[plug] Ubuntu on older 8.04 on older machines

[Blake Munro]

I might be a little biased, but I use Red hat servers at work and Debian
based systems after hours, and I find the debian based package managers
faaaaaaar easier to use.
Infact I hate yum, yast, any other package manager - i'm a pure apt-get boy.

I find that on redhat systems there are much less packages available in
total, therefore to the newbie linux user I would always suggest a debian
based system (ubuntu, knoppix, mint etc)

Blake

2008/8/3 Richard Meyer <meyerri at westnet.com.au>

>
> Dammit I hate this ... but WTF,
>
> Please explain how you equate Debian's package management to Red Hat's
> RPMs. (I was trying to find equivalents, but it was like comparing the
> manufacture of chamber pots to the mechanisms for removing the offending
> vessel from the royal bed-chamber). They are different things for
> goodness sake.
>
> Debian uses *.deb packages - Red Hat and others use *.rpm packages.
> Neither is "easier" or "harder" to install with the right tools - if you
> are talking about "synaptic" being easier than "yum", you might well be
> right, but their are MANY package managers that accommodate RPM
> packages, including Smart, Synaptic (see above), Yast and others.
>
> I appreciate that you have your own ideas, please formulate them so that
> you are comparing Intels with Intels (or even AMDs).
>
> I s'pose I'm getting overwrought for no real good reason, but I hate to
> see the foggy thinking that allows one to write about Debian's package
> management and compare it to a rival's package.  NOT THE SAME THING.
>
> Again - it's Sunday night, and I've had a long day of wine and
> cavorting ....
>
> On Sun, 2008-08-03 at 19:07 +0800, Kai wrote:
> > Hi Blake,
> >
> > I followed the link given by Keith and 17% through downloading the i386
> > iso now.
> >
> > Don't need a gui, but figured I may as well have a look at it, see how
> > well it performs on this old Presario 2200 laptop which got handed to me
> > yesterday with no documentation and no disks - just the laptop and carry
> > bag. Previous owners didn't want it 'cause it "didn't work", it was full
> > of malware, errors and crap. I reinstalled it with eXPensive and that
> > works fine so I'll give Ubuntu a go and see how it performs :)
> >
> > That and the old PIII 600 desktop form factor machine I have sitting
> > here with Fedora 4 on it, wanna wipe that and install with Ubuntu since
> > I find Debian's package management to be so much easier than Fedora/Red
> > Hat RPM's
> >
> > Cheers
> > Kai
> >
> > Blake Munro wrote:
> > > Hey Kai,
> > >
> > > Yep - use the alternate ISO that you can download. It is fully text
> > > based and will work a charm.
> > > If you don't need a GUI, then go for the server version :)
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Blake
> > >
> > > 2008/8/3 Keith Bawden <keith at bawdo.com <mailto:keith at bawdo.com>>
> > >
> > >     On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 18:36, Kai <vk6ksj at westnet.com.au
> > >     <mailto:vk6ksj at westnet.com.au>> wrote:
> > >      > How are we all ? enjoying the cold, windy days down in Perth,
> > >
> > >     Nope I'm in balmy Tokyo :-)
> > >
> > >      > Is there a text only mode or something which I haven't figured
> out,
> > >
> > >     A little googling suggest you need the "alternate install CD"
> > >
> > >     http://ftp.iinet.net.au/pub/ubuntu-releases/8.04.1/
> > >
> > >      > If Ubuntu isn't recommended for older machines I'm all ears for
> any
> > >      > feedback.
> > >
> > >     Will this be a desktop machine? If so then I don't think your
> choice
> > >     of distro will be as limiting a factor as your choice of window
> > >     manager. Maybe something like xfce, wmaker or my personal choice
> wmii.
> > >
> > >     Regards, Keith
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> Richard Meyer
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> It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
> William Pitt, 1783
>
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Regards,

Blake Munro
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