[plug] Systemd, good or bad

[Bill Kenworthy]

Systemd caused one of the longest ever flamefests on the gentoo mail
lists! - end result is openrc is still the default init but we have to
put up with odd bits of systemd and its servants scattered through the
system :(  Systemd had a (very) few supporters but its more that its
being forced on people against their better judgement.

The reputation of the systemd devs is very poor due to pulseaudio so
that is a black mark against it being just "accepted" - the battle lines
have already been drawn - it will be interesting to see if redhats data
centre business suffers irreparable damage as the resistance from server
admins is very high against it.

Keep in mind that "YOU", the typical user are just collateral damage -
the target of systemd is the cloud.  Fast boot, use it and and then
throwaway the image when done is the target.  Keeping an image running
reliably for months is not a priority any longer (check out the use of
"chaosmonkey" in the data centre).  When people like gnome (another
bunch of losers :) jumped on board it has twisted the market towards
something that's just not appropriate for most individual users.  I dont
think I can hold out forever, but will do do so until its no longer viable.

Dont like where your distro is going - choose another or build your own
- give up and follow the sheep, you are lost!

>From a happy lxde, moving to lxqt, eudev and openrc user :)
BillK






On 08/09/14 06:13, Hani Jabr wrote:
> It's not a couple of seconds, it's a few minutes when you have multiple applications that take time to start up, but can start in parallel.  That is important on production systems. 
> 
> Systemd seems like a rubbish implementation of something that's long overdue on Linux.  Every unix except AIX has implemented something similar. 
> 
> Hani
> 
> 
> 
>> On 7 Sep 2014, at 23:49, Alexander <alex at spottedmouse.com> wrote:
>>
>> Found some more details:
>>
>> http://www.tecmint.com/systemd-replaces-init-in-linux/
>>
>> I think this article makes a good case against systemd. Why do we need
>> all this extra complexity for a couple of seconds we save during
>> startup. Since when is the startup time a measure for anything. Maybe I
>> am getting too old. Have fond memories of uptime being a measure for
>> things. Reminds me a little of the time when a new version of windows
>> was released, which had a faster startup time as a major feature.
>>
>>
>>> On 03/09/14 14:56, Alexander wrote:
>>> Just ran across : http://boycottsystemd.org/ and thought fellow pluggers
>>> may be interested as well.
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