[plug] Wireless-N router for faster wireless....

William Kenworthy billk at iinet.net.au
Tue Jan 20 16:02:53 WST 2009 

Search terms were ps3 hoc 802 ICS and variants there of.

Check out the official seeming
"http://au.playstation.com/support/psp/wizards/psp_ng_adhoc_wizard_1.jhtml"

The reason you see failures seems to fall into 2 categories - those who
dont know what they are doing (windows users in general not running a
dhcp server or the like) and so fail, and those who dont have the
correct PS3 - it appears that early firmware versions (seems to be 2.1
and earlier, but cant confirm) cant do ad hoc.  The one I checked up on
was a xmas present so that part number showed up as ok (dont have it
here so I cant give a ref for that).  If you have an early one, can the
firmware be upgraded easily?

arrrgggg - reading through some of the crap on the games forums is SO
hard (black on black text is so arrrgggg ...)

BillK


On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 15:05 +0900, Lucas van Staden wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> William Kenworthy wrote:
> > I searched differently and found many hits saying how to do this - some
> > step by step.  Avoid ad-hoc in the search terms helps.  Originally, I
> > was looking to see if a dlink usb key and windows box could connect to a
> > ps3 for internet play and found a guide that was basicly normal ad-hoc
> > mode without saying so - no tricks at all!  What did surprise me (or
> > maybe it shouldnt) was all the clueless types reccomending 128bit wep
> > over wpa and other total crap ideas :)
> >
> >   
> Can you gibe me your search terms, or some links to these steps you 
> mention,
> as I still cannot find anyone who says they could get the ps3 connected 
> to an ad-hoc network (other than with the PSP)
> 
> 
> > In this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3
> >
> > "Sony has also demonstrated the PSP playing back video content from the
> > PlayStation 3 hard disk across an ad-hoc wireless network. This feature
> > is referred to as Remote Play located under the browser icon on both the
> > PlayStation 3 and the PlayStation Portable. Remote play has since
> > expanded to allow remote access to the PS3 via PSP from any wireless
> > access point in the world."
> >
> >   
> Again, ad-hoc connection to the psp, not to any other machine/device.
> 
> I have had a look at the PS3 wireless connection settings since my last 
> post, and it only brings up AP's to connect to.
> There is no setting under the wireless settings to go ad-hoc.
> You either SCAN for AP's or enter the AP name manually, or use AROS (i 
> think it was called)
> 
> The remote play setting mentioned is for use with PSP, which you must 
> first register under 'remote devices' in the system settings.
> 
> I have to disagree - PS3 cannot do ad-hoc, unless the other device is a PSP.
> 
>  From other searches, the PS3 cannot even ad-hoc to other PS3's ,which 
> has been complained about to Sony by users (for setup of ad-hoc gaming 
> sessions between two ps3's)
> 
> -Lucas
> 
> > BillK
> >
> > On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 12:56 +0900, Lucas van Staden wrote:
> >   
> >> I am, but I may be wrong (just been scanning some answers, may have 
> >> missed something important.
> >>
> >> I googled for 'ps3 ad hoc network', and I get a lot of results with 
> >> people asking how to do it, with the answers - can't
> >>
> >> It is mentioned in a few posts that (under windows exmaples) to 'create 
> >> a new network' (internet connection sharing?) on the windows machine, 
> >> and then connect the PS3 to that new created network. But as I can see 
> >> it, that is just the windows machine acting as an AP.
> >>
> >> Possible this is different between different models of the PS3?
> >>
> >> I figure I can go and have a look at the PS3 connection settings...
> >>
> >> Busy browsing to find a router I like.
> >>
> >>  From your other post, I agree - did not know about
> >>
> >> ddwrt
> >>
> >> But I have been making sure it is compatible with Openwrt
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> William Kenworthy wrote:
> >>     
> >>> are you sure? - looked at this a couple of days ago and it seems like
> >>> its doable between a ps3 and laptop according to Mr Google. - waiting
> >>> for the go ahead to actually try it, but I cant see why not from what I
> >>> read.
> >>>
> >>> BillK
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 11:08 +0900, Lucas van Staden wrote:
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>> Seems the PS3 cannot do ad-hoc, except with the PSP.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thus the idea went to creating my own AP for it to connect to.
> >>>>
> >>>> William Kenworthy wrote:
> >>>>     
> >>>>         
> >>>>> This is probably the way to go then - many client AP's wont do AP mode,
> >>>>> but it should do adhoc mode (basicly a peer to peer mode) - use the host
> >>>>> to bridge it onto the desired network.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> BillK
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 10:59 +0900, Lucas van Staden wrote:
> >>>>>   
> >>>>>       
> >>>>>           
> >>>>>> Ok, this is just another wild idea.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Just throwing ideas out there, checking all possibles, before I go spend 
> >>>>>> money, and find I could have done this without forking out cash.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have some spare pci wireless cards.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Can I not add another card to the media server, and setup that card in 
> >>>>>> the media server to act as a access point, on it's own channel.
> >>>>>> I can then get the PS3 to connect to this access point, rather than the 
> >>>>>> actual router, and thus the PS3 and the mediaserver would have their own 
> >>>>>> seperate
> >>>>>> channel, thus their own bandwidth between them. In effect same setup as 
> >>>>>> having another AP on the network.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As the media server has access onto the other network, I can then access 
> >>>>>> it from the other machines still.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The next issue (if this is viable) is to get the ps3 to gain access to 
> >>>>>> the internet thereafter, but I would solve that as the next step.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -Lucas
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> William Kenworthy wrote:
> >>>>>>     
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>             
> >>>>>>> Yes, you have to separate the bandwidth - if you have two groups of
> >>>>>>> machines on different channels, you will need to bridge them - I think
> >>>>>>> upnp needs to be on the same subnet.  2nd cheap access point may be the
> >>>>>>> way to go?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Also, if you can design it to be a totally isolated link, you might be
> >>>>>>> able to turn off WPA and gain quite a lot of bandwidth.  I would think
> >>>>>>> carefully about security and implications for the link ends first though
> >>>>>>> - I dont know enough about your endpoint and PS3 to say its safe or not.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> BillK
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 10:02 +0900, Lucas van Staden wrote:
> >>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>       
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>>               
> >>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I see.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The netgear router I have is not that advanced.
> >>>>>>>> No QoS, and is a b/g router. Time for an upgrade me thinks.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Basically (from the other post received) I gotta try and get the PS3 -> 
> >>>>>>>> MediaServer WAN on it's own channel.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> So other machines - channel 1
> >>>>>>>> PS3/Media Server - channel 6
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> When they are on different channels, that then means they can't 'talk' 
> >>>>>>>> to each other? Correct?
> >>>>>>>> So my machines won't be able to access the media server, until I put 
> >>>>>>>> that back onto channel 1.
> >>>>>>>> This will be an issue.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -Lucas
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> William Kenworthy wrote:
> >>>>>>>>     
> >>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>> If you have a g/a router, can you create a virtual AP on the A band for
> >>>>>>>>> the streams only? - or buy a second AP that does A?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> VLAN's with QOS may be another possibility depending on the capabilitoes
> >>>>>>>>> of the hardware.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I can stream mythTV at SD over g while my son is playing games without
> >>>>>>>>> either being affected.  HD only works with the laptop next to the AP
> >>>>>>>>> (lack of bandwidth).
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> In reality, separating the streams by using a second AP or spit as
> >>>>>>>>> suggested above is going to be the best solution.  Sharing bandwidth can
> >>>>>>>>> only go so far :(
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> BillK
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 01:40 +0900, Lucas van Staden wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>       
> >>>>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>>>>               
> >>>>>>>>>                   
> >>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I stream media using MediaTomb to my PS3,  and when any of the other 
> >>>>>>>>>> machines are very busy on the network, then the PS3 media stream lags, 
> >>>>>>>>>> and the video stutters badly.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On my home network, I have my webserver, my media server, my office 
> >>>>>>>>>> machine, two laptops and of course the PS3.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I am wondering about possible ways to improve the speed (or more 
> >>>>>>>>>> accurately, available bandwidth) between the media server and the PS3, 
> >>>>>>>>>> when I am busy with a stream.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> First thoughts - Hardware upgrades:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I am considering updating my 'g' router to an 'n' router, and thus also 
> >>>>>>>>>> updating my network cards to 'n' compatible ones.
> >>>>>>>>>> I know the PS3 can only do 'g/b', but I figure if I upgrade the rest of 
> >>>>>>>>>> the network, to 'n', then the PS3 stream will have more bandwidth 
> >>>>>>>>>> available.
> >>>>>>>>>> Is my assumption correct here? Chances are that once the other machines 
> >>>>>>>>>> have more bandwidth available, they will just hog it all again, and I 
> >>>>>>>>>> will be back to where I started.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Another option would be to go with the 'n' upgrade above, but also get 
> >>>>>>>>>> an extra router, and connect that direct to the PS3 wired network port, 
> >>>>>>>>>> and thus get the ps3 to get onto the 'n' network.
> >>>>>>>>>> Again, the other machines could just hog more bandwidth, as there are 
> >>>>>>>>>> more available.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Second Idea:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Throttle the other machines when I stream to the PS3.
> >>>>>>>>>> Personally I think the throttling would be the best (and cheapest) 
> >>>>>>>>>> option, and one that I can actually control.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Any thoughts on this please, on how to improve the PS3/MediaTomb streams?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> -Lucas
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
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William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
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