[plug] TPG group no longer providing email

[Chris Caston]

Worth considering that Apple iCloud+ offers domain hosting for 99cents a
month?

https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT212514

On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 9:50 AM Robin Perkins <robin.perkins at internode.on.net>
wrote:

> I am in the same boat being on Internode, their mail server seems to be
> designed to support dial up connections only (it really is that slow now
> days). I did have a friend that set up his own email server with his own
> domain, then when he signed up for anything - e.g. boost juice he could
> give them a unique email address to use e.g. boost at mydomain.com that
> redirected to his main account - that way when he got spam form that email
> account - he knew exactly who sold/leaked and could block.
>
> Would be nice if someone offered this as a low maintenance service? Does
> anybody do anything like this?
>
>
> > On 5 Aug 2023, at 9:51 pm, Mailing List <mailing_list at endianness.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 08:47:19 +0800
> > Onno Benschop <onno at itmaze.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >> I think that Microsoft security goes well beyond "poor security":
> >>
> >>
> https://arstechnica.com/security/2023/08/microsoft-cloud-security-blasted-for-its-culture-of-toxic-obfuscation/
> >>
> >>> On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 at 16:06, Warren Argus <warren at warbel.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Onno,
> >>>
> >>> Yes, I only meant that you can pay for google services if you wish and
> >>> that I meant the 'free for personal usage' version of google is just
> their
> >>> GWS offering without any corporate features.
> >>>
> >>> It's unfair to single out MS for their poor security, the truth is
> until
> >>> there are standards and transparency around cloud services, it's
> >>> fundamentally impossible to fully trust any cloud provider. Just like
> how
> >>> its impossible to fully trust propriatary closed source software...
> >>>
> >>> -w
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> *From*: Onno Benschop <onno at itmaze.com.au
> >>> <Onno%20Benschop%20%3conno at itmaze.com.au%3e>>
> >>> *To*: PLUG mailing list <plug at plug.org.au
> >>> <PLUG%20mailing%20list%20%3cplug at plug.org.au%3e>>
> >>> *Subject*: Re: [plug] TPG group no longer providing email
> >>> *Date*: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 15:38:43 +0800
> >>>
> >>> FYI, there is no free Google Workspace offering for most customers. If
> you
> >>> are a school, or a registered nonprofit, there are free accounts
> available.
> >>>
> >>> Source: I've been using this for many years and recently Google made
> all
> >>> Workspace products subscription only services.
> >>>
> >>> I have been looking for alternatives because "Google", but I've yet to
> >>> discover anything that comes close.
> >>>
> >>> Given Microsoft's most recent data-breach I'd avoid their service until
> >>> such time as they actually publish how they fixed their secure key
> >>> implementation.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> finger painting on glass is an inexact art - apologies for any errors
> in
> >>> this scra^Hibble
> >>>
> >>> ()/)/)() ..ASCII for Onno..
> >>>
> >>>> On Fri, 4 Aug 2023, 15:11 Warren Argus, <warren at warbel.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I can only assume that ISPs are moving away from offering email for the
> >>> same reasons most businesses no longer provision on-site email servers.
> >>> 1. they're increasingly vulnerable to attack (specifically onsite
> exchange
> >>> servers) and represent an increasing business risk
> >>> 2. they don't support modern auth (MFA etc)
> >>> 3. they require maintenance and support from staff
> >>>
> >>> ISPs would also have the added burden of integrating their email
> systems
> >>> into the user backends and providing support to their customers. Again
> >>> increasing their costs and overheads.
> >>>
> >>> My recommendation is to either move to the 'free' google workspace tier
> >>> (optionally you can pay for it if you'd rather not be the product),
> setup
> >>> your own email server (I personally use mailinabox + nextcloud hosted
> in
> >>> Digital Ocean's Singapore DC), or consider an MS o365 subscription
> (which
> >>> comes with a mailbox). With the ability to pretty seamlessly churn ISPs
> >>> these days I wouldn't recommend sticking with iinet or any of the TPG
> group
> >>> - vote with your feet. I would recommend AussieBB though - they have
> IPv6
> >>> too, unlike iinet.
> >>>
> >>> Kind regards,
> >>>
> >>> Warren.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> *From*: Byron Hammond <byronester at gmail.com
> >>> <Byron%20Hammond%20%3cbyronester at gmail.com%3e>>
> >>> *To*: William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au
> >>> <William%20Kenworthy%20%3cbillk at iinet.net.au%3e>>
> >>> *Cc*: PLUG <plug at plug.org.au <PLUG%20%3cplug at plug.org.au%3e>>
> >>> *Subject*: Re: [plug] TPG group no longer providing email
> >>> *Date*: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 17:43:22 +0800
> >>>
> >>> I am with Aussie Broadband and they provide an email address.
> >>> Mind you I never use it because I use GMail and Yahoo for junk/spam,
> but
> >>> it might be an option
> >>> Plus ABB are pretty decent on support in my experience, so something to
> >>> consider
> >>>
> >>> Byron
> >>>
> >>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 at 10:24, William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I presume there are a lot of other PLUG members who use a TPG group ISP
> >>> like I do.
> >>>
> >>> It looks like iinet (and all TPG companies)  are dropping all email
> >>> services (but apparently not dropping prices) and are force migrating
> >>> people to a commercial company - free for now but ...
> >>>
> >>> The migration so far looks like a rolling disaster from some TPG
> focused
> >>> forums I read.  Like almost everyone I have a google email address but
> is
> >>> there a reasonable Australian ISP in Perth that still carries email?
> >>> Telstra and Optus have never been "good" in my opinion.  I also run my
> home
> >>> phone through them via asterisk and have mobiles with them - I am not
> sure
> >>> they would consider them core services either. I do not store any
> email at
> >>> iinet - they provide imap pickup (I run a local mail gateway), a
> couple of
> >>> email aliases, provide virus and spam protection but that's it.
> >>> Its looking like my best option is to stay with iinet (for now) and
> >>> migrate away from iinet starting with email.
> >>>
> >>> What are others considering?
> >>>
> >>> BillK
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> > Colour me surprised...
> >
> > I've been running my own e-mail server for a while now and I don't seem
> to have hit the distributed blacklist yet.
> >
> > It's quite a pain to get a domain and setup qmail or postfix, with SPF,
> DKIM and rDNS, but once you've done so, you can have nice things.
> > _______________________________________________
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> > PLUG Membership: http://www.plug.org.au/membership
>
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