[plug] OT: Perth SPAM

[Bret Busby]

On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Beau Kuiper wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Bret Busby wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Beau Kuiper wrote:
> > > On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Bret Busby wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ah. So we have another qualified lawyer on the mailing list.
> > > >
> > > > You must be, giving legal advice (otherwise, that's an offence, isn't it, and,
> > > > you could be liable for any wrong advice, couldn't you?).
> > > >
> > > > Where does the caller ID come into it? Fax machines are usually programmed
> > > > (likewise with software), to either display, or, not display, the phone line
> > > > number of the sending fax. Therefore, the number can be withheld.
> > > >
> > > > Also, tracing the call, if it is not done when the call is made, may be
> > > > impossible, may it not? No doubt, being the qualified telecom technician that
> > > > you obviously are (giving technical advice on the operations of telecom), you
> > > > can explain how a call is traced, after the connection is terminated.
> > > >
> > > > And, what is the crime?
> > > >
> > > > Are crimes not different to misdemeanors (since you are giving (qualified?)
> > > > legal advice)?
> > > >
> > > >   --
> > > >
> > > > Bret Busby
> > > >
> > > > ......................................
> > > > "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means."
> > > >  - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
> > > >  - Douglas Adams, 1988
> > > > ......................................
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Sometimes this list is like reading slashdot.org. Depressing, agonizing,
> > > the feeling that the world has gone to hell, and that everyone is really
> > > really stupid :-(
> > >
> > > The internet seems to bring out the worst in people, I am glad I don't
> > > have to live on it
> > > Beau Kuiper
> > > kuiperba at cs.curtin.edu.au
> >
> > So, you cannot justify the professional advice that you gave.
> >
> > Good.
> >
> > Now we have that clarified.
> >
> >
> Hi Bret,
> 
> How is it going in Bretworld, where you need to be a lawyer to know what
> is wrong and right. Where anybody can do anything because there was no
> lawyer around to tell them it was wrong. Where telstra doesn't keep any
> records at all, and where it is assumed that you know everything
> 
> Call me when you get into the real world :-P
> Beau Kuiper
> kuiperba at cs.curtin.edu.au

What is wrong and what is right, is usually decided by the courts, and, usually
involves arguments from lawyers.

As an example, in the case of whether sending a fax, in retaliation for the
spam, is wrong or right, involves the possible argument of provocation, as a
consideration.

Now, depending on the court of competent jurisdiction, lets say, for example,
that a court of judge and jury is involved, then, a jury is a wildcard (moreso
than judges). This I know from personal experience, and, the matter involved a
ridiculous argument of provocation, which got a not guilty verdict for the
defendant.

Shakespeare had said that nothing is good or bad, but thinking makes it so,
and, there are many other proverbs on the subject.

However, the advice that you gave, was legal advice, and, was, I believ, in the
circumstances, erroneous.

The real world? I am in it. I have some familiarity with some events in it,
especially legal occurrences.

When I can fault some magistrates, and,  the state attorney general, in law,
and, in what is right, then, I say that I have some understanding of what is
right, and, in the law, in WA.

What do you know of the real world, and, what is right, and, what is wrong, Beau Kuiper?

When the laws of Australia contravene human rights, as defined in the
International Covenant on Civil and Poltical Rights, even though the covenant
was ratified by Australia, and, was "entered into force" in Australia (of
course, you do realise the meaning and effect of both of those terms), yet is
contravened by the federal government, and, the federal government created the
ASIO Computer Crimes ACT, which authorises ASIO to commit computer crimes, and,
then, to deny any involvement, so that innocent people can be maliciously
"framed" by the government; when the federal government implementeed the
Internet Oppression Bill, which outlaws political material the criticises the
government, on the Internet, even emails that criticise the government, and,
when the banks are allowed to encourage hacking into their systems, and,
allowed to assist the culprits to take money from unsuspecting customers
(ANZ Conditions of Use for Internet Banking Pay Anyone facility, in which the
ANZ authorises anyone unauthorised, to help themselves to a customer's money,
and, the culprits are protected by the bank); when the ACCC knowingly assist
contravention of the Trade Pracices Act, and, itself engages in conduct
contravening the Act, and, these things are accepted, Beau Kuiper, how can you
tell me what is right and what is wrong? 

Or, is it what you perceive as right
and wrong, in your little world?

Let me know when you come out into the real world. But, protect yourself,
before you go into the real world. It is wild and lawless, and, for survival,
self-defence is first priority.

 -- 

Bret Busby

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"So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means."
 - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
 - Douglas Adams, 1988 
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