[plug] Wireless-N router for faster wireless....

Lucas van Staden lvs at dedmeet.com
Tue Jan 20 15:34:45 WST 2009 

Thanks for the tip.

The mediaserver (and thus the second router) is in another room, and 
thus seperated by a wall, and about 7 meters.

-Lucas

Matt Kemner wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jan 2009, quoth Lucas van Staden:
>
>   
>> I think I will just go out and buy another AP, and solve the issue that
>> way. I can go with a usb adapter, but as I am gonna spend some money, I
>> will just go and get a new AP.
>>
>> Seems, in the end, the simplest solution to seperate the channels.
>>     
>
> Make sure you seperate the APs themselves as well (by at least a few
> metres) or they will interfere with each other even if they are not on
> overlapping channels.
>
> Mind you, you're not running 12km wireless links so it probably won't
> affect you as badly as it has me in the past :)
>
>  - Matt (remembering the WaFreeNet days, of people putting alfoil in
>          between PCI wireless cards to reduce interference between them)
>
>   
>> I am shying away from the Throttling idea, as I would prefer to have my
>> other machines do their thing as per normal.
>>
>> I can just upgrade the current AP to get one with QoS, but as I am going
>> to buy a new AP (one that does not have a modem, so it will be cheaper),
>> I can just as well seperate the channels, as that seems to be the best
>> described way to go with this, to yield the best results.
>>
>> Thank you for the information and assistance, it really helped to decide
>> which way to go with this.
>>
>> -Lucas
>>
>>
>>
>> William Kenworthy wrote:
>>     
>>> This is probably the way to go then - many client AP's wont do AP mode,
>>> but it should do adhoc mode (basicly a peer to peer mode) - use the host
>>> to bridge it onto the desired network.
>>>
>>> BillK
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 10:59 +0900, Lucas van Staden wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Ok, this is just another wild idea.
>>>>
>>>> Just throwing ideas out there, checking all possibles, before I go spend
>>>> money, and find I could have done this without forking out cash.
>>>>
>>>> I have some spare pci wireless cards.
>>>>
>>>> Can I not add another card to the media server, and setup that card in
>>>> the media server to act as a access point, on it's own channel.
>>>> I can then get the PS3 to connect to this access point, rather than the
>>>> actual router, and thus the PS3 and the mediaserver would have their own
>>>> seperate
>>>> channel, thus their own bandwidth between them. In effect same setup as
>>>> having another AP on the network.
>>>>
>>>> As the media server has access onto the other network, I can then access
>>>> it from the other machines still.
>>>>
>>>> The next issue (if this is viable) is to get the ps3 to gain access to
>>>> the internet thereafter, but I would solve that as the next step.
>>>>
>>>> -Lucas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> William Kenworthy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Yes, you have to separate the bandwidth - if you have two groups of
>>>>> machines on different channels, you will need to bridge them - I think
>>>>> upnp needs to be on the same subnet.  2nd cheap access point may be the
>>>>> way to go?
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, if you can design it to be a totally isolated link, you might be
>>>>> able to turn off WPA and gain quite a lot of bandwidth.  I would think
>>>>> carefully about security and implications for the link ends first though
>>>>> - I dont know enough about your endpoint and PS3 to say its safe or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> BillK
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 10:02 +0900, Lucas van Staden wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The netgear router I have is not that advanced.
>>>>>> No QoS, and is a b/g router. Time for an upgrade me thinks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Basically (from the other post received) I gotta try and get the PS3 ->
>>>>>> MediaServer WAN on it's own channel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So other machines - channel 1
>>>>>> PS3/Media Server - channel 6
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When they are on different channels, that then means they can't 'talk'
>>>>>> to each other? Correct?
>>>>>> So my machines won't be able to access the media server, until I put
>>>>>> that back onto channel 1.
>>>>>> This will be an issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Lucas
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> William Kenworthy wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> If you have a g/a router, can you create a virtual AP on the A band for
>>>>>>> the streams only? - or buy a second AP that does A?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> VLAN's with QOS may be another possibility depending on the capabilitoes
>>>>>>> of the hardware.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can stream mythTV at SD over g while my son is playing games without
>>>>>>> either being affected.  HD only works with the laptop next to the AP
>>>>>>> (lack of bandwidth).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In reality, separating the streams by using a second AP or spit as
>>>>>>> suggested above is going to be the best solution.  Sharing bandwidth can
>>>>>>> only go so far :(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BillK
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 01:40 +0900, Lucas van Staden wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I stream media using MediaTomb to my PS3,  and when any of the other
>>>>>>>> machines are very busy on the network, then the PS3 media stream lags,
>>>>>>>> and the video stutters badly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On my home network, I have my webserver, my media server, my office
>>>>>>>> machine, two laptops and of course the PS3.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am wondering about possible ways to improve the speed (or more
>>>>>>>> accurately, available bandwidth) between the media server and the PS3,
>>>>>>>> when I am busy with a stream.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First thoughts - Hardware upgrades:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am considering updating my 'g' router to an 'n' router, and thus also
>>>>>>>> updating my network cards to 'n' compatible ones.
>>>>>>>> I know the PS3 can only do 'g/b', but I figure if I upgrade the rest of
>>>>>>>> the network, to 'n', then the PS3 stream will have more bandwidth
>>>>>>>> available.
>>>>>>>> Is my assumption correct here? Chances are that once the other machines
>>>>>>>> have more bandwidth available, they will just hog it all again, and I
>>>>>>>> will be back to where I started.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Another option would be to go with the 'n' upgrade above, but also get
>>>>>>>> an extra router, and connect that direct to the PS3 wired network port,
>>>>>>>> and thus get the ps3 to get onto the 'n' network.
>>>>>>>> Again, the other machines could just hog more bandwidth, as there are
>>>>>>>> more available.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Second Idea:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Throttle the other machines when I stream to the PS3.
>>>>>>>> Personally I think the throttling would be the best (and cheapest)
>>>>>>>> option, and one that I can actually control.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any thoughts on this please, on how to improve the PS3/MediaTomb streams?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Lucas
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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