[plug] Wireless-N router for faster wireless....

William Kenworthy billk at iinet.net.au
Tue Jan 20 13:26:21 WST 2009 

I searched differently and found many hits saying how to do this - some
step by step.  Avoid ad-hoc in the search terms helps.  Originally, I
was looking to see if a dlink usb key and windows box could connect to a
ps3 for internet play and found a guide that was basicly normal ad-hoc
mode without saying so - no tricks at all!  What did surprise me (or
maybe it shouldnt) was all the clueless types reccomending 128bit wep
over wpa and other total crap ideas :)

In this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3

"Sony has also demonstrated the PSP playing back video content from the
PlayStation 3 hard disk across an ad-hoc wireless network. This feature
is referred to as Remote Play located under the browser icon on both the
PlayStation 3 and the PlayStation Portable. Remote play has since
expanded to allow remote access to the PS3 via PSP from any wireless
access point in the world."

BillK

On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 12:56 +0900, Lucas van Staden wrote:
> I am, but I may be wrong (just been scanning some answers, may have 
> missed something important.
> 
> I googled for 'ps3 ad hoc network', and I get a lot of results with 
> people asking how to do it, with the answers - can't
> 
> It is mentioned in a few posts that (under windows exmaples) to 'create 
> a new network' (internet connection sharing?) on the windows machine, 
> and then connect the PS3 to that new created network. But as I can see 
> it, that is just the windows machine acting as an AP.
> 
> Possible this is different between different models of the PS3?
> 
> I figure I can go and have a look at the PS3 connection settings...
> 
> Busy browsing to find a router I like.
> 
>  From your other post, I agree - did not know about
> 
> ddwrt
> 
> But I have been making sure it is compatible with Openwrt
> 
> 
> 
> 
> William Kenworthy wrote:
> > are you sure? - looked at this a couple of days ago and it seems like
> > its doable between a ps3 and laptop according to Mr Google. - waiting
> > for the go ahead to actually try it, but I cant see why not from what I
> > read.
> >
> > BillK
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 11:08 +0900, Lucas van Staden wrote:
> >   
> >> Seems the PS3 cannot do ad-hoc, except with the PSP.
> >>
> >> Thus the idea went to creating my own AP for it to connect to.
> >>
> >> William Kenworthy wrote:
> >>     
> >>> This is probably the way to go then - many client AP's wont do AP mode,
> >>> but it should do adhoc mode (basicly a peer to peer mode) - use the host
> >>> to bridge it onto the desired network.
> >>>
> >>> BillK
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 10:59 +0900, Lucas van Staden wrote:
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>> Ok, this is just another wild idea.
> >>>>
> >>>> Just throwing ideas out there, checking all possibles, before I go spend 
> >>>> money, and find I could have done this without forking out cash.
> >>>>
> >>>> I have some spare pci wireless cards.
> >>>>
> >>>> Can I not add another card to the media server, and setup that card in 
> >>>> the media server to act as a access point, on it's own channel.
> >>>> I can then get the PS3 to connect to this access point, rather than the 
> >>>> actual router, and thus the PS3 and the mediaserver would have their own 
> >>>> seperate
> >>>> channel, thus their own bandwidth between them. In effect same setup as 
> >>>> having another AP on the network.
> >>>>
> >>>> As the media server has access onto the other network, I can then access 
> >>>> it from the other machines still.
> >>>>
> >>>> The next issue (if this is viable) is to get the ps3 to gain access to 
> >>>> the internet thereafter, but I would solve that as the next step.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Lucas
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> William Kenworthy wrote:
> >>>>     
> >>>>         
> >>>>> Yes, you have to separate the bandwidth - if you have two groups of
> >>>>> machines on different channels, you will need to bridge them - I think
> >>>>> upnp needs to be on the same subnet.  2nd cheap access point may be the
> >>>>> way to go?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Also, if you can design it to be a totally isolated link, you might be
> >>>>> able to turn off WPA and gain quite a lot of bandwidth.  I would think
> >>>>> carefully about security and implications for the link ends first though
> >>>>> - I dont know enough about your endpoint and PS3 to say its safe or not.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> BillK
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 10:02 +0900, Lucas van Staden wrote:
> >>>>>   
> >>>>>       
> >>>>>           
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I see.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The netgear router I have is not that advanced.
> >>>>>> No QoS, and is a b/g router. Time for an upgrade me thinks.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Basically (from the other post received) I gotta try and get the PS3 -> 
> >>>>>> MediaServer WAN on it's own channel.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So other machines - channel 1
> >>>>>> PS3/Media Server - channel 6
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> When they are on different channels, that then means they can't 'talk' 
> >>>>>> to each other? Correct?
> >>>>>> So my machines won't be able to access the media server, until I put 
> >>>>>> that back onto channel 1.
> >>>>>> This will be an issue.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -Lucas
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> William Kenworthy wrote:
> >>>>>>     
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>             
> >>>>>>> If you have a g/a router, can you create a virtual AP on the A band for
> >>>>>>> the streams only? - or buy a second AP that does A?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> VLAN's with QOS may be another possibility depending on the capabilitoes
> >>>>>>> of the hardware.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I can stream mythTV at SD over g while my son is playing games without
> >>>>>>> either being affected.  HD only works with the laptop next to the AP
> >>>>>>> (lack of bandwidth).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In reality, separating the streams by using a second AP or spit as
> >>>>>>> suggested above is going to be the best solution.  Sharing bandwidth can
> >>>>>>> only go so far :(
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> BillK
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 01:40 +0900, Lucas van Staden wrote:
> >>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>       
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>>               
> >>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I stream media using MediaTomb to my PS3,  and when any of the other 
> >>>>>>>> machines are very busy on the network, then the PS3 media stream lags, 
> >>>>>>>> and the video stutters badly.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On my home network, I have my webserver, my media server, my office 
> >>>>>>>> machine, two laptops and of course the PS3.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I am wondering about possible ways to improve the speed (or more 
> >>>>>>>> accurately, available bandwidth) between the media server and the PS3, 
> >>>>>>>> when I am busy with a stream.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> First thoughts - Hardware upgrades:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I am considering updating my 'g' router to an 'n' router, and thus also 
> >>>>>>>> updating my network cards to 'n' compatible ones.
> >>>>>>>> I know the PS3 can only do 'g/b', but I figure if I upgrade the rest of 
> >>>>>>>> the network, to 'n', then the PS3 stream will have more bandwidth 
> >>>>>>>> available.
> >>>>>>>> Is my assumption correct here? Chances are that once the other machines 
> >>>>>>>> have more bandwidth available, they will just hog it all again, and I 
> >>>>>>>> will be back to where I started.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Another option would be to go with the 'n' upgrade above, but also get 
> >>>>>>>> an extra router, and connect that direct to the PS3 wired network port, 
> >>>>>>>> and thus get the ps3 to get onto the 'n' network.
> >>>>>>>> Again, the other machines could just hog more bandwidth, as there are 
> >>>>>>>> more available.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Second Idea:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Throttle the other machines when I stream to the PS3.
> >>>>>>>> Personally I think the throttling would be the best (and cheapest) 
> >>>>>>>> option, and one that I can actually control.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Any thoughts on this please, on how to improve the PS3/MediaTomb streams?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -Lucas
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
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