[plug] plug Digest, Vol 109, Issue 17
Craig Inches
plug at xayto.net
Sat Jun 29 12:27:16 UTC 2013
Hi Guys,
I run owncloud version 5 for myself as I am now well and truely tired
for third parties 'owning' or being able to use by data.
On a pentium 4, 2.8ghz machine with 2 gigs of
memory it runs fine. I notice some slowness in the page loading at times
but not enough for me to hunt down a cause.
Its got some rough edges to clean up, but I love the dropbox like
versioning... which when you combine with storing the data from the site
on a freenas box with zfs snapshoting means I have little concern over
losing my files bar some massive failure.
It has IOS and Android clients (I dont have a iPhone so cant comment on
the client there) but the Android client really needs some work.. lots
of little things which bug me like upon restarting you need to re-add
the connection details for your account.
It really depends on what functionality from the services is key to you,
some owncloud I feel does aswell, owncloud has its own feature set
beyond other providers, and lacks some others.
Cheers,
Craig
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 02:22:07PM +0800, Paul Del wrote:
> Hey Michael, Simon and Tim
> It's very tempting to install my own [1]owncloud.org server and possibly
> just spin it up in*something*like Amazon EC2.*
> This place*[2]https://owncube.com/networkmap-en.php has so many Data
> centers in EU and World wide.
> I have used the [3]linonde.org stuff years ago and It was quite good even
> then.
> For the moment I'll do some testing with the [4]owncloud.org service
> providers.
> There's quite a few cheap and free providers on [5]owncloud.org
> I should of explained myself better. I'm doing a lot of sync and backup of
> document size files too offsite for Australian clients and myself.
> Currently I use services like dropbox, crashplan, google docs and
> secondary layer like sugar sync & egnyte
> Services like dropbox and crashplan work so well and is a cheap service
> for the delta copy it provides.
> It would be nice to find something that works as well as or better in the
> open source world.
> Cheers
>
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> * *1. Re: [plug-ctte] [Committee] Installing linux on Win 8 PC
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> * *2. OwnCloud.org (Paul Del)
> * *3. Re: [plug-ctte] [Committee] Installing linux on Win 8 PC
> * * * (Lucas van staden)
> * *4. Re: OwnCloud.org (Michael Van Delft)
> * *5. Re: [plug-ctte] [Committee] Installing linux on Win 8 PC
> * * * (Simon Wise)
> * *6. Re: OwnCloud.org (Paul Dean)
> * *7. Re: OwnCloud.org (Tim Basten)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 13:20:11 +0800
> From: Paul Del <[11]p at delfante.it>
> To: [12]chieftiff at gmail.com, PLUG Committee <[13]committee at plug.org.au>,
> * * * * [14]plug at plug.org.au
> Subject: Re: [plug] [plug-ctte] [Committee] Installing linux on Win 8
> * * * * PC
> Message-ID:
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> Hey Fred
>
> Please send your emails to the mailing list. Not committee ;-)
> [16]http://plug.org.au/resources/mailing-list
>
> If your wanting to install Linux on a notebook all good.
> Make sure you include brand/model/type of your notebook
>
> There may be a problem with this new secure boot being locked to Ms
> Windows
> [17]http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/M/microsoft_secure_boot.html
>
> There is guys in the group who will know more about that
> Ciao
>
> >
> >
> Hi Perth Linux Guru's,
> Apologies if I am using the wrong forum for this but I have only just
> discovered your site ;)
> I have recently bought a Win 8 notebook PC and want to install Linux on
> it
> so that i can have the choice of using Windows or Linux as the OS. *I
> understabd that this is not very straight forward as Win has a security
> set
> - up which needs to be turned off and my research on the net has not
> been
> conclusive. *I have not used linux yet but would like to. Can you pse
> advise on this subject?
> Kind Rgds,
> Fred
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 12:27 PM, <[18]chieftiff at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Fred sent a message using the contact form at
> > [19]http://www.plug.org.au/contact**.
> >
> > Hi Perth Linux Guru's,
> > Apologies if I am using the wrong forum for this but I have only just
> > discovered your site ;)
> > I have recently bought a Win 8 notebook PC and want to install Linux
> on it
> > so that i can have the choice of using Windows or Linux as the OS. *I
> > understabd that this is not very straight forward as Win has a
> security set
> > - up which needs to be turned off and my research on the net has not
> been
> > conclusive. *I have not used linux yet but would like to. Can you pse
> > advise on this subject?
> > Kind Rgds,
> > Fred
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> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 13:39:21 +0800
> From: Paul Del <[25]p at delfante.it>
> To: [26]plug at plug.org.au
> Subject: [plug] OwnCloud.org
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> Hey
>
> Has any one used Owncloud.org?
> Any thoughts
> Or other recommendations of similar
>
> It's supposed to be more open cloud services
>
> Cheers Paul
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> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:12:47 +0800
> From: Lucas van staden <[29]lvs at dedmeet.com>
> To: [30]plug at plug.org.au
> Subject: Re: [plug] [plug-ctte] [Committee] Installing linux on Win 8
> * * * * PC
> Message-ID:
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> Hey Fred,
>
> You can download one of the popular Linux Distro's, boot of the cd/dvd
> and
> just follow the install procedure.
> Most modern linux install processes will deal with the windows
> partition,
> and allow you to dual boot. (and set that up for you)
>
> Not had any experience with Win 8 yet (don't think I will), thus I
> cannot
> say 100% if dual boot setup works with it out-the-box like that, or if
> you
> need to do 'stuff' to make it work.
>
> As a first time linux user, I would highly recommend Linux Mint as your
> first step. From experience I had found that windows users find it easy
> to
> adapt to that distro.
>
> ref: [32]http://www.linuxmint.com/
>
> Welcome to Linux.
>
> -Lucas
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Paul Del <[33]p at delfante.it> wrote:
>
> > Hey Fred
> >
> > Please send your emails to the mailing list. Not committee ;-)
> > [34]http://plug.org.au/resources/mailing-list
> >
> > If your wanting to install Linux on a notebook all good.
> > Make sure you include brand/model/type of your notebook
> >
> > There may be a problem with this new secure boot being locked to Ms
> Windows
> > [35]http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/M/microsoft_secure_boot.html
> >
> > There is guys in the group who will know more about that
> > Ciao
> >
> > >
> > >
> > Hi Perth Linux Guru's,
> > Apologies if I am using the wrong forum for this but I have only just
> > discovered your site ;)
> > I have recently bought a Win 8 notebook PC and want to install Linux
> on it
> > so that i can have the choice of using Windows or Linux as the OS. *I
> > understabd that this is not very straight forward as Win has a
> security set
> > - up which needs to be turned off and my research on the net has not
> been
> > conclusive. *I have not used linux yet but would like to. Can you pse
> > advise on this subject?
> > Kind Rgds,
> > Fred
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 12:27 PM, <[36]chieftiff at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Fred sent a message using the contact form at
> >> [37]http://www.plug.org.au/contact**.
> >>
> >> Hi Perth Linux Guru's,
> >> Apologies if I am using the wrong forum for this but I have only just
> >> discovered your site ;)
> >> I have recently bought a Win 8 notebook PC and want to install Linux
> on
> >> it so that i can have the choice of using Windows or Linux as the OS.
> *I
> >> understabd that this is not very straight forward as Win has a
> security set
> >> - up which needs to be turned off and my research on the net has not
> been
> >> conclusive. *I have not used linux yet but would like to. Can you pse
> >> advise on this subject?
> >> Kind Rgds,
> >> Fred
> >> ______________________________**_________________
> >> committee mailing list
> >> [38]committee at plug.org.au
> >>
> [39]http://lists.plug.org.au/**mailman/listinfo/committee<[40]http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/committee>
> >>
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> >
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> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:21:42 +0800
> From: Michael Van Delft <[47]michael at hybr.id.au>
> To: [48]plug at plug.org.au
> Subject: Re: [plug] OwnCloud.org
> Message-ID:
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>
> Hey Paul,
>
> I've setup a cheap VPS from linode running ownCloud and used the
> desktop client to sync files. I feel like it's 90% there but just
> needs a bit more polish before it becomes good enough that I'd move
> all my stuff from Google Drive/Contacts/Calendar/Mail (There is a
> Roundcube plugin for mail)/Bookmarks. I've found it to be a little
> slow but that could be because I'm hosting it on the cheapest linode
> server I could find it's got 512mb RAM and hosted in Singapore. Might
> be a lot quicker hosted on a beefier machine at home.
>
> I've got it running at [50]https://hybr.id.au if you want to try it out
> I
> can set up an account for you. (I use a certificate from [51]cacert.org
> so
> if you get a certificate warning don't worry.)
>
> I'd also be very interested to hear about any open source self hosted
> cloud solutions especially if anyone knows of a self hosted office
> suite like Google Docs.
>
> Cheers,
> Michael
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Paul Del <[52]p at delfante.it> wrote:
> > Hey
> >
> > Has any one used Owncloud.org?
> > Any thoughts
> > Or other recommendations of similar
> >
> > It's supposed to be more open cloud services
> >
> > Cheers Paul
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > PLUG discussion list: [53]plug at plug.org.au
> > [54]http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
> > Committee e-mail: [55]committee at plug.org.au
> > PLUG Membership: [56]http://www.plug.org.au/membership
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 17:54:55 +0800
> From: Simon Wise <[57]simonzwise at gmail.com>
> To: [58]plug at plug.org.au
> Subject: Re: [plug] [plug-ctte] [Committee] Installing linux on Win 8
> * * * * PC
> Message-ID: <[59]51CC0BEF.2050107 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> On 27/06/13 14:12, Lucas van staden wrote:
> > Hey Fred,
> >
> > You can download one of the popular Linux Distro's, boot of the cd/dvd
> and
> > just follow the install procedure.
> > Most modern linux install processes will deal with the windows
> partition,
> > and allow you to dual boot. (and set that up for you)
> >
> > Not had any experience with Win 8 yet (don't think I will), thus I
> cannot
> > say 100% if dual boot setup works with it out-the-box like that, or if
> you
> > need to do 'stuff' to make it work.
> >
> > As a first time linux user, I would highly recommend Linux Mint as
> your
> > first step. From experience I had found that windows users find it
> easy to
> > adapt to that distro.
> >
> > ref: [60]http://www.linuxmint.com/
> >
> > Welcome to Linux.
>
> Depending on the tablet the secure boot stuff could be either a pain, or
> will
> prevent you using Linux (or anything much else) on that device
> completely. I
> can't confirm this myself, I have no such device, but when Win 8 was
> released
> this was the situation ...
>
> If you bought one of the smaller ARM based ones then I believe it is
> permanently
> hardware locked to prevent anything except updates approved and signed
> by
> Microsoft for your (sic) particular device and the binaries that the
> (signed by
> Microsoft and unmodified or else it will not be boot-able) Win 8 OS
> permits you
> to run because they are signed by Microsoft and unmodified (i.e. you
> paid for
> them via the official app store or whatever it is called in Microsoft
> land). In
> which case the "Welcome to Linux" may unfortunately be a little
> premature, and
> if you do insist on booting Linux then eBay will be your friend.
>
> If you bought an intel based tablet it is apparently possible to turn
> off the
> hardware lock, or at least switch the signing authority or something ...
> an open
> source organisation has paid (on your behalf, aren't you lucky) the
> secure boot
> makers for appropriate codes etc to sign Linux boot systems, and boot
> disks are
> I believe able to use this to boot into Linux. One laptop manufacturer
> and their
> customers still got badly stung by this, since there was a bug in the
> secure
> boot system which completely bricked the laptop if you used this system
> ... it
> required a return to the manufacturer before it would do anything at
> all. The
> permanent locking to Microsoft exclusively is required by Microsoft
> before they
> will certify an ARM device for Windows 8, the removable lock is required
> for
> certification for an intel device. Google will be your friend in this
> case, and
> the solution less drastic than sell it and buy something better. I
> haven't
> tried, I haven't bought (if you can call it that ... not sure who
> actually
> 'owns' it given the above) a Microsoft tablet.
>
> Simon
>
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>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 19:10:32 +0800
> From: Paul Dean <[61]paul at thecave.ws>
> To: [62]plug at plug.org.au
> Subject: Re: [plug] OwnCloud.org
> Message-ID: <[63]20130627191032.1623cf9b at slab3.inthecave.ws>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi Michael,
>
> What version of ownCloud are you running?
>
> I've been watching this over the past few years, and slowly as it
> matures, v5.0 looked it had reached a reasonable maturity level.
>
> Would love to hear more of ppls opinions about it.
>
> --
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul Dean.
>
> "Life is not WHAT you make it, it's WHO you have in it..."
>
> On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:21:42 +0800
> Michael Van Delft <[64]michael at hybr.id.au> wrote:
>
> >Hey Paul,
> >
> >I've setup a cheap VPS from linode running ownCloud and used the
> >desktop client to sync files. I feel like it's 90% there but just
> >needs a bit more polish before it becomes good enough that I'd move
> >all my stuff from Google Drive/Contacts/Calendar/Mail (There is a
> >Roundcube plugin for mail)/Bookmarks. I've found it to be a little
> >slow but that could be because I'm hosting it on the cheapest linode
> >server I could find it's got 512mb RAM and hosted in Singapore. Might
> >be a lot quicker hosted on a beefier machine at home.
> >
> >I've got it running at [65]https://hybr.id.au if you want to try it out
> I
> >can set up an account for you. (I use a certificate from [66]cacert.org
> so
> >if you get a certificate warning don't worry.)
> >
> >I'd also be very interested to hear about any open source self hosted
> >cloud solutions especially if anyone knows of a self hosted office
> >suite like Google Docs.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Michael
> >
> >On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Paul Del <[67]p at delfante.it> wrote:
> >> Hey
> >>
> >> Has any one used Owncloud.org?
> >> Any thoughts
> >> Or other recommendations of similar
> >>
> >> It's supposed to be more open cloud services
> >>
> >> Cheers Paul
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> PLUG discussion list: [68]plug at plug.org.au
> >> [69]http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
> >> Committee e-mail: [70]committee at plug.org.au
> >> PLUG Membership: [71]http://www.plug.org.au/membership
> >_______________________________________________
> >PLUG discussion list: [72]plug at plug.org.au
> >[73]http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
> >Committee e-mail: [74]committee at plug.org.au
> >PLUG Membership: [75]http://www.plug.org.au/membership
>
> --
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul Dean.
>
> "Life is not WHAT you make it, it's WHO you have in it..."
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 19:40:44 +0800
> From: Tim Basten <[77]tbasten at gmail.com>
> To: "[78]plug at plug.org.au" <[79]plug at plug.org.au>
> Subject: Re: [plug] OwnCloud.org
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>
> Hi Paul,
>
> I jus installed the latest version on the weekend. Without having
> spent to much time on it, I have picked up a few things which are more
> of an annoyance then an issue. One of the, being that only allows for
> vCard formats for importing contacts. Wile there are ways to get most
> contacts to a vCard, having an option to import from other format
> types out be better. The other one is the android app is only for file
> sharing (from what I can tell). If you want to sync your contacts onto
> your phone, you need to download another app on your android that
> syncs vCards. Other then those things the layout of the website is
> really nice, it was really easy to setup and the chrome bookmarks
> extension work much better then delicious.
>
> I haven't been fully converted yet so at this stage I am still using
> Dropbox and gmail for my contacts.
>
> Thanks
> Tim
>
> On 27/06/2013, at 7:11 PM, Paul Dean <[80]paul at thecave.ws> wrote:
>
> > Hi Michael,
> >
> > What version of ownCloud are you running?
> >
> > I've been watching this over the past few years, and slowly as it
> matures, v5.0 looked it had reached a reasonable maturity level.
> >
> > Would love to hear more of ppls opinions about it.
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Paul Dean.
> >
> > "Life is not WHAT you make it, it's WHO you have in it..."
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:21:42 +0800
> > Michael Van Delft <[81]michael at hybr.id.au> wrote:
> >
> >> Hey Paul,
> >>
> >> I've setup a cheap VPS from linode running ownCloud and used the
> >> desktop client to sync files. I feel like it's 90% there but just
> >> needs a bit more polish before it becomes good enough that I'd move
> >> all my stuff from Google Drive/Contacts/Calendar/Mail (There is a
> >> Roundcube plugin for mail)/Bookmarks. I've found it to be a little
> >> slow but that could be because I'm hosting it on the cheapest linode
> >> server I could find it's got 512mb RAM and hosted in Singapore. Might
> >> be a lot quicker hosted on a beefier machine at home.
> >>
> >> I've got it running at [82]https://hybr.id.au if you want to try it
> out I
> >> can set up an account for you. (I use a certificate from
> [83]cacert.org so
> >> if you get a certificate warning don't worry.)
> >>
> >> I'd also be very interested to hear about any open source self hosted
> >> cloud solutions especially if anyone knows of a self hosted office
> >> suite like Google Docs.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Michael
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Paul Del <[84]p at delfante.it> wrote:
> >>> Hey
> >>>
> >>> Has any one used Owncloud.org?
> >>> Any thoughts
> >>> Or other recommendations of similar
> >>>
> >>> It's supposed to be more open cloud services
> >>>
> >>> Cheers Paul
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> PLUG discussion list: [85]plug at plug.org.au
> >>> [86]http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
> >>> Committee e-mail: [87]committee at plug.org.au
> >>> PLUG Membership: [88]http://www.plug.org.au/membership
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> PLUG discussion list: [89]plug at plug.org.au
> >> [90]http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
> >> Committee e-mail: [91]committee at plug.org.au
> >> PLUG Membership: [92]http://www.plug.org.au/membership
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Paul Dean.
> >
> > "Life is not WHAT you make it, it's WHO you have in it..."
> > _______________________________________________
> > PLUG discussion list: [93]plug at plug.org.au
> > [94]http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
> > Committee e-mail: [95]committee at plug.org.au
> > PLUG Membership: [96]http://www.plug.org.au/membership
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> 1. http://owncloud.org/
> 2. https://owncube.com/networkmap-en.php
> 3. http://linonde.org/
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> 5. http://owncloud.org/
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> 7. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
> 8. http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
> 9. mailto:plug-request at plug.org.au
> 10. mailto:plug-owner at plug.org.au
> 11. mailto:p at delfante.it
> 12. mailto:chieftiff at gmail.com
> 13. mailto:committee at plug.org.au
> 14. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
> 15. mailto:joZhG4Q at mail.gmail.com
> 16. http://plug.org.au/resources/mailing-list
> 17. http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/M/microsoft_secure_boot.html
> 18. mailto:chieftiff at gmail.com
> 19. http://www.plug.org.au/contact**
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> 21. http://lists.plug.org.au/**mailman/listinfo/committee
> 22. http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/committee
> 23. http://bit.ly/deltekhelpdesk
> 24. http://lists.plug.org.au/pipermail/plug/attachments/20130627/ee219b1a/attachment-0001.html
> 25. mailto:p at delfante.it
> 26. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
> 27. mailto:H2JFxbn7vg at mail.gmail.com
> 28. http://lists.plug.org.au/pipermail/plug/attachments/20130627/3f52feec/attachment-0001.html
> 29. mailto:lvs at dedmeet.com
> 30. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
> 31. mailto:CAO0xyVOWORi0YHWn-ezJcQrWhDPgJHR-hzUXUiushYAE9cN63Q at mail.gmail.com
> 32. http://www.linuxmint.com/
> 33. mailto:p at delfante.it
> 34. http://plug.org.au/resources/mailing-list
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> 36. mailto:chieftiff at gmail.com
> 37. http://www.plug.org.au/contact**
> 38. mailto:committee at plug.org.au
> 39. http://lists.plug.org.au/**mailman/listinfo/committee
> 40. http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/committee
> 41. http://bit.ly/deltekhelpdesk
> 42. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
> 43. http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
> 44. mailto:committee at plug.org.au
> 45. http://www.plug.org.au/membership
> 46. http://lists.plug.org.au/pipermail/plug/attachments/20130627/7d4f47c4/attachment-0001.html
> 47. mailto:michael at hybr.id.au
> 48. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
> 49. mailto:HBcFT0hRqu2qtrtDAs6WpsDg at mail.gmail.com
> 50. https://hybr.id.au/
> 51. http://cacert.org/
> 52. mailto:p at delfante.it
> 53. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
> 54. http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
> 55. mailto:committee at plug.org.au
> 56. http://www.plug.org.au/membership
> 57. mailto:simonzwise at gmail.com
> 58. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
> 59. mailto:51CC0BEF.2050107 at gmail.com
> 60. http://www.linuxmint.com/
> 61. mailto:paul at thecave.ws
> 62. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
> 63. mailto:20130627191032.1623cf9b at slab3.inthecave.ws
> 64. mailto:michael at hybr.id.au
> 65. https://hybr.id.au/
> 66. http://cacert.org/
> 67. mailto:p at delfante.it
> 68. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
> 69. http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
> 70. mailto:committee at plug.org.au
> 71. http://www.plug.org.au/membership
> 72. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
> 73. http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
> 74. mailto:committee at plug.org.au
> 75. http://www.plug.org.au/membership
> 76. http://lists.plug.org.au/pipermail/plug/attachments/20130627/c7517dc8/attachment-0001.sig
> 77. mailto:tbasten at gmail.com
> 78. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
> 79. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
> 80. mailto:paul at thecave.ws
> 81. mailto:michael at hybr.id.au
> 82. https://hybr.id.au/
> 83. http://cacert.org/
> 84. mailto:p at delfante.it
> 85. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
> 86. http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
> 87. mailto:committee at plug.org.au
> 88. http://www.plug.org.au/membership
> 89. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
> 90. http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
> 91. mailto:committee at plug.org.au
> 92. http://www.plug.org.au/membership
> 93. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
> 94. http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
> 95. mailto:committee at plug.org.au
> 96. http://www.plug.org.au/membership
> 97. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
> 98. http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
> 99. mailto:committee at plug.linux.org.au
> 100. http://bit.ly/deltekhelpdesk
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