[plug] plug Digest, Vol 109, Issue 17

Craig Inches plug at xayto.net
Sat Jun 29 12:27:16 UTC 2013


Hi Guys,

I run owncloud version 5 for myself as I am now well and truely tired
for third parties 'owning' or being able to use by data. 

On a pentium 4, 2.8ghz machine with 2 gigs of
memory it runs fine. I notice some slowness in the page loading at times
but not enough for me to hunt down a cause.

Its got some rough edges to clean up, but I love the dropbox like
versioning... which when you combine with storing the data from the site
on a freenas box with zfs snapshoting means I have little concern over
losing my files bar some massive failure.

It has IOS and Android clients (I dont have a iPhone so cant comment on
the client there) but the Android client really needs some work.. lots
of little things which bug me like upon restarting you need to re-add
the connection details for your account.

It really depends on what functionality from the services is key to you,
some owncloud I feel does aswell, owncloud has its own feature set
beyond other providers, and lacks some others.

Cheers,
Craig


On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 02:22:07PM +0800, Paul Del wrote:
>    Hey Michael, Simon and Tim
>    It's very tempting to install my own [1]owncloud.org server and possibly
>    just spin it up in*something*like Amazon EC2.*
>    This place*[2]https://owncube.com/networkmap-en.php has so many Data
>    centers in EU and World wide.
>    I have used the [3]linonde.org stuff years ago and It was quite good even
>    then.
>    For the moment I'll do some testing with the [4]owncloud.org service
>    providers.
>    There's quite a few cheap and free providers on [5]owncloud.org
>    I should of explained myself better. I'm doing a lot of sync and backup of
>    document size files too offsite for Australian clients and myself.
>    Currently I use services like dropbox, crashplan, google docs and
>    secondary layer like sugar sync & egnyte
>    Services like dropbox and crashplan work so well and is a cheap service
>    for the delta copy it provides.
>    It would be nice to find something that works as well as or better in the
>    open source world.
>    Cheers
> 
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>      * *1. Re: [plug-ctte] [Committee] Installing linux on Win 8 PC
>      * * * (Paul Del)
>      * *2. OwnCloud.org (Paul Del)
>      * *3. Re: [plug-ctte] [Committee] Installing linux on Win 8 PC
>      * * * (Lucas van staden)
>      * *4. Re: OwnCloud.org (Michael Van Delft)
>      * *5. Re: [plug-ctte] [Committee] Installing linux on Win 8 PC
>      * * * (Simon Wise)
>      * *6. Re: OwnCloud.org (Paul Dean)
>      * *7. Re: OwnCloud.org (Tim Basten)
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>      Message: 1
>      Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 13:20:11 +0800
>      From: Paul Del <[11]p at delfante.it>
>      To: [12]chieftiff at gmail.com, PLUG Committee <[13]committee at plug.org.au>,
>      * * * * [14]plug at plug.org.au
>      Subject: Re: [plug] [plug-ctte] [Committee] Installing linux on Win 8
>      * * * * PC
>      Message-ID:
>      * * * *
>      <CANM56udHp3p0aN7-fgXrjXqhtBwCZP1JwUj7Vxycq_=[15]joZhG4Q at mail.gmail.com>
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> 
>      Hey Fred
> 
>      Please send your emails to the mailing list. Not committee ;-)
>      [16]http://plug.org.au/resources/mailing-list
> 
>      If your wanting to install Linux on a notebook all good.
>      Make sure you include brand/model/type of your notebook
> 
>      There may be a problem with this new secure boot being locked to Ms
>      Windows
>      [17]http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/M/microsoft_secure_boot.html
> 
>      There is guys in the group who will know more about that
>      Ciao
> 
>      >
>      >
>      Hi Perth Linux Guru's,
>      Apologies if I am using the wrong forum for this but I have only just
>      discovered your site ;)
>      I have recently bought a Win 8 notebook PC and want to install Linux on
>      it
>      so that i can have the choice of using Windows or Linux as the OS. *I
>      understabd that this is not very straight forward as Win has a security
>      set
>      - up which needs to be turned off and my research on the net has not
>      been
>      conclusive. *I have not used linux yet but would like to. Can you pse
>      advise on this subject?
>      Kind Rgds,
>      Fred
> 
>      On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 12:27 PM, <[18]chieftiff at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>      > Fred sent a message using the contact form at
>      > [19]http://www.plug.org.au/contact**.
>      >
>      > Hi Perth Linux Guru's,
>      > Apologies if I am using the wrong forum for this but I have only just
>      > discovered your site ;)
>      > I have recently bought a Win 8 notebook PC and want to install Linux
>      on it
>      > so that i can have the choice of using Windows or Linux as the OS. *I
>      > understabd that this is not very straight forward as Win has a
>      security set
>      > - up which needs to be turned off and my research on the net has not
>      been
>      > conclusive. *I have not used linux yet but would like to. Can you pse
>      > advise on this subject?
>      > Kind Rgds,
>      > Fred
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>      Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 13:39:21 +0800
>      From: Paul Del <[25]p at delfante.it>
>      To: [26]plug at plug.org.au
>      Subject: [plug] OwnCloud.org
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>      Hey
> 
>      Has any one used Owncloud.org?
>      Any thoughts
>      Or other recommendations of similar
> 
>      It's supposed to be more open cloud services
> 
>      Cheers Paul
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>      Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:12:47 +0800
>      From: Lucas van staden <[29]lvs at dedmeet.com>
>      To: [30]plug at plug.org.au
>      Subject: Re: [plug] [plug-ctte] [Committee] Installing linux on Win 8
>      * * * * PC
>      Message-ID:
>      * * * *
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>      Hey Fred,
> 
>      You can download one of the popular Linux Distro's, boot of the cd/dvd
>      and
>      just follow the install procedure.
>      Most modern linux install processes will deal with the windows
>      partition,
>      and allow you to dual boot. (and set that up for you)
> 
>      Not had any experience with Win 8 yet (don't think I will), thus I
>      cannot
>      say 100% if dual boot setup works with it out-the-box like that, or if
>      you
>      need to do 'stuff' to make it work.
> 
>      As a first time linux user, I would highly recommend Linux Mint as your
>      first step. From experience I had found that windows users find it easy
>      to
>      adapt to that distro.
> 
>      ref: [32]http://www.linuxmint.com/
> 
>      Welcome to Linux.
> 
>      -Lucas
> 
>      On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Paul Del <[33]p at delfante.it> wrote:
> 
>      > Hey Fred
>      >
>      > Please send your emails to the mailing list. Not committee ;-)
>      > [34]http://plug.org.au/resources/mailing-list
>      >
>      > If your wanting to install Linux on a notebook all good.
>      > Make sure you include brand/model/type of your notebook
>      >
>      > There may be a problem with this new secure boot being locked to Ms
>      Windows
>      > [35]http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/M/microsoft_secure_boot.html
>      >
>      > There is guys in the group who will know more about that
>      > Ciao
>      >
>      > >
>      > >
>      > Hi Perth Linux Guru's,
>      > Apologies if I am using the wrong forum for this but I have only just
>      > discovered your site ;)
>      > I have recently bought a Win 8 notebook PC and want to install Linux
>      on it
>      > so that i can have the choice of using Windows or Linux as the OS. *I
>      > understabd that this is not very straight forward as Win has a
>      security set
>      > - up which needs to be turned off and my research on the net has not
>      been
>      > conclusive. *I have not used linux yet but would like to. Can you pse
>      > advise on this subject?
>      > Kind Rgds,
>      > Fred
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 12:27 PM, <[36]chieftiff at gmail.com> wrote:
>      >
>      >> Fred sent a message using the contact form at
>      >> [37]http://www.plug.org.au/contact**.
>      >>
>      >> Hi Perth Linux Guru's,
>      >> Apologies if I am using the wrong forum for this but I have only just
>      >> discovered your site ;)
>      >> I have recently bought a Win 8 notebook PC and want to install Linux
>      on
>      >> it so that i can have the choice of using Windows or Linux as the OS.
>      *I
>      >> understabd that this is not very straight forward as Win has a
>      security set
>      >> - up which needs to be turned off and my research on the net has not
>      been
>      >> conclusive. *I have not used linux yet but would like to. Can you pse
>      >> advise on this subject?
>      >> Kind Rgds,
>      >> Fred
>      >> ______________________________**_________________
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>      >> [38]committee at plug.org.au
>      >>
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>      >>
>      >
>      >
>      >
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>      Message: 4
>      Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:21:42 +0800
>      From: Michael Van Delft <[47]michael at hybr.id.au>
>      To: [48]plug at plug.org.au
>      Subject: Re: [plug] OwnCloud.org
>      Message-ID:
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>      Hey Paul,
> 
>      I've setup a cheap VPS from linode running ownCloud and used the
>      desktop client to sync files. I feel like it's 90% there but just
>      needs a bit more polish before it becomes good enough that I'd move
>      all my stuff from Google Drive/Contacts/Calendar/Mail (There is a
>      Roundcube plugin for mail)/Bookmarks. I've found it to be a little
>      slow but that could be because I'm hosting it on the cheapest linode
>      server I could find it's got 512mb RAM and hosted in Singapore. Might
>      be a lot quicker hosted on a beefier machine at home.
> 
>      I've got it running at [50]https://hybr.id.au if you want to try it out
>      I
>      can set up an account for you. (I use a certificate from [51]cacert.org
>      so
>      if you get a certificate warning don't worry.)
> 
>      I'd also be very interested to hear about any open source self hosted
>      cloud solutions especially if anyone knows of a self hosted office
>      suite like Google Docs.
> 
>      Cheers,
>      Michael
> 
>      On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Paul Del <[52]p at delfante.it> wrote:
>      > Hey
>      >
>      > Has any one used Owncloud.org?
>      > Any thoughts
>      > Or other recommendations of similar
>      >
>      > It's supposed to be more open cloud services
>      >
>      > Cheers Paul
>      >
>      > _______________________________________________
>      > PLUG discussion list: [53]plug at plug.org.au
>      > [54]http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
>      > Committee e-mail: [55]committee at plug.org.au
>      > PLUG Membership: [56]http://www.plug.org.au/membership
> 
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>      Message: 5
>      Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 17:54:55 +0800
>      From: Simon Wise <[57]simonzwise at gmail.com>
>      To: [58]plug at plug.org.au
>      Subject: Re: [plug] [plug-ctte] [Committee] Installing linux on Win 8
>      * * * * PC
>      Message-ID: <[59]51CC0BEF.2050107 at gmail.com>
>      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
>      On 27/06/13 14:12, Lucas van staden wrote:
>      > Hey Fred,
>      >
>      > You can download one of the popular Linux Distro's, boot of the cd/dvd
>      and
>      > just follow the install procedure.
>      > Most modern linux install processes will deal with the windows
>      partition,
>      > and allow you to dual boot. (and set that up for you)
>      >
>      > Not had any experience with Win 8 yet (don't think I will), thus I
>      cannot
>      > say 100% if dual boot setup works with it out-the-box like that, or if
>      you
>      > need to do 'stuff' to make it work.
>      >
>      > As a first time linux user, I would highly recommend Linux Mint as
>      your
>      > first step. From experience I had found that windows users find it
>      easy to
>      > adapt to that distro.
>      >
>      > ref: [60]http://www.linuxmint.com/
>      >
>      > Welcome to Linux.
> 
>      Depending on the tablet the secure boot stuff could be either a pain, or
>      will
>      prevent you using Linux (or anything much else) on that device
>      completely. I
>      can't confirm this myself, I have no such device, but when Win 8 was
>      released
>      this was the situation ...
> 
>      If you bought one of the smaller ARM based ones then I believe it is
>      permanently
>      hardware locked to prevent anything except updates approved and signed
>      by
>      Microsoft for your (sic) particular device and the binaries that the
>      (signed by
>      Microsoft and unmodified or else it will not be boot-able) Win 8 OS
>      permits you
>      to run because they are signed by Microsoft and unmodified (i.e. you
>      paid for
>      them via the official app store or whatever it is called in Microsoft
>      land). In
>      which case the "Welcome to Linux" may unfortunately be a little
>      premature, and
>      if you do insist on booting Linux then eBay will be your friend.
> 
>      If you bought an intel based tablet it is apparently possible to turn
>      off the
>      hardware lock, or at least switch the signing authority or something ...
>      an open
>      source organisation has paid (on your behalf, aren't you lucky) the
>      secure boot
>      makers for appropriate codes etc to sign Linux boot systems, and boot
>      disks are
>      I believe able to use this to boot into Linux. One laptop manufacturer
>      and their
>      customers still got badly stung by this, since there was a bug in the
>      secure
>      boot system which completely bricked the laptop if you used this system
>      ... it
>      required a return to the manufacturer before it would do anything at
>      all. The
>      permanent locking to Microsoft exclusively is required by Microsoft
>      before they
>      will certify an ARM device for Windows 8, the removable lock is required
>      for
>      certification for an intel device. Google will be your friend in this
>      case, and
>      the solution less drastic than sell it and buy something better. I
>      haven't
>      tried, I haven't bought (if you can call it that ... not sure who
>      actually
>      'owns' it given the above) a Microsoft tablet.
> 
>      Simon
> 
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>      Message: 6
>      Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 19:10:32 +0800
>      From: Paul Dean <[61]paul at thecave.ws>
>      To: [62]plug at plug.org.au
>      Subject: Re: [plug] OwnCloud.org
>      Message-ID: <[63]20130627191032.1623cf9b at slab3.inthecave.ws>
>      Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
>      Hi Michael,
> 
>      What version of ownCloud are you running?
> 
>      I've been watching this over the past few years, and slowly as it
>      matures, v5.0 looked it had reached a reasonable maturity level.
> 
>      Would love to hear more of ppls opinions about it.
> 
>      --
> 
>      Thanks
> 
>      Paul Dean.
> 
>      "Life is not WHAT you make it, it's WHO you have in it..."
> 
>      On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:21:42 +0800
>      Michael Van Delft <[64]michael at hybr.id.au> wrote:
> 
>      >Hey Paul,
>      >
>      >I've setup a cheap VPS from linode running ownCloud and used the
>      >desktop client to sync files. I feel like it's 90% there but just
>      >needs a bit more polish before it becomes good enough that I'd move
>      >all my stuff from Google Drive/Contacts/Calendar/Mail (There is a
>      >Roundcube plugin for mail)/Bookmarks. I've found it to be a little
>      >slow but that could be because I'm hosting it on the cheapest linode
>      >server I could find it's got 512mb RAM and hosted in Singapore. Might
>      >be a lot quicker hosted on a beefier machine at home.
>      >
>      >I've got it running at [65]https://hybr.id.au if you want to try it out
>      I
>      >can set up an account for you. (I use a certificate from [66]cacert.org
>      so
>      >if you get a certificate warning don't worry.)
>      >
>      >I'd also be very interested to hear about any open source self hosted
>      >cloud solutions especially if anyone knows of a self hosted office
>      >suite like Google Docs.
>      >
>      >Cheers,
>      >Michael
>      >
>      >On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Paul Del <[67]p at delfante.it> wrote:
>      >> Hey
>      >>
>      >> Has any one used Owncloud.org?
>      >> Any thoughts
>      >> Or other recommendations of similar
>      >>
>      >> It's supposed to be more open cloud services
>      >>
>      >> Cheers Paul
>      >>
>      >> _______________________________________________
>      >> PLUG discussion list: [68]plug at plug.org.au
>      >> [69]http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
>      >> Committee e-mail: [70]committee at plug.org.au
>      >> PLUG Membership: [71]http://www.plug.org.au/membership
>      >_______________________________________________
>      >PLUG discussion list: [72]plug at plug.org.au
>      >[73]http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
>      >Committee e-mail: [74]committee at plug.org.au
>      >PLUG Membership: [75]http://www.plug.org.au/membership
> 
>      --
> 
>      Thanks
> 
>      Paul Dean.
> 
>      "Life is not WHAT you make it, it's WHO you have in it..."
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>      Message: 7
>      Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 19:40:44 +0800
>      From: Tim Basten <[77]tbasten at gmail.com>
>      To: "[78]plug at plug.org.au" <[79]plug at plug.org.au>
>      Subject: Re: [plug] OwnCloud.org
>      Message-ID: <-382283334138592506 at unknownmsgid>
>      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
>      Hi Paul,
> 
>      I jus installed the latest version on the weekend. Without having
>      spent to much time on it, I have picked up a few things which are more
>      of an annoyance then an issue. One of the, being that only allows for
>      vCard formats for importing contacts. Wile there are ways to get most
>      contacts to a vCard, having an option to import from other format
>      types out be better. The other one is the android app is only for file
>      sharing (from what I can tell). If you want to sync your contacts onto
>      your phone, you need to download another app on your android that
>      syncs vCards. Other then those things the layout of the website is
>      really nice, it was really easy to setup and the chrome bookmarks
>      extension work much better then delicious.
> 
>      I haven't been fully converted yet so at this stage I am still using
>      Dropbox and gmail for my contacts.
> 
>      Thanks
>      Tim
> 
>      On 27/06/2013, at 7:11 PM, Paul Dean <[80]paul at thecave.ws> wrote:
> 
>      > Hi Michael,
>      >
>      > What version of ownCloud are you running?
>      >
>      > I've been watching this over the past few years, and slowly as it
>      matures, v5.0 looked it had reached a reasonable maturity level.
>      >
>      > Would love to hear more of ppls opinions about it.
>      >
>      >
>      > --
>      >
>      >
>      > Thanks
>      >
>      > Paul Dean.
>      >
>      > "Life is not WHAT you make it, it's WHO you have in it..."
>      >
>      >
>      > On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:21:42 +0800
>      > Michael Van Delft <[81]michael at hybr.id.au> wrote:
>      >
>      >> Hey Paul,
>      >>
>      >> I've setup a cheap VPS from linode running ownCloud and used the
>      >> desktop client to sync files. I feel like it's 90% there but just
>      >> needs a bit more polish before it becomes good enough that I'd move
>      >> all my stuff from Google Drive/Contacts/Calendar/Mail (There is a
>      >> Roundcube plugin for mail)/Bookmarks. I've found it to be a little
>      >> slow but that could be because I'm hosting it on the cheapest linode
>      >> server I could find it's got 512mb RAM and hosted in Singapore. Might
>      >> be a lot quicker hosted on a beefier machine at home.
>      >>
>      >> I've got it running at [82]https://hybr.id.au if you want to try it
>      out I
>      >> can set up an account for you. (I use a certificate from
>      [83]cacert.org so
>      >> if you get a certificate warning don't worry.)
>      >>
>      >> I'd also be very interested to hear about any open source self hosted
>      >> cloud solutions especially if anyone knows of a self hosted office
>      >> suite like Google Docs.
>      >>
>      >> Cheers,
>      >> Michael
>      >>
>      >> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Paul Del <[84]p at delfante.it> wrote:
>      >>> Hey
>      >>>
>      >>> Has any one used Owncloud.org?
>      >>> Any thoughts
>      >>> Or other recommendations of similar
>      >>>
>      >>> It's supposed to be more open cloud services
>      >>>
>      >>> Cheers Paul
>      >>>
>      >>> _______________________________________________
>      >>> PLUG discussion list: [85]plug at plug.org.au
>      >>> [86]http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
>      >>> Committee e-mail: [87]committee at plug.org.au
>      >>> PLUG Membership: [88]http://www.plug.org.au/membership
>      >> _______________________________________________
>      >> PLUG discussion list: [89]plug at plug.org.au
>      >> [90]http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
>      >> Committee e-mail: [91]committee at plug.org.au
>      >> PLUG Membership: [92]http://www.plug.org.au/membership
>      >
>      >
>      > --
>      >
>      > Thanks
>      >
>      > Paul Dean.
>      >
>      > "Life is not WHAT you make it, it's WHO you have in it..."
>      > _______________________________________________
>      > PLUG discussion list: [93]plug at plug.org.au
>      > [94]http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
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>      > PLUG Membership: [96]http://www.plug.org.au/membership
> 
>      ------------------------------
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>      Subject: Digest Footer
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>      _______________________________________________
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>      Committee e-mail: [99]committee at plug.linux.org.au
> 
>      ------------------------------
> 
>      End of plug Digest, Vol 109, Issue 17
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>    Visible links
>    1. http://owncloud.org/
>    2. https://owncube.com/networkmap-en.php
>    3. http://linonde.org/
>    4. http://owncloud.org/
>    5. http://owncloud.org/
>    6. mailto:plug-request at plug.org.au
>    7. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
>    8. http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
>    9. mailto:plug-request at plug.org.au
>   10. mailto:plug-owner at plug.org.au
>   11. mailto:p at delfante.it
>   12. mailto:chieftiff at gmail.com
>   13. mailto:committee at plug.org.au
>   14. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
>   15. mailto:joZhG4Q at mail.gmail.com
>   16. http://plug.org.au/resources/mailing-list
>   17. http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/M/microsoft_secure_boot.html
>   18. mailto:chieftiff at gmail.com
>   19. http://www.plug.org.au/contact**
>   20. mailto:committee at plug.org.au
>   21. http://lists.plug.org.au/**mailman/listinfo/committee
>   22. http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/committee
>   23. http://bit.ly/deltekhelpdesk
>   24. http://lists.plug.org.au/pipermail/plug/attachments/20130627/ee219b1a/attachment-0001.html
>   25. mailto:p at delfante.it
>   26. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
>   27. mailto:H2JFxbn7vg at mail.gmail.com
>   28. http://lists.plug.org.au/pipermail/plug/attachments/20130627/3f52feec/attachment-0001.html
>   29. mailto:lvs at dedmeet.com
>   30. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
>   31. mailto:CAO0xyVOWORi0YHWn-ezJcQrWhDPgJHR-hzUXUiushYAE9cN63Q at mail.gmail.com
>   32. http://www.linuxmint.com/
>   33. mailto:p at delfante.it
>   34. http://plug.org.au/resources/mailing-list
>   35. http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/M/microsoft_secure_boot.html
>   36. mailto:chieftiff at gmail.com
>   37. http://www.plug.org.au/contact**
>   38. mailto:committee at plug.org.au
>   39. http://lists.plug.org.au/**mailman/listinfo/committee
>   40. http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/committee
>   41. http://bit.ly/deltekhelpdesk
>   42. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
>   43. http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
>   44. mailto:committee at plug.org.au
>   45. http://www.plug.org.au/membership
>   46. http://lists.plug.org.au/pipermail/plug/attachments/20130627/7d4f47c4/attachment-0001.html
>   47. mailto:michael at hybr.id.au
>   48. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
>   49. mailto:HBcFT0hRqu2qtrtDAs6WpsDg at mail.gmail.com
>   50. https://hybr.id.au/
>   51. http://cacert.org/
>   52. mailto:p at delfante.it
>   53. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
>   54. http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
>   55. mailto:committee at plug.org.au
>   56. http://www.plug.org.au/membership
>   57. mailto:simonzwise at gmail.com
>   58. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
>   59. mailto:51CC0BEF.2050107 at gmail.com
>   60. http://www.linuxmint.com/
>   61. mailto:paul at thecave.ws
>   62. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
>   63. mailto:20130627191032.1623cf9b at slab3.inthecave.ws
>   64. mailto:michael at hybr.id.au
>   65. https://hybr.id.au/
>   66. http://cacert.org/
>   67. mailto:p at delfante.it
>   68. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
>   69. http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
>   70. mailto:committee at plug.org.au
>   71. http://www.plug.org.au/membership
>   72. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
>   73. http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
>   74. mailto:committee at plug.org.au
>   75. http://www.plug.org.au/membership
>   76. http://lists.plug.org.au/pipermail/plug/attachments/20130627/c7517dc8/attachment-0001.sig
>   77. mailto:tbasten at gmail.com
>   78. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
>   79. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
>   80. mailto:paul at thecave.ws
>   81. mailto:michael at hybr.id.au
>   82. https://hybr.id.au/
>   83. http://cacert.org/
>   84. mailto:p at delfante.it
>   85. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
>   86. http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
>   87. mailto:committee at plug.org.au
>   88. http://www.plug.org.au/membership
>   89. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
>   90. http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
>   91. mailto:committee at plug.org.au
>   92. http://www.plug.org.au/membership
>   93. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
>   94. http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
>   95. mailto:committee at plug.org.au
>   96. http://www.plug.org.au/membership
>   97. mailto:plug at plug.org.au
>   98. http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
>   99. mailto:committee at plug.linux.org.au
>  100. http://bit.ly/deltekhelpdesk

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