[plug] Fedora Core 5 - Install

[hatari]

Kev wrote:
> Arie Hol wrote:
> 
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>> On 23 Jul 2006 at 12:31, hatari wrote:
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>>> Arie Hol wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have just spent the last 5 hours trying to do a default install of
>>>> Fedora Core 5 - and at this point I am ready to say goodbye to Fedora
>>>> and Linux altogether.
>>>
>>>
>>> =I still dabble, but the pain can be excruciating at times.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have never had so much trouble trying to get Linux installed and
>>>> running - even going back to the old versions of Slackware installed
>>>> from floppy disks.
>>>
>>>
>>> =I agree.  In the last several versions of several distros there are 
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>> lots
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>>> of "flakey" things going on.
>>>
>>>
>>>> 7 attempts to install each one taking a different approach and all 
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>> with
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>>>> the same results.
>>>
>>>
>>> =Arie, I tried 2 attempts myself - from 2 different disks.  I stopped
>>> there.  They failed to install grub on /boot for multi-OS.  (ie no
>>> boot-up)
>>>
>>> So I tried Mepis (for a reason which I wont go into).  After prompting 
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>> I
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>>> turned OFF certain Services for security reasons.  After loading I 
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>> found
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>>> that not one had been adjusted.  So you can't trust a system for 
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>> security
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>>> after that, can you?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Errors ! Errors ! Errors ! and more Errors !
>>>
>>>
>>> Yep.
>>>
>>>
>>> Not much help for your problem, but just letting you know others out 
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>>
>> here
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>>> are still finding (too much?) pain in Linux - as it begins to fracture
>>> into a thousand distros.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Despite my initial whinging and moaning - I ended up with FC5 
>> installed and at least running in a stable fashion. There are several 
>> things that are broken but at least I can do the things that I need to 
>> do.
>>
>> Maybe as time goes by I will get some things fixed - but I can do what 
>> I need to do on Linux.
>>
>> Looks like I will not be getting away from Windows XP in a hurry.
>>
>> It's still the age old question of Linux vs hardware - I am 
>> disappointed that so many things are out of square with Linux despite 
>> the advances being made with most distros - the hardware landscape 
>> seems to change too quickly - and I am not always in a position to 
>> change my hardware just to suit Linux.
>>
>> But I am not giving up on Linux by any means. I agree that Linux with 
>> its many distros is becoming too diversified and agree that the need 
>> to conform to the Linux Standards Base will be the most critical 
>> factor for the survival of Linux - lest that it becomes too 
>> factionalised to remain coherent as a single entity - but the 
>> situation will become more difficult as the "larger" distros such as 
>> Redhat, Novell and Mandriva become more independent with their 
>> progress in development and diversification.
>>
>> Diversity gives choice - but too much diversity causes 
>> factionalisation away from the central cause - ie Instead of the fight 
>> being between Linux vs Microsoft - it seems to increase the tendency 
>> for distro wars - then you add in the differences with the Solaris 
>> systems and the BSD systems as well.
>>
>> Then there is still the age old problem - hardware compatibility and 
>> certain hardware manufacturers NOT accepting that there is/are 
>> alternative ways of setting up computing environments - many of them 
>> will never accept this factor while so many people in the world think 
>> that "Windows" is the only way to go.
>>
>> Maybe the arrival of "Vista" will change peoples minds - considering 
>> that it will need from 11-15 Gb for a basic install - and will require 
>> from 512 - 1024 Mb RAM to run - and also will have rather high 
>> requirements as to graphics capability in order to achieve the "new 
>> visual" affects that come with "Vista". The "Home" versions will come 
>> in three levels of functionality/capability which is determined by the 
>> level of hardware capability in a computer. This will cause a lot of 
>> angst for people who want to upgrade their OS but not their hardware.
>>
>> Imagine the effect of this on commercial enterprise - perhaps this is 
>> the edge that Linux will need to gain a better advantage - except for 
>> that age old problem of Linux vs Hardware.
>>
>> Like I said two (or so) years ago - the more that Linux tries to be 
>> 'like' Windows - the more 'like' Windows it becomes.
>>
>> But why ?
>>  
>> Linux can be so much better than 'Windows', because "IT IS" better 
>> than 'Windows' except for the age old question of Hardware vs Linux.
>>
>> I don't want a flame war on this one, I am all for Linux and 
>> everything it has to offer. But there are some areas where Linux does 
>> not meet my needs and I cannot develop my skills fast enough to 'help' 
>> Linux meet my needs.
>>
>> Regards Arie
> 
> 
> Why not give it one last try?  There are a few of here using Xandros, 
> and it "simply works - right out of the box".  Whilst it /is/ a Windoze 
> users' desktop distro, underneath it's still a regular Debian Linux and 
> can be used as such for the most part.  What I've liked most is that it 
> got me started easilly, and as I've developed my Linux knowledge I've 
> been able to treat it just like any other distro.  You're /not/ locked 
> into their package management system as in Linspire.  I have CDs here if 
> you want to have a look.
> 
> Cheers
> Kev
> 
Interesting, Kev.  After emailing today I loaded Debian (for the first 
time) and it seemed OK for a while.  However, it wouldn't let me mount a 
CD using the menu lnk because a service isn't started.  After hunting 
around for ages (typical in Linux) it is obvious that I can't find any 
(GUI) form used to adjust (ALL) Services.  I do not want to get into the 
cmd line yet.  Can you tell me where (in Debian) to find a Services 
control panel?  P.S. Xandros later maybe.

Arie, yep.

wayne