[plug] Feedback so far

Mon Dec 30 10:31:38 AWST 2024

I'll add a "me too" to IPv6 - back before I retired I turned IPv6 off as 
it misbehaved with numerous applications and never bothered to turn it 
back on - at least a decade ago, so I need a refresher :)

Also I am aware of at least one instance where IPv6 tunnelled out of a 
supposed air-gapped secure network when a cable was inadvertently 
plugged into the wrong spot so methods to cover IPv6 security and a 
discussion around real world performance and issues compared to IPv4 
would be useful.

As for HomeLabs (see https://linuxhandbook.com/homelab/) many of us have 
one so maybe a main presentation and multiple short examples talks?

BillK

On 30/12/24 07:56, Dean Bergin wrote:
> Hello PLUG Committee,
>
> Please advise when there's a call for talks.
>
> Based on the feedback from this thread, I think I might like to do two 
> talks in the new year:
>
>  1. IPv6 for Systems Engineering
>  2. So you want to build a HomeLab?
>
> As someone who's primarily a Network Engineer (and who also has 
> Systems Engineering skills) I have a certain amount of knowledge or 
> hands-on experience in those topics listed above, but I'm also happy 
> to do others that overlap into the networking-space (time permitting 
> of course).
>
>
> Regards,
>
> /Dean Bergin/.
>
>
> On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 at 15:37, Harry McNally <chair at plug.org.au> wrote:
>
>     Hello
>
>     Thanks everyone that offered feedback so far.
>
>     The committee may add to my observations when it meets. For now:
>
>     Greg O said:
>
>     > I'd love to say I will come to the March event, because my 10yo
>     NUC is overpowered for what it does, and when it eventually dies I
>     would like to know what I can practically achieve with a Pi. I
>     also want to run HA, beyond the Docker container I started a year
>     ago and promptly neglected.
>
>     My interest is similarly low powered servers and the Pi has a high
>     profile. If people have heard of Pi, it makes sense to make it an
>     entry point for small projects. PLUG (through Nick's efforts) has
>     access to support from Raspberry Pi Ltd for these events.
>
>     Chris Mc said:
>
>     > I have a Pi running in our place in Perth as a NAS. [..] I
>     modified a Pi case STL file in Blender and 3d printed a little
>     enclosure that houses everything - the powered USB hub, two
>     drives, and the Pi itself. I set up Wireguard (..) and now I can
>     connect to the Pi from anywhere in the world ..
>
>     This would be a great project to show off on the Raspberry Jam
>     evening if you are able to bring it.
>
>     Brad C said:
>
>     > We have 4 that are permanent and a couple that get used
>     wirelessly for things like programming PICs or as wireless serial
>     ports for configuring stuff. [.. interesting applications follow ..]
>
>     These are all interesting applications although I can see it would
>     be hard to bring physical hardware for the backup systems! It
>     would be great to have you at the Raspberry Jam evening to talk
>     about those applications or any that are pocket-able that you can
>     bring along.
>
>     > Mythic Beasts has been doing Pi co-lo for a few years now. I've
>     been meaning to play with one of those.
>
>     My own perspective is taking back the hardware rather than
>     waggling the credit card at a cloud provider. The comparison I'd
>     make is that a ham radio enthusiast isn't going to have the same
>     fun by hiring a sat phone. I'm happy to be warned of obstacles for
>     self hosting and ways around them. Still, part of the session
>     could also demonstrate setting up a Pi at Mythic Beasts.
>
>     Rob P said:
>
>     > I have not found plug to be particularly useful - the esoteric
>     stuff discussed on this list is way above my head. What I would be
>     interested in is information about how to use linux as a
>     productivity tool.
>
>     Thanks Rob. I had someone say years ago that they don't post to
>     the plug list because they were intimidated by the technical
>     discussions. And yet then there was always people asking questions
>     about this or that user application issue they hadn't found a way
>     to solve. Today I see many solutions to issues on-line that can be
>     contradictory or simply wrong. The PLUG list traffic has declined
>     and it could be that it is only technical posts that remain. Jacek
>     (committee) has also noted that he is getting people at Riff /
>     SpaceCubed asking about Linux when they see him using it. This
>     could assist us to re-invigorate the list with fresh questions and
>     solutions.
>
>     I can already see two opportunities for sessions from your list.
>
>     There are graphical tools rather that using sudo apt but I'd argue
>     they still require some work to figure out what packages you need
>     to select for XYZ App. An evening looking at the available package
>     management tools and security upgrades would be one for the
>     committee to discuss and plan.
>
>     Also, graphical file managers; configuring them, documentation,
>     and how to request improvements to shortcomings. We have access to
>     Ubuntu developers in Perth who could offer guidance on how to
>     contact developer lists to request change. I think the committee
>     need to ask (that is, survey) which file managers are of most
>     interest and provide an evening that compares and contrasts features.
>
>     BillK said:
>
>     > Timely - I just unplugged my last Pi (a 3B) a couple of days ago
>     as being too underpowered.
>
>     To be honest, I haven't discussed the PLUG on Pi in any detail
>     with Nick yet but the PLUG on Pi may run services on multiple Pi
>     (or cluster ?). For now the AWS instance is only serving web and
>     mailing list and membership management. If Nick shares my view
>     then I think the idea is to see how much can be achieved using
>     small hardware.
>
>     PLUG used to offer shell services before the co-lo server failed
>     so there are opportunities to see how far the Pi (one or more) can
>     take that.
>
>     I heard second-hand that scribe (hello) had talked on Masterdon
>     about the PLUG Installfests. This got me thinking that the social
>     media exclusion laws may be handing an opportunity to introduce
>     circa-2025 Trents to open source tools and hardware. I'd like to
>     explore if we can arrange sessions for 10 to 16 year olds (and
>     anyone) to set up their own Masterdon on Pi. There are plenty of
>     on-line resources describing how but a face to face would be a
>     great way to assist anyone starting out with a Pi.
>
>     Feedback welcome.
>
>     All the best
>     Harry
>     Chair, Perth Linux User Group
>
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