[plug] plug Digest, Vol 263, Issue 11
William Kenworthy
bill at kenworthy.id.au
Sat Sep 19 08:00:44 AWST 2026
Let us know how it goes in Oz when you get it please! When I looked
there were also some available online from 3rd parties as well even
though Jolla themselves doesn't ship to Oz.
Also as well as banking apps, how do these phones OS's work with the
mygov apps and the WA gov boondoggle/spy app? Without a
"properly/approved" connected smart phone life is looking more difficult.
BillK
On 18/9/26 22:08, Georgian C. via plug wrote:
> I'm currently using a Google pixel 8 with Graphene and works decent. I
> do have play services sandboxed. I was unable to get android auto to
> work but i didn't try very hard. Banking apps CBA and bankwest work
> pretty decent.
>
> Also I have a preorder on the new Jolla phone. I'm in batch 3 and
> hopefully I'll be able to pick it up when I go for a holiday to Italy
> soon.
>
>
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> digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Phone recommendations (gavinwc) 2.
> Re: Phone recommendations (James Henstridge) 3. Re: Phone
> recommendations (William Kenworthy) 4. Re: Phone recommendations
> (William Kenworthy) 5. Re: Phone recommendations (Tony Tone) 6.
> Re: Phone recommendations (Kevin Shackleton) 7. Re: Phone
> recommendations (Gregory Orange) 8. Re: Phone recommendations
> (Daniel Di Rado) 9. Re: Phone recommendations (Daniel Di Rado) 10.
> Re: Phone recommendations (Onno Benschop) 11. Re: Phone
> recommendations (Tony Tone)
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> Message: 1 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2026 12:08:02 +0800 From: gavinwc
> <gavin.chester at gmail.com> To: plug <plug at plug.org.au> Subject:
> [plug] Phone recommendations Message-ID:
> <CAFMc0cXX0d0Bv3znpmf432oRMz0PkAKj6mOVm2K41P4X1zbH+w at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I know this is opening a
> can of worms, but looking for recommendations for a replacement
> phone. Why? Read on: I choose NOT to use an android or iPhone
> smart phone and have had a variety of 'feature' phones over the
> years because all I want to use it for is text and calls, with
> occasional hotspot and definitely Bluetooth. My current one is the
> Nokia 800 Tough. Gee, that's radical, I know, and being a high
> school teacher it always gives the teenagers a good laugh! Now,
> today I got a text and email from my carrier that had all the
> hallmarks of a scam because it screamed "your phone is going to be
> blocked!" But, it was legit. Because both major carriers have
> really dropped the ball on emergency calls, from Oct they're now
> going to be completely blocking any phone deemed not capable of
> meeting the new emergency connection regs released in 2024 You
> people all probably know that, but thought I'd spell it out for
> the archives and clarity :-) Something like the Fairphone would be
> great, I guess, but last time I looked it wasn't affordable for
> me. The Nokia runs the independent (?) kaiOS, so I'm looking for
> something non-android and non-ios. Any handset chosen has to voLTE
> compatible, which my handset says it is, but it's been deemed
> 'unfit' anyway :-( Ideas? Thanks. Gavin. -------------- next part
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> Message: 2 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2026 15:30:39 +0800 From: James
> Henstridge <james at jamesh.id.au> To: gavinwc
> <gavin.chester at gmail.com> Cc: plug <plug at plug.org.au> Subject: Re:
> [plug] Phone recommendations Message-ID:
> <CALcaVO=yd-Qu4OM=3=SQK5dh8ecs8J23asMRou7S7Oy_L4XXew at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, 17 Sept 2026 at
> 12:08, gavinwc via plug <plug at plug.org.au> wrote:
>
> I know this is opening a can of worms, but looking for
> recommendations for a replacement phone. Why? Read on: I
> choose NOT to use an android or iPhone smart phone and have
> had a variety of 'feature' phones over the years because all I
> want to use it for is text and calls, with occasional hotspot
> and definitely Bluetooth. My current one is the Nokia 800
> Tough. Gee, that's radical, I know, and being a high school
> teacher it always gives the teenagers a good laugh! Now, today
> I got a text and email from my carrier that had all the
> hallmarks of a scam because it screamed "your phone is going
> to be blocked!" But, it was legit. Because both major carriers
> have really dropped the ball on emergency calls, from Oct
> they're now going to be completely blocking any phone deemed
> not capable of meeting the new emergency connection regs
> released in 2024 You people all probably know that, but
> thought I'd spell it out for the archives and clarity :-)
> Something like the Fairphone would be great, I guess, but last
> time I looked it wasn't affordable for me. The Nokia runs the
> independent (?) kaiOS, so I'm looking for something
> non-android and non-ios. Any handset chosen has to voLTE
> compatible, which my handset says it is, but it's been deemed
> 'unfit' anyway :-( Ideas?
>
> I've got no specific suggestions, since feature phones don't
> really appeal to me. But any phone sold locally today should be
> fine for the emergency call regulations. And if that turns out not
> to be the case, you've got the Australian Consumer Law on your
> side to get a full refund. It might also be worth checking if your
> current phone's manufacturer has an updated firmware that fixes
> the defect. Your phone sends it's firmware version when
> associating with a network, so the block list can target phones
> with old firmware while allowing phones with fixed firmware to
> connect. If that's the case for your phone, then you might not
> need a replacement. And this really is a case of your phone being
> defective rather than the networks: many of the phones being
> blocked can do regular calls over VoLTE just fine, but either try
> to do emergency calls over 3G or won't correctly fail over to
> other LTE networks if their home network is unreachable. This is
> the kind of thing you can't individually test without calling 000,
> which you shouldn't be doing as a test. And if there is a life
> threatening emergency, you really do want this stuff to work. James.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Message: 3 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2026 17:25:48 +0800 From: William
> Kenworthy <bill at kenworthy.id.au> To: plug at plug.org.au Subject: Re:
> [plug] Phone recommendations Message-ID:
> <5415c435-c89f-4139-9114-edd9f88520da at kenworthy.id.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Check out
> the Jolla Phone (https://jolla-devices.com/jolla-jolla/) - looks
> capable.? I was looking at a month ago thinking this could be my
> next one. Currently not available in Australia so you have to
> order it from overseas - there were some posts on their forum from
> Aussies at least one of whom had bought one.? You would have to
> email them about the 000 mess, but I assume because its modern
> that's not an issue. BillK On 17/9/26 15:30, James Henstridge via
> plug wrote:
>
> On Thu, 17 Sept 2026 at 12:08, gavinwc via plug
> <plug at plug.org.au> wrote:
>
> I know this is opening a can of worms, but looking for
> recommendations for a replacement phone. Why? Read on: I
> choose NOT to use an android or iPhone smart phone and
> have had a variety of 'feature' phones over the years
> because all I want to use it for is text and calls, with
> occasional hotspot and definitely Bluetooth. My current
> one is the Nokia 800 Tough. Gee, that's radical, I know,
> and being a high school teacher it always gives the
> teenagers a good laugh! Now, today I got a text and email
> from my carrier that had all the hallmarks of a scam
> because it screamed "your phone is going to be blocked!"
> But, it was legit. Because both major carriers have really
> dropped the ball on emergency calls, from Oct they're now
> going to be completely blocking any phone deemed not
> capable of meeting the new emergency connection regs
> released in 2024 You people all probably know that, but
> thought I'd spell it out for the archives and clarity :-)
> Something like the Fairphone would be great, I guess, but
> last time I looked it wasn't affordable for me. The Nokia
> runs the independent (?) kaiOS, so I'm looking for
> something non-android and non-ios. Any handset chosen has
> to voLTE compatible, which my handset says it is, but it's
> been deemed 'unfit' anyway :-( Ideas?
>
> I've got no specific suggestions, since feature phones don't
> really appeal to me. But any phone sold locally today should
> be fine for the emergency call regulations. And if that turns
> out not to be the case, you've got the Australian Consumer Law
> on your side to get a full refund. It might also be worth
> checking if your current phone's manufacturer has an updated
> firmware that fixes the defect. Your phone sends it's firmware
> version when associating with a network, so the block list can
> target phones with old firmware while allowing phones with
> fixed firmware to connect. If that's the case for your phone,
> then you might not need a replacement. And this really is a
> case of your phone being defective rather than the networks:
> many of the phones being blocked can do regular calls over
> VoLTE just fine, but either try to do emergency calls over 3G
> or won't correctly fail over to other LTE networks if their
> home network is unreachable. This is the kind of thing you
> can't individually test without calling 000, which you
> shouldn't be doing as a test. And if there is a life
> threatening emergency, you really do want this stuff to work.
> James.
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> Message: 4 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2026 17:31:29 +0800 From: William
> Kenworthy <bill at kenworthy.id.au> To: plug at plug.org.au Subject: Re:
> [plug] Phone recommendations Message-ID:
> <3bc681eb-3fab-4c4f-b686-1a09e3919c1d at kenworthy.id.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Sorry,
> thats an old link - use https://commerce.jolla.com/ BillK On
> 17/9/26 17:25, William Kenworthy via plug wrote:
>
> Check out the Jolla Phone
> (https://jolla-devices.com/jolla-jolla/) - looks capable.? I
> was looking at a month ago thinking this could be my next one.
> Currently not available in Australia so you have to order it
> from overseas - there were some posts on their forum from
> Aussies at least one of whom had bought one.? You would have
> to email them about the 000 mess, but I assume because its
> modern that's not an issue. BillK On 17/9/26 15:30, James
> Henstridge via plug wrote:
>
> On Thu, 17 Sept 2026 at 12:08, gavinwc via plug
> <plug at plug.org.au> wrote:
>
> I know this is opening a can of worms, but looking for
> recommendations for a replacement phone. Why? Read on:
> I choose NOT to use an android or iPhone smart phone
> and have had a variety of 'feature' phones over the
> years because all I want to use it for is text and
> calls, with occasional hotspot and definitely
> Bluetooth. My current one is the Nokia 800 Tough. Gee,
> that's radical, I know, and being a high school
> teacher it always gives the teenagers a good laugh!
> Now, today I got a text and email from my carrier that
> had all the hallmarks of a scam because it screamed
> "your phone is going to be blocked!" But, it was
> legit. Because both major carriers have really dropped
> the ball on emergency calls, from Oct they're now
> going to be completely blocking any phone deemed not
> capable of meeting the new emergency connection regs
> released in 2024 You people all probably know that,
> but thought I'd spell it out for the archives and
> clarity :-) Something like the Fairphone would be
> great, I guess, but last time I looked it wasn't
> affordable for me. The Nokia runs the independent (?)
> kaiOS, so I'm looking for something non-android and
> non-ios. Any handset chosen has to voLTE compatible,
> which my handset says it is, but it's been deemed
> 'unfit' anyway :-( Ideas?
>
> I've got no specific suggestions, since feature phones
> don't really appeal to me. But any phone sold locally
> today should be fine for the emergency call regulations.
> And if that turns out not to be the case, you've got the
> Australian Consumer Law on your side to get a full refund.
> It might also be worth checking if your current phone's
> manufacturer has an updated firmware that fixes the
> defect. Your phone sends it's firmware version when
> associating with a network, so the block list can target
> phones with old firmware while allowing phones with fixed
> firmware to connect. If that's the case for your phone,
> then you might not need a replacement. And this really is
> a case of your phone being defective rather than the
> networks: many of the phones being blocked can do regular
> calls over VoLTE just fine, but either try to do emergency
> calls over 3G or won't correctly fail over to other LTE
> networks if their home network is unreachable. This is the
> kind of thing you can't individually test without calling
> 000, which you shouldn't be doing as a test. And if there
> is a life threatening emergency, you really do want this
> stuff to work. James.
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> Message: 5 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2026 16:38:45 +0700 From: Tony Tone
> <sastra.satyam at gmail.com> To: gavinwc <gavin.chester at gmail.com>
> Cc: plug <plug at plug.org.au> Subject: Re: [plug] Phone
> recommendations Message-ID:
> <15782B71-25AA-4FC5-A510-6EDB9017F82E at gmail.com> Content-Type:
> text/plain; charset=utf-8 ?I?m running an older Pixel with
> GrapheneOS and haven?t had any problems. This operating system
> will work in conjunction with the major carriers and the best part
> is you can turn it off when you don?t need it Hope this helps. Tony
>
> On 17 Sep 2026, at 11:08?am, gavinwc via plug
> <plug at plug.org.au> wrote: ? I know this is opening a can of
> worms, but looking for recommendations for a replacement
> phone. Why? Read on: I choose NOT to use an android or iPhone
> smart phone and have had a variety of 'feature' phones over
> the years because all I want to use it for is text and calls,
> with occasional hotspot and definitely Bluetooth. My current
> one is the Nokia 800 Tough. Gee, that's radical, I know, and
> being a high school teacher it always gives the teenagers a
> good laugh! Now, today I got a text and email from my carrier
> that had all the hallmarks of a scam because it screamed "your
> phone is going to be blocked!" But, it was legit. Because both
> major carriers have really dropped the ball on emergency
> calls, from Oct they're now going to be completely blocking
> any phone deemed not capable of meeting the new emergency
> connection regs released in 2024 You people all probably know
> that, but thought I'd spell it out for the archives and
> clarity :-) Something like the Fairphone would be great, I
> guess, but last time I looked it wasn't affordable for me. The
> Nokia runs the independent (?) kaiOS, so I'm looking for
> something non-android and non-ios. Any handset chosen has to
> voLTE compatible, which my handset says it is, but it's been
> deemed 'unfit' anyway :-( Ideas? Thanks. Gavin.
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> Message: 6 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2026 19:43:34 +0800 From: Kevin
> Shackleton <krshackleton at gmail.com> To: bill at kenworthy.id.au Cc:
> PLUG <plug at plug.org.au> Subject: Re: [plug] Phone recommendations
> Message-ID:
> <CADr1vmTG2dm=SxkrqAdTe0iuvP6hnuX5xFA--YVx2ef8g6+G8g at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" But they don't ship
> outside the EU On Thu, 17 Sept 2026, 17:26 William Kenworthy via
> plug, <plug at plug.org.au> wrote:
>
> Check out the Jolla Phone
> (https://jolla-devices.com/jolla-jolla/) - looks capable. I
> was looking at a month ago thinking this could be my next one.
> Currently not available in Australia so you have to order it
> from overseas - there were some posts on their forum from
> Aussies at least one of whom had bought one. You would have to
> email them about the 000 mess, but I assume because its modern
> that's not an issue. BillK On 17/9/26 15:30, James Henstridge
> via plug wrote:
>
> On Thu, 17 Sept 2026 at 12:08, gavinwc via plug
> <plug at plug.org.au>
>
> wrote:
>
> I know this is opening a can of worms, but looking for
> recommendations
>
> for a replacement phone. Why? Read on:
>
> I choose NOT to use an android or iPhone smart phone
> and have had a
>
> variety of 'feature' phones over the years because all I want
> to use it for is text and calls, with occasional hotspot and
> definitely Bluetooth. My current one is the Nokia 800 Tough.
> Gee, that's radical, I know, and being a high school teacher
> it always gives the teenagers a good laugh!
>
> Now, today I got a text and email from my carrier that
> had all the
>
> hallmarks of a scam because it screamed "your phone is going
> to be blocked!" But, it was legit. Because both major carriers
> have really dropped the ball on emergency calls, from Oct
> they're now going to be completely blocking any phone deemed
> not capable of meeting the new emergency connection regs
> released in 2024
>
> You people all probably know that, but thought I'd
> spell it out for the
>
> archives and clarity :-)
>
> Something like the Fairphone would be great, I guess,
> but last time I
>
> looked it wasn't affordable for me. The Nokia runs the
> independent (?) kaiOS, so I'm looking for something
> non-android and non-ios. Any handset chosen has to voLTE
> compatible, which my handset says it is, but it's been deemed
> 'unfit' anyway :-(
>
> Ideas?
>
> I've got no specific suggestions, since feature phones
> don't really appeal to me. But any phone sold locally
> today should be fine for the emergency call regulations.
> And if that turns out not to be the case, you've got the
> Australian Consumer Law on your side to get a full refund.
> It might also be worth checking if your current phone's
> manufacturer has an updated firmware that fixes the
> defect. Your phone sends it's firmware version when
> associating with a network, so the block list can target
> phones with old firmware while allowing phones with fixed
> firmware to connect. If that's the case for your phone,
> then you might not need a replacement. And this really is
> a case of your phone being defective rather than the
> networks: many of the phones being blocked can do regular
> calls over VoLTE just fine, but either try to do emergency
> calls over 3G or won't correctly fail over to other LTE
> networks if their home network is unreachable. This is the
> kind of thing you can't individually test without calling
> 000, which you shouldn't be doing as a test. And if there
> is a life threatening emergency, you really do want this
> stuff to work. James.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Message: 7 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2026 12:49:25 +0000 From: Gregory
> Orange <tech at 14standards.com> To: Tony Tone
> <sastra.satyam at gmail.com> Cc: gavinwc <gavin.chester at gmail.com>,
> plug <plug at plug.org.au> Subject: Re: [plug] Phone recommendations
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 This seems to keep coming
> up as popular with the right crowd. A guy at work was saying today
> that they're about to switch to Amaysim to get a discount on a
> Pixel and experiment with Graphene on it. -- Gregory Orange On
> Thursday, 17 September 2026 at 5:39 PM, Tony Tone via plug
> <plug at plug.org.au> wrote:
>
> I?m running an older Pixel with GrapheneOS and haven?t had any
> problems. This operating system will work in conjunction with
> the major carriers and the best part is you can turn it off
> when you don?t need it Hope this helps. Tony
>
> On 17 Sep 2026, at 11:08?am, gavinwc via plug
> <plug at plug.org.au> wrote: ? I know this is opening a can
> of worms, but looking for recommendations for a
> replacement phone. Why? Read on: I choose NOT to use an
> android or iPhone smart phone and have had a variety of
> 'feature' phones over the years because all I want to use
> it for is text and calls, with occasional hotspot and
> definitely Bluetooth. My current one is the Nokia 800
> Tough. Gee, that's radical, I know, and being a high
> school teacher it always gives the teenagers a good laugh!
> Now, today I got a text and email from my carrier that had
> all the hallmarks of a scam because it screamed "your
> phone is going to be blocked!" But, it was legit. Because
> both major carriers have really dropped the ball on
> emergency calls, from Oct they're now going to be
> completely blocking any phone deemed not capable of
> meeting the new emergency connection regs released in 2024
> You people all probably know that, but thought I'd spell
> it out for the archives and clarity :-) Something like the
> Fairphone would be great, I guess, but last time I looked
> it wasn't affordable for me. The Nokia runs the
> independent (?) kaiOS, so I'm looking for something
> non-android and non-ios. Any handset chosen has to voLTE
> compatible, which my handset says it is, but it's been
> deemed 'unfit' anyway :-( Ideas? Thanks. Gavin.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Message: 8 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2026 13:00:24 +0000 From: Daniel Di
> Rado <daniel.dirado at proton.me> To: Gregory Orange
> <tech at 14standards.com>, Tony Tone <sastra.satyam at gmail.com> Cc:
> plug <plug at plug.org.au> Subject: Re: [plug] Phone recommendations
> Message-ID: <5667dccf-3c45-4c0a-8d91-497ecf669b7b at proton.me>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I'm also using Graphene.
> I have Google Play Services (sandboxed) on it and every app I have
> needed works. Anything that I can't get from fdroid I get from
> Aurora. Android Auto works as well. I can't attest to any banking
> apps because I use cash and physical cards. Don't tell me about
> the McDonalds app not working because I don't put spyware on my
> phone. Regards Daniel Di Rado On 2026-09-17 8:49 PM, Gregory
> Orange via plug wrote:
>
> This seems to keep coming up as popular with the right crowd.
> A guy at work was saying today that they're about to switch to
> Amaysim to get a discount on a Pixel and experiment with
> Graphene on it. -- Gregory Orange On Thursday, 17 September
> 2026 at 5:39 PM, Tony Tone via plug
> [<plug at plug.org.au>](mailto:plug at plug.org.au)
> <mailto:plug at plug.org.au)> wrote:
>
> I?m running an older Pixel with GrapheneOS and haven?t had
> any problems. This operating system will work in
> conjunction with the major carriers and the best part is
> you can turn it off when you don?t need it Hope this
> helps. Tony
>
> On 17 Sep 2026, at 11:08?am, gavinwc via plug
> [<plug at plug.org.au>](mailto:plug at plug.org.au)
> <mailto:plug at plug.org.au)> wrote: ? I know this is
> opening a can of worms, but looking for
> recommendations for a replacement phone. Why? Read on:
> I choose NOT to use an android or iPhone smart phone
> and have had a variety of 'feature' phones over the
> years because all I want to use it for is text and
> calls, with occasional hotspot and definitely
> Bluetooth. My current one is the Nokia 800 Tough. Gee,
> that's radical, I know, and being a high school
> teacher it always gives the teenagers a good laugh!
> Now, today I got a text and email from my carrier that
> had all the hallmarks of a scam because it screamed
> "your phone is going to be blocked!" But, it was
> legit. Because both major carriers have really dropped
> the ball on emergency calls, from Oct they're now
> going to be completely blocking any phone deemed not
> capable of meeting the new emergency connection regs
> released in 2024 You people all probably know that,
> but thought I'd spell it out for the archives and
> clarity :-) Something like the Fairphone would be
> great, I guess, but last time I looked it wasn't
> affordable for me. The Nokia runs the independent (?)
> kaiOS, so I'm looking for something non-android and
> non-ios. Any handset chosen has to voLTE compatible,
> which my handset says it is, but it's been deemed
> 'unfit' anyway :-( Ideas? Thanks. Gavin.
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> Message: 9 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2026 13:02:25 +0000 From: Daniel Di
> Rado <daniel.dirado at proton.me> To: Gregory Orange
> <tech at 14standards.com>, Tony Tone <sastra.satyam at gmail.com> Cc:
> plug <plug at plug.org.au> Subject: Re: [plug] Phone recommendations
> Message-ID: <0efb24ed-7211-4024-bd3a-1dbc61782664 at proton.me>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I should also add that
> this is on a Pixel 9; I got it from JBHifi when the Pixel 10 came
> out and they were selling old stock for around $700. On 2026-09-17
> 9:00 PM, Daniel Di Rado wrote:
>
> I'm also using Graphene. I have Google Play Services
> (sandboxed) on it and every app I have needed works. Anything
> that I can't get from fdroid I get from Aurora. Android Auto
> works as well. I can't attest to any banking apps because I
> use cash and physical cards. Don't tell me about the McDonalds
> app not working because I don't put spyware on my phone.
> Regards Daniel Di Rado On 2026-09-17 8:49 PM, Gregory Orange
> via plug wrote:
>
> This seems to keep coming up as popular with the right
> crowd. A guy at work was saying today that they're about
> to switch to Amaysim to get a discount on a Pixel and
> experiment with Graphene on it. -- Gregory Orange On
> Thursday, 17 September 2026 at 5:39 PM, Tony Tone via plug
> [<plug at plug.org.au>](mailto:plug at plug.org.au)
> <mailto:plug at plug.org.au)> wrote:
>
> I?m running an older Pixel with GrapheneOS and haven?t
> had any problems. This operating system will work in
> conjunction with the major carriers and the best part
> is you can turn it off when you don?t need it Hope
> this helps. Tony
>
> On 17 Sep 2026, at 11:08?am, gavinwc via plug
> [<plug at plug.org.au>](mailto:plug at plug.org.au)
> <mailto:plug at plug.org.au)> wrote: ? I know this is
> opening a can of worms, but looking for
> recommendations for a replacement phone. Why? Read
> on: I choose NOT to use an android or iPhone smart
> phone and have had a variety of 'feature' phones
> over the years because all I want to use it for is
> text and calls, with occasional hotspot and
> definitely Bluetooth. My current one is the Nokia
> 800 Tough. Gee, that's radical, I know, and being
> a high school teacher it always gives the
> teenagers a good laugh! Now, today I got a text
> and email from my carrier that had all the
> hallmarks of a scam because it screamed "your
> phone is going to be blocked!" But, it was legit.
> Because both major carriers have really dropped
> the ball on emergency calls, from Oct they're now
> going to be completely blocking any phone deemed
> not capable of meeting the new emergency
> connection regs released in 2024 You people all
> probably know that, but thought I'd spell it out
> for the archives and clarity :-) Something like
> the Fairphone would be great, I guess, but last
> time I looked it wasn't affordable for me. The
> Nokia runs the independent (?) kaiOS, so I'm
> looking for something non-android and non-ios. Any
> handset chosen has to voLTE compatible, which my
> handset says it is, but it's been deemed 'unfit'
> anyway :-( Ideas? Thanks. Gavin.
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> Message: 10 Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2026 09:19:17 +0800 From: Onno
> Benschop <onno at itmaze.com.au> To: plug <plug at plug.org.au> Subject:
> Re: [plug] Phone recommendations Message-ID:
> <CACybYRX+VA2iwJWEcVEAqnP6EGZdvhDABZochwa=j1Eh_Zd1LA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" $59, everything except
> WiFi.
> https://www.telstra.com.au/mobile-phones/prepaid-mobiles/telstra-t-lite
> -- finger painting on glass is an inexact art - apologies for any
> errors in this scra^Hibble ()/)/)() ..ASCII for Onno.. On Thu, 17
> Sept 2026, 12:08 gavinwc via plug, <plug at plug.org.au> wrote:
>
> I know this is opening a can of worms, but looking for
> recommendations for a replacement phone. Why? Read on: I
> choose NOT to use an android or iPhone smart phone and have
> had a variety of 'feature' phones over the years because all I
> want to use it for is text and calls, with occasional hotspot
> and definitely Bluetooth. My current one is the Nokia 800
> Tough. Gee, that's radical, I know, and being a high school
> teacher it always gives the teenagers a good laugh! Now, today
> I got a text and email from my carrier that had all the
> hallmarks of a scam because it screamed "your phone is going
> to be blocked!" But, it was legit. Because both major carriers
> have really dropped the ball on emergency calls, from Oct
> they're now going to be completely blocking any phone deemed
> not capable of meeting the new emergency connection regs
> released in 2024 You people all probably know that, but
> thought I'd spell it out for the archives and clarity :-)
> Something like the Fairphone would be great, I guess, but last
> time I looked it wasn't affordable for me. The Nokia runs the
> independent (?) kaiOS, so I'm looking for something
> non-android and non-ios. Any handset chosen has to voLTE
> compatible, which my handset says it is, but it's been deemed
> 'unfit' anyway :-( Ideas? Thanks. Gavin.
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