[plug] plug Digest, Vol 137, Issue 9
Gareth James
garethjames87 at gmail.com
Mon Oct 12 13:25:09 UTC 2015
I think governments have key escrow agreements with most big software
vendors like Whatsapp.
ASIO/AFP would just need to liaise with NSA to get access.
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> 1. Mandatory data retention (Luke John)
> 2. Re: Mandatory data retention (Nicholas Lloyd - HESWA)
> 3. Re: Mandatory data retention (Marcos Ra?l Carot)
> 4. Re: Mandatory data retention (Marcos Ra?l Carot)
> 5. Re: Mandatory data retention (Hani Jabr)
> 6. Re: Mandatory data retention (Nicholas Lloyd - HESWA)
> 7. Re: Mandatory data retention (Euan)
> 8. Re: Mandatory data retention (Marcos Ra?l Carot)
> 9. Re: Mandatory data retention (Michael Van Delft)
> 10. Re: Mandatory data retention (Jim Householder)
> 11. Re: Mandatory data retention (Luke Woollard)
> 12. Re: Mandatory data retention (Euan)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 08:52:24 +0800
> From: Luke John <email at lukejohn.me>
> To: "plug at plug.org.au" <plug at plug.org.au>
> Subject: [plug] Mandatory data retention
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> Hey Pluggers.
>
> I'm planning on finally moving to encrypted and off the record
> messaging to celebrate the implementation of mandatory data tommorrow
> starting tomorrow.
>
> Based on the information put out by the EFF
> [Communicating with Others](
> https://ssd.eff.org/en/module/communicating-others)
> I'm currently looking at using signal for encrypted messaging and
> chatsecure for off the record messaging as both are available on ios
> and android.
>
> Has anyone had experience using these or similar tools and have any
> advice for how to encourage friends and family to start using them as
> well?
>
> Cheers,
> Luke
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 09:05:56 +0800
> From: "Nicholas Lloyd - HESWA" <nic at heswa.com.au>
> To: "'Luke John'" <email at lukejohn.me>, <plug at plug.org.au>
> Subject: Re: [plug] Mandatory data retention
> Message-ID: <240901d1048a$270b6070$75222150$@heswa.com.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi Luke,
>
> I use SMSSecure on Android. It's pretty simple to use, and I actually like
> it better than the stock Cyanogenmod messaging app. SMSSecure is also
> available on F-droid - which is required for me because I don't run Google
> services.
>
> I only have a few friends who have it so far, but it's quick and easy and
> imports your texts from the previous app, so it's just a matter of getting
> around to talk to everyone about it. You can set it up for less tech-savvy
> friends and family and they basically won't notice any change.
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
> Nicholas Lloyd
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 01:10:06 +0000
> From: Marcos Ra?l Carot <marcos.carot at gmail.com>
> To: Nicholas Lloyd - HESWA <nic at heswa.com.au>, Luke John
> <email at lukejohn.me>, plug at plug.org.au
> Subject: Re: [plug] Mandatory data retention
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>
> Hi,
>
> I use Telegram, available for Android, IOS, Windows, Mac and Linux.
>
> 0481098326 if someone wants to add me :)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Marcos
>
>
> On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 at 09:06 Nicholas Lloyd - HESWA <nic at heswa.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Luke,
> >
> > I use SMSSecure on Android. It's pretty simple to use, and I actually
> like
> > it better than the stock Cyanogenmod messaging app. SMSSecure is also
> > available on F-droid - which is required for me because I don't run
> Google
> > services.
> >
> > I only have a few friends who have it so far, but it's quick and easy and
> > imports your texts from the previous app, so it's just a matter of
> getting
> > around to talk to everyone about it. You can set it up for less
> tech-savvy
> > friends and family and they basically won't notice any change.
> >
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> >
> > Nicholas Lloyd
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
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> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 01:10:38 +0000
> From: Marcos Ra?l Carot <marcos.carot at gmail.com>
> To: Nicholas Lloyd - HESWA <nic at heswa.com.au>, Luke John
> <email at lukejohn.me>, plug at plug.org.au
> Subject: Re: [plug] Mandatory data retention
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> Sorry, forgot the mandatory link :)
>
> https://telegram.org/
>
>
>
> On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 at 09:10 Marcos Ra?l Carot <marcos.carot at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I use Telegram, available for Android, IOS, Windows, Mac and Linux.
> >
> > 0481098326 if someone wants to add me :)
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Marcos
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 at 09:06 Nicholas Lloyd - HESWA <nic at heswa.com.au>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Luke,
> >>
> >> I use SMSSecure on Android. It's pretty simple to use, and I actually
> >> like
> >> it better than the stock Cyanogenmod messaging app. SMSSecure is also
> >> available on F-droid - which is required for me because I don't run
> Google
> >> services.
> >>
> >> I only have a few friends who have it so far, but it's quick and easy
> and
> >> imports your texts from the previous app, so it's just a matter of
> getting
> >> around to talk to everyone about it. You can set it up for less
> >> tech-savvy
> >> friends and family and they basically won't notice any change.
> >>
> >>
> >> Kind regards,
> >>
> >>
> >> Nicholas Lloyd
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> PLUG discussion list: plug at plug.org.au
> >> http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
> >> Committee e-mail: committee at plug.org.au
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 09:29:10 +0800
> From: Hani Jabr <hani at nuix.net>
> To: Luke John <email at lukejohn.me>
> Cc: "plug at plug.org.au" <plug at plug.org.au>
> Subject: Re: [plug] Mandatory data retention
> Message-ID: <0CBDFB81-9C11-4DB2-8345-5B56037500EC at nuix.net>
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> Isn't this "too little, too late?" Doesn't this just make you a target
> for the AFP and serve as an excuse to ban encryption?
>
>
>
> > On 12 Oct 2015, at 08:52, Luke John <email at lukejohn.me> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Pluggers.
> >
> > I'm planning on finally moving to encrypted and off the record
> > messaging to celebrate the implementation of mandatory data tommorrow
> > starting tomorrow.
> >
> > Based on the information put out by the EFF
> > [Communicating with Others](
> https://ssd.eff.org/en/module/communicating-others)
> > I'm currently looking at using signal for encrypted messaging and
> > chatsecure for off the record messaging as both are available on ios
> > and android.
> >
> > Has anyone had experience using these or similar tools and have any
> > advice for how to encourage friends and family to start using them as
> > well?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Luke
> > _______________________________________________
> > PLUG discussion list: plug at plug.org.au
> > http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
> > Committee e-mail: committee at plug.org.au
> > PLUG Membership: http://www.plug.org.au/membership
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 09:49:03 +0800
> From: "Nicholas Lloyd - HESWA" <nic at heswa.com.au>
> To: <plug at plug.org.au>
> Subject: Re: [plug] Mandatory data retention
> Message-ID: <243101d10490$2d4edd80$87ec9880$@heswa.com.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Using Linux already makes us targets. I figure I may as well make it as
> difficult as possible for them to find out my grocery list. My reasoning
> is:
>
> They shouldn't be invading my privacy.
> If more of us use encryption, then it provides better protection for those
> who really need it - like journalists and whistle-blowers.
>
> Citizens; not suspects.
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
> Nick
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: plug [mailto:plug-bounces at plug.org.au] On Behalf Of Hani Jabr
> Sent: Monday, 12 October 2015 9:29 AM
> To: Luke John
> Cc: plug at plug.org.au
> Subject: Re: [plug] Mandatory data retention
>
> Isn't this "too little, too late?" Doesn't this just make you a target for
> the AFP and serve as an excuse to ban encryption?
>
>
>
> > On 12 Oct 2015, at 08:52, Luke John <email at lukejohn.me> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Pluggers.
> >
> > I'm planning on finally moving to encrypted and off the record
> > messaging to celebrate the implementation of mandatory data tommorrow
> > starting tomorrow.
> >
> > Based on the information put out by the EFF [Communicating with
> > Others](https://ssd.eff.org/en/module/communicating-others)
> > I'm currently looking at using signal for encrypted messaging and
> > chatsecure for off the record messaging as both are available on ios
> > and android.
> >
> > Has anyone had experience using these or similar tools and have any
> > advice for how to encourage friends and family to start using them as
> > well?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Luke
> > _______________________________________________
> > PLUG discussion list: plug at plug.org.au
> > http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
> > Committee e-mail: committee at plug.org.au PLUG Membership:
> > http://www.plug.org.au/membership
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
> Committee e-mail: committee at plug.org.au
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>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 09:52:34 +0800
> From: Euan <euan at dekock.net>
> To: Hani Jabr <hani at nuix.net>,Luke John <email at lukejohn.me>
> Cc: "plug at plug.org.au" <plug at plug.org.au>
> Subject: Re: [plug] Mandatory data retention
> Message-ID: <D61FB635-C4B9-4948-AABC-B26EF272348F at dekock.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> The more people that use encryption the better, that way the signal to
> noise ratio is lower and it's much harder to profile people purely because
> they use encryption.
>
> In other words - we help protect those who need privacy by using
> encryption ourselves.
>
> Regards,
>
> Euan
>
> On 12 October 2015 9:29:10 AM AWST, Hani Jabr <hani at nuix.net> wrote:
> >Isn't this "too little, too late?" Doesn't this just make you a target
> >for the AFP and serve as an excuse to ban encryption?
> >
> >
> >
> >> On 12 Oct 2015, at 08:52, Luke John <email at lukejohn.me> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey Pluggers.
> >>
> >> I'm planning on finally moving to encrypted and off the record
> >> messaging to celebrate the implementation of mandatory data tommorrow
> >> starting tomorrow.
> >>
> >> Based on the information put out by the EFF
> >> [Communicating with
> >Others](https://ssd.eff.org/en/module/communicating-others)
> >> I'm currently looking at using signal for encrypted messaging and
> >> chatsecure for off the record messaging as both are available on ios
> >> and android.
> >>
> >> Has anyone had experience using these or similar tools and have any
> >> advice for how to encourage friends and family to start using them as
> >> well?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Luke
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> PLUG discussion list: plug at plug.org.au
> >> http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
> >> Committee e-mail: committee at plug.org.au
> >> PLUG Membership: http://www.plug.org.au/membership
> >_______________________________________________
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> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 01:54:59 +0000
> From: Marcos Ra?l Carot <marcos.carot at gmail.com>
> To: Euan <euan at dekock.net>, Hani Jabr <hani at nuix.net>, Luke John
> <email at lukejohn.me>
> Cc: "plug at plug.org.au" <plug at plug.org.au>
> Subject: Re: [plug] Mandatory data retention
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> Fully agree. I have been thinking of setting a TOR node in my house.
>
> On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 at 09:52 Euan <euan at dekock.net> wrote:
>
> > The more people that use encryption the better, that way the signal to
> > noise ratio is lower and it's much harder to profile people purely
> because
> > they use encryption.
> >
> > In other words - we help protect those who need privacy by using
> > encryption ourselves.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Euan
> >
> > On 12 October 2015 9:29:10 AM AWST, Hani Jabr <hani at nuix.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Isn't this "too little, too late?" Doesn't this just make you a target
> for the AFP and serve as an excuse to ban encryption?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12 Oct 2015, at 08:52, Luke John <email at lukejohn.me> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hey Pluggers.
> >>>
> >>> I'm planning on finally moving to encrypted and off the record
> >>> messaging to celebrate the implementation of mandatory data tommorrow
> >>> starting tomorrow.
> >>>
> >>> Based on the information put out by the EFF
> >>> [Communicating with Others](
> https://ssd.eff.org/en/module/communicating-others)
> >>> I'm currently looking at using signal for encrypted messaging and
> >>> chatsecure for off the record messaging as both are available on ios
> >>> and android.
> >>>
> >>> Has anyone had experience using these or similar
> >>> tools and have any
> >>> advice for how to encourage friends and family to start using them as
> >>> well?
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Luke
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> PLUG discussion list: plug at plug.org.au
> >>> http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
> >>> Committee e-mail: committee at plug.org.au
> >>> PLUG Membership: http://www.plug.org.au/membership
> >>>
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> >> _______________________________________________
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> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 10:13:14 +0800
> From: Michael Van Delft <michael at hybr.id.au>
> To: "plug at plug.org.au" <plug at plug.org.au>
> Subject: Re: [plug] Mandatory data retention
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> I don't personally use it but just throwing it out there as an idea;
> WhatsApp do end to end encryption and use the same protocol as
> TextSecure from Open Whisper Systems
> https://whispersystems.org/blog/whatsapp/ the nice thing about
> WhatsApp is that it's big enough and mainstream enough that it should
> be fairly easy to convince friends and family to use it.
>
> iMessage is end to end encrypted too, it's not cross platform and I
> wish they would open it up a bit more so we could verify that it does
> what it says it does. Mathew Green has a pretty good write up about
> their crypto thorough and it sounds pretty robust
>
> http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2015/09/lets-talk-about-imessage-again.html
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 15:36:37 +0800
> From: Jim Householder <nofixed at westnet.com.au>
> To: plug at plug.org.au
> Subject: Re: [plug] Mandatory data retention
> Message-ID: <561B6305.8070807 at westnet.com.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
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> If all that is retained is meta-data, what will encryption accomplish
> other than future-proofing?
>
>
> On 12/10/15 09:29, Hani Jabr wrote:
> > Isn't this "too little, too late?" Doesn't this just make you a target
> for the AFP and serve as an excuse to ban encryption?
> >
> >
> >
> >> On 12 Oct 2015, at 08:52, Luke John <email at lukejohn.me> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey Pluggers.
> >>
> >> I'm planning on finally moving to encrypted and off the record
> >> messaging to celebrate the implementation of mandatory data tommorrow
> >> starting tomorrow.
> >>
> >> Based on the information put out by the EFF
> >> [Communicating with Others](
> https://ssd.eff.org/en/module/communicating-others)
> >> I'm currently looking at using signal for encrypted messaging and
> >> chatsecure for off the record messaging as both are available on ios
> >> and android.
> >>
> >> Has anyone had experience using these or similar tools and have any
> >> advice for how to encourage friends and family to start using them as
> >> well?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Luke
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> PLUG discussion list: plug at plug.org.au
> >> http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
> >> Committee e-mail: committee at plug.org.au
> >> PLUG Membership: http://www.plug.org.au/membership
> > _______________________________________________
> > PLUG discussion list: plug at plug.org.au
> > http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
> > Committee e-mail: committee at plug.org.au
> > PLUG Membership: http://www.plug.org.au/membership
> >
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 17:47:28 +0800
> From: Luke Woollard <luke.woollard at osmahi.com>
> To: Jim Householder <nofixed at westnet.com.au>
> Cc: "plug at plug.org.au" <plug at plug.org.au>
> Subject: Re: [plug] Mandatory data retention
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>
> Thanks for all the feedback everyone.
>
> @Marcos
> Running a TOR edge node sounds like a fair bit of hassle. I've heard
> many anecdotes about homes being raided. Good luck if you do go ahead
> with it.
>
> @Jim
> "Even if the current definition of what is to be retained under the
> data retention regime is limited to certain information, there is the
> likelihood that this definition will expand at a later date.
> Additionally there is the threat that innocuous activity could
> inadvertently raise suspicion through false positive identification.
> This could in turn increase the amount of warrants issued on innocent
> people, warrants which will then cause the retention of extra content
> in relation to these people. Thus, average users could be more likely
> to come under the increased scrutiny of a preservation order so
> protecting data that is outside the purview of the mandatory data
> retention regime may be advisable." ->
> https://pirateparty.org.au/dataretention/
>
> Also this is really something I've been intending to do for a while
> now. Hopefully given the introduction of data retention it will be
> easier to encourage people to join.
>
> cheers
> Luke John
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Jim Householder <nofixed at westnet.com.au>
> wrote:
> > If all that is retained is meta-data, what will encryption accomplish
> other
> > than future-proofing?
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12/10/15 09:29, Hani Jabr wrote:
> >>
> >> Isn't this "too little, too late?" Doesn't this just make you a target
> >> for the AFP and serve as an excuse to ban encryption?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 12 Oct 2015, at 08:52, Luke John <email at lukejohn.me> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hey Pluggers.
> >>>
> >>> I'm planning on finally moving to encrypted and off the record
> >>> messaging to celebrate the implementation of mandatory data tommorrow
> >>> starting tomorrow.
> >>>
> >>> Based on the information put out by the EFF
> >>> [Communicating with
> >>> Others](https://ssd.eff.org/en/module/communicating-others)
> >>> I'm currently looking at using signal for encrypted messaging and
> >>> chatsecure for off the record messaging as both are available on ios
> >>> and android.
> >>>
> >>> Has anyone had experience using these or similar tools and have any
> >>> advice for how to encourage friends and family to start using them as
> >>> well?
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Luke
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> PLUG discussion list: plug at plug.org.au
> >>> http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
> >>> Committee e-mail: committee at plug.org.au
> >>> PLUG Membership: http://www.plug.org.au/membership
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> PLUG discussion list: plug at plug.org.au
> >> http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
> >> Committee e-mail: committee at plug.org.au
> >> PLUG Membership: http://www.plug.org.au/membership
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > PLUG discussion list: plug at plug.org.au
> > http://lists.plug.org.au/mailman/listinfo/plug
> > Committee e-mail: committee at plug.org.au
> > PLUG Membership: http://www.plug.org.au/membership
>
>
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>
> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 18:25:52 +0800
> From: Euan <euan at dekock.net>
> To: Jim Householder <nofixed at westnet.com.au>,plug at plug.org.au
> Subject: Re: [plug] Mandatory data retention
> Message-ID: <4958FABB-86AE-42B0-A391-B3E59AC12206 at dekock.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Metadata enables the gov to determine the source and destination of your
> traffic, and enables them to associate that traffic to a billing entity.
>
> The assumption being that they are already capable of accessing the actual
> content of the communications - which I don't think is in dispute any more.
>
> By encrypting the data we force them to act within the published law -
> i.e. They only get to see the meta data they have passed a law to gain
> access to.
>
> This way we all have a clear understanding of who is seeing what. If they
> don't want to see the actual data, then encryption shouldn't be an issue.
>
> Deeper encryption, like tor and vpn's also eliminate a lot of the meta
> data, but not completely, by gathering the meta data directly from your isp
> they typically capture it before it enters tor, and the vpn endpoints are
> still visible.
>
> Regards,
>
> Euan.
>
> On 12 October 2015 3:36:37 PM AWST, Jim Householder <
> nofixed at westnet.com.au> wrote:
> >If all that is retained is meta-data, what will encryption accomplish
> >other than future-proofing?
> >
> >
> >On 12/10/15 09:29, Hani Jabr wrote:
> >> Isn't this "too little, too late?" Doesn't this just make you a
> >target for the AFP and serve as an excuse to ban encryption?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 12 Oct 2015, at 08:52, Luke John <email at lukejohn.me> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hey Pluggers.
> >>>
> >>> I'm planning on finally moving to encrypted and off the record
> >>> messaging to celebrate the implementation of mandatory data
> >tommorrow
> >>> starting tomorrow.
> >>>
> >>> Based on the information put out by the EFF
> >>> [Communicating with
> >Others](https://ssd.eff.org/en/module/communicating-others)
> >>> I'm currently looking at using signal for encrypted messaging and
> >>> chatsecure for off the record messaging as both are available on ios
> >>> and android.
> >>>
> >>> Has anyone had experience using these or similar tools and have any
> >>> advice for how to encourage friends and family to start using them
> >as
> >>> well?
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Luke
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