[plug] Can anyone recommend resources (local and online) for developing a Linux SOE ?

Wed Apr 6 10:22:11 AWST 2022

I've watched this thread and haven't seen anyone ask you the most important
question, so here it is:

"What is your use case?"

In other words, what are you trying to achieve, in which environment, with
what hardware for which users?

We can provide you with solutions until we run out of electrons, but they
won't be useful or valid until there's a context.

I could create an SOE, and likely many here, but would you want it to be
maintained, is there a budget, etc.

So, what are you trying to do?

If you need personal private support, that's also available, but don't
expect it to come for free, since that doesn't pay the rent.

Looking forward to hearing some details.

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On Wed, 6 Apr 2022, 09:18 , <warren at warbel.net> wrote:

> As others have pointed out: RHEL in a commercial setting would be the
> usual go-to. If you’re hell-bent on stability, then avoid RHEL’s upstream
> editions (Fedora/Centos). I would aim to use Rocky Linux instead which is a
> downstream version of RHEL 8. Where I work, we use mostly Ubuntu, with a
> small spattering of Centos because you can’t make everyone happy and some
> software vendors only work with yum/dnf.
>
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>
> The new version of Ubuntu 22.04 allegedly has better support for Active
> Directory integration and management, but I haven’t had the time to
> investigate.
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> Even if you paid for support from RHEL, they aren’t going to build a
> SOE/MOE for you. Access to their documentation is free though if you sign
> up for a developer account (which will also give you access to limited RHEL
> licensing).
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> I honestly can’t think of any MSPs in Perth that could build a Linux SOE
> and outside of the universities/research sector. There isn’t much demand
> commercially anyway (as far as I’m aware). Linux mostly exists in
> datacentres not on desktops. Plus, the sort of people who like to use Linux
> on their desktops are generally allergic to having them centrally managed.
> It might be easier from an administrative perspective to isolate them on
> your network (zero-trust) and funnel their access to shared resources via
> MFA’d/IaP solutions etc.
>
>
>
> TL;DR: No one in Perth really supports Linux, there isn’t a big enough
> market. You’ll probably have to have at least one offering of a Debian
> based and RHEL based system for compatibility reasons. Aim for stability,
> use the LTS releases. Configuration management and automation is your
> friend. But it might be better politically to let your users install Linux
> themselves and isolate them from sensitive systems.
>
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> -w
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> *From:* plug <plug-bounces at plug.org.au> *On Behalf Of *Euan de Kock
> *Sent:* Thursday, 31 March 2022 6:58 PM
> *To:* Dean Bergin <dean.bergin at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* senectus at gmail.com; PLUG mailing list <plug at plug.org.au>
> *Subject:* Re: [plug] Can anyone recommend resources (local and online)
> for developing a Linux SOE ?
>
>
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> On the RedHat front, they also have some interesting Fedora spins that
> might be worth a look, Fedora Silver Blue, which is an immutable desktop
> version and Fedora coreos which is a minimal container version.
>
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> Regards,
>
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> Euan
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> On Thu, 31 Mar 2022, 17:16 Dean Bergin, <dean.bergin at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Dare I say it. Red Hat
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> Red Hat offer commercial support and their distros are catered to
> customisations and they have some tooling around it as well I think.
>
> You could probably get away with using their tooling and CentOS to make a
> pretty decent "image" that can be deployed on a variety of platforms.
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> *Regards,Dean Bergin*
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> On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 at 15:11, Euan de Kock <euan at dekock.net> wrote:
>
> Hi, No worries re the acronym.
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> A lot depends on what you're trying to do.
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> If its a "device", like an IoT box, maybe look at a Raspberry Pi with it's
> own version of Debain (Raspian). Another option - both on a Pi or on X86
> hardware would be OpenWRT, it's got a nice configurable web interface and
> although designed as a router it can be pretty flexible and has good
> support for running additional apps as docker images.
>
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> For a user facing X86 PC, pretty much any of the mainstream variants would
> work - my daily drive is Fedora, but Debain is pretty popular amongst the
> PLUG community and would get a lot of support feedback here.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Euan.
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> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 3:02 PM Sen ectus <senectus at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry yes you're right:
>
> SOE Standard Operating Environment
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> Debian probably., I want to make a simple repeatable linux "gold Image"
> configuration to deploy a bunch of devices that have been pre patched and
> hardened and where possible configured.
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> On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 at 14:52, Euan de Kock <euan at dekock.net> wrote:
>
> What do you mean by SOE? Sorry, uncontextualized acronyms are hard to
> understand.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Euan
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>
> *Acronym*
>
> *Definition*
>
> SOE
>
> Special Operations Executive *(World War II; UK)*
>
> SOE
>
> Sony Online Entertainment Inc.
>
> SOE
>
> State of the Environment *(AU)*
>
> SOE
>
> Special Operations Executive
> *(British organisation responsible for training and coordinating the operations of partisan groups in occupied countries, WWII)*
>
> SOE
>
> Scope of Employment
>
> SOE
>
> School of Education
>
> SOE
>
> School of Engineering
>
> SOE
>
> Spirit of Excellence *(various organizations)*
>
> SOE
>
> System of Entry
>
> SOE
>
> Sale of Equipment
>
> SOE
>
> Supervisor of Elections
>
> SOE
>
> Society of Engineers *(various locations)*
>
> SOE
>
> State-Owned Enterprise
>
> SOE
>
> Spirit of Enterprise *(various locations)*
>
> SOE
>
> Status of Eligibility *(Florida)*
>
> SOE
>
> Special Operation Equipment
>
> SOE
>
> Standard Operating Environment
>
> SOE
>
> Section of Epidemiology *(various organizations)*
>
> SOE
>
> Spirit of Elijah
>
> SOE
>
> State of Emergency *(game and game term)*
>
> SOE
>
> Sequence Of Events
>
> SOE
>
> Sound over Ethernet
>
> SOE
>
> Serial over Ethernet
>
> SOE
>
> Solaris Operating Environment
>
> SOE
>
> Symbol of Excellence
>
> SOE
>
> Standards of Evidence
>
> SOE
>
> Svenska Offroad Entusiasterna *(Swedish forum)*
>
> SOE
>
> School of Evangelism *(Youth with a Mission secondary training school)*
>
> SOE
>
> Schedule Of Events
>
> SOE
>
> Society of Operations Engineers
>
> SOE
>
> Standards of Excellence
>
> SOE
>
> Secret Operations Executive *(UK)*
>
> SOE
>
> Sisters of Elune *(role-playing)*
>
> SOE
>
> Secret of Evermore *(video game)*
>
> SOE
>
> System Operational Effectiveness *(US DoD)*
>
> SOE
>
> Statement of Expenditure
>
> SOE
>
> Small Open Economy *(market model)*
>
> SOE
>
> Secretary of Energy *(sometimes seen as 'S of E')*
>
> SOE
>
> Small Office Edition
>
> SOE
>
> Server Operating Environment *(computing)*
>
> SOE
>
> Sum of Exponentials *(mathematics)*
>
> SOE
>
> Splicing-by-Overlap Extension
>
> SOE
>
> Special Ops Edition *(OCZ Technology)*
>
> SOE
>
> Sega of Europe
>
> SOE
>
> Socially Owned Enterprise
>
> SOE
>
> Scroll of Escape *(Lineage 2 game)*
>
> SOE
>
> Support of Excavation *(construction)*
>
> SOE
>
> Sales Order Entry
>
> SOE
>
> Sindicat Occitan de l'Educacion *(French education union)*
>
> SOE
>
> Senior Officials Exercise
>
> SOE
>
> Service Order Entry
>
> SOE
>
> Strength of Earth Totem *(gaming, World of Warcraft)*
>
> SOE
>
> Safe Operating Envelope
>
> SOE
>
> Soldiers of Europe *(gaming clan)*
>
> SOE
>
> Standard Office Environment
>
> SOE
>
> Share of Expenditure *(finance)*
>
> SOE
>
> Subwavelength Optical Elements
>
> SOE
>
> Secondary Optical Element *(optics)*
>
> SOE
>
> Status Of Equipment
>
> SOE
>
> Stationary Operating Engineer *(facilities personnel)*
>
> SOE
>
> Software Operating Environment
>
> SOE
>
> Southern Ocean Exploration *(Melbourne, Australia)*
>
> SOE
>
> Small Operating Equipment
>
> SOE
>
> Shades of Elegance
>
> SOE
>
> Sum Of Errors
>
> SOE
>
> Standard Option Equipment
>
> SOE
>
> Submerged Operating Envelope *(submarine design)*
>
> SOE
>
> Short of Exchange
>
> SOE
>
> Synthetic Operational Environment
>
> SOE
>
> Sponsor Owned Equipment *(US Navy)*
>
> SOE
>
> Servodrive Profile over EtherCAT
>
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> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 12:58 PM Sen ectus <senectus at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Not a big or overly experienced user of Linux (haven't touched it in 20
> years) but looking into the crystal ball than may change.
>
> can anyone recommend some good online resources and maybe even suggest
> commercial local resources for this?
>
>
>
> --
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