[plug] Wireless-N router for faster wireless....

William Kenworthy billk at iinet.net.au
Tue Jan 20 12:18:12 WST 2009 

Look at getting one which will take something like ddwrt, tomato or
other reflash (I am using a netgear WRT150N - useless using the lynksys
firmware - really good using ddwrt).

BillK

On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 11:23 +0900, Lucas van Staden wrote:
> Arrrgh
> 
> Scratch that idea.
> 
> The media server mb only has 2 x pci slots - both in use by the main 
> wireless card and the dvb card.
> Typical.
> 
> I think I will just go out and buy another AP, and solve the issue that 
> way. I can go with a usb adapter, but as I am gonna spend some money, I 
> will just go and get a new AP.
> 
> I will put the new AP by the media server, and connect the media server 
> to it via the wired ethernet port, and bridge this AP to the main one to 
> give the PS3 internet access via it.
> 
> Seems, in the end, the simplest solution to seperate the channels.
> 
> I am shying away from the Throttling idea, as I would prefer to have my 
> other machines do their thing as per normal.
> 
> I can just upgrade the current AP to get one with QoS, but as I am going 
> to buy a new AP (one that does not have a modem, so it will be cheaper), 
> I can just as well seperate the channels, as that seems to be the best 
> described way to go with this, to yield the best results.
> 
> Thank you for the information and assistance, it really helped to decide 
> which way to go with this.
> 
> -Lucas
> 
> 
> 
> William Kenworthy wrote:
> > This is probably the way to go then - many client AP's wont do AP mode,
> > but it should do adhoc mode (basicly a peer to peer mode) - use the host
> > to bridge it onto the desired network.
> >
> > BillK
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 10:59 +0900, Lucas van Staden wrote:
> >   
> >> Ok, this is just another wild idea.
> >>
> >> Just throwing ideas out there, checking all possibles, before I go spend 
> >> money, and find I could have done this without forking out cash.
> >>
> >> I have some spare pci wireless cards.
> >>
> >> Can I not add another card to the media server, and setup that card in 
> >> the media server to act as a access point, on it's own channel.
> >> I can then get the PS3 to connect to this access point, rather than the 
> >> actual router, and thus the PS3 and the mediaserver would have their own 
> >> seperate
> >> channel, thus their own bandwidth between them. In effect same setup as 
> >> having another AP on the network.
> >>
> >> As the media server has access onto the other network, I can then access 
> >> it from the other machines still.
> >>
> >> The next issue (if this is viable) is to get the ps3 to gain access to 
> >> the internet thereafter, but I would solve that as the next step.
> >>
> >> -Lucas
> >>
> >>
> >> William Kenworthy wrote:
> >>     
> >>> Yes, you have to separate the bandwidth - if you have two groups of
> >>> machines on different channels, you will need to bridge them - I think
> >>> upnp needs to be on the same subnet.  2nd cheap access point may be the
> >>> way to go?
> >>>
> >>> Also, if you can design it to be a totally isolated link, you might be
> >>> able to turn off WPA and gain quite a lot of bandwidth.  I would think
> >>> carefully about security and implications for the link ends first though
> >>> - I dont know enough about your endpoint and PS3 to say its safe or not.
> >>>
> >>> BillK
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 10:02 +0900, Lucas van Staden wrote:
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> I see.
> >>>>
> >>>> The netgear router I have is not that advanced.
> >>>> No QoS, and is a b/g router. Time for an upgrade me thinks.
> >>>>
> >>>> Basically (from the other post received) I gotta try and get the PS3 -> 
> >>>> MediaServer WAN on it's own channel.
> >>>>
> >>>> So other machines - channel 1
> >>>> PS3/Media Server - channel 6
> >>>>
> >>>> When they are on different channels, that then means they can't 'talk' 
> >>>> to each other? Correct?
> >>>> So my machines won't be able to access the media server, until I put 
> >>>> that back onto channel 1.
> >>>> This will be an issue.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -Lucas
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> William Kenworthy wrote:
> >>>>     
> >>>>         
> >>>>> If you have a g/a router, can you create a virtual AP on the A band for
> >>>>> the streams only? - or buy a second AP that does A?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> VLAN's with QOS may be another possibility depending on the capabilitoes
> >>>>> of the hardware.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I can stream mythTV at SD over g while my son is playing games without
> >>>>> either being affected.  HD only works with the laptop next to the AP
> >>>>> (lack of bandwidth).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In reality, separating the streams by using a second AP or spit as
> >>>>> suggested above is going to be the best solution.  Sharing bandwidth can
> >>>>> only go so far :(
> >>>>>
> >>>>> BillK
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 01:40 +0900, Lucas van Staden wrote:
> >>>>>   
> >>>>>       
> >>>>>           
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I stream media using MediaTomb to my PS3,  and when any of the other 
> >>>>>> machines are very busy on the network, then the PS3 media stream lags, 
> >>>>>> and the video stutters badly.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On my home network, I have my webserver, my media server, my office 
> >>>>>> machine, two laptops and of course the PS3.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am wondering about possible ways to improve the speed (or more 
> >>>>>> accurately, available bandwidth) between the media server and the PS3, 
> >>>>>> when I am busy with a stream.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> First thoughts - Hardware upgrades:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am considering updating my 'g' router to an 'n' router, and thus also 
> >>>>>> updating my network cards to 'n' compatible ones.
> >>>>>> I know the PS3 can only do 'g/b', but I figure if I upgrade the rest of 
> >>>>>> the network, to 'n', then the PS3 stream will have more bandwidth 
> >>>>>> available.
> >>>>>> Is my assumption correct here? Chances are that once the other machines 
> >>>>>> have more bandwidth available, they will just hog it all again, and I 
> >>>>>> will be back to where I started.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Another option would be to go with the 'n' upgrade above, but also get 
> >>>>>> an extra router, and connect that direct to the PS3 wired network port, 
> >>>>>> and thus get the ps3 to get onto the 'n' network.
> >>>>>> Again, the other machines could just hog more bandwidth, as there are 
> >>>>>> more available.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Second Idea:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Throttle the other machines when I stream to the PS3.
> >>>>>> Personally I think the throttling would be the best (and cheapest) 
> >>>>>> option, and one that I can actually control.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Any thoughts on this please, on how to improve the PS3/MediaTomb streams?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -Lucas
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>             
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William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
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