[plug] Re: plug Digest, Vol 39, Issue 8
Silvio
sb at esolar.com.au
Wed May 9 14:38:31 WST 2007
Hello,
Does anyone know where can I get the Ubuntu 7.04 CD in Perth?
Thanks,
Silvio
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1. Re: Removing a disk from LVM (Nigel Duff)
2. Non-linux printers (Richard Meyer)
3. Re: Non-linux printers (Denis Brown)
4. Re: Non-linux printers (Richard Meyer)
5. Re: Non-linux printers (Cameron Patrick)
6. Re: Non-linux printers (Arie Hol)
7. Re: Non-linux printers (Michael Holland)
8. Re: Non-linux printers - Update (Arie Hol)
9. Non-linux printers - Update(2) (Arie Hol)
10. Re: Non-linux printers (W.Kenworthy)
11. Re: Non-linux printers - Update(2) (Richard Meyer)
12. Re: Re: Returned mail: see transcript for details
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 19:30:59 +0800
From: Nigel Duff <nigel at dubh.id.au>
Subject: Re: [plug] Removing a disk from LVM
To: plug at plug.org.au
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On Sat, May 05, 2007 at 12:18:02PM +0800, Scott Middleton wrote:
> If you do get a workable solution please do not forget to tell us.
Just an update. Over the weekend the box stopped responding while
it was doing an e2fsck. When it came back up yesterday I
completed the e2fsck and tried a resize2fs. This too failed.
I am currently moving the data off in readiness to wipe the
volume and rebuild a new one without the dead hard drive.
Many thanks to Ian Kent and the others who offered suggestions.
Nigel
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 21:39:23 +0800
From: Richard Meyer <meyerri at westnet.com.au>
Subject: [plug] Non-linux printers
To: PLUG <plug at plug.org.au>
Message-ID: <1178631563.4291.14.camel at Umfolozi.Rich.org.au>
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Hi all,
Just a question. Let us suppose that there is a customer who has a whole
shedload of Dell and Lexmark printers attached to Windows servers. These
printers do NOT have Linux drivers. Changing printers to something else
is not an option.
He wishes to start moving Linux desktops into the mix. How does he print
from the Linux boxes? Is there a Proggie for windows that'll take
Postscript from the Linux boxes and spew it out on the printers maybe?
Any ideas gratefully received.
--
Richard Meyer <meyerri at westnet.com.au>
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom.
It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
William Pitt, 1783
Linux Counter user #306629
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 22:04:29 +0800
From: Denis Brown <dsbrown at cyllene.uwa.edu.au>
Subject: Re: [plug] Non-linux printers
To: plug at plug.org.au
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20070508215713.03c7d140 at cyllene.uwa.edu.au>
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At 09:39 PM 8/05/2007, Richard Meyer wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Just a question. Let us suppose that there is a customer who has a whole
>shedload of Dell and Lexmark printers attached to Windows servers. These
>printers do NOT have Linux drivers. Changing printers to something else
>is not an option.
>
>He wishes to start moving Linux desktops into the mix. How does he print
>from the Linux boxes? Is there a Proggie for windows that'll take
>Postscript from the Linux boxes and spew it out on the printers maybe?
>
>Any ideas gratefully received.
First thought I had is...
Printers, being mechanical devices, will sooner or later wear out. So why
not couple them up to some headless-as-possible Windows boxes that do
nothing other than print spooling for those printers.
When the printers all eventually die, the Win boxes retire too. Meantime,
Linux-friendly printers begin their entrance to the mix.
Since you only need spooling, some of the retired Win desktops
automatically become $0.00 print servers. Not even any real need to keep
them up to date with patches since they'll be firewalled off, I imagine.
HTH,
Denis
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 22:29:18 +0800
From: Richard Meyer <meyerri at westnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [plug] Non-linux printers
To: plug at plug.org.au
Message-ID: <1178634559.4291.19.camel at Umfolozi.Rich.org.au>
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On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 22:04 +0800, Denis Brown wrote:
> At 09:39 PM 8/05/2007, Richard Meyer wrote:
> >Hi all,
> >
> >Just a question. Let us suppose that there is a customer who has a whole
> >shedload of Dell and Lexmark printers attached to Windows servers. These
> >printers do NOT have Linux drivers. Changing printers to something else
> >is not an option.
> >
> >He wishes to start moving Linux desktops into the mix. How does he print
> >from the Linux boxes? Is there a Proggie for windows that'll take
> >Postscript from the Linux boxes and spew it out on the printers maybe?
> >
> >Any ideas gratefully received.
>
> First thought I had is...
>
> Printers, being mechanical devices, will sooner or later wear out. So why
> not couple them up to some headless-as-possible Windows boxes that do
> nothing other than print spooling for those printers.
>
> When the printers all eventually die, the Win boxes retire too. Meantime,
> Linux-friendly printers begin their entrance to the mix.
>
> Since you only need spooling, some of the retired Win desktops
> automatically become $0.00 print servers. Not even any real need to keep
> them up to date with patches since they'll be firewalled off, I imagine.
>
> HTH,
> Denis
Um, not quite what I was hoping for. The general idea is about what we
were wanting to do, BUT, how would we print from the Linux boxen to the
queues on the Win boxes, since all the Googling I've done suggests that
the Linux boxes HAVE to have the printer drivers installed to print via
SAMBA.
It's the "how do I get printouts from the Linux boxes to the Win boxes
to the unsupported (under Linux) printers" that I'm lacking. Any ideas?
--
Richard Meyer <meyerri at westnet.com.au>
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom.
It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
William Pitt, 1783
Linux Counter user #306629
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 22:47:33 +0800
From: Cameron Patrick <cameron at patrick.wattle.id.au>
Subject: Re: [plug] Non-linux printers
To: plug at plug.org.au
Message-ID: <20070508144733.GB3435 at mersenne.largestprime.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Richard Meyer wrote:
> Um, not quite what I was hoping for. The general idea is about what we
> were wanting to do, BUT, how would we print from the Linux boxen to the
> queues on the Win boxes, since all the Googling I've done suggests that
> the Linux boxes HAVE to have the printer drivers installed to print via
> SAMBA.
>
> It's the "how do I get printouts from the Linux boxes to the Win boxes
> to the unsupported (under Linux) printers" that I'm lacking. Any ideas?
It wouldn't surprise me if someone had written a Windows printer driver
that fed postscript to Ghostscript for Windows. This mailing list post
mentions a programme called "RedMon" that may do the trick:
http://www.ghostscript.com/pipermail/gsview/2002-December/000109.html
Cameron
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 23:16:04 +0800
From: "Arie Hol" <arie99 at ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Re: [plug] Non-linux printers
To: plug at plug.org.au
Message-ID: <464104B4.13078.1974DCF at localhost>
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On 8 May 2007 at 22:47, Cameron Patrick wrote:
> Richard Meyer wrote:
>
8<---------------- snip -------------------->8
> It wouldn't surprise me if someone had written a Windows printer driver
> that fed postscript to Ghostscript for Windows. This mailing list post
> mentions a programme called "RedMon" that may do the trick:
>
> http://www.ghostscript.com/pipermail/gsview/2002-
December/000109.h
> tml
>
There is a project on Sourceforge which provides a utility for generating
PDF files from any application in Windows - it installs as a printer
driver - goto :
http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/
The software was written using Visual Basic and is released under the
GPL.
Source code is also available at :
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=57796
If you can print it in Windows - you can make a PDF of it using
PDFCreator.
Once it is installed it also can be shared over a network of Windows
computers - but I cannot verify if it will handle spooling or print jobs
from Linux boxes on the same network.
If you get somone to look at the source code - then maybe writing a patch
for it could solve the problem - I hope.
Regards Arie
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 23:15:15 +0800 (WST)
From: Michael Holland <myk at myk.id.au>
Subject: Re: [plug] Non-linux printers
To: PLUG <plug at plug.org.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0705082307500.3822 at harvey.lan>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
On Tue, 8 May 2007, Richard Meyer wrote:
> Is there a Proggie for windows that'll take
> Postscript from the Linux boxes and spew it out on the printers maybe?
So the ideal is a win32 program that provides a virtual printer via SMB?
But failing that, some trivial scripting on either end could do the job,
if you don't mind loosing the ability to cancel jobs.
How about an SMTP-to-print gateway?
Could you run a LPD or CUPS print server under Cygwin?
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 23:20:36 +0800
From: "Arie Hol" <arie99 at ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Re: [plug] Non-linux printers - Update
To: plug at plug.org.au
Message-ID: <464105C4.6274.19B777A at localhost>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
On 8 May 2007 at 23:16, Arie Hol wrote:
> There is a project on Sourceforge which provides a utility for
generating
> PDF files from any application in Windows - it installs as a printer
> driver - goto :
>
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/
>
> The software was written using Visual Basic and is released under the
GPL.
>
> Source code is also available at :
>
> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=57796
>
> If you can print it in Windows - you can make a PDF of it using
> PDFCreator.
>
> Once it is installed it also can be shared over a network of Windows
> computers - but I cannot verify if it will handle spooling or print
jobs
> from Linux boxes on the same network.
>
> If you get somone to look at the source code - then maybe writing a
patch
> for it could solve the problem - I hope.
>
PDFcreator binaries/executables are available with and without support
for Ghostscript.
Regards Arie
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 00:32:09 +0800
From: "Arie Hol" <arie99 at ozemail.com.au>
Subject: [plug] Non-linux printers - Update(2)
To: plug at plug.org.au
Message-ID: <46411689.29152.226CBE at localhost>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
PDFCreator installs on Windows with the following files :
"ghostpdf.inf" and "ghostpdf.ppd"
Contents of the "ghostpdf.inf" file
========================
; GHOSTPDF.INF (for Windows XP)
[Version]
Signature="$Windows NT$"
Provider=Ghostgum Software Pty Ltd
ClassGUID={4D36E979-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}
Class=Printer
CatalogFile=oemprint.cat
DriverVer=08/19/2004,1.0.0.0
; Manufacturer section
[Manufacturer]
"Ghostscript"
; Model section
[Ghostscript]
"Ghostscript PDF" = GHOSTPDF.PPD, Ghostscript_PDF, Ghostscript_PDF_Writer
; Installer section
[GHOSTPDF.PPD]
CopyFiles=@GHOSTPDF.PPD
DataSection=PSCRIPT_DATA
Include=NTPRINT.INF
Needs=PSCRIPT.OEM
[DestinationDirs]
DefaultDestDir=66000
[SourceDisksNames]
1=%Disk1%,,,""
[SourceDisksFiles]
GHOSTPDF.PPD =1
[Strings]
Disk1="Ghostscript PPD Setup Disk 1"
; end of ghostpdf.inf
============================
The header of the "ghostpdf.inf" file
==========================
*PPD-Adobe: "4.3"
*FileVersion: "1.1"
*FormatVersion: "4.3"
*LanguageEncoding: "ISOLatin1"
*LanguageVersion: "English"
*Manufacturer: "Ghostscript"
*ModelName: "Ghostscript PDF Writer"
*NickName: "Ghostscript"
*% PCFileName should be of the form XXNNNNNN.PDF where XX is an assigned
*% manufacturer code.
*PCFileName: "GHOSTPDF.PDF"
*PPD-Adobe: "4.3"
*Product: "(AFPL Ghostscript)"
*Product: "(GNU Ghostscript)"
*Product: "(GPL Ghostscript)"
*Product: "(Ghostscript)"
*PSVersion: "(3010) 815"
*ShortNickName: "Ghostscript"
============================
Perhaps these files could provide the information required to set up
PDFCreator as a Windows printer driver which can handle print jobs from
Linux boxes.
The PDFcreator printer driver should be installed on the Windows print
server and then be configured to "print direct to printer" - one click in
the "Advanced" settings for PDFcreator will take care of this.
Good luck with this if you are game to try.
Regards Arie
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 06:49:31 +0800
From: "W.Kenworthy" <billk at iinet.net.au>
Subject: Re: [plug] Non-linux printers
To: plug at plug.org.au
Message-ID: <1178664571.17637.37.camel at bunyip.localdomain>
Content-Type: text/plain
are you sure linux drivers are not available? Having had a dell printer
at one point (a rebadged lexmark when you looked into it), it printed
quite nicely after installing a third party driver. Then again, also
based on my experience, within a couple of weeks you will be throwing
them in the bin as they will have worn out, or you cant get ink for them
when you need it! :(
BillK
On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 21:39 +0800, Richard Meyer wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Just a question. Let us suppose that there is a customer who has a whole
> shedload of Dell and Lexmark printers attached to Windows servers. These
> printers do NOT have Linux drivers. Changing printers to something else
> is not an option.
>
> He wishes to start moving Linux desktops into the mix. How does he print
> from the Linux boxes? Is there a Proggie for windows that'll take
> Postscript from the Linux boxes and spew it out on the printers maybe?
>
> Any ideas gratefully received.
------------------------------
Message: 11
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 11:07:34 +0800
From: Richard Meyer <meyerri at westnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [plug] Non-linux printers - Update(2)
To: plug at plug.org.au
Message-ID: <1178680054.4367.6.camel at Umfolozi.Rich.org.au>
Content-Type: text/plain
Thanks to Arie, Bill, Michael, Cameron, Denis,
It appears that there is no "standard" way to get this going, by just a
few adjustments to SAMBA or something.
I'll look around some more and see what else I can find.
Thanks to all
RM
On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 00:32 +0800, Arie Hol wrote:
>
> PDFCreator installs on Windows with the following files :
>
> "ghostpdf.inf" and "ghostpdf.ppd"
>
>
> Contents of the "ghostpdf.inf" file
> ========================
>
> ; GHOSTPDF.INF (for Windows XP)
>
> [Version]
> Signature="$Windows NT$"
> Provider=Ghostgum Software Pty Ltd
> ClassGUID={4D36E979-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}
> Class=Printer
> CatalogFile=oemprint.cat
>
> DriverVer=08/19/2004,1.0.0.0
>
> ; Manufacturer section
> [Manufacturer]
> "Ghostscript"
>
> ; Model section
> [Ghostscript]
> "Ghostscript PDF" = GHOSTPDF.PPD, Ghostscript_PDF, Ghostscript_PDF_Writer
>
> ; Installer section
> [GHOSTPDF.PPD]
> CopyFiles=@GHOSTPDF.PPD
> DataSection=PSCRIPT_DATA
> Include=NTPRINT.INF
> Needs=PSCRIPT.OEM
>
> [DestinationDirs]
> DefaultDestDir=66000
>
> [SourceDisksNames]
> 1=%Disk1%,,,""
>
> [SourceDisksFiles]
> GHOSTPDF.PPD =1
>
> [Strings]
> Disk1="Ghostscript PPD Setup Disk 1"
> ; end of ghostpdf.inf
>
> ============================
>
>
> The header of the "ghostpdf.inf" file
> ==========================
> *PPD-Adobe: "4.3"
> *FileVersion: "1.1"
> *FormatVersion: "4.3"
> *LanguageEncoding: "ISOLatin1"
> *LanguageVersion: "English"
> *Manufacturer: "Ghostscript"
> *ModelName: "Ghostscript PDF Writer"
> *NickName: "Ghostscript"
> *% PCFileName should be of the form XXNNNNNN.PDF where XX is an assigned
> *% manufacturer code.
> *PCFileName: "GHOSTPDF.PDF"
> *PPD-Adobe: "4.3"
> *Product: "(AFPL Ghostscript)"
> *Product: "(GNU Ghostscript)"
> *Product: "(GPL Ghostscript)"
> *Product: "(Ghostscript)"
> *PSVersion: "(3010) 815"
> *ShortNickName: "Ghostscript"
> ============================
>
> Perhaps these files could provide the information required to set up
> PDFCreator as a Windows printer driver which can handle print jobs from
> Linux boxes.
>
> The PDFcreator printer driver should be installed on the Windows print
> server and then be configured to "print direct to printer" - one click in
> the "Advanced" settings for PDFcreator will take care of this.
>
> Good luck with this if you are game to try.
>
> Regards Arie
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> For the concert of life, nobody has a program.
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Richard Meyer <meyerri at westnet.com.au>
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom.
It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
William Pitt, 1783
Linux Counter user #306629
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 11:45:34 +0800
From: hatari at iinet.net.au
Subject: Re: [plug] Re: Returned mail: see transcript for details
To: plug at plug.org.au
Message-ID: <4641B45E.9.5E40A3 at localhost>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>On 1 May 2007 at 19:13, Cameron Patrick wrote:
> Arie Hol wrote:
>
> > Every time I reply to a message from the PLUG mailing list I get the
> > following response from anonymous (see below).
> >
> > Is this designed to piss me off, or is there something going wrong with
> > the mail server ?
>
> Hi Arie,
>
> Yes, it's a cunning plot specifically to piss you off.^W^W^W^W^W^W^W^W
>
> I've just had a look at the mail server logs on PLUG's servers. The
> only messages being sent to you are list traffic. I'm at a loss to
> explain what you're seeing, but I doubt it's something that the PLUG
> admins can fix directly. Would you mind sending me (off-list) the full
> headers of these bounce messages you've been getting?
>
> Regards,
>
> Cameron
>
> _______________________________________________
> PLUG discussion list: plug at plug.org.au
> http://www.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
> Committee e-mail: committee at plug.linux.org.au
>
>
> --
> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.18.23/740 - Release Date: 30/03/07
>
Cameron, et al,
What was the outcome of this. Hope it was resolved. Can you post the resolution on the list.
P.S. Ari, who is your ISP?
Regards,
wayne
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Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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