[plug] Wireless-N router for faster wireless....

[Matt Kemner]

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009, quoth Lucas van Staden:

> I think I will just go out and buy another AP, and solve the issue that
> way. I can go with a usb adapter, but as I am gonna spend some money, I
> will just go and get a new AP.
>
> Seems, in the end, the simplest solution to seperate the channels.

Make sure you seperate the APs themselves as well (by at least a few
metres) or they will interfere with each other even if they are not on
overlapping channels.

Mind you, you're not running 12km wireless links so it probably won't
affect you as badly as it has me in the past :)

 - Matt (remembering the WaFreeNet days, of people putting alfoil in
         between PCI wireless cards to reduce interference between them)

> I am shying away from the Throttling idea, as I would prefer to have my
> other machines do their thing as per normal.
>
> I can just upgrade the current AP to get one with QoS, but as I am going
> to buy a new AP (one that does not have a modem, so it will be cheaper),
> I can just as well seperate the channels, as that seems to be the best
> described way to go with this, to yield the best results.
>
> Thank you for the information and assistance, it really helped to decide
> which way to go with this.
>
> -Lucas
>
>
>
> William Kenworthy wrote:
> > This is probably the way to go then - many client AP's wont do AP mode,
> > but it should do adhoc mode (basicly a peer to peer mode) - use the host
> > to bridge it onto the desired network.
> >
> > BillK
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 10:59 +0900, Lucas van Staden wrote:
> >
> >> Ok, this is just another wild idea.
> >>
> >> Just throwing ideas out there, checking all possibles, before I go spend
> >> money, and find I could have done this without forking out cash.
> >>
> >> I have some spare pci wireless cards.
> >>
> >> Can I not add another card to the media server, and setup that card in
> >> the media server to act as a access point, on it's own channel.
> >> I can then get the PS3 to connect to this access point, rather than the
> >> actual router, and thus the PS3 and the mediaserver would have their own
> >> seperate
> >> channel, thus their own bandwidth between them. In effect same setup as
> >> having another AP on the network.
> >>
> >> As the media server has access onto the other network, I can then access
> >> it from the other machines still.
> >>
> >> The next issue (if this is viable) is to get the ps3 to gain access to
> >> the internet thereafter, but I would solve that as the next step.
> >>
> >> -Lucas
> >>
> >>
> >> William Kenworthy wrote:
> >>
> >>> Yes, you have to separate the bandwidth - if you have two groups of
> >>> machines on different channels, you will need to bridge them - I think
> >>> upnp needs to be on the same subnet.  2nd cheap access point may be the
> >>> way to go?
> >>>
> >>> Also, if you can design it to be a totally isolated link, you might be
> >>> able to turn off WPA and gain quite a lot of bandwidth.  I would think
> >>> carefully about security and implications for the link ends first though
> >>> - I dont know enough about your endpoint and PS3 to say its safe or not.
> >>>
> >>> BillK
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 10:02 +0900, Lucas van Staden wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> I see.
> >>>>
> >>>> The netgear router I have is not that advanced.
> >>>> No QoS, and is a b/g router. Time for an upgrade me thinks.
> >>>>
> >>>> Basically (from the other post received) I gotta try and get the PS3 ->
> >>>> MediaServer WAN on it's own channel.
> >>>>
> >>>> So other machines - channel 1
> >>>> PS3/Media Server - channel 6
> >>>>
> >>>> When they are on different channels, that then means they can't 'talk'
> >>>> to each other? Correct?
> >>>> So my machines won't be able to access the media server, until I put
> >>>> that back onto channel 1.
> >>>> This will be an issue.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -Lucas
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> William Kenworthy wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> If you have a g/a router, can you create a virtual AP on the A band for
> >>>>> the streams only? - or buy a second AP that does A?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> VLAN's with QOS may be another possibility depending on the capabilitoes
> >>>>> of the hardware.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I can stream mythTV at SD over g while my son is playing games without
> >>>>> either being affected.  HD only works with the laptop next to the AP
> >>>>> (lack of bandwidth).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In reality, separating the streams by using a second AP or spit as
> >>>>> suggested above is going to be the best solution.  Sharing bandwidth can
> >>>>> only go so far :(
> >>>>>
> >>>>> BillK
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 01:40 +0900, Lucas van Staden wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I stream media using MediaTomb to my PS3,  and when any of the other
> >>>>>> machines are very busy on the network, then the PS3 media stream lags,
> >>>>>> and the video stutters badly.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On my home network, I have my webserver, my media server, my office
> >>>>>> machine, two laptops and of course the PS3.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am wondering about possible ways to improve the speed (or more
> >>>>>> accurately, available bandwidth) between the media server and the PS3,
> >>>>>> when I am busy with a stream.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> First thoughts - Hardware upgrades:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am considering updating my 'g' router to an 'n' router, and thus also
> >>>>>> updating my network cards to 'n' compatible ones.
> >>>>>> I know the PS3 can only do 'g/b', but I figure if I upgrade the rest of
> >>>>>> the network, to 'n', then the PS3 stream will have more bandwidth
> >>>>>> available.
> >>>>>> Is my assumption correct here? Chances are that once the other machines
> >>>>>> have more bandwidth available, they will just hog it all again, and I
> >>>>>> will be back to where I started.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Another option would be to go with the 'n' upgrade above, but also get
> >>>>>> an extra router, and connect that direct to the PS3 wired network port,
> >>>>>> and thus get the ps3 to get onto the 'n' network.
> >>>>>> Again, the other machines could just hog more bandwidth, as there are
> >>>>>> more available.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Second Idea:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Throttle the other machines when I stream to the PS3.
> >>>>>> Personally I think the throttling would be the best (and cheapest)
> >>>>>> option, and one that I can actually control.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Any thoughts on this please, on how to improve the PS3/MediaTomb streams?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -Lucas
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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