[plug] plug Digest, Vol 109, Issue 17
Paul Dean
paul at thecave.ws
Sun Jun 30 04:59:45 UTC 2013
Hi Craig,
Thanks for the insights.
--
Thanks
Paul Dean.
"Life is not WHAT you make it, it's WHO you have in it..."
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 20:27:16 +0800
Craig Inches <plug at xayto.net> wrote:
>Hi Guys,
>
>I run owncloud version 5 for myself as I am now well and truely tired
>for third parties 'owning' or being able to use by data.
>
>On a pentium 4, 2.8ghz machine with 2 gigs of
>memory it runs fine. I notice some slowness in the page loading at times
>but not enough for me to hunt down a cause.
>
>Its got some rough edges to clean up, but I love the dropbox like
>versioning... which when you combine with storing the data from the site
>on a freenas box with zfs snapshoting means I have little concern over
>losing my files bar some massive failure.
>
>It has IOS and Android clients (I dont have a iPhone so cant comment on
>the client there) but the Android client really needs some work.. lots
>of little things which bug me like upon restarting you need to re-add
>the connection details for your account.
>
>It really depends on what functionality from the services is key to you,
>some owncloud I feel does aswell, owncloud has its own feature set
>beyond other providers, and lacks some others.
>
>Cheers,
>Craig
>
>
>On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 02:22:07PM +0800, Paul Del wrote:
>> Hey Michael, Simon and Tim
>> It's very tempting to install my own [1]owncloud.org server and possibly
>> just spin it up in*something*like Amazon EC2.*
>> This place*[2]https://owncube.com/networkmap-en.php has so many Data
>> centers in EU and World wide.
>> I have used the [3]linonde.org stuff years ago and It was quite good even
>> then.
>> For the moment I'll do some testing with the [4]owncloud.org service
>> providers.
>> There's quite a few cheap and free providers on [5]owncloud.org
>> I should of explained myself better. I'm doing a lot of sync and backup of
>> document size files too offsite for Australian clients and myself.
>> Currently I use services like dropbox, crashplan, google docs and
>> secondary layer like sugar sync & egnyte
>> Services like dropbox and crashplan work so well and is a cheap service
>> for the delta copy it provides.
>> It would be nice to find something that works as well as or better in the
>> open source world.
>> Cheers
>>
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>> * *1. Re: [plug-ctte] [Committee] Installing linux on Win 8 PC
>> * * * (Paul Del)
>> * *2. OwnCloud.org (Paul Del)
>> * *3. Re: [plug-ctte] [Committee] Installing linux on Win 8 PC
>> * * * (Lucas van staden)
>> * *4. Re: OwnCloud.org (Michael Van Delft)
>> * *5. Re: [plug-ctte] [Committee] Installing linux on Win 8 PC
>> * * * (Simon Wise)
>> * *6. Re: OwnCloud.org (Paul Dean)
>> * *7. Re: OwnCloud.org (Tim Basten)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 13:20:11 +0800
>> From: Paul Del <[11]p at delfante.it>
>> To: [12]chieftiff at gmail.com, PLUG Committee <[13]committee at plug.org.au>,
>> * * * * [14]plug at plug.org.au
>> Subject: Re: [plug] [plug-ctte] [Committee] Installing linux on Win 8
>> * * * * PC
>> Message-ID:
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>> Hey Fred
>>
>> Please send your emails to the mailing list. Not committee ;-)
>> [16]http://plug.org.au/resources/mailing-list
>>
>> If your wanting to install Linux on a notebook all good.
>> Make sure you include brand/model/type of your notebook
>>
>> There may be a problem with this new secure boot being locked to Ms
>> Windows
>> [17]http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/M/microsoft_secure_boot.html
>>
>> There is guys in the group who will know more about that
>> Ciao
>>
>> >
>> >
>> Hi Perth Linux Guru's,
>> Apologies if I am using the wrong forum for this but I have only just
>> discovered your site ;)
>> I have recently bought a Win 8 notebook PC and want to install Linux on
>> it
>> so that i can have the choice of using Windows or Linux as the OS. *I
>> understabd that this is not very straight forward as Win has a security
>> set
>> - up which needs to be turned off and my research on the net has not
>> been
>> conclusive. *I have not used linux yet but would like to. Can you pse
>> advise on this subject?
>> Kind Rgds,
>> Fred
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 12:27 PM, <[18]chieftiff at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Fred sent a message using the contact form at
>> > [19]http://www.plug.org.au/contact**.
>> >
>> > Hi Perth Linux Guru's,
>> > Apologies if I am using the wrong forum for this but I have only just
>> > discovered your site ;)
>> > I have recently bought a Win 8 notebook PC and want to install Linux
>> on it
>> > so that i can have the choice of using Windows or Linux as the OS. *I
>> > understabd that this is not very straight forward as Win has a
>> security set
>> > - up which needs to be turned off and my research on the net has not
>> been
>> > conclusive. *I have not used linux yet but would like to. Can you pse
>> > advise on this subject?
>> > Kind Rgds,
>> > Fred
>> > ______________________________**_________________
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>> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 13:39:21 +0800
>> From: Paul Del <[25]p at delfante.it>
>> To: [26]plug at plug.org.au
>> Subject: [plug] OwnCloud.org
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>> Hey
>>
>> Has any one used Owncloud.org?
>> Any thoughts
>> Or other recommendations of similar
>>
>> It's supposed to be more open cloud services
>>
>> Cheers Paul
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>> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:12:47 +0800
>> From: Lucas van staden <[29]lvs at dedmeet.com>
>> To: [30]plug at plug.org.au
>> Subject: Re: [plug] [plug-ctte] [Committee] Installing linux on Win 8
>> * * * * PC
>> Message-ID:
>> * * * *
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>>
>> Hey Fred,
>>
>> You can download one of the popular Linux Distro's, boot of the cd/dvd
>> and
>> just follow the install procedure.
>> Most modern linux install processes will deal with the windows
>> partition,
>> and allow you to dual boot. (and set that up for you)
>>
>> Not had any experience with Win 8 yet (don't think I will), thus I
>> cannot
>> say 100% if dual boot setup works with it out-the-box like that, or if
>> you
>> need to do 'stuff' to make it work.
>>
>> As a first time linux user, I would highly recommend Linux Mint as your
>> first step. From experience I had found that windows users find it easy
>> to
>> adapt to that distro.
>>
>> ref: [32]http://www.linuxmint.com/
>>
>> Welcome to Linux.
>>
>> -Lucas
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Paul Del <[33]p at delfante.it> wrote:
>>
>> > Hey Fred
>> >
>> > Please send your emails to the mailing list. Not committee ;-)
>> > [34]http://plug.org.au/resources/mailing-list
>> >
>> > If your wanting to install Linux on a notebook all good.
>> > Make sure you include brand/model/type of your notebook
>> >
>> > There may be a problem with this new secure boot being locked to Ms
>> Windows
>> > [35]http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/M/microsoft_secure_boot.html
>> >
>> > There is guys in the group who will know more about that
>> > Ciao
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > Hi Perth Linux Guru's,
>> > Apologies if I am using the wrong forum for this but I have only just
>> > discovered your site ;)
>> > I have recently bought a Win 8 notebook PC and want to install Linux
>> on it
>> > so that i can have the choice of using Windows or Linux as the OS. *I
>> > understabd that this is not very straight forward as Win has a
>> security set
>> > - up which needs to be turned off and my research on the net has not
>> been
>> > conclusive. *I have not used linux yet but would like to. Can you pse
>> > advise on this subject?
>> > Kind Rgds,
>> > Fred
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 12:27 PM, <[36]chieftiff at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Fred sent a message using the contact form at
>> >> [37]http://www.plug.org.au/contact**.
>> >>
>> >> Hi Perth Linux Guru's,
>> >> Apologies if I am using the wrong forum for this but I have only just
>> >> discovered your site ;)
>> >> I have recently bought a Win 8 notebook PC and want to install Linux
>> on
>> >> it so that i can have the choice of using Windows or Linux as the OS.
>> *I
>> >> understabd that this is not very straight forward as Win has a
>> security set
>> >> - up which needs to be turned off and my research on the net has not
>> been
>> >> conclusive. *I have not used linux yet but would like to. Can you pse
>> >> advise on this subject?
>> >> Kind Rgds,
>> >> Fred
>> >> ______________________________**_________________
>> >> committee mailing list
>> >> [38]committee at plug.org.au
>> >>
>> [39]http://lists.plug.org.au/**mailman/listinfo/committee<[40]http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/committee>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:21:42 +0800
>> From: Michael Van Delft <[47]michael at hybr.id.au>
>> To: [48]plug at plug.org.au
>> Subject: Re: [plug] OwnCloud.org
>> Message-ID:
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>>
>> Hey Paul,
>>
>> I've setup a cheap VPS from linode running ownCloud and used the
>> desktop client to sync files. I feel like it's 90% there but just
>> needs a bit more polish before it becomes good enough that I'd move
>> all my stuff from Google Drive/Contacts/Calendar/Mail (There is a
>> Roundcube plugin for mail)/Bookmarks. I've found it to be a little
>> slow but that could be because I'm hosting it on the cheapest linode
>> server I could find it's got 512mb RAM and hosted in Singapore. Might
>> be a lot quicker hosted on a beefier machine at home.
>>
>> I've got it running at [50]https://hybr.id.au if you want to try it out
>> I
>> can set up an account for you. (I use a certificate from [51]cacert.org
>> so
>> if you get a certificate warning don't worry.)
>>
>> I'd also be very interested to hear about any open source self hosted
>> cloud solutions especially if anyone knows of a self hosted office
>> suite like Google Docs.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Michael
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Paul Del <[52]p at delfante.it> wrote:
>> > Hey
>> >
>> > Has any one used Owncloud.org?
>> > Any thoughts
>> > Or other recommendations of similar
>> >
>> > It's supposed to be more open cloud services
>> >
>> > Cheers Paul
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > PLUG discussion list: [53]plug at plug.org.au
>> > [54]http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
>> > Committee e-mail: [55]committee at plug.org.au
>> > PLUG Membership: [56]http://www.plug.org.au/membership
>>
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>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 17:54:55 +0800
>> From: Simon Wise <[57]simonzwise at gmail.com>
>> To: [58]plug at plug.org.au
>> Subject: Re: [plug] [plug-ctte] [Committee] Installing linux on Win 8
>> * * * * PC
>> Message-ID: <[59]51CC0BEF.2050107 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> On 27/06/13 14:12, Lucas van staden wrote:
>> > Hey Fred,
>> >
>> > You can download one of the popular Linux Distro's, boot of the cd/dvd
>> and
>> > just follow the install procedure.
>> > Most modern linux install processes will deal with the windows
>> partition,
>> > and allow you to dual boot. (and set that up for you)
>> >
>> > Not had any experience with Win 8 yet (don't think I will), thus I
>> cannot
>> > say 100% if dual boot setup works with it out-the-box like that, or if
>> you
>> > need to do 'stuff' to make it work.
>> >
>> > As a first time linux user, I would highly recommend Linux Mint as
>> your
>> > first step. From experience I had found that windows users find it
>> easy to
>> > adapt to that distro.
>> >
>> > ref: [60]http://www.linuxmint.com/
>> >
>> > Welcome to Linux.
>>
>> Depending on the tablet the secure boot stuff could be either a pain, or
>> will
>> prevent you using Linux (or anything much else) on that device
>> completely. I
>> can't confirm this myself, I have no such device, but when Win 8 was
>> released
>> this was the situation ...
>>
>> If you bought one of the smaller ARM based ones then I believe it is
>> permanently
>> hardware locked to prevent anything except updates approved and signed
>> by
>> Microsoft for your (sic) particular device and the binaries that the
>> (signed by
>> Microsoft and unmodified or else it will not be boot-able) Win 8 OS
>> permits you
>> to run because they are signed by Microsoft and unmodified (i.e. you
>> paid for
>> them via the official app store or whatever it is called in Microsoft
>> land). In
>> which case the "Welcome to Linux" may unfortunately be a little
>> premature, and
>> if you do insist on booting Linux then eBay will be your friend.
>>
>> If you bought an intel based tablet it is apparently possible to turn
>> off the
>> hardware lock, or at least switch the signing authority or something ...
>> an open
>> source organisation has paid (on your behalf, aren't you lucky) the
>> secure boot
>> makers for appropriate codes etc to sign Linux boot systems, and boot
>> disks are
>> I believe able to use this to boot into Linux. One laptop manufacturer
>> and their
>> customers still got badly stung by this, since there was a bug in the
>> secure
>> boot system which completely bricked the laptop if you used this system
>> ... it
>> required a return to the manufacturer before it would do anything at
>> all. The
>> permanent locking to Microsoft exclusively is required by Microsoft
>> before they
>> will certify an ARM device for Windows 8, the removable lock is required
>> for
>> certification for an intel device. Google will be your friend in this
>> case, and
>> the solution less drastic than sell it and buy something better. I
>> haven't
>> tried, I haven't bought (if you can call it that ... not sure who
>> actually
>> 'owns' it given the above) a Microsoft tablet.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 19:10:32 +0800
>> From: Paul Dean <[61]paul at thecave.ws>
>> To: [62]plug at plug.org.au
>> Subject: Re: [plug] OwnCloud.org
>> Message-ID: <[63]20130627191032.1623cf9b at slab3.inthecave.ws>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> What version of ownCloud are you running?
>>
>> I've been watching this over the past few years, and slowly as it
>> matures, v5.0 looked it had reached a reasonable maturity level.
>>
>> Would love to hear more of ppls opinions about it.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Paul Dean.
>>
>> "Life is not WHAT you make it, it's WHO you have in it..."
>>
>> On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:21:42 +0800
>> Michael Van Delft <[64]michael at hybr.id.au> wrote:
>>
>> >Hey Paul,
>> >
>> >I've setup a cheap VPS from linode running ownCloud and used the
>> >desktop client to sync files. I feel like it's 90% there but just
>> >needs a bit more polish before it becomes good enough that I'd move
>> >all my stuff from Google Drive/Contacts/Calendar/Mail (There is a
>> >Roundcube plugin for mail)/Bookmarks. I've found it to be a little
>> >slow but that could be because I'm hosting it on the cheapest linode
>> >server I could find it's got 512mb RAM and hosted in Singapore. Might
>> >be a lot quicker hosted on a beefier machine at home.
>> >
>> >I've got it running at [65]https://hybr.id.au if you want to try it out
>> I
>> >can set up an account for you. (I use a certificate from [66]cacert.org
>> so
>> >if you get a certificate warning don't worry.)
>> >
>> >I'd also be very interested to hear about any open source self hosted
>> >cloud solutions especially if anyone knows of a self hosted office
>> >suite like Google Docs.
>> >
>> >Cheers,
>> >Michael
>> >
>> >On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Paul Del <[67]p at delfante.it> wrote:
>> >> Hey
>> >>
>> >> Has any one used Owncloud.org?
>> >> Any thoughts
>> >> Or other recommendations of similar
>> >>
>> >> It's supposed to be more open cloud services
>> >>
>> >> Cheers Paul
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> PLUG discussion list: [68]plug at plug.org.au
>> >> [69]http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
>> >> Committee e-mail: [70]committee at plug.org.au
>> >> PLUG Membership: [71]http://www.plug.org.au/membership
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >PLUG discussion list: [72]plug at plug.org.au
>> >[73]http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
>> >Committee e-mail: [74]committee at plug.org.au
>> >PLUG Membership: [75]http://www.plug.org.au/membership
>>
>> --
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Paul Dean.
>>
>> "Life is not WHAT you make it, it's WHO you have in it..."
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 19:40:44 +0800
>> From: Tim Basten <[77]tbasten at gmail.com>
>> To: "[78]plug at plug.org.au" <[79]plug at plug.org.au>
>> Subject: Re: [plug] OwnCloud.org
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>>
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>> I jus installed the latest version on the weekend. Without having
>> spent to much time on it, I have picked up a few things which are more
>> of an annoyance then an issue. One of the, being that only allows for
>> vCard formats for importing contacts. Wile there are ways to get most
>> contacts to a vCard, having an option to import from other format
>> types out be better. The other one is the android app is only for file
>> sharing (from what I can tell). If you want to sync your contacts onto
>> your phone, you need to download another app on your android that
>> syncs vCards. Other then those things the layout of the website is
>> really nice, it was really easy to setup and the chrome bookmarks
>> extension work much better then delicious.
>>
>> I haven't been fully converted yet so at this stage I am still using
>> Dropbox and gmail for my contacts.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Tim
>>
>> On 27/06/2013, at 7:11 PM, Paul Dean <[80]paul at thecave.ws> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Michael,
>> >
>> > What version of ownCloud are you running?
>> >
>> > I've been watching this over the past few years, and slowly as it
>> matures, v5.0 looked it had reached a reasonable maturity level.
>> >
>> > Would love to hear more of ppls opinions about it.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Paul Dean.
>> >
>> > "Life is not WHAT you make it, it's WHO you have in it..."
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:21:42 +0800
>> > Michael Van Delft <[81]michael at hybr.id.au> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hey Paul,
>> >>
>> >> I've setup a cheap VPS from linode running ownCloud and used the
>> >> desktop client to sync files. I feel like it's 90% there but just
>> >> needs a bit more polish before it becomes good enough that I'd move
>> >> all my stuff from Google Drive/Contacts/Calendar/Mail (There is a
>> >> Roundcube plugin for mail)/Bookmarks. I've found it to be a little
>> >> slow but that could be because I'm hosting it on the cheapest linode
>> >> server I could find it's got 512mb RAM and hosted in Singapore. Might
>> >> be a lot quicker hosted on a beefier machine at home.
>> >>
>> >> I've got it running at [82]https://hybr.id.au if you want to try it
>> out I
>> >> can set up an account for you. (I use a certificate from
>> [83]cacert.org so
>> >> if you get a certificate warning don't worry.)
>> >>
>> >> I'd also be very interested to hear about any open source self hosted
>> >> cloud solutions especially if anyone knows of a self hosted office
>> >> suite like Google Docs.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Michael
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Paul Del <[84]p at delfante.it> wrote:
>> >>> Hey
>> >>>
>> >>> Has any one used Owncloud.org?
>> >>> Any thoughts
>> >>> Or other recommendations of similar
>> >>>
>> >>> It's supposed to be more open cloud services
>> >>>
>> >>> Cheers Paul
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> PLUG discussion list: [85]plug at plug.org.au
>> >>> [86]http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
>> >>> Committee e-mail: [87]committee at plug.org.au
>> >>> PLUG Membership: [88]http://www.plug.org.au/membership
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> PLUG discussion list: [89]plug at plug.org.au
>> >> [90]http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
>> >> Committee e-mail: [91]committee at plug.org.au
>> >> PLUG Membership: [92]http://www.plug.org.au/membership
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Paul Dean.
>> >
>> > "Life is not WHAT you make it, it's WHO you have in it..."
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > PLUG discussion list: [93]plug at plug.org.au
>> > [94]http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
>> > Committee e-mail: [95]committee at plug.org.au
>> > PLUG Membership: [96]http://www.plug.org.au/membership
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>> Simplifying Information Technology Systems.
>>
>> Creating reliable Information Systems.
>> Using cutting edge Information Technology.
>>
>> Computer Help Desk IT Support Phone: (08)636-55618
>> Websites CMS Cloud Inquiries Phone: (08)636-55619
>>
>> Help Desk or IT request
>> [100]http://bit.ly/deltekhelpdesk
>>
>> References
>>
>> Visible links
>> 1. http://owncloud.org/
>> 2. https://owncube.com/networkmap-en.php
>> 3. http://linonde.org/
>> 4. http://owncloud.org/
>> 5. http://owncloud.org/
>> 6. mailto:plug-request at plug.org.au
>> 7. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
>> 8. http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
>> 9. mailto:plug-request at plug.org.au
>> 10. mailto:plug-owner at plug.org.au
>> 11. mailto:p at delfante.it
>> 12. mailto:chieftiff at gmail.com
>> 13. mailto:committee at plug.org.au
>> 14. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
>> 15. mailto:joZhG4Q at mail.gmail.com
>> 16. http://plug.org.au/resources/mailing-list
>> 17. http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/M/microsoft_secure_boot.html
>> 18. mailto:chieftiff at gmail.com
>> 19. http://www.plug.org.au/contact**
>> 20. mailto:committee at plug.org.au
>> 21. http://lists.plug.org.au/**mailman/listinfo/committee
>> 22. http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/committee
>> 23. http://bit.ly/deltekhelpdesk
>> 24. http://lists.plug.org.au/pipermail/plug/attachments/20130627/ee219b1a/attachment-0001.html
>> 25. mailto:p at delfante.it
>> 26. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
>> 27. mailto:H2JFxbn7vg at mail.gmail.com
>> 28. http://lists.plug.org.au/pipermail/plug/attachments/20130627/3f52feec/attachment-0001.html
>> 29. mailto:lvs at dedmeet.com
>> 30. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
>> 31. mailto:CAO0xyVOWORi0YHWn-ezJcQrWhDPgJHR-hzUXUiushYAE9cN63Q at mail.gmail.com
>> 32. http://www.linuxmint.com/
>> 33. mailto:p at delfante.it
>> 34. http://plug.org.au/resources/mailing-list
>> 35. http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/M/microsoft_secure_boot.html
>> 36. mailto:chieftiff at gmail.com
>> 37. http://www.plug.org.au/contact**
>> 38. mailto:committee at plug.org.au
>> 39. http://lists.plug.org.au/**mailman/listinfo/committee
>> 40. http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/committee
>> 41. http://bit.ly/deltekhelpdesk
>> 42. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
>> 43. http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
>> 44. mailto:committee at plug.org.au
>> 45. http://www.plug.org.au/membership
>> 46. http://lists.plug.org.au/pipermail/plug/attachments/20130627/7d4f47c4/attachment-0001.html
>> 47. mailto:michael at hybr.id.au
>> 48. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
>> 49. mailto:HBcFT0hRqu2qtrtDAs6WpsDg at mail.gmail.com
>> 50. https://hybr.id.au/
>> 51. http://cacert.org/
>> 52. mailto:p at delfante.it
>> 53. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
>> 54. http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
>> 55. mailto:committee at plug.org.au
>> 56. http://www.plug.org.au/membership
>> 57. mailto:simonzwise at gmail.com
>> 58. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
>> 59. mailto:51CC0BEF.2050107 at gmail.com
>> 60. http://www.linuxmint.com/
>> 61. mailto:paul at thecave.ws
>> 62. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
>> 63. mailto:20130627191032.1623cf9b at slab3.inthecave.ws
>> 64. mailto:michael at hybr.id.au
>> 65. https://hybr.id.au/
>> 66. http://cacert.org/
>> 67. mailto:p at delfante.it
>> 68. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
>> 69. http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
>> 70. mailto:committee at plug.org.au
>> 71. http://www.plug.org.au/membership
>> 72. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
>> 73. http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
>> 74. mailto:committee at plug.org.au
>> 75. http://www.plug.org.au/membership
>> 76. http://lists.plug.org.au/pipermail/plug/attachments/20130627/c7517dc8/attachment-0001.sig
>> 77. mailto:tbasten at gmail.com
>> 78. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
>> 79. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
>> 80. mailto:paul at thecave.ws
>> 81. mailto:michael at hybr.id.au
>> 82. https://hybr.id.au/
>> 83. http://cacert.org/
>> 84. mailto:p at delfante.it
>> 85. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
>> 86. http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
>> 87. mailto:committee at plug.org.au
>> 88. http://www.plug.org.au/membership
>> 89. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
>> 90. http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
>> 91. mailto:committee at plug.org.au
>> 92. http://www.plug.org.au/membership
>> 93. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
>> 94. http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
>> 95. mailto:committee at plug.org.au
>> 96. http://www.plug.org.au/membership
>> 97. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
>> 98. http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
>> 99. mailto:committee at plug.linux.org.au
>> 100. http://bit.ly/deltekhelpdesk
>
>> _______________________________________________
>> PLUG discussion list: plug at plug.org.au
>> http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
>> Committee e-mail: committee at plug.org.au
>> PLUG Membership: http://www.plug.org.au/membership
>
>_______________________________________________
>PLUG discussion list: plug at plug.org.au
>http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
>Committee e-mail: committee at plug.org.au
>PLUG Membership: http://www.plug.org.au/membership
--
Thanks
Paul Dean.
"Life is not WHAT you make it, it's WHO you have in it..."
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