[plug] TPG group no longer providing email

Sat Aug 5 08:47:19 AWST 2023

I think that Microsoft security goes well beyond "poor security":

https://arstechnica.com/security/2023/08/microsoft-cloud-security-blasted-for-its-culture-of-toxic-obfuscation/

On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 at 16:06, Warren Argus <warren at warbel.net> wrote:

> Hi Onno,
>
> Yes, I only meant that you can pay for google services if you wish and
> that I meant the 'free for personal usage' version of google is just their
> GWS offering without any corporate features.
>
> It's unfair to single out MS for their poor security, the truth is until
> there are standards and transparency around cloud services, it's
> fundamentally impossible to fully trust any cloud provider. Just like how
> its impossible to fully trust propriatary closed source software...
>
> -w
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From*: Onno Benschop <onno at itmaze.com.au
> <Onno%20Benschop%20%3conno at itmaze.com.au%3e>>
> *To*: PLUG mailing list <plug at plug.org.au
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> *Subject*: Re: [plug] TPG group no longer providing email
> *Date*: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 15:38:43 +0800
>
> FYI, there is no free Google Workspace offering for most customers. If you
> are a school, or a registered nonprofit, there are free accounts available.
>
> Source: I've been using this for many years and recently Google made all
> Workspace products subscription only services.
>
> I have been looking for alternatives because "Google", but I've yet to
> discover anything that comes close.
>
> Given Microsoft's most recent data-breach I'd avoid their service until
> such time as they actually publish how they fixed their secure key
> implementation.
>
> --
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> this scra^Hibble
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> On Fri, 4 Aug 2023, 15:11 Warren Argus, <warren at warbel.net> wrote:
>
> I can only assume that ISPs are moving away from offering email for the
> same reasons most businesses no longer provision on-site email servers.
> 1. they're increasingly vulnerable to attack (specifically onsite exchange
> servers) and represent an increasing business risk
> 2. they don't support modern auth (MFA etc)
> 3. they require maintenance and support from staff
>
> ISPs would also have the added burden of integrating their email systems
> into the user backends and providing support to their customers. Again
> increasing their costs and overheads.
>
> My recommendation is to either move to the 'free' google workspace tier
> (optionally you can pay for it if you'd rather not be the product), setup
> your own email server (I personally use mailinabox + nextcloud hosted in
> Digital Ocean's Singapore DC), or consider an MS o365 subscription (which
> comes with a mailbox). With the ability to pretty seamlessly churn ISPs
> these days I wouldn't recommend sticking with iinet or any of the TPG group
> - vote with your feet. I would recommend AussieBB though - they have IPv6
> too, unlike iinet.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Warren.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From*: Byron Hammond <byronester at gmail.com
> <Byron%20Hammond%20%3cbyronester at gmail.com%3e>>
> *To*: William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au
> <William%20Kenworthy%20%3cbillk at iinet.net.au%3e>>
> *Cc*: PLUG <plug at plug.org.au <PLUG%20%3cplug at plug.org.au%3e>>
> *Subject*: Re: [plug] TPG group no longer providing email
> *Date*: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 17:43:22 +0800
>
> I am with Aussie Broadband and they provide an email address.
> Mind you I never use it because I use GMail and Yahoo for junk/spam, but
> it might be an option
> Plus ABB are pretty decent on support in my experience, so something to
> consider
>
> Byron
>
> On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 at 10:24, William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
> I presume there are a lot of other PLUG members who use a TPG group ISP
> like I do.
>
> It looks like iinet (and all TPG companies)  are dropping all email
> services (but apparently not dropping prices) and are force migrating
> people to a commercial company - free for now but ...
>
> The migration so far looks like a rolling disaster from some TPG focused
> forums I read.  Like almost everyone I have a google email address but is
> there a reasonable Australian ISP in Perth that still carries email?
> Telstra and Optus have never been "good" in my opinion.  I also run my home
> phone through them via asterisk and have mobiles with them - I am not sure
> they would consider them core services either. I do not store any email at
> iinet - they provide imap pickup (I run a local mail gateway), a couple of
> email aliases, provide virus and spam protection but that's it.
> Its looking like my best option is to stay with iinet (for now) and
> migrate away from iinet starting with email.
>
> What are others considering?
>
> BillK
>
>
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