[plug] TPG group no longer providing email

[Warren Argus]

Hi Onno,

Yes, I only meant that you can pay for google services if you wish and
that I meant the 'free for personal usage' version of google is just
their GWS offering without any corporate features.

It's unfair to single out MS for their poor security, the truth is
until there are standards and transparency around cloud services, it's
fundamentally impossible to fully trust any cloud provider. Just like
how its impossible to fully trust propriatary closed source software...

-w

-----Original Message-----
From: Onno Benschop <onno at itmaze.com.au>
To: PLUG mailing list <plug at plug.org.au>
Subject: Re: [plug] TPG group no longer providing email
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 15:38:43 +0800

FYI, there is no free Google Workspace offering for most customers. If
you are a school, or a registered nonprofit, there are free accounts
available.

Source: I've been using this for many years and recently Google made
all Workspace products subscription only services.

I have been looking for alternatives because "Google", but I've yet to
discover anything that comes close.

Given Microsoft's most recent data-breach I'd avoid their service until
such time as they actually publish how they fixed their secure key
implementation.

--
finger painting on glass is an inexact art - apologies for any errors
in this scra^Hibble

()/)/)() ..ASCII for Onno..

On Fri, 4 Aug 2023, 15:11 Warren Argus, <warren at warbel.net> wrote:
> I can only assume that ISPs are moving away from offering email for
> the same reasons most businesses no longer provision on-site email
> servers.
> 1. they're increasingly vulnerable to attack (specifically onsite
> exchange servers) and represent an increasing business risk
> 2. they don't support modern auth (MFA etc)
> 3. they require maintenance and support from staff
> 
> ISPs would also have the added burden of integrating their email
> systems into the user backends and providing support to their
> customers. Again increasing their costs and overheads.
> 
> My recommendation is to either move to the 'free' google workspace
> tier (optionally you can pay for it if you'd rather not be the
> product), setup your own email server (I personally use mailinabox +
> nextcloud hosted in Digital Ocean's Singapore DC), or consider an MS
> o365 subscription (which comes with a mailbox). With the ability to
> pretty seamlessly churn ISPs these days I wouldn't recommend sticking
> with iinet or any of the TPG group - vote with your feet. I would
> recommend AussieBB though - they have IPv6 too, unlike iinet.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Warren.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Byron Hammond <byronester at gmail.com>
> To: William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
> Cc: PLUG <plug at plug.org.au>
> Subject: Re: [plug] TPG group no longer providing email
> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 17:43:22 +0800
> 
> I am with Aussie Broadband and they provide an email address.
> Mind you I never use it because I use GMail and Yahoo for junk/spam,
> but it might be an option
> Plus ABB are pretty decent on support in my experience, so something
> to consider
> 
> Byron
> 
> On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 at 10:24, William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
> wrote:
> > I presume there are a lot of other PLUG members who use a TPG group
> > ISP like I do.
> > It looks like iinet (and all TPG companies)  are dropping all email
> > services (but apparently not dropping prices) and are force
> > migrating people to a commercial company - free for now but ...
> > The migration so far looks like a rolling disaster from some TPG
> > focused forums I read.  Like almost everyone I have a google email
> > address but is there a reasonable Australian ISP in Perth that
> > still carries email?  Telstra and Optus have never been "good" in
> > my opinion.  I also run my home phone through them via asterisk and
> > have mobiles with them - I am not sure they would consider them
> > core services either. I do not store any email at iinet - they
> > provide imap pickup (I run a local mail gateway), a couple of email
> > aliases, provide virus and spam protection but that's it.
> > Its looking like my best option is to stay with iinet (for now) and
> > migrate away from iinet starting with email.
> > What are others considering?
> > BillK
> > 
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