Just to add - am I a victim of Telstra's line pair ???? http://www.katelundy.com.au/may2002.htm#27May2002 Doubt I will ever know. Cheers, Craig. Mandrake Linux 8.2 Kernel version: 2.4.18-8.1mdk Current Linux uptime: 16 days 18 hours 38 minutes. Registered Linux User: 228534