you guys hang anywhere on IRC, but for those of you who like to IRC (children! ;p) come to irc.openprojects.net and join #plug.org.au (#plug was taken :( lol Philly LUG) and yeh, the debian channel is here to (same network as irc.debian.org) cyas -*- If Linux doesn't have the solution, you have the wrong problem -*-