[plug] Can anyone recommend resources (local and online) for developing a Linux SOE ?

Wed Apr 6 09:18:31 AWST 2022

As others have pointed out: RHEL in a commercial setting would be the usual go-to. If you’re hell-bent on stability, then avoid RHEL’s upstream editions (Fedora/Centos). I would aim to use Rocky Linux instead which is a downstream version of RHEL 8. Where I work, we use mostly Ubuntu, with a small spattering of Centos because you can’t make everyone happy and some software vendors only work with yum/dnf.

The new version of Ubuntu 22.04 allegedly has better support for Active Directory integration and management, but I haven’t had the time to investigate.

Even if you paid for support from RHEL, they aren’t going to build a SOE/MOE for you. Access to their documentation is free though if you sign up for a developer account (which will also give you access to limited RHEL licensing).

I honestly can’t think of any MSPs in Perth that could build a Linux SOE and outside of the universities/research sector. There isn’t much demand commercially anyway (as far as I’m aware). Linux mostly exists in datacentres not on desktops. Plus, the sort of people who like to use Linux on their desktops are generally allergic to having them centrally managed. It might be easier from an administrative perspective to isolate them on your network (zero-trust) and funnel their access to shared resources via MFA’d/IaP solutions etc.

TL;DR: No one in Perth really supports Linux, there isn’t a big enough market. You’ll probably have to have at least one offering of a Debian based and RHEL based system for compatibility reasons. Aim for stability, use the LTS releases. Configuration management and automation is your friend. But it might be better politically to let your users install Linux themselves and isolate them from sensitive systems.

-w

From: plug <plug-bounces at plug.org.au> On Behalf Of Euan de Kock
Sent: Thursday, 31 March 2022 6:58 PM
To: Dean Bergin <dean.bergin at gmail.com>
Cc: senectus at gmail.com; PLUG mailing list <plug at plug.org.au>
Subject: Re: [plug] Can anyone recommend resources (local and online) for developing a Linux SOE ?

On the RedHat front, they also have some interesting Fedora spins that might be worth a look, Fedora Silver Blue, which is an immutable desktop version and Fedora coreos which is a minimal container version.

Regards,

Euan

On Thu, 31 Mar 2022, 17:16 Dean Bergin, <dean.bergin at gmail.com <mailto:dean.bergin at gmail.com> > wrote:

Dare I say it. Red Hat

Red Hat offer commercial support and their distros are catered to customisations and they have some tooling around it as well I think.

You could probably get away with using their tooling and CentOS to make a pretty decent "image" that can be deployed on a variety of platforms.

Regards,

Dean Bergin

On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 at 15:11, Euan de Kock <euan at dekock.net <mailto:euan at dekock.net> > wrote:

Hi, No worries re the acronym.

A lot depends on what you're trying to do.

If its a "device", like an IoT box, maybe look at a Raspberry Pi with it's own version of Debain (Raspian). Another option - both on a Pi or on X86 hardware would be OpenWRT, it's got a nice configurable web interface and although designed as a router it can be pretty flexible and has good support for running additional apps as docker images.

For a user facing X86 PC, pretty much any of the mainstream variants would work - my daily drive is Fedora, but Debain is pretty popular amongst the PLUG community and would get a lot of support feedback here.

Regards,

Euan.

On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 3:02 PM Sen ectus <senectus at gmail.com <mailto:senectus at gmail.com> > wrote:

Sorry yes you're right:

SOE Standard Operating Environment

Debian probably., I want to make a simple repeatable linux "gold Image" configuration to deploy a bunch of devices that have been pre patched and hardened and where possible configured.

On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 at 14:52, Euan de Kock <euan at dekock.net <mailto:euan at dekock.net> > wrote:

What do you mean by SOE? Sorry, uncontextualized acronyms are hard to understand.

Regards,

Euan

Acronym

Definition

SOE

Special Operations Executive (World War II; UK)

SOE

Sony Online Entertainment Inc.

SOE

State of the Environment (AU)

SOE

Special Operations Executive (British organisation responsible for training and coordinating the operations of partisan groups in occupied countries, WWII)

SOE

Scope of Employment

SOE

School of Education

SOE

School of Engineering

SOE

Spirit of Excellence (various organizations)

SOE

System of Entry

SOE

Sale of Equipment

SOE

Supervisor of Elections

SOE

Society of Engineers (various locations)

SOE

State-Owned Enterprise

SOE

Spirit of Enterprise (various locations)

SOE

Status of Eligibility (Florida)

SOE

Special Operation Equipment

SOE

Standard Operating Environment

SOE

Section of Epidemiology (various organizations)

SOE

Spirit of Elijah

SOE

State of Emergency (game and game term)

SOE

Sequence Of Events

SOE

Sound over Ethernet

SOE

Serial over Ethernet

SOE

Solaris Operating Environment

SOE

Symbol of Excellence

SOE

Standards of Evidence

SOE

Svenska Offroad Entusiasterna (Swedish forum)

SOE

School of Evangelism (Youth with a Mission secondary training school)

SOE

Schedule Of Events

SOE

Society of Operations Engineers

SOE

Standards of Excellence

SOE

Secret Operations Executive (UK)

SOE

Sisters of Elune (role-playing)

SOE

Secret of Evermore (video game)

SOE

System Operational Effectiveness (US DoD)

SOE

Statement of Expenditure

SOE

Small Open Economy (market model)

SOE

Secretary of Energy (sometimes seen as 'S of E')

SOE

Small Office Edition

SOE

Server Operating Environment (computing)

SOE

Sum of Exponentials (mathematics)

SOE

Splicing-by-Overlap Extension

SOE

Special Ops Edition (OCZ Technology)

SOE

Sega of Europe

SOE

Socially Owned Enterprise

SOE

Scroll of Escape (Lineage 2 game)

SOE

Support of Excavation (construction)

SOE

Sales Order Entry

SOE

Sindicat Occitan de l'Educacion (French education union)

SOE

Senior Officials Exercise

SOE

Service Order Entry

SOE

Strength of Earth Totem (gaming, World of Warcraft)

SOE

Safe Operating Envelope

SOE

Soldiers of Europe (gaming clan)

SOE

Standard Office Environment

SOE

Share of Expenditure (finance)

SOE

Subwavelength Optical Elements

SOE

Secondary Optical Element (optics)

SOE

Status Of Equipment

SOE

Stationary Operating Engineer (facilities personnel)

SOE

Software Operating Environment

SOE

Southern Ocean Exploration (Melbourne, Australia)

SOE

Small Operating Equipment

SOE

Shades of Elegance

SOE

Sum Of Errors

SOE

Standard Option Equipment

SOE

Submerged Operating Envelope (submarine design)

SOE

Short of Exchange

SOE

Synthetic Operational Environment

SOE

Sponsor Owned Equipment (US Navy)

SOE

Servodrive Profile over EtherCAT

On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 12:58 PM Sen ectus <senectus at gmail.com <mailto:senectus at gmail.com> > wrote:

Not a big or overly experienced user of Linux (haven't touched it in 20 years) but looking into the crystal ball than may change.

can anyone recommend some good online resources and maybe even suggest commercial local resources for this?

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