[plug] International student w/ DDoS and social engineering history

[Chris Caston]

On Tue, 2005-07-05 at 13:42, Chris Caston wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-07-05 at 13:12, Russell Steicke wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 12:41:33PM +0800, Alex Polglaze wrote:
> > > You just try harder. If it was easy everyone would do. It just soviety's 
> >                                                                  ^^^^^^
> > > way of rewarding effort.
> > 
> > That's the most amusing spelling mistake I've seen in a long while.
> > :)
> > 
> > > A fact of life is that most people give up and then envy those who have 
> > > succedded. Everybody comes into this world with the same opportunity. Take 
> > > Bill Wylie as an example, he was born in a tiny, tiny town like Tone River 
> > > or something like that, that very few people have even heard of, let alone 
> > > been there. He made it. Dick Smith is a nother example, Sir Richard 
> > > Branson, Anita Roddick. How many examples do you want, of people who have 
> > > stated with nothing, absolutely nothing and built vast empires and at the 
> > > same time are good corporate citizens and good citizens in general.
> > 
> > The problem with this argument is the implicit assumption that because
> > one person (or N people, for values of N significantly less than the
> > population size) can do this, then everyone can do it.  It's
> > impossible for everyone to build vast empires.  Dick Smith and Richard
> > Branson require most of us to be ordinary, in order for their
> > businesses to work.  (Yes, I know Dicky sold his stuff to Woolworths
> > and doesn't run the chain any more, but the point stands.)
> > 
> > I don't give a flying how many examples of enormous wealth you can
> > come up with, but I also don't begrudge the people in your examples
> > their wealth, as long as it's accumulated legally and ethically.
> > What's important is that everyone has a chance to be ordinary, where
> > "ordinary" includes "comfortable" and "secure".  Examples of people
> > who try and get screwed over trump examples of people who try and
> > succeed.  If they don't then we're playing statistical games with
> > people's lives.
> > 
> 
> How about?
> 
> Option 
> (1) Allow them to work in a job
> -or-
> (2) Allow them to start their own business and give other people jobs
> or
> (3) Admit the truth that you just want them to disappear of the face of
> the planet 
> 


To clarify I wasn't suggesting the that are the options Russell gives
but the options that we as a society have when it comes to what we
decide to do with willing producers.

Perhaps 3 really means the to hard basket.
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