[plug] Wireless-N router for faster wireless....
Lucas van Staden
lvs at dedmeet.com
Tue Jan 20 17:17:25 WST 2009
William Kenworthy wrote:
> Search terms were ps3 hoc 802 ICS and variants there of.
>
> Check out the official seeming
> "http://au.playstation.com/support/psp/wizards/psp_ng_adhoc_wizard_1.jhtml"
>
The link given describes PSP (not PS3) ad-hoc setup.
> The reason you see failures seems to fall into 2 categories - those who
> dont know what they are doing (windows users in general not running a
> dhcp server or the like) and so fail, and those who dont have the
> correct PS3 - it appears that early firmware versions (seems to be 2.1
> and earlier, but cant confirm) cant do ad hoc. The one I checked up on
> was a xmas present so that part number showed up as ok (dont have it
> here so I cant give a ref for that). If you have an early one, can the
> firmware be upgraded easily?
>
>
I have the new 80gig console, with the latest firmware (.53 I think it
is), and that does not allow ad-hoc.
I agree there are variants in the PS3 versions, but so far I cannot find
ANY person who has setup ad-hoc with any other device other than the
PS3, on any variant of the PS3.
Sony must have done this on purpose, for whatever reason.
http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3&message.id=2776864&query.id=46571#M2776864
> arrrgggg - reading through some of the crap on the games forums is SO
> hard (black on black text is so arrrgggg ...)
>
> BillK
>
>
Using your search terms, I still cannot find any ad-hoc setup
instructions for the PS3.
In fact your terms bring up less info about the PS3 and ad-hoc than mine
did.
Most of the post are related to other stuff, not the PS3.
I am thus still of mind that the PS3 cannot do ad-hoc (other than with
the PSP), as I have not been proven wrong in my own information.
In your post below you state '
I searched differently and found many hits saying how to do this - some
step by step. '
Can you not just send me exact the google search link you used, to get the 'step by step' guide or one of these step by steps?
I will stand corrected, once I see valid information regarding the setup.
It is a moot point really, as the idea of doing the ad-hoc to the media server is no longer one of the options I am going with.
-Lucas
> On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 15:05 +0900, Lucas van Staden wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> William Kenworthy wrote:
>>
>>> I searched differently and found many hits saying how to do this - some
>>> step by step. Avoid ad-hoc in the search terms helps. Originally, I
>>> was looking to see if a dlink usb key and windows box could connect to a
>>> ps3 for internet play and found a guide that was basicly normal ad-hoc
>>> mode without saying so - no tricks at all! What did surprise me (or
>>> maybe it shouldnt) was all the clueless types reccomending 128bit wep
>>> over wpa and other total crap ideas :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Can you gibe me your search terms, or some links to these steps you
>> mention,
>> as I still cannot find anyone who says they could get the ps3 connected
>> to an ad-hoc network (other than with the PSP)
>>
>>
>>
>>> In this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3
>>>
>>> "Sony has also demonstrated the PSP playing back video content from the
>>> PlayStation 3 hard disk across an ad-hoc wireless network. This feature
>>> is referred to as Remote Play located under the browser icon on both the
>>> PlayStation 3 and the PlayStation Portable. Remote play has since
>>> expanded to allow remote access to the PS3 via PSP from any wireless
>>> access point in the world."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Again, ad-hoc connection to the psp, not to any other machine/device.
>>
>> I have had a look at the PS3 wireless connection settings since my last
>> post, and it only brings up AP's to connect to.
>> There is no setting under the wireless settings to go ad-hoc.
>> You either SCAN for AP's or enter the AP name manually, or use AROS (i
>> think it was called)
>>
>> The remote play setting mentioned is for use with PSP, which you must
>> first register under 'remote devices' in the system settings.
>>
>> I have to disagree - PS3 cannot do ad-hoc, unless the other device is a PSP.
>>
>> From other searches, the PS3 cannot even ad-hoc to other PS3's ,which
>> has been complained about to Sony by users (for setup of ad-hoc gaming
>> sessions between two ps3's)
>>
>> -Lucas
>>
>>
>>> BillK
>>>
>>> On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 12:56 +0900, Lucas van Staden wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I am, but I may be wrong (just been scanning some answers, may have
>>>> missed something important.
>>>>
>>>> I googled for 'ps3 ad hoc network', and I get a lot of results with
>>>> people asking how to do it, with the answers - can't
>>>>
>>>> It is mentioned in a few posts that (under windows exmaples) to 'create
>>>> a new network' (internet connection sharing?) on the windows machine,
>>>> and then connect the PS3 to that new created network. But as I can see
>>>> it, that is just the windows machine acting as an AP.
>>>>
>>>> Possible this is different between different models of the PS3?
>>>>
>>>> I figure I can go and have a look at the PS3 connection settings...
>>>>
>>>> Busy browsing to find a router I like.
>>>>
>>>> From your other post, I agree - did not know about
>>>>
>>>> ddwrt
>>>>
>>>> But I have been making sure it is compatible with Openwrt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> William Kenworthy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> are you sure? - looked at this a couple of days ago and it seems like
>>>>> its doable between a ps3 and laptop according to Mr Google. - waiting
>>>>> for the go ahead to actually try it, but I cant see why not from what I
>>>>> read.
>>>>>
>>>>> BillK
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 11:08 +0900, Lucas van Staden wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Seems the PS3 cannot do ad-hoc, except with the PSP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thus the idea went to creating my own AP for it to connect to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> William Kenworthy wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is probably the way to go then - many client AP's wont do AP mode,
>>>>>>> but it should do adhoc mode (basicly a peer to peer mode) - use the host
>>>>>>> to bridge it onto the desired network.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BillK
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 10:59 +0900, Lucas van Staden wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ok, this is just another wild idea.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just throwing ideas out there, checking all possibles, before I go spend
>>>>>>>> money, and find I could have done this without forking out cash.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have some spare pci wireless cards.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can I not add another card to the media server, and setup that card in
>>>>>>>> the media server to act as a access point, on it's own channel.
>>>>>>>> I can then get the PS3 to connect to this access point, rather than the
>>>>>>>> actual router, and thus the PS3 and the mediaserver would have their own
>>>>>>>> seperate
>>>>>>>> channel, thus their own bandwidth between them. In effect same setup as
>>>>>>>> having another AP on the network.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As the media server has access onto the other network, I can then access
>>>>>>>> it from the other machines still.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The next issue (if this is viable) is to get the ps3 to gain access to
>>>>>>>> the internet thereafter, but I would solve that as the next step.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Lucas
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> William Kenworthy wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, you have to separate the bandwidth - if you have two groups of
>>>>>>>>> machines on different channels, you will need to bridge them - I think
>>>>>>>>> upnp needs to be on the same subnet. 2nd cheap access point may be the
>>>>>>>>> way to go?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also, if you can design it to be a totally isolated link, you might be
>>>>>>>>> able to turn off WPA and gain quite a lot of bandwidth. I would think
>>>>>>>>> carefully about security and implications for the link ends first though
>>>>>>>>> - I dont know enough about your endpoint and PS3 to say its safe or not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BillK
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 10:02 +0900, Lucas van Staden wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I see.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The netgear router I have is not that advanced.
>>>>>>>>>> No QoS, and is a b/g router. Time for an upgrade me thinks.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Basically (from the other post received) I gotta try and get the PS3 ->
>>>>>>>>>> MediaServer WAN on it's own channel.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So other machines - channel 1
>>>>>>>>>> PS3/Media Server - channel 6
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When they are on different channels, that then means they can't 'talk'
>>>>>>>>>> to each other? Correct?
>>>>>>>>>> So my machines won't be able to access the media server, until I put
>>>>>>>>>> that back onto channel 1.
>>>>>>>>>> This will be an issue.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -Lucas
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> William Kenworthy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you have a g/a router, can you create a virtual AP on the A band for
>>>>>>>>>>> the streams only? - or buy a second AP that does A?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> VLAN's with QOS may be another possibility depending on the capabilitoes
>>>>>>>>>>> of the hardware.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I can stream mythTV at SD over g while my son is playing games without
>>>>>>>>>>> either being affected. HD only works with the laptop next to the AP
>>>>>>>>>>> (lack of bandwidth).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In reality, separating the streams by using a second AP or spit as
>>>>>>>>>>> suggested above is going to be the best solution. Sharing bandwidth can
>>>>>>>>>>> only go so far :(
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> BillK
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 01:40 +0900, Lucas van Staden wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I stream media using MediaTomb to my PS3, and when any of the other
>>>>>>>>>>>> machines are very busy on the network, then the PS3 media stream lags,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and the video stutters badly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On my home network, I have my webserver, my media server, my office
>>>>>>>>>>>> machine, two laptops and of course the PS3.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am wondering about possible ways to improve the speed (or more
>>>>>>>>>>>> accurately, available bandwidth) between the media server and the PS3,
>>>>>>>>>>>> when I am busy with a stream.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> First thoughts - Hardware upgrades:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am considering updating my 'g' router to an 'n' router, and thus also
>>>>>>>>>>>> updating my network cards to 'n' compatible ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I know the PS3 can only do 'g/b', but I figure if I upgrade the rest of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the network, to 'n', then the PS3 stream will have more bandwidth
>>>>>>>>>>>> available.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Is my assumption correct here? Chances are that once the other machines
>>>>>>>>>>>> have more bandwidth available, they will just hog it all again, and I
>>>>>>>>>>>> will be back to where I started.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Another option would be to go with the 'n' upgrade above, but also get
>>>>>>>>>>>> an extra router, and connect that direct to the PS3 wired network port,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and thus get the ps3 to get onto the 'n' network.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Again, the other machines could just hog more bandwidth, as there are
>>>>>>>>>>>> more available.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Idea:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Throttle the other machines when I stream to the PS3.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Personally I think the throttling would be the best (and cheapest)
>>>>>>>>>>>> option, and one that I can actually control.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Any thoughts on this please, on how to improve the PS3/MediaTomb streams?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Lucas
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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